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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* L! P3 \' k; j8 U- v6 q  H
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
3 p/ \1 L; C3 c. j" u8 W, mI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
- n1 _' V( y# Hso銀行可以不斷放款
0 T/ E  l# x' }8 _1 f美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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# p4 u6 V; \: l3 c7 i# K) xmortgage loan 1 V. s& q$ [% a. Q( ]
>conduit
* b8 N5 e  A+ k0 k; q/ a>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
4 c' Q) O; A; R" RCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
8 h( d! G0 ?# J. g1 P0 N. p5 Ymore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
# z. b1 }3 @$ J: D: H: [main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
$ ?0 e: {: [: ~/ \* U& Hin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
7 |+ L8 x$ u( g' lAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency., m) U- [! n8 I6 r7 [: U7 X
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,1 }2 S# w. n5 I0 x2 q8 g
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ) T, A  v& M0 m) F) ~- {/ m8 x
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 2 _7 j+ o- A$ X' d9 N; Y
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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1 `. c$ g, |7 A) e5 h4 o3 w7 Uim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.+ W% n* C  G* x
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
/ Q# [; \' U9 {7 h) D$ n; c; G- PFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,) d( z8 ?3 K; p: e! ~  y% B
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
4 \- D) N6 R5 v* z2 V3 EThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. # N2 n) O' D0 m# g* i# O
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.9 q( Z4 w7 ~1 _% C

1 M! t. _0 y% ]& J& d) Q& h: I' E( z[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* A  R) z6 T7 |Refer to last example,# U, I4 P( `: Q+ y" j
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A " ?: P7 z: s9 y% b% I
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand & ^) r4 I% ^$ }8 d1 y7 {
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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9 N2 @! U3 [# j. Y' sA->B->C->D->E) S& S9 g4 n( b0 I! E" c
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 5 Y7 c9 X8 W# _- j; l& }
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?' x0 i7 J8 b8 S, `4 P' ]  k2 M

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
% p+ \9 w  @5 ^) nin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
) O7 w( Z; Z5 N, Q# }" Bit's the problem of the debt itself.- V" o7 Y0 ~3 p$ g: p! z) Z
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; B* P. [; ^5 r9 D
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?2 J- b* o, h" S, C' W% T& b

/ ]8 q( ]2 c& H( d% R無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答! d" ~6 G- M( D  y: a) H- m

1 A5 O$ v9 @( qThanks
1 W9 _, ~* B) f/ j1 D$ B那些根本係 紙上財富  
( l( n7 [, Y' n各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic5 b$ L" n: V* {4 C3 E

; L7 ]/ f0 L. Y7 ghttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
- F" P* F- b1 L7 P當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高; p% n* s8 U! d9 v% r) O
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
( c$ u# I7 m9 y* V# z& l0 \$ u個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
$ J4 k- j  W3 N% ?( T- @扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,$ |0 L6 N0 g( M2 Y; ?
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
, m  J( u2 `% t7 R前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法. |- _$ k# _& C5 A! P4 r, }
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得2 J1 c  E' Q9 V) K* ^
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺* R" R& F# Y$ {- L" O. V
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 6 G  V- o  l& }1 Z$ g: Y/ F+ s9 r
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%: D- [9 Z; u0 c+ ?( e4 ]
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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0 S- P! w. e# ^你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 3 ~9 \! W7 t& N
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 _: e" W3 j3 t" i% P1 |7 c淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
* l; s, \% _8 O" A呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行  c- w) W# H" E5 I
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' r! ?& H7 Q: N8 J0 _" v. Y唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
/ @9 g* S* v) z! L/ g淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ) s0 A6 k: [0 J$ P: k2 ~* w
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行0 c! R9 K4 @# ~# s( h( Q. I0 i
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
3 X" u) f( n: |  [' l4 `3 L( @: x其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業2 w5 c/ L+ z. H7 Y5 E
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢* [8 t" s: Q- Y+ j) `
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,' l: C/ F* d4 S4 ]
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
# A& ~  G9 p4 n* k一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產9 b( W# {% N& s# i. n( @
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ P# e! {: _9 @/ m: k4 M3 y" }
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係..." N7 e2 u0 S: V9 E& d# G8 |& Z
因為以前未生產, 先消費
9 g! S  u* e, u2 Q/ j" s$ C, R) h而家就要多生產, 少消費
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