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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! ?: I& f  t0 rWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???' A1 n! o0 N4 b, ^- X
I was so confused.....
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6 r( ~# A2 M/ T# U講到尾都係賺錢% }6 k  p; `7 D& Z9 n
so銀行可以不斷放款$ S& t# B& v  y; h  K7 o
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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8 A# S1 M' ?/ f8 N5 W+ n( q% w5 t0 v2 d: umortgage loan
( K: z, I+ b0 I>conduit- E$ F! Z" T3 p3 j
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities). t) R; C9 q* b* S0 r0 h9 [
>arranger
* _1 M! i& W$ Q+ M! z>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.* N' r2 b6 p" G  z+ k  w' r
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,4 s5 v4 C$ c9 L9 x# ?0 M2 z
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
8 x1 J: N/ i* H; G1 F! X, @main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
( \+ L' V* |8 |8 _8 {in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities." g. ~3 ~4 `' H7 l! y( Q
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
) {( Y7 J% K) s9 O9 v' @9 k; `similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
  @, Q; P' R$ N8 U0 t6 dnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
* G+ g) v3 k8 @9 \6 O2 }& feg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 3 v$ E7 b' c$ [, @* y& j
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.  A- [$ |0 P- v+ i, Y/ u
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
8 ?2 ~! J# m/ s2 l+ R- Pin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
( w! }3 b9 f4 ~  Y& J" Z$ tFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,/ e- q8 W& \3 U+ |0 u
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.  y' g& V" N1 E, [  u; X
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. , A$ N+ @1 w6 f6 D
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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% C4 T, j: C: B* h2 s[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 I$ u$ ~' m' \+ R3 M" N
Refer to last example,
' B2 K  D; A& j: Fthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 3 `6 U# v5 Z& N% w% ?
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
7 O  N  w' ]) Ltherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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/ S4 U& k2 x& I# E5 z! X/ K, x7 k; yA->B->C->D->E6 f7 ?+ e) G% e$ r* f% ?" }# S3 S& N" M
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
( M" [+ b0 w/ E/ Uall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?7 J3 n2 R5 }/ K' M4 ^% @& ^

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
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it's the problem of the debt itself.# W7 R% t. D4 D+ ~
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: [1 L/ }8 n; M
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?3 a6 Z+ g6 I  ^# h- Y, U) ?; S

9 \- @2 u! [/ i& K# ~無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...9 X- m% d- ^3 Y; n
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敬請各師兄解答( p9 L2 o7 c' j9 a6 F
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Thanks
! I" L* [+ B% S那些根本係 紙上財富  
% f; e) U& `8 m2 d7 i/ N9 H1 S% f各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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1 E( B) p; P/ V# ^3 q5 `, Whttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產. _5 @7 E. r5 z, v
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高, U& Z/ T$ B& R& F- @5 m' U' q, t
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
7 F* S: J1 b# G+ C7 s個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
1 F- D6 ^% i1 t5 F) D. Q' o3 {" y扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,5 z6 Q/ N( k& M: G# b! d- p
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
; {# k( Z. n. }/ J+ d3 o前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
6 l$ H% E: L/ K& X4 v同埋個市場既前境要係好先得  {6 u; e4 y7 {8 k
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
5 `. H1 m! q8 S: i( V' F* x例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
: a9 }  r9 Z/ N" n4 b' k咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
/ N% D$ G; ^; |9 k2 {所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁. [0 O, A6 Q3 m5 A& O3 r
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, , X1 H: V6 w- ^: X
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 8 I- k2 J0 }* y/ h8 i
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& U/ N( s8 {. |5 ]) s4 ^呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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. [1 T! e( }& D; c4 u% u7 ?$ F" N7 Z正係咁樣& A. V; [& R$ d  t4 F
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
2 [9 O2 |. O+ ]0 A8 E. b4 R分分鐘佢地唔使還錢7 t1 h6 y. E) O3 A/ X* k
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,. `) A8 u5 k2 d* `3 i
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
8 W3 o& V1 O) L% q+ I一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產3 M  v" u# u! A, u) r( t
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 q* N' x! k0 G5 j/ Y
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...7 C8 z1 [  f$ K% Y3 i6 L1 U( ^
因為以前未生產, 先消費4 ~1 Q. N$ j! R' r. W$ X, N. V
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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