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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 03:34 AM

[size=5][color=Teal]在推理問題時,我們可以用 '' 如果/ if '' A&z|rwGV0qj

在 ''如果'' 之下有''如果'' .....一直至沒有''如果'' .....那就是真正答案
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但推理問題時,我們用 ''假設''

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 04:42 AM

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-2 05:29 AM

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今晚又要同個索女慶祝生日><(好痛苦yo hoho~)
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等埋我返黎先呀~~

playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 06:56 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 04:42 AM:
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如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C)
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{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , [color=Blue]代表A3,4,B1,2  有問題 ( B1,2<>A3,4  T+  , 得知  B1<>A4 T+  )[/color]4l(~]fg}u
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{A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T+  = A4(-) [color=Maroon]抽起了B2 , A3换了位  ,但天坪沒改变 , 代表B2 , A3 非問題波子 (得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) [/color] &?q/VkcvUd
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那有問題的還有B1  , A4  ...... 那現在去看看B1  , A4  的歷史."GX un9K!~-t"^
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[color=Blue]首先由第二步知道 A3,4,B1,2 有問題 ( 亦得知 B1 <> A4  T+  )[/color]
[color=Green]再由第一步資料( 亦可得知 B1 <> A4  T+ )[/color] iW;`eAY7E
最後如何下定論 {A3,[color=Maroon]B1[/color]<>[color=Maroon]A4[/color],N(C)},[color=Maroon]T+[/color]  = [color=Red]  A4(-) [/color]
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如果不是[color=Red]A4(-)[/color], 而一直是[color=Blue]B1(+) [/color]
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第二步( 亦可得知 [color=Maroon]B1[/color] <> [color=Maroon]A4  T+[/color] ).....成立2cHBEBW*zz;S/c%k
第三步(得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) ......成立
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所以[color=Blue]B1(+)  [/color]也是有可能的:good::good::good:
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:10 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 06:56:];\wK#zr

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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T... [/quote])y VR$E"eMRdW-R
對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:10 AM:pRS}zl6F

對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了

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:haha:......:cry:

guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26:
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:haha:......:cry: [/quote]*^'wku,_5v,?[E
仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番.
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:34 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26 AM:8mF-Uk6dz
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仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番.*hx%B7r"lK
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如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C);flP{aD[,CS
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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},T+  = B2(+) k&t9H T:b[E
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 12:20 AM

[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真係會變蠢,30歲果陣用咗37分鐘,;|W;N,Aa/u
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 01:28 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 00:20:
[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真... [/quote]
#22最好hiden埋,因為雖然係錯,但原理一樣.

2000 發表於 2007-3-3 04:01 AM

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 02:43 PM

PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先答,I7TI,vFMU8t}
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假如啦,我而家面前真係有13粒波子係度,咁在我開始操作前,我知唔知有問題粒係重左定輕左呢?:w D}`BX,x9e B"e

我想清楚而家ge情況係邊種:eGnM#q"IO'h
(1)你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係重左,然後叫我搵出黎xO~$D`&KGv
or你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係輕左,然後叫我搵出黎*[xcJ-kt3M;W'j

(2)你俾13粒波子我,話俾我聽,唔知佢輕左定重左,叫我搵出黎+pW byB
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老實說,如果係開如操作前,我已經知佢係輕左or重左(但唔知邊粒係),我知道係一定可以做到的
如果要透過3次操作,要在13粒波子中搵出一粒未知重左定輕左ge波子,我會說是不可能的
但我見到又有人答到wor,雖然我沒有看他們的答案(所以我唔知係邊種情況,我估佢地答0岩掛...):N!R\ C/G)sLc
所以我覺得係問題出在我身上,但又不能確定

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:12 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 14:43:
PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先... [/quote]
唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還須要諗嗎?z |*|3c9h/Z1Ipt+}
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sakura兄,如果凡事一開始就存否定態度,Uf {{F4O.Y
而不嘗試探索一下,會自己局限了自己世界觀.

試一試再想想才去否定還未遲.V"BOW%nn4@|a*T"a+O*m
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不過原來playplay個答案係好簡單, w$w&e9Z|u
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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 03:27 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:12 PM:

唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還... [/quote]

咁係咪即係情況(2)?

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 15:27:!^qSiLO!b,M)x
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咁係咪即係情況(2)? [/quote]
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情況(2),唔佢知輕左定重左.

其實playplay係個問題度已經有好大提示,13粒同12粒大同小異,5P*\M Z-s}7NL+j
可以先諗下12粒點樣solve,
我好耐以前諗過12粒,當時我用我自己嘅方法solve到,
因為得唔得自己可以證實,所以一路冇睇過答案.
亦冇再深入諗個原理,所以亦局限咗自己,
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而家知咗原理,就發現自己當時武斷地覺得太簡單了,是何其笨實.:D
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原來世界有幾大,在乎心胸有多寛敞:D

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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 06:09 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:27 PM:4?wqk$Gu
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咁係咪即係情況(2)? [/quote]

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大優勢 發表於 2007-3-3 06:22 PM

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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 07:06 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 06:22 PM:
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我三十秒已... [/quote]2XJu+t4[u

吾係吾信你.......不過你要做條 formula 出黎 , 而條 formula 係要在所有变數之下都『萬試萬靈』,咁個答案先叫『完滿』
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比心機喇兄弟 :agree::agree:我會等你:good:

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 11:33 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 18:22:
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我絕無講大話

我三十秒已... [/quote]
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勁！！:good:

請問五個對五個之後知道了什麼？:confused::confused::confused:
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選那二個對那二個？:confused::confused::confused:

還有一次機會......剩下六個未知:confused::confused::confused:

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-4 08:16 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 11:33 PM:
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請問五個對五個... [/quote]
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希望我無做錯啦 haha^^

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