Board logo

標題: 俾機會你親口同神講聲多謝,你會多謝咩呢?[積極回應+] [打印本頁]
作者: JCer    時間: 2005-6-4 01:57 AM     標題: 俾機會你親口同神講聲多謝,你會多謝咩呢?[積極回應+]

如果世界上真係有神, Z8 l- X6 D8 I
有一日神真係出現起你面前4 a. Y$ n, C2 h0 j5 j- u
神同你講話比個機會你親口同佢講返一聲多謝7 D! B5 O; R6 x% a; K3 S
咁你會多謝D咩呢??? 9 g9 l: b; e/ g9 C
(神等緊你既post嫁~)7 M- e+ b3 U5 U: B' _
8 _' L' i& Y1 V7 D: X: B. G0 b9 L

1 M0 ^  g/ U- }6 |2 y) }http://www.biblia.com/jesusart/poser-god-35.jpg
2 E- r( ^2 `3 i' C8 V$ ~8 u9 o  ?( T# B6 v+ C/ R5 `- q7 u
我自己會多謝神,比左一個唔蠢既腦我...多謝你(包括我父母)3 U7 b4 \) H9 C+ x* o- `; k$ V1 r
+ x& O5 y7 O8 m  A* J% L
[ Last edited by 樂壇渣Fit人 on 2005-6-4 at 09:57 PM ]
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 02:01 AM

我好簡單﹐就係感謝主。
( A& t( V5 l6 C$ Z我二十年黎都一直甘感謝﹐見到距我亦係感謝。
作者: jason williams    時間: 2005-6-4 02:08 AM

多謝佢比我有機會證實祂的存在5 a' \$ V. z& _  s% o" l  X
ot, 認真的說, 如果真係有神, 並要作出審判, 到時你地無神論者(包括我)會點呢?' {  U  e4 s! k2 K
我諗大部份人都pk lu!!!
作者: JCer    時間: 2005-6-4 02:15 AM

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-6-4 02:08 AM:/ M) P3 y; K2 r, g! [
多謝佢比我有機會證實祂的存在7 M$ e' f5 I& Y. A: L9 C
ot, 認真的說, 如果真係有神, 並要作出審判, 到時你地無神論者(包括我)會點呢?- W; _* M2 s1 K8 I0 {# ]
我諗大部份人都pk lu!!!
" J6 [! Z9 ?  r! z6 p% m其實我一直都想知..." k) h: y7 {) m* E2 h- ~" k7 K
如果我係唔信神既, 但我係一個好人, 咁我可唔可以上天堂呢?+ {# E7 |, {( r7 q; o" z3 v
希望有關人士可以答我
作者: 本篤十六世    時間: 2005-6-4 02:22 AM

do you believe in 桂神...

圖片附件: fbtipa0101p0_0.jpg (2005-6-4 02:22 AM, 5.6 KB) / 下載次數 5
http://www.26fun.com/bbs/attachment.php?aid=352192&k=d8b03fa886601f9322c1522afe2847ca&t=1760867968&sid=oOqB53

作者: 本篤十六世    時間: 2005-6-4 02:25 AM

Originally posted by JCer at 2005-6-4 02:15 AM:
- r" w! W7 l6 `# J
4 q( [0 l/ s+ l其實我一直都想知...
4 y. O' a& }: k如果我係唔信神既, 但我係一個好人, 咁我可唔可以上天堂呢?* L' J" }2 K8 w( b
希望有關人士可以答我
( I. `4 M* ?0 d/ O- U- B
yes,i think you can still go to heaven.
" x" E" x) ]& ?But I hope you can stop gambling first.
7 }2 e/ J2 y/ ^- E4 P3 SIf really can't,I hope you can reduce the frequency' e& h4 Y2 V5 G9 D, B
going to Jockey Club.This is not allowed by God.6 _  J1 |  q/ x, T( b* J9 `$ C
Even you can go to heaven,he will give you some punishment.! l" }: [, B2 Z4 A: N8 k( z
In fact I am a Christian,I can tell you more if you are interested.
作者: Gretzky    時間: 2005-6-4 02:35 AM

Originally posted by JCer at 2005-6-4 02:15 AM:) r$ O) G2 ^0 g# s( c

3 x2 l' L& o# E  L$ y# ~其實我一直都想知...
  Q6 R: p* T: D如果我係唔信神既, 但我係一個好人, 咁我可唔可以上天堂呢?
) [. _  N/ f1 H2 Z; o希望有關人士可以答我
+ @- x1 s3 Y3 ~: B* G
: a  `9 y# k2 A1 C/ w" fJ,
: a1 E  ?- J# F3 W% J- c; N' l6 e( Q  b
-Traditional Chinese beliefs would bring you to heaven as long as you behaved & do the right things.4 e0 K9 p; t/ \5 v
-You don't go to heaven in New Age religions, you are heaven.
5 F* q3 j, K1 d5 R8 D-Most Muslims think they will be there, but with some fear.
) u) J" A! ^( ^( ~-For a Hindu, they don't know whether they will be there or not.3 G$ s* T& @9 R) B$ }7 O
-The same goes for a Sikh...but with a lesser extent.
$ ~  b1 g4 `; o7 O-As a Christian you have assurance in heaven, but only if you believe in Christ's death and resurection...and repent of your sins.
; n  V9 Q/ }! x2 m3 S' g; Z0 q1 a-Catholics are less rigid than their Christians brothers, most believe they will.' D$ \( U4 D' L. w$ V( X
-Atheist don't care on the surface (but I wonder how many struggle deep down inside their soul).
- w3 u8 }( u  `7 U/ L' X-Religious humanist are indifferent, but don't mind squeezing into heaven.7 y7 Z- l2 Q8 q9 ?# D) d

- O$ }8 P' n& |! W; L" ?- CWhy do you want to go anyway? Does it matter to you if you miss the boat at the end of life?
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 02:36 AM

