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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 03:34 AM

[size=5][color=Teal]在推理問題時,我們可以用 '' 如果/ if ''
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在 ''如果'' 之下有''如果'' .....一直至沒有''如果'' .....那就是真正答案~z&?*zFQ1C,{
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但推理問題時,我們用 ''假設'' xA:`Y1Co1|-C5@
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 04:42 AM

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-2 05:29 AM

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等埋我返黎先呀~~

playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 06:56 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 04:42 AM:

如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C)*x.W]-|L/Xi#K

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[color=Red]{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T+  = A4(-) [/color]
{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+, {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},F  =B2(+)

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{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , [color=Blue]代表A3,4,B1,2  有問題 ( B1,2<>A3,4  T+  , 得知  B1<>A4 T+  )[/color]5^Kg5ZZ`i8z&K
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{A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T+  = A4(-) [color=Maroon]抽起了B2 , A3换了位  ,但天坪沒改变 , 代表B2 , A3 非問題波子 (得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) [/color]
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那有問題的還有B1  , A4  ...... 那現在去看看B1  , A4  的歷史.3~6MK1|POT(@|
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[color=Blue]首先由第二步知道 A3,4,B1,2 有問題 ( 亦得知 B1 <> A4  T+  )[/color]
[color=Green]再由第一步資料( 亦可得知 B1 <> A4  T+ )[/color]
最後如何下定論 {A3,[color=Maroon]B1[/color]<>[color=Maroon]A4[/color],N(C)},[color=Maroon]T+[/color]  = [color=Red]  A4(-) [/color]
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所以[color=Blue]B1(+)  [/color]也是有可能的:good::good::good:
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:10 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 06:56:+B(f}8kid

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對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了1Iznz"E&y;[

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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:10 AM:

對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了\ V"?wu'G?5u@6R

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26:
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:haha:......:cry: [/quote]
仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番.cM[\]9X
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:34 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26 AM:S+y8z]@R
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如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C);A2] J2U9z?0I-\m Z
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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},T+  = B2(+)
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 12:20 AM

[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真係會變蠢,30歲果陣用咗37分鐘,S4gP[[IH b
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 01:28 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 00:20:2A._!alQ(`t
[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真... [/quote]
#22最好hiden埋,因為雖然係錯,但原理一樣.

2000 發表於 2007-3-3 04:01 AM

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 02:43 PM

PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先答w.SZ7AVq
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假如啦,我而家面前真係有13粒波子係度,咁在我開始操作前,我知唔知有問題粒係重左定輕左呢?
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我想清楚而家ge情況係邊種:
(1)你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係重左,然後叫我搵出黎
or你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係輕左,然後叫我搵出黎

(2)你俾13粒波子我,話俾我聽,唔知佢輕左定重左,叫我搵出黎8O1_wV&ne&x?

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老實說,如果係開如操作前,我已經知佢係輕左or重左(但唔知邊粒係),我知道係一定可以做到的rH^e@5Fc p RO
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但我見到又有人答到wor,雖然我沒有看他們的答案(所以我唔知係邊種情況,我估佢地答0岩掛...)
所以我覺得係問題出在我身上,但又不能確定

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:12 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 14:43:%u%|j8` sV
PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先... [/quote]
唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還須要諗嗎?[vr@pS9N

sakura兄,如果凡事一開始就存否定態度,
而不嘗試探索一下,會自己局限了自己世界觀.y~+U o}\1?t
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不過原來playplay個答案係好簡單,
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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 03:27 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:12 PM:
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唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還... [/quote]F2@/y'd+qpW.x
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咁係咪即係情況(2)?

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 15:27:

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情況(2),唔佢知輕左定重左.'i)v7L*Gy;T

其實playplay係個問題度已經有好大提示,13粒同12粒大同小異,
可以先諗下12粒點樣solve,
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因為得唔得自己可以證實,所以一路冇睇過答案.{^| U@
亦冇再深入諗個原理,所以亦局限咗自己,Y_&m+G ^jr

而家知咗原理,就發現自己當時武斷地覺得太簡單了,是何其笨實.:D
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原來世界有幾大,在乎心胸有多寛敞:D'j*{PEA

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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 06:09 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:27 PM:
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咁係咪即係情況(2)? [/quote]

:agree::agree::agree:

大優勢 發表於 2007-3-3 06:22 PM

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我絕無講大話

我三十秒已經破了

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所以其實有三種方法 E1h`k&G+hEL"`1n
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 07:06 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 06:22 PM:
對不起
我絕無講大話

我三十秒已... [/quote]

吾係吾信你.......不過你要做條 formula 出黎 , 而條 formula 係要在所有变數之下都『萬試萬靈』,咁個答案先叫『完滿』
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比心機喇兄弟 :agree::agree:我會等你:good:

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 11:33 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 18:22:
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請問五個對五個之後知道了什麼？:confused::confused::confused:

選那二個對那二個？:confused::confused::confused: Oz[!h9b#t#KP4M!bZ

還有一次機會......剩下六個未知:confused::confused::confused:

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-4 08:16 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 11:33 PM:
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請問五個對五個... [/quote]
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大家用n分鐘先諗到ge野,佢30秒諗到g#st:_L!H
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好啦~今日到我答啦(唔知截左止未呢?:D)#| p,rQba | Gq

講起黎就有趣,我諗到,全憑今朝的夢(不然可能成世都諗唔到 haha)0fm*RX/^ J Jix
在夢中,在我喜歡的女仔生日哥時,我送左兩樣野俾佢<===這是真的^^[color=White](佢琴日生日ga!!)[/color]
(我送咩俾佢?唔話你知,等你心思思 XD)
到我生日哥時,個女仔送左一隻介戒指俾我...<===這是不可能的><SgjG#Zy
(不知大家看懂了有甚麼提示沒有? XD)

之後在今朝起身,就靈機一觸諗到點做 |zE7xy.IfE
希望我無做錯啦 haha^^

這次實在太失敗,想了兩天才完工,唉~傷心...
我將我個答案delete,因為我唔想俾人睇到
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