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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 b6 ^0 R2 ~5 _6 mWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???" v8 N  E" E3 z7 y' ?0 x8 Y
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢; {) q$ R/ c" w! G9 x, C
so銀行可以不斷放款" r# y4 B. [3 ]% v, g; H
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
8 h5 A6 ?" U1 {8 hCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
! T& f9 b4 P$ N" R8 A( r. zmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
& m8 [% |5 I& w1 tmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
4 P* U9 {* ]; a& {; U. cin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.! C. }( c1 Y) s4 a' q
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.! H1 _5 t) U* ^/ D" v. J! r( A. }
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
3 P3 L; q( h- S3 H, G0 Q- Enormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
1 F/ K/ |+ Z) E6 {5 d7 O% zeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. " w  n! b2 p: O. m  W, B) _
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.  l% F$ u4 d+ W) E1 J

! s' }5 W0 v. \9 T6 G3 p0 fim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.  i9 E3 m1 R5 T0 S* \: ]
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.2 Q, k" R$ x% ~8 O3 e: m3 p5 j
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
2 b" M" G2 d  B: O/ bA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
/ Q! N% |0 z8 T# f' [, d$ HThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
+ ]! ^( c- p6 T6 dbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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+ G6 B. i: ?+ j  q8 x& R3 |[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  ?3 x% B% a4 \% Z2 {Refer to last example,! k9 s3 R, G6 `' o+ v5 C
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A   O1 |0 b+ |3 }$ A1 ~8 c5 u
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 7 {4 {; c, p" C4 |& N
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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# w1 Z6 y  E6 C& v2 E- x: WA->B->C->D->E
, W# @3 p# N4 S( i  V) n) @0 jso does it mean if E failed to pay D, + Y3 G' _% {/ K( \
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?0 C7 `' ?2 S+ F2 _

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4 v- C: }! d$ D; x1 F! athe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
4 r% b9 \/ v8 V9 a) cin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
# d) E% n3 ^" u; Rit's the problem of the debt itself.
' `) T- }7 r" x, y, I, Z" pthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 ~. N. F6 m# Z8 X: E小弟一直都唔明...- O& h  W- ]& w$ _# S5 E) y# v" s

3 @5 Z$ n1 a! @: s+ a. x全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?3 G9 ~; V+ ~; a

# L& X" O7 A7 h$ c無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...% G, ^: O7 l+ ]' _" ]+ B5 y# b& ^5 U

) |8 W. q- F& H6 ^% |敬請各師兄解答
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" c& B0 L2 n& I! ]Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  . t" \4 Y( ~) J3 I# N
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic4 ?2 k& l3 B( q; D! M: r+ A
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產6 I% N% l% B1 V$ M
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高/ B0 l! M4 J- n" L( P
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊7 p- @- X, X9 S0 F0 r! T
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
  T$ L; [* K  M0 P" I: v扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,' H3 N5 m- o) V3 ]6 n. d
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
9 ]) s1 W' O" Z+ L! V9 ?) r前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法3 O4 |0 X( B+ f9 u! J+ @- f
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
5 d' w0 G( W# S0 x8 _- ^( ^4 }但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺4 H  l- x/ u" j2 t4 g9 `
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ; _' ~, B" `; G+ X; x) ?
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
7 Z, ?7 a2 I9 h所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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, @/ ]9 ^! ^  {$ Q1 S) |4 i& L8 c你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
# F! [% K# G3 Z! U$ \$ K# M但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
* F* O" M: A$ u淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
* d3 A6 @  v3 o7 N# Y3 w呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
: x% i: d4 H& M. h分分鐘佢地唔使還錢, m: C( V! U7 ]/ C! W, t: P+ O- d

  b/ W- a% l1 m  i' n再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
* f! g7 F% H: E連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票/ P6 X! t% {; T
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產4 c1 G" r- X( }6 J6 q9 r
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" x1 Z. ]& f) [0 k, D! T7 f$ n# F
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費2 t& _# M6 `* X2 w7 T6 i& [
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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