Originally posted by JCer at 2005-6-4 02:15 AM:
4 g) y5 \. V$ f/ {2 d. C% I, W5 X% s# u1 J4 [; a  a
其實我一直都想知...
8 s, C- _! \5 x+ }如果我係唔信神既, 但我係一個好人, 咁我可唔可以上天堂呢?
( X  R! D  E: [% |8 `9 r希望有關人士可以答我
: S5 l9 c  x( |- |/ Q/ _3 ]# g我講既野可能會令到一D基督教信徒憤怒﹐但我都講。
) `: {- G& e& j4 C! L我覺得信仰全是個人喜好﹐信不信由你。‘信’不待表信﹐‘不信’不代表不信﹐明白嗎﹖好多信教既人o係背後做好多違背良心既事﹐但仍然係一個虔誠既教徒﹐心入面一路諗主升天堂﹐仲以為信者得救就可代表一齊﹐做咩都得。
; X8 @1 X; W2 x9 D, {6 }7 R
& W$ i* Y9 j6 u7 Y3 u& W) L以我知﹐好多人都係好好好好既人﹐做事對得住天地良心﹐但就無信仰。從基督教既perspective黎講﹐距地覺得奉係唔信既就會落地獄﹐信者就得救。但其實好多時信唔信尼D野係在乎一個人點樣長大同埋係咩環境下長大﹐無得逼既。我自己就覺得天主係注重你係好人一或唔好人﹐我鼓天主都唔會鐘意果D虛偽既信徒。
作者: 本篤十六世    時間: 2005-6-4 03:09 AM

he will know you have done many good things ga la

圖片附件: poser-god-36.JPG (2005-6-4 03:09 AM, 37 KB) / 下載次數 17
http://www.26fun.com/bbs/attachment.php?aid=352211&k=76f2e0412a37853412243b7c9de447af&t=1760867968&sid=oOqB53

作者: spector.R    時間: 2005-6-4 03:37 AM

Originally posted by 本篤十六世 at 2005-6-4 02:22 AM:
/ \/ h. L% L1 f' c) o# u9 A  Odo you believe in 桂神...
* T, t6 a# k8 [) w3 J
: G3 t  L7 f6 p: w* P2 l! n: b  \7 ~5 O; ?4 n6 Q) y
好多人就係因為信左佢去買......到最後....
作者: 史艷文2    時間: 2005-6-4 03:41 AM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 02:36 AM:- s9 c& @! d% B. ~9 G& m; ^0 n- g
& {+ E% r* @# W3 l. Y5 x
我講既野可能會令到一D基督教信徒憤...
' o* ]( P4 G* k5 R

; T" C0 x2 D9 C" d- s
# z$ A0 Q* Q7 W. g4 {" R9 n( ]一D都無錯
* Z. g5 v- F- X, A9 I. ^- x8 `唔信就落地獄,仲惡過黑社會
作者: 阿細    時間: 2005-6-4 04:24 AM

Originally posted by JCer at 2005-6-4 02:15 AM:
8 h! ~9 a; I2 ^2 x1 h3 n
1 ^: h/ v. [% C6 p其實我一直都想知...
8 {5 n( g8 L- R0 I如果我係唔信神既, 但我係一個好人, 咁我可唔可以上天堂呢?6 C4 K) z2 M" {* H2 ^
希望有關人士可以答我
) `" }1 y8 W& ?所有野~由神決定~我地冇能力話你上唔上到天堂~
作者: 阿細    時間: 2005-6-4 04:27 AM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 02:36 AM:
. Z0 `7 G* y7 b2 o% E0 _9 O% R
我講既野可能會令到一D基督教信徒憤...
, e% Z! B- W9 Y* A/ D. ^+ e
又唔係ga...我諗大把人都聽過福音..信唔信一會事..但起碼聽過耶穌lee個名~- J* w% i8 f7 n, M( O% j
憤怒=.=?唔會掛...其實又唔一定好人落地獄...咩都唔係由我地決定嫁~上定落~你估坐elevator咁易咩~xdd~
作者: 阿細    時間: 2005-6-4 04:28 AM

Originally posted by 史艷文2 at 2005-6-4 03:41 AM:
; P! _- U, S/ q; |* h2 \
  V. z. u/ e! e4 s' z  e5 F# J2 X- ?1 C& G
. u% j3 u& f2 N4 i
一D都無錯
/ B3 e7 d9 V3 u6 l唔信就落地獄,仲惡過黑社會
( f2 k; {, G+ {# J; w+ ?3 b  e
邊個講唔信就要落...咩都唔係我地決定=.=~係由神決定
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 04:43 AM

Originally posted by 阿細 at 2005-6-4 04:28 AM:
, U8 ^6 e# F! _, a, E
  a5 F) D! l$ V+ m邊個講唔信就要落...咩都唔係我地決定=.=~係由神決定
  f; L) y! W1 E4 @D基督徒好偏激架﹐唔到你唔信﹐我試過同距地討論﹐跟本無得講﹐個個都好似洗左腦甘。我曾經暗戀既一個女仔﹐距成日叫我去聽聖經﹐猛叫我唔好信天主教﹐要信基督教﹐如果唔係就會落地獄﹐仲成日話我就黎死架喇。。。7 _7 C5 x4 |5 \" y
+ f3 Q3 e) ]$ J" {! ]& `0 S8 R
兩個字﹕痴線
作者: 阿細    時間: 2005-6-4 06:22 AM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 04:43 AM:5 f) y/ u. {, M# c' Q9 Q1 n
% o; q* w9 V* _
D基督徒好偏激架﹐唔到你唔信﹐我試...
8 I/ H4 A7 j* e) U; Z; |咁係某d人太偏激ja=o=~你仲未訓嫁@o@?
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-6-4 07:32 AM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 06:43:
% _% N8 N9 J6 t% Q5 `+ ^6 Q0 f5 U  B% |) E9 M' V
D基督徒好偏激架﹐唔到你唔信﹐我試...
: z$ P' X# @: u+ W: d. T9 }
6 e- W$ z3 b4 e' o+ w8 ]% H

