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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 \  L1 q6 H* X0 \Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???: W1 k2 u: I) a0 y
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
* i" a8 y( B0 a, g& nso銀行可以不斷放款
  N" d  a6 O5 A( E, Q美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan & J; ]% l/ T9 f* f  J. I9 V
>conduit- T8 e" _% K, p3 y
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)/ J/ i: Y' M. u! \$ L: h
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation). {  J" ^/ V$ f; b
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.* [( G! t$ J3 d  {$ m
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,6 O' _% ~& [/ R7 J. G6 m
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
; N+ ?1 R' I: T- p8 Umain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
% G) F( _8 ^9 min other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
; t4 W1 [% @1 HAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
4 T% Q0 J& t' S4 {similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
, Q  o* ^- _* t# {6 cnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ) j6 H1 f7 U% b9 v' G/ J. K
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
4 E! W+ r- `% R5 j- j' d- o  ]banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.: ^8 f+ t0 i0 G, U' y3 X
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
4 A% s" q: P' \( h( M! K. IFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,/ b* Z, z9 x% T% ]
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.: g& c; m8 ?5 |' b8 B1 _; d1 r% |
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 4 z" j$ h! @4 ^/ o) w/ `
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ H$ t/ |0 o& {8 q1 J9 K
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 R' t1 \% k7 j2 _Refer to last example,- R8 i# H, N# e7 Y$ q, o
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 2 R, J$ G& a8 d5 }# F, }+ L
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
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A->B->C->D->E) D) S$ [* {' q8 i( B2 @6 c
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,   \7 U. r* D; R; l! f6 ~- T
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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* r! I4 I9 \( C. Pthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
3 o0 q5 u6 @  |in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 6 b6 c/ V1 z- `' v2 _0 N3 o
it's the problem of the debt itself." i( b+ P; q6 s8 t
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& |. @+ ~9 O. I/ W# K4 _
小弟一直都唔明.... I: n( N+ A4 x; Z7 W7 Y

3 w4 n# t/ a2 y5 T: [全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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4 k2 S9 l/ q4 B4 J. n5 w% X無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...6 P1 h) c; N! T
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
" ?( I7 a/ q& i. K" u$ K% u那些根本係 紙上財富  * D- T4 d" x' _+ [* x' m
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
+ L# V- h5 l4 e' K9 V% Q當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
/ S! i' k5 ]: C4 }* }% L於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
8 e" ?; g& C: M5 N個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
$ S8 U: \9 F: X* K' O! ~扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
9 `1 }& F6 R' R6 ^  A計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺/ f- [9 G0 j* W) k: S
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
7 b) L. h( I% B6 Z: i同埋個市場既前境要係好先得: a! Q  V. \" N& B. n
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺9 j# p$ M8 k. ~: m
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ) B. ?  f" S# l, |
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
2 Q) q8 r1 o9 |" f所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ! c7 d0 Z3 }( M
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 z# d! p0 A* B$ K0 A) P1 X淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
; c0 \" p* G" Y" B3 m( ^: x) E7 H呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ t9 T5 P- J7 d; d/ L: a3 E
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ' S; M5 w5 L2 Q; a3 C! R1 W# b
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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6 }' H0 Z5 N( G1 [! u正係咁樣4 k, @* n3 P) M3 j
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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5 e- F. Q% |0 f. o2 n# W6 v9 n再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,4 _9 ?2 I* i* w
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票& u; s5 K# E' g+ [6 k
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
3 ~" \- R( p# M編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: D, o+ a, r+ m  |+ e. }咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
8 ]/ `; N' F" T* w6 \6 w因為以前未生產, 先消費" N" o% W* |) ?4 |
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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