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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* P; F7 G' h3 y- g# ~
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
) \/ O% d3 @  k, r, ~+ ?I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢7 f4 f7 H. {2 T( X8 G
so銀行可以不斷放款+ M2 K, f: w% g. ], H6 R
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界( A% p% R7 m' |2 p6 G1 G% n5 g

/ |% V. b- o8 f+ e8 omortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation); B8 `: _3 ~. d# s. \- @
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.1 [$ B+ X' a' A, r  K) z
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,7 \4 f1 u8 I9 n, Y
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment., ~. ~! I# U$ k; q) V0 ~. V& j
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,5 O1 l3 A# O( d, }9 t/ h3 H+ O
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
5 X9 o# L' x, H' jAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
: w2 d9 g0 @5 L; D2 asimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,3 @" {+ \7 N+ |, [2 X
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
! @( g0 q3 i9 {! w# \7 }eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 8 M7 U5 b7 Y, |3 p$ h' [0 R
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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  D1 H0 a1 ]6 t$ o4 p: \+ e6 I. Z" Him not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
' D- h/ i" ?1 J! R$ Hin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.% ?2 R6 w3 e2 Y6 P7 i
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,# K% o$ X# j/ Z% t
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
) }! X, p$ r  ?$ kThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. $ x9 Y0 y. o7 q6 N# |
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.6 _. }9 o, Q# A- e

$ [7 w6 m; {  V1 ][ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& H2 F& k( f( P% F- F3 A
Refer to last example,
4 b; n& P" n. F! A9 p: q7 W8 ethat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
1 j5 Q: N7 V* M9 C1 H5 X' YBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
: i; `6 i) i; [: G4 P0 r* z: Wtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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6 Q/ J7 J' q9 dA->B->C->D->E
6 P# B; w6 |( bso does it mean if E failed to pay D, , t7 `0 N! [. Y& |" H
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
3 V- ]4 V" o1 T9 T8 Q" zin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ! c' U; @* P) M: ], ?; c8 [
it's the problem of the debt itself.
  N1 n) ?' j7 n* Y* H$ qthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ y; L% g+ P( H8 Y
小弟一直都唔明...  d# O+ n4 \5 K; U3 S4 V
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?! u' v9 n- c( J
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...$ c2 T# d  j1 N& P

7 A/ z6 W' s/ h敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
% ^& @" w0 T+ |. Z那些根本係 紙上財富  
2 A- v$ ~6 i5 J- J7 _( a各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
6 T9 K3 R7 @/ z, _$ r當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
6 N  Z) q: t: C( u! s$ J於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊9 ?3 Y9 U. P9 }
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦. E1 B' h. E0 k, C
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
& j) [  T# U5 W1 k8 W  I計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
% t1 \' |" Z; I: a. U: j5 A+ Y1 ^7 I前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
8 M9 K; ?4 A2 d) {5 p( R同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
. B6 @8 Y6 L2 U但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
9 \. C# `8 n2 X- O8 U! U8 A1 M例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
+ ^# {$ R' O2 u. d$ q% E. ~咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%# ?: Z( v3 t. d& v. d( Y
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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2 V; I$ N4 n& i. U6 l: N你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
0 \5 S6 ~) T( [6 v; y但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 8 s5 u0 G4 ]- w  g4 y0 P+ s
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
; b% n: \2 v- h5 v呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ x3 Z% ~: Q' c9 A$ Z1 i5 {唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
& m, w. Q4 z, s6 {& @# C* U6 ~2 w. j! e淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, & S0 ^/ r8 V/ O. x, n# q, Y
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣4 G/ J! V4 E5 p0 i, D
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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( I/ l3 p/ V+ w7 a! [2 E再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
9 j! `, d- w! U  O% ]* ?連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票5 m' o# r  a/ y
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
+ ~' b' X3 ~8 `* ]' e- Y) [編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 r8 Y8 d8 o/ F. V
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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" z2 G/ V' M+ p其實係...
% R7 H# K/ O0 \0 K因為以前未生產, 先消費3 O) {! y* o/ ~6 c2 `0 N* ^' r
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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