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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力$[9^?t6j8af^ H
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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h)| Mt `/{!o 大家覺得:4k Z*Z4@s5z z
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
?)h#`$rW~ 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
yAMJ(k A'g t%] 你覺得邊樣重要?-E!c'q$K7[]
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
CKa:r!s2h"c 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
3nT,lHmB 有無成功/失敗既例子?
s+EN:|@;?M$s 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?F9`/B2Xn F&~s
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
!G X'}Z-~*E 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~G C?3~%s{Gb
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
H6TQ)Es8cW 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~S8t-].c*n3UE
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~^ J{h@
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
T p2nw7sPm#Y 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦;{ \ED"^:Nru n
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
zB b,Jt#E5ba 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙'M ^:X.S+D/Q6R f`U
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
g?&upA AI 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層(EXW"AY|@
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
2Q1K:H/V1^F)]q 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
,Pg7`5DMW([0E o 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
$y'QE-xG3b.w 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:#YM7Od7gq

)J)`5[-f0FopfQi7| 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???7b6uE _"Z7Jc {;B8GH
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]Kl3\h^Q l:d%^
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得#k"m[&DV?%RCz
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁"y;h*k2A9xEeS1H
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低W|\#MG9?T
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高&LC \ s0M3\
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高"~Wr0NZ6`7s m
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
/H;d6mh4l vz R 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平-c]P2cwB q2f
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote](x:zz1~6fb afob
咁又係~~
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:8J-|A#}pM
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦L{u#D Py9[
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星/@E jb? ?+x2`G
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙9U&W/m I7uyZ@
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書m&M9n%pn Lo8r
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
d+teI3DQ1T 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:D
vf&L%} }a| 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
e~-tn{k6l+{[ 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
;hk|bA#fX}'[ 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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這題目矛盾的地方是:"]2hK0m Ag
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
"h1O Oo$Mcd 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
;ft7? t7Y/n9X 這題目矛盾的地方是:
'x'DP qX w([-i o-K 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
bo.s*nFD(i%^Ui 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
t$Fc)Qw$g 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
,Z RrF%}nJ 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層1UI~&X.p:m
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實wy.A luH:s

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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P1e(G)J7tut7U e,d 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
!n-d![5pB*a [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]|xo0Kr
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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zx7A\)T"\(zgD_ [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
.Zwh4SNu is [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
9l1nm.k8?&u4P:id0N but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
E X?/qY m2Y If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
*d ] KYL1w em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童?,L A h8n0I:{e
睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地#v-z{!X.Q5n|
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
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P c0?aq/bn'D j 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55: ["W_)w/?M
聰明重要
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS onlyf$bP1Z7{x7L
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.!NQ1SH#o r0W"E!w-L w}9}
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
acM6XK!l_ 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
J9m5} ~[x It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
2We8{6X)w[&}]INT People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力fL[9Hq6Q0AU\&|@
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
2m"^bwH/e([ People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
Z4u(H A%kz u @7e/c 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
%yL(E*W%A _2{y 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
Ko,e({I4P 只要肯 ... [/quote]M T}?qIE

6fO'WN0len I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
:nw;f_'M]%S0j0o 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
B,yW5@ap'l,Wl 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
.aZ4OT"Ja({5n%s 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行'MXlb^4?
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,uZ-Dr!k"wA
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次 ws8t ^&k;MuE|
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍-H/I I\'\
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
yd Z a"r*lX'D 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 +A6b'rmf

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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻B,^mIM#Tb D
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現V3|3E*K1`+a
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
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當年聯既沙柏
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之後又點呢?
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小弟想講既係
g8@d^5v&m#F 有天份但係冇好運&t-VoXS;V'lQ
都係死......:C T'vF XZ]
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧q[9Z3mem1X0|
而且
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命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才 KK/H6SlfE:E
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人-I"E0] ]/j];j5rIv
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
2O p*Wg*Nm b 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻~0zO"vx
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]:B!^(k H$a\o
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well, Lee Sharpe?
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:R:w!x;vQ6r|:jI then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....L7c3g m)j M+ND1K,^
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
)EWmYD9M4hG well, Lee Sharpe?)?ol[(\x,I6I&X
He took drugs..J3@1RAj)e%W
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
AjZV*}+L9KG0q \m right?! [/quote]
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#l4]+^&Q7G XV2Qf_ 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
Z#eg*DK6?%q 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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bit QO%UL[E [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..Q/[*g ku|J-C
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]0]:P3N_(~zW1Z
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街9a"zt _ov2f4T0nL
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]j0_s%d-B#m'pz w \x

,Nh9M m:Nf3D [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
*r Q6q;g9E 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:eHPYCN!D*T"y
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