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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
F"M[da pz 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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b-E8f|AZi$r 大家覺得:
] g@$b-V~*d 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是'w`nN-S|$AG'k!r1i
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?6f'Z&P#FZ+A2i&@H`2?

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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
R+iKZs#J9b;BQq5J[ 你覺得邊樣重要? hO7\k^:d.d&k |h.i
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
VDa:yN4B$m@ {"d 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?'y Y {"Kh/Si!K$| P
有無成功/失敗既例子?2j6M w{H,R"aP
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何? [ a7?-K'zy

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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:DU+mU1{6OQ#gst
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
4]!zx4heN(l 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
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但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
p.@ _-FS0I 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~R1_0x}&Yj9TSr
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~\c'UiB7^9I$I;h
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
wC:ZJNo/ep'N [8T 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦9i:D~&x,F+A
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星;\ J&s2F{;y
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
b*| r\'O)@2k4[)N 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
"o G-b:Xj+R 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
| d*})G_Pun 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
eZ:t?}9E3WK(hW 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]"pFx,S.a'Id4as?
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???5af}&m#VMX:W;]
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:z8V$A C:s6x R
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩??? k1lcK.d3B2[EP4h rG
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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+Z Zt] f9Ft 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得%{fN$H&\`&y
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁z3I[4G/LA-U$^;q
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
R D0D` kS@ 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高*P%c g-n/y
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
o8@r)~4`L-X9l/O 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的0_ l\qGG!R5J R _
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平 ],LKI5G1x m R+zN }
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]!]!sr"Le#Y`K
咁又係~~
STg!u5E 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
BV!M7k4l/r} ^3W!u 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦s&ONd-Xp(B
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星-kS0^xac
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
d+Gd@;l 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書q.R1Ff,J]:~%P
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層t[B%]*l
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]@9b*V/?F?
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用運動是很好的例子:D
R`z)a{9k5V6]0Z 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.mZ7K kWY;G
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
B!H9`#B1n2t$^ 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..{I/?$E$k1t
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力%Fb G2y1Jz
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...9V}7j9M@Z0|ejP |^

h2zD!a9G H9X&sPY`6G*m 這題目矛盾的地方是:3W~6|+Pp3s-V-cn
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力'z a\R @7k*_,F
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
!J"oc H/` 這題目矛盾的地方是:
rh"Wfq 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力w:u4t+n+U+Ddrb c F
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野's7ZD5m*^
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
}baf)k.VE 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
W3e6e'~I S 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實*_(DP,L3J

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:R'j+?+G`4d

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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
Qa/J'sQ?$K$m(` [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
e'my!cV K/cZ [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]8l%P8O6^T5v
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], nvoQjQTYK ^&}
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important..}xF A9FKQf
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
UE@I8m3rCh If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it. ll:^+H$x1c7\VFyR.s
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地7eta@2O+_A u2W

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一日付出 24 小時去溫
/MA*a aL8} 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
Z?5o7G:s3U 聰明重要lVY_`V P3F
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
E(?$rR)N,zsasU ... [/quote]
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O(b pV;|#@uqr\ everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
i{9H;B!v SD En but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
Z B.n? V V'Nu:F5o6b 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
"\R7Mm3~{+} It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed~GyX+h#[!j
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力@8[5A`owM
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
4~kvY_hZ People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
1j7l6WH'y R3d ] 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
(o5I*ZmDka"U 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No5l&@*gA2\z DZ
只要肯 ... [/quote] @ ~Q IT1k
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
_!CG S;Fh{ n 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
uYV(XP0E 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功!q"N}9]9b"O7?g
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
4lN;p8M:@/V 正所謂勉強冇避幸福, HR Q+nW^
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
o ^ p;z Ib q2O 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
n&_^*BE 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
c%tZ:r-Ip 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理l4Sj&U ]2m `8S.w!J

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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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1zS4R.t5wByW 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?0Iw3}kY n1t

9DGsx }M2S:p} 書解:
#~6s._t K5zTl 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
ciE5}s 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現 \Y$E,NC}u*Q
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
jh*oeRz\Q 去左邊?
|rO2jU4H? 當年聯既沙柏9dM;f3E6C-j+BMa_
係最佳年輕球員9[9d j,J g!}%H4G] X
之後又點呢?HI8w(~)Y1H6f
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有天份但係冇好運
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}!G6@ jFpq 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點6T[(W*B4B1?"C6bv
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
vEPlhf 而且
$~'OQ8w3]&sX'e9b 其實好多時
c{(Au} tU,p$k]3T 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
a^P*O,Q9O&[i,X)k 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
'V7]S0e8v c%T N 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
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年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]?#e[gFS.If8e([

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He took drugs..
KS fN1?*@j%P then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career..... @SvL"f'i4Z+bg
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
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He took drugs..^#q?"e|
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career...../B Ci6lpN
right?! [/quote]
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你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]&W+e1H/A2G;y4H~

2H/AU[Q9IP [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
Q"X)gI R r2C j"Q.@ 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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C-B(i|a(]9fHLq8Z q [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街#Z:y2MEi!@2ex
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]'A-pZH^R2T ^
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
y-? wL'p$n0k5`7e 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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