7 g2 z. Z! m2 `( n" e: d$ n; xEm.. sometimes,... yes ga..% S( j" w. X$ {0 P+ n* ^* \
I am a Christian..
0 D, V! W$ P7 ~/ r. u$ E7 Fbut I think that's some miscommunication when Christians preach the Good News.1 ]: x! j9 L8 M3 e+ g
What the points you are pointing out, I am totally agreeing that it will make you upset......& l* ~1 s  R) `4 j! M

8 {  V) N4 @% ~. L) g( G" Z' c8 gmaybe they couldn't speak it too well to let this happened...~~~
2 b2 U- Z; i0 L5 Y. V; R
7 K* m9 t  o2 s: N2 c
: S" K9 c2 P& A+ BI am sorry that you may get a wrong image in there for Christianity.....
: W  x: v3 }6 i  Z8 d
; k8 F# w& [2 X1 v: P0 d0 g3 I3 I' h7 a7 s4 W& `# U$ U, p

* E: ^, t3 H3 K: V4 k3 BBright
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 08:01 AM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 04:43 AM:
' Z: O8 T5 V- ~
* w! T5 ]; X/ }+ f  kD基督徒好偏激架﹐唔到你唔信﹐我試...
0 F0 \! G8 g# _- I: U( D% Q4 f6 k% M0 k: Q- Y* n3 o
真係好恐佈架, 基本上佢哋会被洗腦洗到變咗另一個人, 最慘係佢哋信咗会成日叫你信, 好似黑社会踢人入会咁, 當你話無論点都唔会信仲連 friend 都無得做
4 ?. A, [3 a5 }, e* G" a  a4 f3 d( R0 F. c( Z8 S  V4 m
有一次我俾 d "friend" 捉咗去聽道, 佢哋响度講話唔信係唔可以上天堂, 我問咗一句連個牧師都唔識答嘅間題 --> 一出世就夭折嘅咪要好無辜咁落地獄?? 如果係, 你哋個神都好玩嘢喎.... 4 e* C3 V, U$ L7 o! k7 s/ ?

; N$ X- v* [2 j5 W# o之後佢哋就無再搵我囉
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-6-4 08:34 AM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 10:01:5 m6 Q& o+ z$ x# x- w5 K& O5 Z: T

9 P2 E4 d& o2 ?2 _0 z2 C' K* W% o8 E% O5 T& S" c0 y) _
真係好恐佈架, 基本上佢哋会被洗...
( G/ J; X( {7 A# P; ^5 l1 L* y: H4 ?
I was thinking for a while.....
, [) |( Q) T3 C& I+ u  d6 B3 T& kI hope I can explain what's your questions
4 ]( J8 _5 i! d7 z: o. f+ L
3 z8 w- f& v& q: M% f1 XThat's what I learn and know it, if you don't believe or don't agree what I am talking about, that's fine for you, cos everyone has their own opinions and point of views, ok?!
! s' ?0 {9 _& y# e* ~# ^  b: t$ o2 {+ d; y9 Z
you have a good question in your head, I am really happy to see it.4 U$ J; E7 v; X! ~/ K

  x# w8 e, X0 H5 _+ {, Uem.. I give you a question to think:
2 T$ {/ j8 n' q# Q9 B( x& O2 {! [" N( F
If someone who never know his/her dad before he/her is passed away, do u think, the lovely father (say in Christianity, God) will be doing tough for them?!; ^! a. n4 h+ M( h9 v: V5 r

: L7 x! i" K- XNo, I don't think so
0 F3 `: p- F# _: s8 R# J, `+ t$ u5 H! ^8 l4 H( l6 B; {
But on the other hand, if someone tell you that's lovely dad in there, but you decide not to believe it, well, will your dad be angry and upset? * U+ k# c- a1 e8 _
0 Y# \% m2 y: v8 f/ |8 ]! z
Yes, He will. i1 ]( y. @5 J6 n0 J+ t1 _
& {$ g- `2 ?+ q
GOD, the creator of the world and everything is smarter and brighter than another who are in our world.9 l  o  ]" j0 p; }
8 l* r) I+ U6 K
He knows who we are, He could see what's happened from the first day in our life until we die, do you think He wouldn't judge us unfairly?!
2 J8 e: |2 h* K; `
1 R; A9 v3 D% o* m( N2 di.e. as in pervious posts, someone may say, "yes, Christians are bad.. they did bad behaviours"
5 X2 O; r  m" |: T0 }0 lDo u think GOD, if that's the right one, would never know that?
' t9 }4 x' x* t0 w1 }Do u think GOD will not "teach" them???
. p4 {1 u+ \. H) s& V8 N6 Y& t4 Q, i3 P& R7 @+ M7 I
I did so many mistakes, or in other eyes (bad witness) in history... GOD knows my fault and "teach" me in His right way. (i.e. time, situation, you never know others 100% in his/her time life line, right?)
6 C; v3 }" s+ e  I) Z) f
. X. ^" \7 ^* HHe loves us that's why He gives us to choose the right path or wrong path.
' a* U/ S7 T* m$ M; E1 v" u: _  H. C5 A# @" H5 P
Em.. maybe that's not too good to talk so much religions stuffs... 9 V, L6 o* Y- ^6 V& x8 k
4 O; B! Q  B- F/ z% A5 O( _
I hope you could understand what I am talking about.0 e; ~/ O9 S, Y7 s/ @* D1 W2 v
$ U4 e  T" W9 a7 h" }3 i5 @

# e* n9 x2 l" t, d2 d$ t" Z( zBright
' C0 ^. h, p$ c2 t1 }
3 u, M+ A4 }' c% h* A3 u+ V[ Last edited by brightlee on 2005-6-4 at 10:40 AM ]
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-6-4 08:39 AM

Anyway,
0 j6 ~. l. w$ DI would like to talk back the question!4 |# `3 P7 d; U8 g) w1 A, U6 ]
# S8 W% B' g+ F' b7 x* t
what will it be if see GOD face to face?!2 A; A$ k1 h4 n! ~

