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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
oq|wY/q)jX 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:
:}^Kd,V$gC%Kz~ 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
,V&ySl%TnJ9fR 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?{Y J1sg3H

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q/AX;f*UCt&p 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
QMde@W| t 你覺得邊樣重要?
4c(db)F6W N"}E-KZp"P 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
$| M m!SF+d1PHR2A 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
)u(N+Q2X,K8s(K(t `h 有無成功/失敗既例子?
RD}k9B 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?o f h3S]1\F
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6{0[]0vT0} 同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D \ @+Pl!n FN

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
TE,_3k(og 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
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但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~RQ6s%g:D&J/d
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~ HIju#c'ZO2S6r'R
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=1J-V!`7bH)h D/X)v"e
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
8k4vsC(c,w6a2w*B 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
(KL~0tC 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
,e_9q-g)? 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書Ve;T"hY-O
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層0N#z:i%A1U@&k
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
/P{\A:W2nmnG 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]LI"^1rE;fq9@
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
&\j[-qE[I(d!C{ 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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QsB!q iN9BT 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???Jc"d0Whr\K$Bt^
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
B-{R_O*g&uX s%]gD.]y 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁sv4_L]} [Vd
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
sE*Ui+p5_]+c 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高/]? WUy ~7t @/a
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
u9ID bV)o6m 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的7Y&q`5WD
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平[/M$V[&`7kl8Tp4o
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]:@R(ZO)j&|
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
'ZY5T;^h\-W 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦\(\l[k
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星6G2JYrLP
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
]7B2`]M t#^E Z 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
]8I nnEF+\&[ 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
a `n,pD~ ]k:n 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:D
rY}0EN\W r%TI.} 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
(C6A4R,UD;X 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
s5MUM1h 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..1Ba8@;p I6|t f

}9a:[|? 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
YE^9F0X~ 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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j|YkW@3Lq 這題目矛盾的地方是:
,Z r~!t-O ZzcL [ ] 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
6wVqA bX wi 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:T!DW}5H/s3Ev o
這題目矛盾的地方是:
7RO ^jg ]$^9W(y 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力!{1DZLOoEUa
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野!J.LOhq
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
m:DobyE qC| 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
G6O#u8i)`+s~ 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實,\8m5g+_y D j

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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"S4B$g8k Sh KLf 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
&q,Z J;jC3f(ULs4h2m4T [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
De:Weic [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], Knz%J;Bt7`;i9`6M;c
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]5UF4[u'h.lX f{L
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.%u a}M;l.H%p,J#D\*]
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
s P8\(D%@ X If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.!u/~7J ^,e i3g:L
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要Nig a#K4v#TAZr'u

(WK Z;V/~r|*QqJ 世界各地個 d 天才兒童9py li)m(i
睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
+T;](`8X7u*_iyqJ1c 聰明重要
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'aa@\3b*f 世界各地個 d 天才兒童:II)p1S)F `;f1MK
... [/quote] r b2rQ;p&jd5Y'`^
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
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but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No6LRT|4^?g
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
apY;P&VTPX X(` It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
!T|!Y/L0} People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力 Ho%SJW(m
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
A.o@'ne8I&TM&^ People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life#ED+A#p7Y~
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
e ~:I'G4m6?L#ef 只要有天份就唔需要努力? Nod{$q:~}5Yq
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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$SC;c \9f f I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:I \ C'[]
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No4K2l%}3h;{3E
只要肯 ... [/quote] D#VqC Lw
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功bzf9q+C1Q
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
^m2p }4^)X,@2?(S@ 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
]_0cTDJ 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次!H+|)M K vR jE)D
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍D#x[4mB}P
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在n1g;zd'{UTk G4jO
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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,zG,Kg`v Q2]-h/Q:Pk 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 4B6`} N r9z
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。 @} jXXs

{J#Asy_@3? 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 ,BpiK"hM/g$HP
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?{-LI*p-loQ!X2l"YE

#gEw1VX\;Y Q 書解:
s v;_)@%d!P{#ai 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻.l#t#S{ T t'WY3y
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現1M z ]U5\,M}
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
IGK4G;HS&v"P 去左邊?
dO}lC"Z 當年聯既沙柏
L4@ v{8Gk;Z}.O 係最佳年輕球員V@,b wzp Hr
之後又點呢?Cr;KSH)Nl

BQ@ ];J/Z$x3p 小弟想講既係D I^"e0DNIi b+f
有天份但係冇好運
IA*fV r2]YAv 都係死......u,q1j is$^ b/TZ*C
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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:LM&V)n#_gn\;s 小弟覺得天份緊要一點
2x#X,Y rhA 至少
E_hm3XA)f 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧4W/Pgc7?{
而且
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A4q-q4NfXi,D 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才l:W0S4ec M0X0S+O3ub
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
%KkI%]{lm"g 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
2o+A3eZ;a#p9LRg 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻 s:S`M~i\ZTV
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]}/V w7k^#J2P-V

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He took drugs..
Qh9E5e;J]6v`8l? then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career...../INt.w/c3O}*^
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM: mw~ ia
well, Lee Sharpe?.i;r%do)|
He took drugs..8PrY&YP6P1x
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....8K@5zK1s9h,G2c:r
right?! [/quote]"K.bGQ+t ^

I&[Ibq+C1sp 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
.BgD3s&n1x 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左.. h2y&iT9c4^
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]_9_KK5W#q

8t%k#f m2`F [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
?1Ov*p e i 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color];N^fx4S?9t8@ _
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…DR:`@u C Ki
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:~ T c7PX$Zn~

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