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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
8D;GU8k,f$Df 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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只要肯努力就唔需要天份?,T/q2B7\6L%s|]`
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
7n"L1t*aO 你覺得邊樣重要?9ldk9^MO
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,,}o,qcP%W k
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
osH%V m n H 有無成功/失敗既例子?7U0RR/qY9X9Y8y
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?aqC#L[9K+l+}H

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
q.P4O9l,Ye_D 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~ L!y!J@&a w,\n"yl
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
9u {LvF8d 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
Eh?\E3N:k 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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VP#}"W2k*l 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
h&A uiF T&h5s.g 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
5giBFT;}1].x 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦,Z Ikm(~~C
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
.xT+mdUuD7M 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
h,Wi}oYCz2KD K 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
GByqx6f.ii S9Y fL:K 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層._e y/`i[(u
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:3liH2F |
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
9^F5F)v7E5X9wJv@x 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
9d&cto ls\ 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:,[4b7F K2gf9Wj

2y3T!M/@ J9z 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
!Z!B ^K3Cs#A+BB!~ 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]0GL0{6\)Bw

TN+kp"I$W 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
4i Uyu PE,Z 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
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只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高'S#\h(@v#Ta"o8Tl
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高m KP0g} `f%[WnNH
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
j"dDk;`(_&v i8j5z 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:/G{|2~zfi
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\ N5j)kj1v/{~O+P 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
%w-|~'{v8a 咁又係~~
1_;}{/r5q 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
:z,u`p+}l SCi Qm 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦-?dQ*|&U$u C A
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個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙 zq.l6v)g:aZM
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書H+aJ.o#hPV.N
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
fYGCQ.p7P 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote][*h v8mNi!K9p

h2J$n'@#DZ 用運動是很好的例子:DG d$Wab+o8D
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
)O:H^WcG,\&av 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
-sB#?dy;u.a#f ? 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..*P Rc:xU

9d!zi1l{v7b 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力)Kj9g%lQg
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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這題目矛盾的地方是: Na#s8S'J lM
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
0c/_9MZr(u!v0\-s/j 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:v8R1t7NBw^Uy
這題目矛盾的地方是:
vlg!WW v&W 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力u)j|L ?
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]3D {7E `fY F+k]

h\;i"edX4pe1H/fy 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
3`&_-i6YM Zz 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層 FUTR6B#p;C
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
b B+ZZ] R\ 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
v"z8~Ag3UJVI%k [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
M&i8Zf)_+mE [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]*J,S? l'D-X%W

.s0}U4aJlm [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], *Pi fBLJd
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color][+B]TOLrl
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
w.|#Z\$\ ]6z,S-[ fM but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
"]%[TH&d B U If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.!R.z_ q QF0q u
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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qFkB2G[6K(o{+b3G 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
rC H)X B4t ](R 聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童2?w:lTi/Gz
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
Y_Q-s&Z3|_2s everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.d @oTk^ d
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
x&gv B%w1jc(P 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
1^}$JTNo It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
5SGc-Q.fx People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
kz6|]0^,O2K ]7U People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
V9M Ia X People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life r`iry
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
e g C2J2U N 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No-x_y q3U*K
只要肯 ... [/quote]DI[$kC^i!ak-`9y

9Us.kTv.v I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:^8_8~(m!j1lN!p
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
7D B]"O)M3d|6^ CP 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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? O~LW@ j 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
f5p{@[ 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
L!W*o+cH:wk8` 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,.r(lj1c%ud
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次u|{0Voo*k `
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍axTf [%a
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在.Ml%@?~
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。9? ["}N?PG
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?I*] ^I N;Pk(G

&uF7\P[.XSD)v1HK 書解:*GN~)AZu/aP
全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻4h/A.a DW [
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
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之後又點呢?
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6K!L1H z$sF#b(N9Y;?+] 小弟想講既係
mM0w5VErAS 有天份但係冇好運lQa2k,` o
都係死......
-|"Czk1u.MFZ 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否~+b#`:f2L3i8x~

%R/p^Vi/p 同埋
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧?%?6BM+Gb@
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其實好多時
'@){q:up0Rj~-d 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
)L_F!E\B/^ 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人HtE{-Z"b+vYC6jXY
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
:p#uWTJ*E@"Q 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻4DYV$f!E~
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
O/Qz o"^ ^"i8}gm right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM: Xn)| [ t PP@@
well, Lee Sharpe?
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3So!yT8p X0I then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career...../PX5ZW1P `Xqt
right?! [/quote]de#`9e1bK3jN-Oy
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你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]9wFS}_.Ja
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
^#L.I3^eaD vf 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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)]i!\(Y3m1p9];@4`+x [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
[(v!f y}x_(b` ^.z 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]-P"P_8T/c/C!B

v;a K(F\ WY8rb ^r [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
x,hR$b4\ UI 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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