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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 c$ l+ s& \6 }
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???! }9 J8 H. H$ \9 r; z3 C" z
I was so confused.....
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/ h7 W& f5 z/ |% J+ i講到尾都係賺錢
% f4 U! n! E7 c5 r/ t; u& N2 Bso銀行可以不斷放款
4 ^5 u0 S# z5 D5 `" B美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界9 ~, n- j; V. j3 S( B

$ a$ b8 {; R  S6 _0 tmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)7 c, W2 U, Q( b  l3 c
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
' a+ {" V' l$ J% {" m, B, dCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,6 X3 G. _5 F# i1 n! D- F5 A7 C7 c  o
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
; Z3 h* u9 G( \/ H& t7 ^main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
: _0 P0 Z/ N- Tin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
+ ^. D7 R  P" C3 GAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
; ?2 }' q9 i# [0 ^6 _5 Z. n( Bsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
2 ]6 ?* @* @0 w+ r+ ]normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
/ T* U5 t8 f5 U+ m3 V5 teg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
; X1 F+ H4 [* w# }3 N7 J/ _, r6 Pbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.6 Y: K$ f- A5 |) d! b: r3 E$ c7 y
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
' M1 V, A' I2 w& j* m. ?2 PFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,! T2 r# h: D5 K3 i) t
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.; C7 _9 w) B, O
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. + I# t4 q7 E. h2 g+ x# x+ q3 X
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.6 |* `: |* X) ?+ m
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 k. `1 E% X0 c4 C) hRefer to last example,
( p( ?/ `4 n- Z' `) _& lthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
- ?: W# I$ \% @* g) B1 ]* \1 DBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ) x! z7 c+ e4 q
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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( l; v3 M/ r4 E/ m3 G$ g- q' eA->B->C->D->E! i8 K/ y  s$ Q( [: z" F. u+ E  W
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, , W5 h8 }5 T  g, I; d2 |0 i
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?: F3 ?/ M+ B. Y
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, # R$ v( B6 C$ E2 W0 q' D
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
3 }- Z) h1 n! e1 @6 [& N0 |it's the problem of the debt itself.4 Y+ f3 [  q* b1 j: H
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 Q- I$ b6 k) B/ z! a- ~
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?* A! s/ K# @6 ]" w4 {$ `
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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& |* Z3 O: X& E敬請各師兄解答5 r( ]: ~0 g- X8 u3 `: [
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
" y* }- r6 n4 x1 {( S6 ]各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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0 [: S7 l9 ~6 o, J9 V5 f! Chttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
+ q. }1 g0 n1 U) y! e3 C- z/ C當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
+ ?- U# j& Q* m- P/ i0 b& W! r3 u於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊. l- Q9 q; Q- q) V: l+ d
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
" ]2 o' P" o# H4 s3 Y) |扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,+ n' k9 I) p) N# f) G5 E6 I
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺; A; B  P4 ]7 ]8 F7 T) ^* m
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法) s0 ^8 t9 ]) a  c( p
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
+ ~% N1 w* {$ B/ p但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺9 o# O+ i% F: j; N
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, # u# Z& _9 V$ X: V
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%# N$ Q4 I7 h$ x7 {. O3 F8 W( r' Y) H
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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1 w' `* G6 E" H( `9 B你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
  l# t! h" I& r3 p6 F1 {) H0 V" ^+ _但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
  X1 r( e( H- }9 }  q$ R: q5 U& z淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ; }  \3 A4 `9 f. L3 x$ I
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行# g, M  V3 Z4 w( d
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ ~0 E9 d$ ]0 a9 W* y唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 4 o# A  Q/ Q9 E- [; ?+ @( q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' Z& J+ p  f) R2 \
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行( }+ m% H4 \. u% Q3 M
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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8 U0 L& G. J. ^! Z# {正係咁樣3 l( D7 o! }* P
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,2 s  F& b) A& Z3 Q
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票$ C$ Y9 q6 ]9 c. d# O
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產! J& P; ]: b( E4 r8 B$ w  w
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ Z7 t0 E) w7 E9 k  _9 R
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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7 ], E: f5 g/ I& f7 T3 D& q) q9 T其實係...
3 ^% o8 E- K6 \4 `: K因為以前未生產, 先消費2 G& s2 f# s6 p, X- V% q
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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