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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. f* X& z8 T% F  I/ T" J9 }Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
! Y$ W+ w, H* G- bI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
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美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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3 n# e9 Q% N* @2 c>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)/ N& j% U( I8 W( j. u
>arranger
7 n& f6 O2 j2 E>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)2 Y9 S! {4 b/ Q( Y' B
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 ~+ ]1 j' y* Q4 _2 I2 J
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,6 m2 @* ?/ z5 S; u- F! y! X0 a" P
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
; T2 a/ Z: s' |; W" Fmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
8 E: D) j% w: ?# P' _$ p( K, Oin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
% l, z9 {  R$ u1 \Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.% M; `( W' O; ?3 T* n# Y) D
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
* l& j+ t2 j/ z2 D6 I! knormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 4 Z& _( M) R/ Z; a  Z) a4 @
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 0 F( v% P' b/ l! u
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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. K1 S& d* O8 ^: c- D: f  Uim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.. h8 V& }$ W, B7 Z+ D& E. {
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.( k* p* k7 q) F! g: c& F
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,2 q- q. A9 H6 q, T7 j9 L4 O
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
' k0 l1 X4 _! X# h$ `The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. " X. r+ Y3 d! {; b( U
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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' @/ m  {: x; F8 T6 @" P[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, J* E! p4 E' w" A, G# ]6 \% o
Refer to last example,2 [( H" t, D7 x! T$ G- G
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
/ @+ V2 e  N/ B: r: HBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand , {. K8 o9 d1 t0 y
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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: W, W) h3 R+ s8 e6 L. BA->B->C->D->E/ E7 P0 {7 j1 h& t6 K( Z, `
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
% T) m( j7 o! @4 Vin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, $ s& z' K1 ^1 g6 ?7 I: W* F  w
it's the problem of the debt itself.4 n; w# e  K% ]* p9 K& B  ]. ]
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. D+ |  J; \+ h' M2 Z+ [; T
小弟一直都唔明...) E# I) p8 [9 `* |
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?+ D5 }" q2 K: p( ^6 d* Q

3 J6 W5 D' h% L  C% \) j* C無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...1 ~" q1 f' v  w/ p3 E; U

" e) O. S& y) C8 D& ~0 a$ m+ _. W. A敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ; {" s# ?7 K7 G% i! W! }( S
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
9 R: J9 ]- h+ B當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
6 p* v% E! y2 y5 N$ V, e6 A2 g於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
$ A5 n# t7 B. I9 D1 K: i2 P個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
, u/ ~- }9 `( F' q; u* ~+ V% s扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,; C: A- m+ ]8 o* g
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
* v  u2 w5 g% j; T前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法, w% A3 C( T8 ~0 n( N& g3 @, y
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得8 ^( F1 g' H" o! `4 {% H
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
& u' a* H+ ~$ C3 Q5 s& o. R* ?' v* h例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, & `* e* P6 `2 ~- c" z4 Q2 f/ w: z# ^
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%2 W. B  p* G9 h, n; N& ?
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁; ^+ W" ]! i! c5 \

: S( t9 l$ x7 G7 x/ W( L你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, % F5 D2 _+ [' m7 s* q6 e  V
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, % `( K* Q# L1 X
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, , m2 _, J, P7 C* S$ F. E0 z1 H" T* k
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; ^4 ?' P5 \4 z) M唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
+ Q" s% v0 Q2 t, o淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,   E5 C- u/ I4 \1 Q
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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0 G9 t/ K5 i% r: O正係咁樣
% i! W* h6 ~- J; O其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業$ ^- T" ?& g( N7 J* f  }8 N/ V% L3 I
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,1 w- @" s0 X( O, A2 |4 ?2 t
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
, J0 }# Q  l) d一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產: F- _1 o/ J+ E
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) }2 S! Z7 _/ r8 F1 B
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...5 m3 P+ T& Z! H4 x( z/ W
因為以前未生產, 先消費* O/ l2 I& L9 }- B3 _$ R
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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