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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( K' u; `- Q; o: u; u. d0 V  FWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
$ l, e0 [8 T4 n, t2 Q- QI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢0 n+ ]; ^/ F0 x1 h
so銀行可以不斷放款0 X$ E& {9 [5 X0 `
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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; J4 U0 Z4 s  Lmortgage loan
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- n# N4 l" l3 B# C4 O0 e1 x/ g>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)" ^6 h( y- c5 z7 y
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.# W0 }4 M- \  {" w4 d$ m/ r8 U9 d
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,' ]4 Q% ?% E( O: |
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.+ C6 l' t5 b9 j& S9 y
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,* c( r3 Y* y: W  v4 ]
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
* z+ N( ]0 K; N* |  r8 \) jAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.( w! C( M/ ^4 b
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
: }* e3 g5 c$ I/ G4 ]% |; x7 J* Hnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 0 S2 h: M% v5 [$ }2 E6 s2 t
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. $ H+ x' H+ B3 _+ g  c! y& _' g4 h0 o
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
6 X0 [8 E: O# c, gin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.% b, D5 F: ~, Z6 w) _9 d
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
' z# w2 s5 E- i; d; M9 O* XA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.: Q( t+ l" M  e; a6 r' Y
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
' X* D9 R, D7 tbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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4 V0 O! M1 f7 F9 Z" Q1 g/ S: ?[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ k5 F1 S4 z0 N
Refer to last example,# n8 [" ?3 e1 x" k6 o9 v! y; u
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
/ q- C+ Z' N2 qBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
. K* ~& n" x0 o$ N. o% N8 T: X2 ttherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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7 V1 r1 k( e+ g4 l7 C8 ^$ ]9 {) |A->B->C->D->E
8 [; Y) O1 [* i! q9 C% ]so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ) ~8 S% p* o/ B
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
/ }* y7 q; r& Pin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
! [) \# h3 K0 P8 z' {; u' Wit's the problem of the debt itself./ J, k6 ?) o- |' f% ?
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; L- D$ r& B9 o9 l5 N& ^1 H9 }
小弟一直都唔明...
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6 {7 g( V% h0 V全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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- t  Q; ?8 q5 Y& p& f) c) c# k: n敬請各師兄解答
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/ M' n( D3 B" e- m  C/ hThanks
9 Z/ M5 z; a" v/ Y5 m那些根本係 紙上財富  
) P8 b. K5 }0 t2 B各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic0 y7 ~( F- n) K. K& g
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
$ O/ V' h* ?0 W& F9 Y; ~# w7 H$ }3 ?當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
/ a  [8 ^! z- w' {6 L: D8 o於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
! R2 q5 P1 j/ b  ~個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
+ e: L9 F" `4 s扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
4 x2 x' G+ n, M+ f" u- |8 G計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
$ J* w- f1 p% z; W前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
1 b3 `' D+ W3 [! o2 T9 v同埋個市場既前境要係好先得4 ~# C! V! q* S% X& z2 N
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺: v: ?  j' X! E! A; l! ]4 Q
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
4 B; a) }0 M& C- F  c咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%6 }/ ~# y* @# s$ }7 M( \% U* k" _
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁% a; K4 p2 l$ c# G' A( i4 h$ X
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
5 Y  G2 S! C  j7 L& j2 d8 r. G. o但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; u- e; M& W7 U# d) L$ ~1 S
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 P$ S" h2 y; X& I& p5 N呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% O* C8 h' O: `唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
( \- h6 J- V) f) r3 T: L3 {8 g淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
$ b$ u! b9 R% [, ~) D呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
$ l. X7 D, d, g咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣& n7 Z" D9 C& ~
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業: D1 Q3 {9 d$ ]4 W% U( w/ b7 d! b
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢0 y3 r- J" x* q4 D

: k2 w, J7 D' m# p再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
1 g1 Y, {7 I4 U1 d: T- m連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票& M$ [6 B' c2 C
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
* n* j! o' Q# j) Y/ I編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 U9 X3 g; g9 l9 |/ x; f! ^0 B
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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5 _' y$ x" k! U/ x其實係...
7 L/ k0 u5 Y9 K  b8 c因為以前未生產, 先消費
3 u5 E+ @! k9 }而家就要多生產, 少消費
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