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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
4t(K B"f y&k:P,V xH 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙&LkK${qo3r!B
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;_ Bk5c?5r$Xg8{ 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
DoUR-G/DAOW 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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&n.KTMr6t9p_c*_ 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
Ww8rIU ~:[uV 你覺得邊樣重要?xE8`t3bc\
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,siFX'sE(x G
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?^ UoQ3w6J,`OFXx*z
有無成功/失敗既例子?M_3J^Rm:H*w
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?f k9F'y:`)Z qj F0I?5U
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希望大家俾心機答:DJ_i\^(Ja
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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~'CAW P*oP e5V6DE)vR%[
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
N,ax(DstK 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
1iW9X:Z@2Vt+I 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~YoRB N6F'c
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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S'[sWxx 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
*x*ioLi'A 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=:KR F)gP%B6H
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
)at3w8d.D{&D 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
O#qN]4B p 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙fA$[M%k
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
~3XO*g$Lb(R;I"x]6w 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
,O C2\3y+I I 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
7l3Q v6f/L@ U{ 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]yr ^9\(d+Bb
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
FauO a 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???F1T6E"Uq
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]R-xh:]$b7I
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
V%Sv3T PA ]B 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁-R0uX,E v`
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
p`Yc^A 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高 |)oo+@a O
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
8B"~.K%jH!|9o 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的tHO&GFgG#o
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平;`~#C3HABl

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:(};u\S:T%y
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6YQ0^ xA 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
!d?uQ%@2^0Z2D#f$A 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦;P kL+tY3{ [-vb
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
&TRY-R&f8W{E 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
5S2d"I3fc,p2BW*C 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
g~ |jM7i"V 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
M)IF U'} 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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S0x`_PsC;UH!L 用運動是很好的例子:D2D C-H^v&R5C8C
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
1fpn.u r 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,9B-b2p~m9f
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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8Bx6m2`7Kj(sS 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力O&VjN"AH+j
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書.../H:ST VXu
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
!mc8r+t#M.P$o#U7l 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
2^Q g9c _s 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
0yT0l|[ } 這題目矛盾的地方是:
`(g_-?@ `^L5` 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力*lYk*{&h|7?L2Rw
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]K-Gu)fTS u*O Q8^o

5u(Z'w gG 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野.G*a2t4EP `a
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
8Sq6Q2A#B8X 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
t+b/F]3Q7u5Nu 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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q5q$o| l"C^ S 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
i;G,k`9\ sk$Q [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]:r5v~a`:R
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], -C ikM b@z
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.4B G`*Zh] Q
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
p H D)g#fG0g If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
W|2Kia)f:]@ em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
$OT.c]wA%p 一日付出 24 小時去溫
E;Il-r,oOa 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
,zLI&V4X*Y;vM 聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
*L ?E%y%f'v I B7} everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.,ibG \ UP.l*^RgF
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? Norv O~E#S?u
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No3tF0r)[0^}Fir9j
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed` K'G[P0zoI!d
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
P1z&FJ"h)`4k People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力`|C+z"U
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life(iz yF+kHA/`5vO
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:$UcQPq#yP
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
0p)A)a5F]/@c 只要肯 ... [/quote] g#CX}``#B6j)`G
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:"jHl }+p0o
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No_8@9F!K"L9l){%fi'v
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功/F'L(BL,EEj(U"ot
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行!o!p,~6g#V)y2z1HB
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,E"y|8g8O(}
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
)Sp([4U*PpO?l 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
0g3EA6o(G D{:FkIi)p 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在1XE'x|X.G
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理C d1}c|S'm

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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 .\x#KXEaM2V)X
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 x~~.XJ%Ka j*T

4sL0t2P4Wo 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
@8c HQ'R 去左邊?
:M-B7a/C5N 當年聯既沙柏\.FB'Hh S:MQ
係最佳年輕球員
!vXQ(D%h/H\9z 之後又點呢?(h D1s$I`;[+L |1o

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有天份但係冇好運 PV[/CK/U2u(hAC
都係死......
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至少
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而且
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命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
,K}9kX5L#F 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
'\1SBBB x7r 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
{!bW-dFx Qk 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻E,Wa%k7v7jA? M'T
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....L'z2?_c8R
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
3pvu%]0W._y] well, Lee Sharpe?;x$EC)R#J6h{(@g
He took drugs..
%C?1b!W v ]Z/E2{ then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugsyPw#kEd"kL
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]%C$q4R0hU0e,D%T9jL
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
Q8Rv"Zl2C_8b 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
1p!O.[%N/X3V4h4[t 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]hkjxA tK8`Y^
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
"h5{R2K%v%g je 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:!YKh [$@
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