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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( k1 v  `5 [$ Z; H3 f' w: C
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???; F8 M4 P: g. C; Q- d5 X
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
  e* x/ h+ }5 C, q7 {3 s, fso銀行可以不斷放款
2 P) a) G4 p! _2 `7 z/ K, u美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界# a! P0 D) c& B( A& [, K* F! R# U
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mortgage loan ( g; G1 n5 A4 t1 K1 |0 N
>conduit
: Z6 X! Z  M( u>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)5 k( I5 ]( o" g' I" t
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
& k" u/ @9 F4 Q8 o& QCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
, h4 O6 k" e' s/ B8 n# N' rmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
& j4 A+ p2 [  {' n6 G; b$ N* @main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
8 C) a7 m, T1 X0 X/ C+ tin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
* D) V" d' z& a! ^- dAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
# w* [) u6 S( E/ k4 U2 Jsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
8 ?) x, w+ X& W' u; E0 _) [$ h2 unormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 8 j; n6 S8 c) E: d9 Q
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
6 I- A$ s$ d% L, w3 k2 ?! ubanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.0 t2 v2 H# S+ _$ D% N
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
2 G/ X, q8 R% F  \9 M! K, v- Z) d' fin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
/ Y, {6 T0 v0 u5 L: @For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,  J, S+ B& C7 ?1 C) N7 _$ {
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
6 Q; R& W9 j0 q% d" iThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. + C( S% w- k' V% O* c$ S# F$ _# _
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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! s' [3 ~4 Q+ Z[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 @# ?. i: d4 S! k) I9 }, u4 m
Refer to last example,
5 U- q0 M3 @% `: A' V; f1 [0 Ethat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
# ?  y: I$ n6 F0 jBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
& x4 m* t( h/ c% {) O& q# L2 ~# Ttherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
$ ^9 T, R- T% `6 m+ Iso does it mean if E failed to pay D, & D" {' K$ b! A( R0 Q
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?# f7 D4 [, V6 T0 \" o

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
* ^5 P8 e! M: j6 K% M7 X* d6 P  z2 ~in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
, }- v4 J$ v# p. z  ~it's the problem of the debt itself.
0 V0 R6 e$ b! d: ?$ t$ tthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 k) O* Q  m8 ]0 D( v8 V6 @
小弟一直都唔明...
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* l5 D! @. p1 X  E: ?全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...$ y9 R- L+ R8 x" U7 u! |4 s
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敬請各師兄解答
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% v3 `5 \9 _7 n# I- ?Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
; |& b6 r- M* \$ _( j" q* D& P各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic+ v" _3 O- m2 I: m! R% _$ S/ Z

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產% L9 e. K: b7 Y
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
% |2 x/ G/ o) w2 {. U於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
) N& t) r' t- `8 }. Y* a8 H, `個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
) m9 w. [4 J! y  d: V% E/ W. y扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
3 C, X& M9 E1 Z8 m$ c9 Q計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺% E8 a5 g$ S5 Y( J
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
; m) n$ t$ a. j1 v/ f3 f- u同埋個市場既前境要係好先得. X( O4 q6 }2 \
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺# ^2 S/ p& G7 J8 C5 k0 R
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, . }8 b( r9 E3 m: H' X
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
" }  w" c6 }* G  A) V, m, G所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁9 E1 f) @; w$ r& O+ R* N" ?4 I
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, / r9 G" ]$ z+ A' k. Y% F
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
+ G6 r/ l8 }) l' V. A5 P淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 t  L7 l  E1 P1 z) p* f呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行) R2 [7 L. t+ {2 Y3 F. ]
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
% ?& |0 }: t5 Q( q1 r其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業: w" ^- }. u2 P
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢! M& s1 z" `/ U8 ]5 X9 z
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
( j  Y$ {  E4 v6 l連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
8 S7 Y; g$ X5 V2 W5 K一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產# J" g( G6 {: A6 ]0 I* r+ h" `  f
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ [0 G5 e; D* z! Z( x0 S! W4 f  F
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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3 }2 B/ p# q; R# G  l/ y) k其實係...
, `* O+ t! n; J! U' E( [0 Z; ]因為以前未生產, 先消費/ F3 ]: K0 q" ~3 l( f' n9 N7 U3 ^* w
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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