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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
^9|;]I0c-? 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:
H5c7fh*a^@ 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
r#fg?(| 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?7S.n }gh1{QrXqI
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LMUE6s7@ 希望大家討論下, 分享下:2o@7}T] l?&Uq
你覺得邊樣重要?D9i:ti#dD L2x a
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
.z&C_z"B 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
#Q9_ ^4GX}%L 有無成功/失敗既例子?
K+k5| ^kgA8a 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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希望大家俾心機答:D
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%DaGR:m o *大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
6I] F"I Gd 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
,`)K3J@ tz X 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
,l5Q _*F:E{-|l$Y 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
AW{!{7Fs:]!c 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~|0w e+o5vOo5U

{`[ OOCL,u 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
*Mv2cw.I{1D#v 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=%k4k{:h;aH
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
j)pG2o\m;c,J1MJD 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
HbqT D;V;R} 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
:a8C&J!j YBq2` 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書9Xq ?3Oa9{
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層3pu CA5j2Ti`N
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:}K.V?-o6{V3Ch
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
S#m i%FXY&m8x6Kq 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
qChG|.Aj;`/}l 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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gluO$} 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
;Bnf0@'Cpd4T} 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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3|e\*MzFe 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
9ocd0u a#e/M%T 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
e'b k j!?h H 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
'm3KVt&L~:z%mD 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
.GyYz.W/Lf 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高]Y XS$~/w
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的#Dr9RU$Nycg2U
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平a {c;[;?z1Lwh Z
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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l;J N3T7|!_eD 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
C:G+F6c9D 咁又係~~
[@:I PN,E 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
^3V!q@d)c%\'u 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
g6[M-g\E)~:? 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
.szX7yX 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
ar-`0}4~0U 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
!R:_;J[7S W ao H 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
%WF#M(p]3S?*Zg 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]#f txf Y,M
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用運動是很好的例子:D3_,Z#@e9[:eN9{C'X
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
I.e#Kr`^K 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊, I,T g8VXAQ9{N
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...8C%r5N+Fp*xZBf
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
3A!HGh-So`n$Z 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力O&I is X
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
E @#i"H u 這題目矛盾的地方是:
0A:]"\#uUv 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
(pt([2S'y+ifW%q 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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%S(nGF,juQ S 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
?`9M2QQ&zj 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:!Mh4x7CU

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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]"T M,^YP[o-a
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
1JCKw[4j8Y but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
%r1AjO'oH/X!c,|q1e If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
my:h@F1c2^z G![ em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
3Dj)k)I:J,V"T@2q 聰明重要
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;X8B?/v4Q4xu_4@M5g Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only F'o1_b\~L8R)m
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
}$[CqQ*I t but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No%BZ_#]Q0S X%y)H
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
e TT'X X? f*E It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed2i ?,_qs r
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力a|s%l4U
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力;Ot lQh
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
0q0\_-R~7t h 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
}K9}/p@ F}1ig%C 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
Z^#yd%a 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:|E1\&i#UR8cX)\
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
#?wZ{YZ:D 只要肯 ... [/quote]7s0v.Ryo~Vym#^
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功ivy4K E.g3El
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
^Dd3e,DP5S{TR 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
#t#I+Z EQ V4n#NZ 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
v~E6o(GsR 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
I7M*k+l^"M7R-G%J(qb 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
fF'NIAG ax 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。!uX o/~(G^2D0Yx9Q
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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D8uRXD9b1UkH 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

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年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現A.C&g[H5}Z
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱xKlKL"]Id
去左邊?#a*lG:wDFs
當年聯既沙柏
n3Z_c8j|r:S;~0g$V 係最佳年輕球員
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有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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].b'|?vC9] 小弟覺得天份緊要一點
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%y"F0@ b*b+M%l 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧 w'T7n+D(FJ
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其實好多時
%AQ#{^hGlq:D7H 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
E i3v@(Z6mQ+^ 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
p vK ]slx/} 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
9h5e/M&_ g^`O ye 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻 \ Uro,C*q8i
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]q%q*hL%o;R_x

+XS3k;i$Yy/I well, Lee Sharpe?x@-]2ik+O-r rA%_
He took drugs..
]h5w7dEYcX c then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
eY.bZ&t-D(f"h xR!] right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
1IjcDYp*E well, Lee Sharpe?
\$B*b5?l8o(}Rf He took drugs..
2a3TMS!VY then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....Dtm;?8Ay4E)V
right?! [/quote]
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tA] ~#R PB 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..YN\Y.x3|U9I
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]+JV?Q5Q*r By
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街b J;?} F
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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6Ms }u(O0^ [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…0cJS+|%hm;tP-z
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:oB;}Yr
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