( N/ Y, i5 b$ S# k8 _1) I feel so blessed that I could see Him in my life! Do u think it's easy .. to see Him in our life?$ v4 @  z" d, I* U! u
2) Guilty, shame, couldn't look up for Him, He's the rightous, then look at how bad for me, how sinful for me........ " s# T6 r2 n- A9 R; ~8 U
3) The emotions is mixed, and if i can see Him in my life, I would appericate that He gives me my life is liking that, even though I made mistakes, He's still loving me, caring me, looking after me, espeically in my difficult time
& x9 @( B0 C( p4) I am pleased that He put so many people around me and let me to know Him,  praise to Him, and talk to Him that hoping He will bless the people who are loving me, (I believe He will even though I don't see Him face to face now)- O2 D3 j% P' F
6 T( M) \# F" Z7 M7 c3 k2 c) \
That's all I am thinking in my head now.
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 09:44 AM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-6-4 08:34 AM:5 q6 K# W2 h, ?6 R1 M% I! G

1 ?6 R- D0 v9 n9 S6 w
1 f7 [7 P) @+ E( M8 {I was thinking for a while........
! R# E" \$ V3 V  I) Y5 X6 \1 j# V, m

3 V7 n' ~# @% P4 k+ v我都希望如果真係有神嘅話, 佢会係好似你講到咁好啦
作者: spector.R    時間: 2005-6-4 09:58 AM

Originally posted by JCer at 2005-6-4 02:15 AM:
* u/ B. D) n* _/ E% G% o0 a
! N. |! Y) Y3 z% \; ^7 k( s其實我一直都想知...5 F/ R5 W) h6 e4 D1 D, A- Y
如果我係唔信神既, 但我係一個好人, 咁我可唔可以上天堂呢?5 j) c4 N! \4 y) f. {5 s! Z8 i
希望有關人士可以答我
# a1 F1 b# Q7 Z+ t) ~8 ]9 X
7 K, o( L$ |+ ]4 m- L9 j
) Q& ^2 v% I1 z7 Z, a
! A6 j9 O3 d  k& ?/ n% n' i5 i有一種說法是( m7 Q6 T2 \9 L$ c4 u- X7 h

9 N# i- K9 V# K神是"一切萬有", 因為"一切萬有"無法經驗到自己的存在, 就正如宇宙最強不能體驗到自己是最強, 因此祂將自己分為無盡[份]  ------  以便每一[份]的祂得以回顧祂自己,並看到神是誰,神是什麼的奇妙. 故我們是神的一部份, 祂能夠從我們而經驗到祂的存在. # T# J. h  O3 |$ x/ @
) ~0 z  {0 r2 F3 k( S5 u1 |
神是一個觀察者, 永遠不會做審判者,因為祂創造生命的時候給了我們最大的禮物,就是自由意志, 讓我們自由地去創造自己,經驗自己,一旦祂對我們做出審判,就是破壞了祂給我們自由意志的原意.
$ I9 l8 y' i: a6 v
7 j5 A* U9 Z7 Q' ^# j' _2 e祂不會因為我們做了什麼而給激怒, 也沒有東西可以偒害到祂.所以神根本就沒有雖要創做天堂與地獄去懲罰那些做過所謂壞事的人, 只是人類當自己內疚做了一些自覺是天大的錯事後內心所創做出來的地獄. 如果神是不想我們去做某些事, 就不會把我們造成有去想,有去做那件事的可能. 宇宙間唯一會給冒犯的存在體是那有自我顧慮的存在體 ; 怕別人說他什麼, 怕別人對他做什麼. 神沒有這種自我顧慮. 神是超乎自我的. 如此的超乎自我, 以致人們無法想像. 神住在純粹的愛中. 純粹的愛不會因任何人懷疑, 思考或探測任何觀點而想要去懲罰誰. 人生是為了活著, 為了創造的. 1 B2 h4 t1 `& G6 Y

$ r5 {( ^/ s* r& }+ M[對] 與 [錯] 是人類價值體系中的哲學對立點, 在最終的實相中, 它是不存在的. 它們也不是恆常的,而總是時時在變動. $ _4 g9 N: P3 v1 m9 [

" v6 J8 y8 h; E. y2 P' S8 W  g我們一直在做改變, 一直對價值觀改變主意, 以適合我們.( P3 B% [( C$ w& b
6 i/ x8 a# `9 T9 A3 f% f
[對] 與 [錯] 是我們想像的產品, 而[好] 與 [不好] 也僅僅表明我們最近的喜好與看法而已.1 j$ L* j4 m' S4 w9 L8 j0 Y
3 z' w; n: d4 ~6 [( V. Q
比如, 以結束自己的生命而言, 目前在我們星球上大部份的流行說法是 “ 不好 “ . 是”違背法律” 的. 我們之所以達成這種結論, 應當是因為這樣很快會結束生命, 如果要花更長時間才結束生命, 雖然結果相同, 我們卻不認為是違法… 8 U8 c+ }5 J4 `- v: o0 K6 m2 S/ W4 x

' C: Q1 y. G$ D6 e$ L5 O比如醫生幫助人自殺, 就會稱為[殺人], 而菸草公司這樣做, 則稱為[生意] …
+ m) _* n$ |! b1 R在我們看來, 那似乎只是時間問題. 自我毁滅的[合法性] 也就是[對] 與 [錯] ---- 似乎只跟它的快與慢有關…. 死得愈快, 似乎就愈錯; 死得愈慢, 就愈為[得當]…, Z! }- U: t' Z  L. C

$ ~* y1 T; N( G! v$ E大部份對與錯的結論都是受群體意識的影響, 它是一個並沒有比人廣泛了解的東西, 然而, j, K: F# f2 I7 b; _2 J  G. z
它卻力量極為強大. 因為每一個有意識的"思言行"都是有創造性的.: x$ C; X! r6 L# j8 o# T

