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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ L9 W" ~; U8 {/ P* d8 ^
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
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講到尾都係賺錢
) W. }1 g! ]- G( Lso銀行可以不斷放款
$ S' i5 K+ H( v  y6 w美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)9 n8 n0 J0 B- P/ `% m( Y- ?
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)" K. g* y* R/ {' A, J3 T) h( Y
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
1 `7 N0 s: Y, a- tCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,3 i* q( Z- t! {( ]% ^
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
) G3 W( w8 i  {% i) _main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
. m8 t! Z6 \& d3 T% {, n; Nin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.+ S' r  p  O( p8 |' ]  d7 p2 t
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
$ i9 [9 s4 z- q( G; l) z/ Dsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,1 j5 L$ U" E7 {6 v: _9 j5 Q( C0 a) l* }
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
( l; P- c9 Y0 {( ~7 }5 ^* Deg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
1 j9 ~* x' f$ {& l$ Dbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.5 @) J' O+ S4 S9 i8 K

+ E: t7 ?9 x1 ~4 l. r- kim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
5 O6 `& e4 U3 I8 rin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
3 J9 ^3 D! T/ S6 M/ J* u, |For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,2 z8 k3 ~7 X: o/ ~% ~5 v
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
# }8 p( Z  Y9 H; w3 i' eThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) s3 Q5 y6 P- h& W4 l, Rbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.; V( b7 Y3 U% y; D8 f/ t7 m

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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ J7 N; \& w. x: k6 ^0 lRefer to last example," K8 \; @# A" v4 b" ]6 L, w! i
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
) z/ B/ z: O# X5 i5 aBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand + ]: _1 b, E9 Y, w# N* ^, D
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E0 V+ C$ r, T. O- D% S% B) E' |
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 2 m' w1 s( B1 }: X1 n. g9 M4 y% P
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?  {2 }5 Z1 G3 N0 {! i0 i$ [/ j
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 8 k  [: g) L; I( g) A6 U7 n
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
' Q0 c9 s8 ~3 Bit's the problem of the debt itself.
# I! [0 d5 S# M' Z9 a' Sthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 _$ d  @" S7 R4 H( s$ y1 v" m0 i0 \小弟一直都唔明...
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& u$ t3 j' O+ [7 V- y) a7 v3 q全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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. F2 H$ e, m! Y: l無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...0 K: q/ ^1 _5 g( N6 H5 [/ c
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敬請各師兄解答
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# e0 x& Y5 ^  K$ z; J4 wThanks
$ P. G) \9 _2 N5 L那些根本係 紙上財富  
" }# j' v0 q% [2 a各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic6 f" I. N7 M: D! g+ [) b

/ ~8 @7 P. I( d, k, D" n: R: |http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產# G# w  j" q/ |/ L5 q! e7 ?6 Q9 K
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高: t9 m& i( |* M) p8 d: S/ n. F- ]
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
9 ^6 s0 k6 g' y7 p) `個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦2 N0 ?  x. n( E. r
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
0 A4 H7 N" S0 X2 M- r( W計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺3 N9 I& ?, y: t" L+ G5 j5 {( ]4 X- Z
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
+ O) x& i$ p+ I7 L同埋個市場既前境要係好先得0 K2 p* c0 U: ~( a
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
1 w2 Y. ^4 l( o) \. s. s例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
) N0 F* d8 |8 g3 S) B* [咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
1 B1 p/ M3 _: ^8 e4 w/ o所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁* {+ g& F3 b8 \8 \

: Q0 O9 z: u* {" M9 F你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
. O% j& r4 U, {: D" x但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 o. B2 \. R9 ?7 m2 T淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 1 L" x5 g. ?( Z6 R* h
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* H& A8 y1 G& q
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, " G, }4 ]0 o  R( q0 v! n/ f4 ~
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行  {8 G$ c* c- B, M$ Y4 y0 G7 t
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣  A+ O: ?8 W- ~( q- ^$ F) F
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業9 y' n, Y+ P' r7 a- e% u$ e
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢( N- ^1 Y. _3 `3 y
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
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一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產- U$ i& |6 e3 _: W* p- s
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ {$ P; v4 w8 {) T6 V7 a. Q' E咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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' ]9 q4 ?; v2 M# U$ i) b其實係...
3 @( P1 U0 R$ N6 ]5 c' A5 T因為以前未生產, 先消費
1 G  ~" w6 O1 Y0 F% k而家就要多生產, 少消費
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