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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' z* }3 K8 I% {
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
( e+ z7 L: ^5 E6 AI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢3 A4 v: [4 |/ }% S/ J; r5 z# ^
so銀行可以不斷放款( N: w# J, j8 p8 i* Q
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界3 R9 W! K" ?7 F" e! {4 c* L' Z
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mortgage loan 8 N, y+ V% b- N* f
>conduit7 H2 {$ R1 r5 r
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)9 A8 |% c6 Y9 Y4 U0 h
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)  v: m$ o( i' E2 T( a! I
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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/ m6 h! F/ Y) |+ Mmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
" R# Y, [8 x3 o7 F4 a: }5 lmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,8 }. ?  x3 g0 C, [4 N5 P
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.* j, d% {) s2 C$ }3 p; `
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
( d9 e6 \6 X- @" N) A5 `0 jsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
# l/ M8 G: t. e% Lnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
- n% e7 K! U7 R2 m7 b% Eeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
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2 Z9 }* |. V0 `4 T1 t4 O& Nim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.1 N) h1 e: j, H; W: Z
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
4 Y' p: K8 \/ l- D2 OFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
) t, k+ m. a9 KA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.: \- v% u' p: ?6 S$ L4 |$ o( W: u
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 8 O9 ~3 H. H: g% O% h# B
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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* _6 X# }) C, ~3 T9 ^' s[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" C/ ~! V8 Q' L4 l3 f& K8 PRefer to last example,5 q8 b1 q; u- Q/ Q" i: }# T
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 7 b% |8 v% ]/ D2 ?6 M1 [" x
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand , K# a# M5 o* s/ G4 u$ ^
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
/ y. E8 D* e) K8 r2 J- lso does it mean if E failed to pay D, : {# ~7 |7 c. Q) _( j
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
2 }6 o  o4 H% ~& z$ Uin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 5 J$ E7 y; b4 p- F
it's the problem of the debt itself.
& n) J" `- J! M  S% V0 h0 o2 w/ C* qthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! p( P* Z! P4 r% N* e9 `0 {
小弟一直都唔明...8 ]- D+ Z/ U9 ?" d  f1 ^' b# }" V4 c
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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; L' o' ~1 {9 v; @9 R0 N- n8 I無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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& C& l' e" m, o9 e6 Y: e5 c" M* r0 o( a敬請各師兄解答% W" Q6 [8 v2 ?; }6 g' R8 }3 t

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
" ~; n' L$ X+ [9 t1 x0 T各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產9 S% U6 n. S1 G6 c% q) w
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
4 i& |$ {7 H' l- e於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊% Q/ J& ~8 n5 A7 @0 z3 v2 P' D
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦  M  a5 U0 W) C: L- W1 C) u- u
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,+ Z1 t  h" z! ?% A# X% X7 }5 d% _8 v7 @
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺* F: T: F; b6 B3 c# E! ]/ R
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法' t! h* _8 G* ^& M
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
, [  k' m1 ?/ V8 n* _0 _( ]但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺) @6 p( `7 T$ Y# ~, w; T
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 6 g- E. ~; h$ K) A6 G* J3 R
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
2 T- |# R- d& w所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁& V; U$ z2 v4 C% _, H1 t) @# R
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
* R6 s) s, k6 R& C( o但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / f7 s% J/ R7 [
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
9 w* w& ]; e$ H呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 H8 M1 f* j* @/ s唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
# Y3 {5 N" [0 W5 f, X5 b淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
: {5 o. ^' B  [. ?  L  u2 d呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
* h" `( t3 V( ?5 x  `咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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5 V# s& f- y1 [7 c正係咁樣
5 }+ u' u. A1 O其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業# n" I2 g$ T4 P" `
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢% o. C. u2 J" A5 t
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
" E! w9 }9 ~6 I) X連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
# C+ }6 ]6 Y) p9 q- Z1 U. Q8 Y一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產' Y- h) q0 q- \; ]: T
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- {! L( H  v; c5 E- y+ t
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費$ G1 N2 l  g$ r* _; [
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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