1 b/ }  O: u- N  y% Z4 k( Q! I8 F$ q1 B0 P$ s1 E6 F# f
0 I5 C8 v5 H  [) _
=====================================================
: V7 d% k) s) @: k
$ J7 `+ T8 u5 w# @1 A
8 ^% ^& E& X$ e3 o早期人類的宗教有些是建立在恐懼上的, 這些宗教的教誨是以對神的崇拜和恐懼為中心. 早期的教會要教友”改邪歸正”, “ 遵從主的話” , “每個星期天要進教堂” 否則神就會懲罰你, 不進教堂就會被宣佈有罪.這純粹是藉由恐懼來控制教友, 獲得教友1 O9 w- o3 v, F, c
(憑地獄 ------ 到現在仍然有效)' E* G. A4 o0 @6 n6 p3 F
只要人類仍然相信神是 ---- 殘忍,自私,不饒恕, 並復仇心重, 那麼他就永遠會相信有地獄的存在, 相信有一個會把他打下地獄的神.' R' \3 m9 l; o; I$ \5 Z- A# F3 z* g% M
4 K/ U4 |2 z2 @. e* y( K
看起來人類似乎是無法憑自己天生的秉賦可以為善 可以行為得當. 因此就必須創立一種宗教, 傳播教誨, 說有一個憤怒的神, 報復心重的神, 如此才能讓人守分. * C# X/ B- |  j. y* D* u

4 c. M& C; W( w而”轉世” 這個觀念, 卻把這些宗教的教誨全盤打爛. 3 V* |! p% y% i: q% X

! c  z3 Z" F' D; z# ^教會的宣稱是 : 你最好乖乖的, 不然就下地獄…. 而這時卻出現了” 轉世”論者, 他們說: { 你們這一世之後還有下一次機會, 下一次機會以後還有下下次機會,所以不必擔心, 盡量做好就是了.
. F0 i' R% u- ?
, E$ e! C4 K, s1 O! Z% j$ A早期的教會當然聽不下這種說法,因此它採取了兩個步驟: 第一, 宣佈”轉世”之說為異端; 第二,創立懺悔聖禮. 懺悔可以讓進教堂的人得到轉世之說所應允的東西, 即是給與另一次機會.% C7 [- S$ N; D# W9 f, [! i1 S
7 r/ u' N  I( M- q( C0 ]6 ?
因此人們就設立了一種制度; 神會因你的罪而懲罰你 ----- 除非你懺悔. 只要懺悔, 你就安全,因為神會聽到了你的懺悔,會原諒你. + B" ^5 @0 z. L2 n" x/ P& P
但這裡有一個圈套. 就是罪的赦免絕不能直接由神而來. 而是必須透過教會, 由教士宣佈” 補贖, 這通常包括了要祈禱. 這樣, 你就有兩個原因必須當教友.
( o" ]/ D" @9 u0 m6 Y+ U' o$ c; M0 l: @: }

) B0 p$ o8 y. N4 |+ L' _6 F8 w. F+ j教會發現懺悔很叫座, 於是就宣佈不懺悔就是罪, 每個人一年至少必須懺悔一次, 如果不這樣做, 神就又有原因發怒了.8 ]9 M) Z, @  h
8 M  Z" Q* R/ A8 D/ R5 {" a
但有另一個問題出現, 民眾想, 這表示只要他們肯懺悔, 則什麼事都可以做了. 因此教會又陷入困境. 民眾失去了恐懼. 教友和進教堂的人減少了, 民眾每年來懺悔一次, 唸了補贖, 赦了罪, 回去依然故我.
" `8 k8 @- o: ?! X) ?; ~這不行, 必須想個辦法讓人重新恐懼起來.
% u9 K' _, _( p. C3 n* m, c7 F0 K% }0 d0 M( C+ R: P9 ]6 H9 h$ H
於是, 就發明了煉獄.
: C, b" X* F3 g, [8 d0 D
5 F# M, b) J, H# j3 m( s這個地方形容為類似地獄, 但不是永遠的. 這項新的教義宣稱: ;每個不完美的靈魂, 依其所犯的罪之多寡和種類, 而由神頌佈受苦的份量. 有不可饒恕的大罪和可以用祈禱等補贖的小罪. 大罪如果死前未做懺悔, 則死後直下地獄. ' A( j+ v( v7 }
% o9 F& L; m4 o
進教堂的人又多起來了. 奉獻多起來了, 尤其係捐款 ---- 因為煉獄的教義中有一條是可以” 買路脫苦” …2 ]5 S5 K2 Q! f& P

+ t. m3 B$ R( J$ R! ]那捐獻真正一大筆鉅款的人可以得到大赦. 這意謂完全不用留在煉獄.
% {, t8 j) {. \# V但最窮的農民無望得到主教的赦免  ---- 於是老百姓對這個體系又失去了信仰, 會眾又要直線下降了.
& e3 ~* I. U% _( U: R( f, p9 T
之後他們又發明了”九日連禱” .
) y3 C! G" q6 `6 A6 m* Y民眾可以到教堂, 為那” 在煉獄中可憐的靈魂” 點上一根九日連禱的蠟燭, 唸九日連禱經文, 這樣就可以為那心愛的逝世者敲掉幾年的” 刑期” ,將神要他們在煉獄中待的歲月減少一些. 許許多多的銀幣便給投入了許許多多的鐵皮罐中….9 [0 f" T3 _1 q* f# L
  h6 x2 j# f& u' {4 l
當神創造我們的時候, 神並不是要把我們創造得只能過一生 ---- 以宇宙的年齡而言, 真是無限短暫的一瞬.
5 m3 K4 S; n# [- M
9 {4 V! Y) U, m  x7 R8 W轉世完全符合這種目的, 這目的就是神創造和體驗祂是誰 ----- 藉由我們生生世世, 並藉由億萬種神置於宇宙的其他有意識的造物.
( e- s& {. G2 ~* K0 |& ^, w. H0 Z
6 B2 K% T! L' j/ v  p8 T) g' e[ Last edited by spector.R on 2005-6-4 at 10:04 AM ]
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 09:59 AM

Originally posted by JCer at 2005-6-4 01:57 AM:
: G% o6 |0 I/ e6 I% F0 ]如果世界上真係有神
2 C* h5 i6 s2 \: b有一日神真係出...
% `. y. p& t3 a, I5 f2 P. E8 E$ Y4 g
# Q5 R( r$ _+ n' E8 S6 Y我会多謝佢帶咗我嚟一個咁恐佈嘅世界  `* `- [; ^" A6 a' k

