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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( ?1 e0 N8 j0 x. J/ H. E# ~Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???; O- e) z; g0 S( c& R! c" `
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢$ n& F  i6 i7 C$ e$ N* B" `
so銀行可以不斷放款
# `$ F7 u) R$ m- z6 F美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界3 v/ t( L) a6 f

, X5 V+ q8 b/ b9 g1 @mortgage loan ' B& W5 ^, \$ x6 p* \
>conduit5 H5 A: O0 t* G5 F9 @# m
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)5 ?0 L, M& e# q2 K
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
3 A' w; K* ]- W# i6 G( }; HCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
2 v% m5 G3 p* @8 _) S5 }5 g! M  pmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.% Y. a0 a9 s2 h+ c: N0 @
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,7 ?2 G( d. `! [& l: ^" I
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.) C! ]$ X7 l7 ?3 A
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.$ \" K/ ]! G% V/ n! S
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
2 \' r" b0 f% q$ r+ {normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ; M3 l2 `* \; t
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. + @4 @: O5 ^5 o8 p$ i* c- V
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.2 G5 v, V. m, B7 l: j. j) i
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.+ I2 C2 ^; ~) n/ J# a  D
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
$ p! A( w( `+ ?4 fFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,# e1 b) k) m9 ]
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.1 [, B( [/ Q  h, p. F* Y
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 1 }0 s- n. h: k& p# w
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.1 I9 L: f6 x% J, {  `% L2 T
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 h+ c# a0 ]! q0 Z: g1 ^" GRefer to last example,3 n; _# B- y  i! [
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
! t4 z' y9 }, v) r/ SBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand % F0 G. n1 B! ?2 q) c3 `
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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/ J0 [8 }5 _) CA->B->C->D->E
: b+ f0 y, r! i- E1 g& t" ~  T2 zso does it mean if E failed to pay D, + F8 n" p& S( h( g# y
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 3 m9 T, @5 l/ |" M7 q
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, & [: n2 Y, Q4 D% _0 l
it's the problem of the debt itself.! G6 n5 E/ X& z9 b4 G3 U
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?9 e$ b5 Z1 ?' ^9 P. L: {0 x
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...( g/ H/ Z9 ~* S' p
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敬請各師兄解答
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; `! O) I% C- z9 h& eThanks
' U# {; I9 ^8 E* j+ F# P那些根本係 紙上財富  ! K- G) x2 P( C- T% V$ d" l: P. b
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic2 w% u; B0 V$ e/ ?
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產7 Y0 Y2 W! B. C. c  \7 [+ T
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
! N( y' p& v: ]. E* r% X1 B於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
6 ]) G9 U% f2 v5 C: g2 U個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦. E& B  |  R8 Y
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,2 F. r( J  @/ E8 Y
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
& Q3 s0 S, `- v  A" p( d8 g前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法$ \& _% f1 C* h9 M- `
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
! y- G6 i7 r* X+ p8 h但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
% [+ H) J; X, z6 K: h- Y7 G例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 1 q5 u3 g" M7 M) H8 T
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%2 _# u) W$ ]( y1 ~( Y# ~* }7 R
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁0 Q% B5 [7 ]  Q: w
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
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唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 o0 G/ a* q( L& h1 M5 H* M: i% x% z淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 u1 y1 _% d" H7 }  [
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 k9 Z% [0 B5 {2 e
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, # ^( j! W5 q; T! U$ Q4 W" w( |
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 q% m; P% Q- C
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣9 b7 o9 [& o7 u9 k
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,4 V# ?5 e' A1 N5 Y  Q
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票- I8 s- e1 C4 h- S" D, M
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產( _9 Q7 ?4 V  S0 B
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* v2 O! ?  q9 a6 s0 E% D& S咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...3 F& ^+ m: Q8 ^) v
因為以前未生產, 先消費
) P$ ^- K2 u) {4 H3 B+ s; I而家就要多生產, 少消費
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