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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 ^$ i3 Q6 @) e+ F
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???8 X* P/ C# q/ a3 A" Q7 m
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢& s  H6 x$ R* m: S6 i' R3 S
so銀行可以不斷放款3 m7 x" n# u2 o( o0 X' y8 z2 U
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界& k/ F0 T5 s; M
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mortgage loan ) V- k! j/ H$ }* L! p% {+ t- |
>conduit  i5 d) \& q8 W; o& G. W
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)7 o; G, v( n0 t6 E
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.; Z2 P/ I$ j% |  h: e  e; g
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,- t8 D$ {4 [1 `2 B; J6 T0 h: d+ W3 V
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
  o3 h, b" E! g! q9 Y# rmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
* O, v. k" @: `- A/ vin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
: A4 Q' g% e, u$ \" ?Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
; `6 `& ~' Y' I' T3 Asimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
7 J, y6 x3 g5 xnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. # U- z+ Q+ A) y$ g' A
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. # k- S, x# j  j' J
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.1 p/ F7 ]7 n- J% v$ K* ]$ X+ U

) H' _7 D* E2 }7 p6 u* Yim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
6 ~' }$ ?5 v) Din stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.6 v; ^1 `; s5 B3 q! ]0 v: O4 B
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
% x" y% m0 T' O% u9 Y. V  RA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.$ t9 d4 _; E6 I
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ; D) I8 h/ M8 G; c6 l: Q6 f3 U
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; H5 c1 z# v6 E6 u* J8 e) A8 [1 t
Refer to last example,
3 Y# {4 c& ]: z, u. r& W- G6 i4 sthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A   c7 D% S* \" B& s! R5 r" E2 y
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 3 ^; v  p+ B. `3 e, [1 f0 D8 B
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
9 b& j; j0 f/ |! B, y  m9 _so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
7 I5 I$ `  x+ qall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?5 k3 g; K- [% b/ e7 N- y
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 0 d) d/ y  d2 |! y* w/ P
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ) |9 p8 o: L6 e1 ]* l9 z
it's the problem of the debt itself.
, ?0 I+ A/ G1 |the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 m+ q$ p: E7 m/ }. Y' I" @小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...& B( k5 |  d0 o
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敬請各師兄解答9 x6 b' @1 Q* K% L# L$ N6 O1 G

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, ?! C! q4 W4 k7 l) c& M: R那些根本係 紙上財富  - n: Z+ G' j- }* Q7 F3 j. Y
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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$ I' [  V0 z4 Z4 E2 i- {http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產+ |. m( Y6 o. N- O/ z' y5 T
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高5 G( W. F/ Q# q' w! @, J2 e. g
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
/ K9 ?! y  B3 z# B/ M# v' M. l個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
& P3 R) U8 q" W: ~+ V( q+ R9 _扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
/ ^' v  y. X" y4 d. ~計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺: g- w1 r3 T% k( t$ w
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法" U. ]8 c7 g& k. a
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得/ u6 v" G+ F3 s% I
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺3 ^, P" W  s( N8 z/ T- Y
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
2 h3 Q. _: e: b咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%% W: l; i/ U( p6 \4 E) I
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 A2 n" K+ p/ Z, \. {) L2 K但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
- V$ ^# z0 u3 x1 X" d! j淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, - w" z$ Y8 e7 v2 t8 D7 k7 T
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% x+ w7 b2 V+ s
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, . W, C- z7 o! R6 R
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ) [( f' k7 @# y. i1 W( j5 I
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行- g' E* g% q2 C/ o2 ]$ g% ^0 t, p$ N
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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# U( W0 C' k& q, g2 d正係咁樣
: w* E, p7 X  n2 ?! i& T3 `0 ^其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業: O/ t! Q$ j6 ^
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
' G& w. C; S( [' Q  i+ T% x- m0 C連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票8 o; t( U# o7 ]- T
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
7 T+ l$ Q# B/ Z9 p9 H. f: g編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( }# R3 \/ d4 q+ W: {! @咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費  N: r( a: ?0 _- _  [% B
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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