7 J& a" [) A# Q/ l0 N同埋我会問佢平日忙 d 乜, 點解响呢個世界, 無天理嘅事情可以無止境咁一件接一件地發生, 全能嘅佢都可以坐視不埋, 吓吓要等最後審判, 真係蚊都訓
) ?5 }! o& m" g* F/ q+ z
  Y5 G; Y+ V, j2 Q3 d$ M8 |* V口口声声話神愛世人, 老實講, 我真係完全 feel 唔到, 如果佢嬲我唔認佢, 咁我都嬲佢遺棄世人, 試想想, 一個遺棄你, 由得你自生自滅, 唔俾父愛你嘅老豆, 點認呀?
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 10:13 AM

仲有我想問吓神, 南亞海嘯係咪佢攪架
9 f6 p3 e1 d" S$ Y: D% Q2 C# K+ V/ P2 m& [6 I0 F/ y
如果佢話係, 我会問佢 - 係咪好好玩架? 令十幾萬人一日冚包散係咪好過癮呀? 虎毒不吃兒喎, 點認你做老豆呀?
2 }% U9 H9 M1 a1 ], U
" u. E; u6 }$ X4 z* P( A如果佢話唔係, 我会間佢 - 紅海你都分得開, 點解你唔做 d 嘢呀? 睇住十幾萬人一日冚包散係咪好好 feel 呢? 見仔死都唔救, 點認你做老豆呀?
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 10:18 AM

神有權審判人, 人都應該有決審判佢啩, 佢做神呢份工做得稱唔稱識, 大家心裡有數, 中共咁唔民主都肯順應民意換特首, 對神唔滿意唔知點換呢?
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 10:35 AM

仲有我会叫佢唔好成日叫人認佢做老豆, 我得一個老豆, 我得一個捱得好辛苦養大我嘅老豆, 我得一個自己唔食都要留俾我食嘅老豆, 佢三唔識七無端端走出嚟叫我認佢, 我認咗點對得住我自己個老豆呀? 真係點講都講唔通
作者: rest365days    時間: 2005-6-4 10:45 AM

我會好多謝佢咁早俾我認識佢.  俾我明白我喺呢個世界只係度過幾十年, 甚至更短嘅客旅生活.  俾我明白將來我會去邊度.  無論開心, 唔開心嘅事, 佢都陪伴我一齊經過.
作者: jason williams    時間: 2005-6-4 11:04 AM

Originally posted by Gretzky at 2005-6-4 02:35 AM:4 J- ~( B9 \6 r9 ^! D# n: X
% G! R3 h% R$ P" `# C! O

  h0 d, Q8 I; `* FJ," h- Q8 q+ _+ Z+ {/ I4 J

- x& I' I' z$ I9 Z' h9 C-Traditional Chinese beli...
, ^4 A" r- N- D3 T6 T
3 z1 m/ `  Y5 z9 M1 s! G+ v: ?
but did u think know that?
3 ]/ L& o& s$ @% Z. M9 w0 yif really have jesus, then there are none of other religions existing3 {# G) X4 e/ N: q: S
from my christian fds said, other religions are just created by sada, they are bringing u away from jesus, if really have jesus, u belief others but not jesus.........: w3 s2 c& w" }; e) s
if u are jesus, will u still help yr sons???
( f3 Z, S& x2 \! u9 |( l" N3 [# hmany guys also said that jesus did nothing to show us there is jesus7 Z9 N6 [1 T+ g$ I; T* H9 R
but in fact, may be jesus has done a lot of things
- r6 R  b! q; [" u. ]( d9 `! Tbut we never accept and trust, just simple case: there are so many christians and religioners have told us to belief.............
作者: jason williams    時間: 2005-6-4 11:14 AM

i am not a christian, some bro saying or thinking just like what i have thought b4$ b3 }( U& P; m# K' w! L/ \+ R
but, after serious thinking, i can say again, none know jesus is really  existing or not( `% a) s' b# [& A3 ?
if not, dun worry, what we have said to jesus b4, what did we think on jesus b4, even u --- about this, also ok$ Q; p9 h+ A# F+ Z" h$ w9 F7 @# u
but, unluckily, if really existing& K# }, G# Y% j# ]: K+ W
then what will u think???????% v" a2 v' s5 ?$ |
dun say we are good, dun care then, what is good is not we think ourselves
8 r7 R5 Z3 J2 o! Q6 W0 E- j# ]- i" \if jesus is existing, the rule is followed by jesus's, not what we think,. ~% s; q5 ?) f( n* N' q4 d+ U2 r
if really existing, what the true will be what he has been said,
. y) G- m( S- ?at that moment, we really pk........1 z$ ^0 _3 f2 b. `' W  {/ D: B
so try to ask a serious question to yrself first: [If jesus is really existing, what will be the result?]" w( J/ }3 R/ b! o+ N4 [8 p
what i mean is : 說話留一線 , 日後好相遇 ~
作者: jason williams    時間: 2005-6-4 11:19 AM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 10:35 AM:
0 x1 a: t7 w, x仲有我会叫佢唔好成日叫人認佢做老豆,...
/ D( W, k: e$ X$ ]* W" C
$ h- j$ y9 B$ V$ w" h
yes, what did u think is what i am confusing b4; T7 P6 \3 S5 b! }/ t
but after the argurment with my fds
9 E, p+ D7 G* ni tried to understand
( u- z: _" N' ^1 x" ffrom the view of christians
5 k5 D# ?% J) u) R2 b) _% xjesus really has a much much higher top than yr father
# f! q$ w+ }- s# {4 n. H+ Itry to think:7 c! g' X1 I& n6 V
[If jesus is existing]6 ?$ d* j, j- v" r
jesus created this world, created yr father, u..........
  U5 K4 I: |  M% R2 Y6 j  eyes, yr father give u a life
# K1 W) W8 M1 W4 vbut who makes this order? 2 a. x/ [; U/ i+ W+ u8 s; F
is jesus.........
! f$ P( A* M7 w8 {4 s, W& K( bso correctly speech is jesus gives yr life, giveing all guys' life
7 w: d' d, q; gso who is our father then???
作者: jason williams    時間: 2005-6-4 11:26 AM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 10:13 AM:
+ z; @* R; Z- _仲有我想問吓神, 南亞海嘯係咪佢攪架
0 ^$ p- S( o% i. i+ v...
# m6 ~4 h: M$ o& g/ r! m
: I. L" R8 ~8 @9 S; s
bro, did u know that there is a 挪亞滅世 event in christian history?+ j) {- `* P& A( ?, t2 S2 g: G
comparing this with the tsunami, the tsunami at the southeast asia is just a simple and small case
0 H" A' Z5 K- \+ r. dwhy this happen? just simple........punishment% q$ z/ E0 M( b% S2 q  n& A5 x# [
many guys also think that god, jesus should give us all gd things
" k" @- x! [2 Q# F. c- w% t3 l: Y; |but why jesus need to do this?
9 W7 t& C/ m7 {punsihment for what???5 ]6 j) I7 Z0 i) p, h# g8 {
for his sons and daugthers who dun believe jesus
. ?; v' Z4 S% D% Ttry to think u are jesus, u have done so many things about yr sons and daugthers6 T9 {# `# D. y& T3 I1 s. Q
but so few of them believe u, even leaving away from u, scolding on u
# u1 C. P! G( c/ xwhat will u do???+ c! e; v9 Y1 `0 G5 i7 `
just sharing my view, not arguing yr points,
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 11:32 AM

