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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
ki-kV(e4K 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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Pj,p#S}9lI&sfg 大家覺得:8cBb5~^ s
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是{eI y/[ Rf"H
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:Vbl%ZK:C(Nc1N
你覺得邊樣重要? F#H gX2d4r9c
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
&q~VT'jO6X5Mp 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
B&Fp`T(d@p 有無成功/失敗既例子?o`!U'Y ut
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?"vT#]-~0hK/p

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gF#E{g\ 希望大家俾心機答:D
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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
'LTm$S?+m2~ He$~,r 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
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但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
O8D8OEo~ 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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@d+K:W;s n'Q#S 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~w*t1[,@L~nQ*p
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
,n0U3ZoJ0H!A 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦t$U%SAHZ?V+\
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
h.bV|H/jc 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
vhK:C hF 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
yp*Hb_"`Q;? 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層CwSD%N#Yo$US:J
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
c9R|/D]&@&J{ 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]p.r7I-o7h ~
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
+Q,Xk xR/K%V1nB4WG 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
[,gC/A4Q m 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
nl&n w9OA2@ ?y 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
$yRsh.t(b2U9J4Ia 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低J/|q]'N'l)E
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高3J3y*s({o iA
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高 RN6O7S d"}d OD"C
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
;H E,vu ~-s? 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平$A@U1t SFs5^*s

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]hM#P/J(C8eL
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
YI)G X VX:J 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
Bi? })E zeY9Zy 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
(KCrC TY7G,T SC 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙5|\ oZs'j&}gG
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
%Y;yvPor;i"Y"LTF'v 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
8cu'D;iz?9?_ 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]g?vf2mE

6f[ A9iL9Y 用運動是很好的例子:D
"vdHg6JP;i9P 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.gcJj1jQg,r-I
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,%v yf"] a^F
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..K(i+}l"a8t4` k9MJm

gSH:E7w$H*XzT 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
$M'vnJP+`2h2kw"zy 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
9f Bn uQ0q8P#G 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
3t,wN VL 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
X d Ew*^l 這題目矛盾的地方是:
`#Bd(Y5{0Hp I 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力+CA!|+AH2]
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]9D%[uD&H5?;U

'cXI F d6a/@ 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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@s/I}.ib 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層YS+j IH1NV
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:\z+{e!NI
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
6jFuU4L but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
tYIE,j9p+n/zwh If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.ts0NQpgB&T
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:0UA_+e(e_8z^_
聰明重要
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... [/quote]
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only%z1]j d*u"w!v8hu
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.9IZ0V5S"_
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
!ajt:hx x~G Z 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
?0oqT |l0?v It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
;F'{{5vH_x4Q7N2}(Qx People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
3b,z]%pS`B W People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力6C6NG K*v
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
x(O3D`RRF@5M 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
XX7js}Lu 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
|N7xRDs0n_ 只要肯 ... [/quote])A/Mu$Ls_
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:$}%s&gZ,xs
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
O3o\w)b#Z7g'TT#D 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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l0u*T~/t4{,C.?"BDS 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功6U+Y$uL3`6d#m _&H
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行q(~V s&}pi
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
jO Dz(l@gxf 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次jy9t6z:V
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍-R\ G0bW:H6y*R
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在H.Fl~'S
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理y"tErI*@a

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ASsM7j$uhG 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
*P(xrsU#?} 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
CW;C,u?,d3J,a!Q*L4S 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
.v8x!qC E-Jy#p 去左邊?8X|:u/Ol1Um9b'I
當年聯既沙柏
D6Y X%J*D7} Om^ 係最佳年輕球員KbW#G/bv4b
之後又點呢?;{bC0Q;x?0r

Z`0~OnG 小弟想講既係
y~d}'~ 有天份但係冇好運
9l9L7gX"UR~j`{ 都係死......
?/@ X)pM5C 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否7A*E~+X#Z5qa1|-ds

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小弟覺得天份緊要一點
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
-F&a5e2}*l-b 而且
/wN-g0Ku+d!G 其實好多時
_-Sc].c8l ^ r 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
VkP;Zr#Ar!`#{{ 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人A~_#T kE&L3M:Lg8@&]r
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
W:Kp`lpp 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
&YZ B7ke o@$L7|D 年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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JcPZ2x+t&n3I well, Lee Sharpe?
~[saT5hF4@ He took drugs..TJu't'g3N
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....UK{ BQ;? DBn
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:t8yFq~
well, Lee Sharpe?)[(Q0gY7j1O;i/XR
He took drugs..
p4I,uS)S,J then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
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2f J8kp%E-QxTm 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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Z:FWTZgG | [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
_ G-r[[ 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]i;T nJ[/C;`+c}

*eaX Dks [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街g }%c)|ci||
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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nhWy%f^d;n [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…4R;peO2\T
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:b^!p/I_ ]*dc(Y
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