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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- [. z! z+ n- n6 v, L( K$ e
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???3 `* c1 w/ x# w4 B: F. w
I was so confused.....
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so銀行可以不斷放款  s! O8 v: {( b# N6 n3 l. j
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界/ \2 e- W* u( J4 Y

/ N. N( z, y1 @8 Q3 omortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)2 g8 G2 H! f+ Y# c
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)- I$ S& ?; p8 ?# v
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.) N/ s- P$ e2 B% c
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,+ @" X" s  y0 J( C
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment." g, g8 e0 R# {/ I$ V8 o
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. \/ n* d' I( C0 M/ p
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.7 z$ i% ?) Y  [6 s) U
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
& t1 U- p* H; [9 z, O0 o) b" _4 xsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,6 S# G/ P9 ~4 W+ L+ k4 W
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 3 |& n' [" e! j
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. : k& v7 o) S1 R  G, }5 k/ C
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.& H) d/ T+ v% @5 h$ R  S: {+ R
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.( _9 x0 Q# S, O6 `
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,8 Y$ i, E8 h$ C
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.3 F) c3 y1 S( t. }8 _" A: Y$ s
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 2 f7 |; ^" B5 Z5 t& e4 k2 h
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.3 O7 m# O4 |$ l9 T* f# R! N9 R
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& \3 K3 f7 G# y" L' C- J
Refer to last example,. z' F$ e; R# [3 e; g8 V
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 4 K4 l( f. Z6 W2 y. R. _+ W3 H
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 0 Z( q1 |7 r& i. S7 G0 \9 ^
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E8 O, O9 L8 i4 s$ H6 D: h4 @2 ]+ ^
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, % ~) q0 ~4 w7 f( V* \0 L0 N
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?5 [0 e8 f/ X* L
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% G6 ~/ B( D" j2 gthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, / P6 O. s8 M! |. x- T8 O
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ! X: {5 s2 o5 }* `
it's the problem of the debt itself.
2 ]* b- s3 l2 q) _6 tthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) ~. M) ?7 b* v, P+ d小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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) k9 W5 h; `/ O- Z敬請各師兄解答
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7 t- R/ I' ~; n) ]* |8 ~! a. ]Thanks
: i/ a1 W. g  p8 v4 y那些根本係 紙上財富  
( q: N$ d1 ^, b: p各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產9 T6 X* l+ K6 M5 Q+ P: r
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高! q, o2 {8 k  V3 E, q# G
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
7 a" r6 M0 |2 a* H4 |, C+ Z( u個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦; t2 d0 K- v& y+ E( q3 `4 t1 Z  K
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,: C7 _6 g+ V6 X  q, m& D$ p
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( F+ d, C2 y# Q2 W3 X
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法7 w- i4 \% Q& l, x+ F
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
" C# a4 h- k$ e4 d但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺$ X3 c: ]# o+ c
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, " Y" V: w/ R# v) O' M' D, r
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
; k! O& {; ^9 A所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁' m6 h' r4 A4 S! P+ n9 Y

7 a3 U& t% I1 Y& T你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
+ @6 _" r3 d1 C9 w( d但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
( M8 i. v. p5 b, n; d& l1 o1 d* J淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, . M& y0 M4 Y" H2 m
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
9 @. i) I! a: h咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 L4 G4 ^# i5 {) |$ n% P唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 T5 F+ `8 N- q; @: p5 B! @. t淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
3 c% n& E: {+ J8 O" D- r8 K. b呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
# ^; y/ O' Q' h9 J3 {咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
( t2 ]* f4 y+ E) P" b( }其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業) R6 M; V( P2 z' W2 i; c
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
' }4 Z  @, O3 r2 a' w連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票. f' Q3 b; i0 J1 w: T6 G
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產4 J, C. u. h: ^/ ^5 T
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: A$ {! U. d3 l% v7 v
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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( P" h) ^6 a, Q, y其實係...+ t, w9 G& K6 H- N
因為以前未生產, 先消費7 V& I# f  W+ s5 [  {4 q
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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