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-6-4 11:19 AM:
5 r; E" ?) W! c  Y; B7 p& x2 `
5 {- X" X: b; U* T2 B
; a: b1 z0 ^3 C2 Gyes, what did u think is what i...
. U+ M9 V" u) C2 Q8 ^  }
( U# @1 H5 i7 c  E6 o4 ]
咁我多謝佢俾咗個咁好嘅老豆我囉
7 p- u+ X; }* M3 ^5 T0 ]& V5 T, y
& x! S' x3 W1 ?) f) e0 e) U, L4 R但係有 d 人一出世就無老母, 無老豆? 你實会話神想考驗佢哋, 神一定有佢嘅安排  \9 u! c" k% N0 [' G$ X& L

; L) z- E8 x! V5 v, {& m咁 d 無老母, 無老豆, 餓死街頭嘅細路又點計呢? 如果又係神嘅安排, 佢都幾過癮喎
作者: rest365days    時間: 2005-6-4 11:34 AM

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-6-4 11:26 AM:7 D$ q- f% N9 d7 j
bro, did u know that there is a 挪亞滅世 event in christian history?
+ s; U+ Z5 _  m/ Zcomparing this with the tsunami, the tsunami at the southeast asia is just a simple and small case
! d( p( L. U% S  a% w1 u& Rwhy this happen? just simple........punishment$ ?/ B- C+ x, p, r! C2 w
many guys also think that god, jesus should give us all gd things ! V# }( P7 G0 Q& m8 c. c% s, c
but why jesus need to do this?
: f+ r" \; ^! G( M1 ?punsihment for what???
4 U, Q5 c7 }  Q" l1 Jfor his sons and daugthers who dun believe jesus
0 x0 g+ U+ `8 C8 _4 Ptry to think u are jesus, u have done so many things about yr sons and daugthers
% w. x. ^. Y3 d; t7 W: [but so few of them believe u, even leaving away from u, scolding on u
/ V/ y! g# F3 ?3 g. F! Jwhat will u do???
4 U6 b' ~$ |# ]) `' sjust sharing my view, not arguing yr points,
* j. r+ G, h& h' u0 L8 p9 Z
+ U- I- O: ]7 O  n; F, `0 K- N8 x& x& R' R. A" f
sorry, I can't agree to this.. we have no evidence to backup the interpretation...  whether or not it is a punishment.. I can only say I don't know.  but there is a lot we can do..  to care, to love the people, and to preach the gospel.
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 11:39 AM

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-6-4 11:26 AM:
- l1 o* P0 t8 [! s+ y+ V# Q# _# O: X/ J7 i7 E9 u4 h6 [' D

& u9 w9 g9 v6 M( g1 n. b2 u7 f, m: G" abro, did u know that there is a...
- r, T! Y5 u' V% O9 G* P) k$ ?
- u7 y/ a5 q, x( r: N

! B! }1 w+ I0 T1 D  o, Q. [5 {; A好似你老豆養大你, 但係你唔理佢, 唔聽佢話, 佢就有權唔声唔声浸死你.... 仲唔小心浸死埋你個好乖好聽話嘅細妹.... 好恐佈呀
! J8 I# i4 u  ~+ Q' R# U* ?' U# k3 s+ t# S
議事論事啫. Not arguing. Just debating.
作者: jason williams    時間: 2005-6-4 11:42 AM

bro singgeihot and rest365days, c" Q! }1 f9 R# Q1 m0 I
honestly, if there is jesus* l' v$ q; @- A( a
he really can do what he wants because what we own now is created by jesus
: Y0 C  T. |: B4 }" M$ P! |we can't blow him :cool:
作者: jason williams    時間: 2005-6-4 11:49 AM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 11:39 AM:
- q- J9 o' ^  P
. B3 R& F7 E. I( r* A. N. I/ \2 \( j# g8 ?8 n6 {3 G

; |% Y8 \/ y7 @好似你老豆養大你, 但係你唔理...
* x  {. _+ D& q+ u( A& b9 ?6 R; T5 j' R- U
yes ga, this is really what he can do if u are the naughty son, but for the good daughter, jesus will not take away her life4 R! A/ r# U0 ]" l: E
just like the case in 挪亞方舟, this boat is made because jesus want to save the guy who believes in jesus and so told him to make it* G6 \- j5 r# X; e. ]
so jesus is not killing all, even the good guys......6 E9 v" a3 q# v% r2 m/ U9 Y
now, i am still thinking, if it is true, i must pk because i have done a lot of bad things
作者: rest365days    時間: 2005-6-4 11:59 AM

