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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力%z#~][h+AD
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙kW@-R8T3bM,y3W
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*E#lOH5l"XmK$p{P 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是2}!yEcq,cUF
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?&Xb$i@-X2|.t jd1N]
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^ c5_ e J 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
O xtCJo 你覺得邊樣重要?
5euoIfQWH 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
:zW&avmK4h 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?2a J9e*LI
有無成功/失敗既例子?
T9uW/~Lx:h9v;T 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?|3A7TU dYU0sr}0Zs
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|(]GIob/w2t 希望大家俾心機答:D"SwM2Kc.\f,b4e
我諗會幾有分加;)m2k5dV{x
同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
/ud6{)}-Ju 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
/o-cr7s3ZaU5hWS 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
5{k9_2s~!nO@ 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~m NL;~T/T QgvD
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~%@)p&_d(g(E
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~7QVV&s^T\
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
le7E8A1D TB]V 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
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-c(`_3P"D 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙 UMKlO
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
X,YNs7Jt9|6? 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層+Y0x ydX&V
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
[2W)DdV 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]o ab;J'i
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???Nvv,?XEb
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:1s9brYX$H
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???z0VR+i+@k
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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2Nsg)r4vD~ 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得:b*` ~;Tq3D'y
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁#P!U!z!TvPG
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
3Y.B)o#vx~j6]/aUM 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
qF#U#H.dfS%i ? 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高Z)I/`[I$U0_
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
M|4T5Bf6Y(V&O 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平%f#Da.to\A

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:x} Mp]$?S
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
9x0L$e0X1C%WuC%W 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星G9EmwVf.s2wg
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
TKd7F!u!MT 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書R@Mv;|*S1m6H
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層+p7Bq$t/Ywl1Q/l
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:D:@ T!j/YI7g6?
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
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同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
gHI&PnX:X 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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這題目矛盾的地方是:j1~1y6`3XMi kb~\
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
%OX/U+qZ:^an0| 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:u]"n%cS(g!H0})@
這題目矛盾的地方是:
NY`(o!tr6_A 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力+}
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野&gqFev+dE*qt_
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層tBsO2y1z]#`
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], PwPwk'MN-L
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]YZuq
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
$R$G7W*FM{;g] but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
7zxG DZZp_ If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.q V~#v/b z3OjL
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要;F]0xe%Cg~!Oz
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
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$R;aE?/^,E.G&HcA 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:MqM9Qj~Uo
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only ??gf-r v&O!n
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
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but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
OJu~"Gk H 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No @E/WW@ C\
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
b[^s4ck People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
}1}n{7mL5\ People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力\f`(ps*V
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life!P
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努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:5Q:vZyRCF]
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No-`%?)K}Ri#c
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
s?Jt/rcQ 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
KF#XVg4B-Kk8B"A 只要肯 ... [/quote]R4@9c({,_x*Bjo/\

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所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
H XC)c*V'f 正所謂勉強冇避幸福, t.B qP!Zv
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
\1]Xo6c(z6| 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍%T l"{? |tT,h,K
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在Ryf~"t0z
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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予聞之也久。明道中，從先人還家，于舅家見之，十二三矣，令作詩，不能稱前時之聞。6CGr*C^E/in

Ai(W|vQN 又七年，還自揚州，復到舅家，問焉，曰：「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰：仲永之通悟，受之天也。其受之人也，賢于材人遠矣！卒之為眾人，則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也，如此其賢也；不受之人，且為眾人；今夫不受之天，固眾人，又不受之人，得為眾人而已邪？
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;j*~;sOuh 書解:
0IW%U(w+lKO 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永，年幼「指物立詩」，可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習，長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別)，說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理：仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成，成了強烈的對比，先揚後抑，說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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去左邊?
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y"P5M7s)^U 小弟想講既係
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有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否iK_,Kn3e jn

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其實好多時
|Y%J^c8f9r 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
Bfn7M:n:vC 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人/BLv^6^l3L
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:\ j*n1fQ W(P4e0xM7J
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srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:P$Qj3J"r3]T#C ^
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7?"Vu)R6b 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左.. V^(G-~`0h*d
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]%yn-T,fm
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街#N:B\)j5Y+v}F A
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]Fw/Z
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解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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