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-6-4 11:42 AM:/ J8 f" E$ C% O4 E: h/ Y" d
bro singgeihot and rest365days
3 ^; n7 b) h3 @  t) Y: g* n+ Bhonestly, if there is jesus# w7 A3 i0 D1 x! o- \. j
he really can do what he wants because what we own now is created by jesus3 y# C) O4 H7 o2 l
we can't blow him :cool:
7 e- _+ e' e( r* s1 S2 n# _" t" p; T2 g- l) U" T
understand, my concern is.. the tsunami is a controversial topic..真的是懲罰嗎?  一定是懲罰嗎?  有什麼evidence讓我們把事情提升到屬靈的層面?  就看待為一個自然災害不可以嗎?
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-6-4 12:05 PM

em.. i think it's good to back to topics
) l0 `- ?5 u3 L0 g! J' z7 r3 Cotherwise another non-stopping............... aiiiii....
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 12:06 PM

自然災害? 神全能架, 天地佢創造架, 佢咪自然囉.... or 自然災害囉
作者: rest365days    時間: 2005-6-4 12:08 PM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 12:06 PM:
6 L: l& k! H7 A! ^) R! y自然災害? 神全能架, 天地佢創造架, 佢咪自然囉.... or 自然災害囉
( h; k, Y4 }& j

8 [% ^4 ?! L" _$ H7 j2 L: Mhaha, but the "purpose" may not be punishment...:cool:
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 12:10 PM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-6-4 12:05 PM:9 |% E- H$ p3 h- Y9 L" m
em.. i think it's good to back to topics% ^# E, R- _. m( S3 N
otherwise another non-stopping............... aiiiii....
9 P( T/ Q: d. H: a' s
$ Q/ }+ Q' T" L6 ~6 o) G" Mbrightlee 兄, like I said, this is debating, not non-stop arguing.
$ T! }7 |3 K& o) g' ?# A) M" R1 k. Y" Z7 r
If God means love, I would like to see some substantial love before I can believe in him. Creating something like Tsunami that killed thousands of innocent people for no reason just won't help the cause.
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 12:11 PM

Originally posted by rest365days at 2005-6-4 12:08 PM:$ U7 `+ f) j0 J
! Z7 r7 H4 a4 z/ m

  _+ n: K0 r7 n8 k  k8 E. Z1 @" }9 zhaha, but the "purpose" may not be punishment...:cool:
- D9 r( L0 P/ m
  A0 @- S$ H; Z6 D0 H9 p4 i" vHis purpose is for his own fun and entertainment??
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 12:13 PM

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-6-4 11:49 AM:
( g8 n2 v4 g- _# o; a: I& e8 S' _. p) \& ~9 l7 Q0 R

6 Z: ?3 e) s1 F6 w& ~yes ga, this is really what he ...
+ p+ d! E5 ?* d  p* U0 H, _  n0 ?) p

# i* Y, p. b( XAre you sure that there was no innocent christian that had died from the Tsunami??
作者: rest365days    時間: 2005-6-4 12:19 PM

His purpose is for his own fun and entertainment??
. A+ n* G9 V: j6 c  k$ e
Are you sure that there was no innocent christian that had died from the Tsunami??
" |  S4 X9 r0 S. L
8 }/ k( P" D7 n, ?2 s4 `3 Pthat's the point... you can think of 1,000,000 reasons (including punishment,  for fun and entertainment).. but so far no evidence... so i will keep saying that:  "i don't know", and infact i only care about the people, what we could do the help them..3 @0 F- J4 a/ z3 a) d* c9 Q3 Z) U* F! ?2 P
stop here.
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 12:21 PM

Originally posted by rest365days at 2005-6-4 12:19 PM:
4 n! a3 s' D- L3 B
8 q4 j/ g. ?' M, k1 ^& U
  [4 i7 T# t( i2 G/ y  [$ r# v! I5 K
that's the point... you can t...
0 k6 h- K  v4 M5 f% W' z

; G+ P  B; j4 uFor sure we'll never know his purpose. But this is something that he had done, or could have prevented if he does exist.
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 12:36 PM

Sarah McLachlan 唱出了我的心声: D. C& A: k4 Y: s! q8 F
! H! o  |- F9 u$ h% }/ J# K: f
歌詞如下
' r% c& L2 ]0 n0 s
- M1 \+ h$ H. ?& w& l5 m0 @Dear god,+ Y0 |7 k: {- b
Hope you got the letter,# W8 U7 f+ t8 u# s! u. `
And I pray you can make it better down here.+ m$ w, ?. E4 N5 X" `( X
I don’t mean a big reduction in the price of beer,0 R0 e5 e$ y" q; `# I& C
But all the people that you made in your image,, ?+ p/ @% l: H, w
See them starving on their feet,
7 G0 c& ~. T) w0 A7 G" C’cause they don’t get enough to eat& D2 @3 i$ y4 C6 d4 e
8 |& G/ R5 F  h5 f0 N* _
From god,
" ?$ A  ^; W5 x3 sI can’t believe in you.0 f! w- v8 I; Y/ N

4 _- |& \: _3 VDear god,
& L/ B: F& s6 w; z2 XSorry to disturb you,! Y! E! Y3 N6 d
But I feel that I should be heard loud and clear.
; k  v7 ^- t. S0 f9 rWe all need a big reduction in amount of tears,; D" J+ R" Z1 O+ O
And all the people that you made in your image,# Q) h! H7 O# d) ]
See them fighting in the street,/ K! N6 z8 f: m$ d
’cause they can’t make opinions meet,7 l* K0 Z! q  g. e7 t% b, L
About god,; y* n7 M7 v( Q! m  u! g7 e5 R  k
I can’t believe in you.
2 |* j+ X( I( p5 u( D+ H
+ \$ v2 K4 [7 m& k( x" T4 Z! ~Did you make disease, and the diamond blue?
% s$ }6 L- e, {/ y! D. Y6 {% @Did you make mankind after we made you?
+ y, A2 j2 Q- C" {% m" ^' JAnd the devil too!* {% }& w  S% c9 ~/ d
- l* v, T; p7 c) R
Dear god,. n6 W9 W, v8 G1 ^8 `; h% C, P( }
Don’t know if you noticed,, t" h) D: V* v( q, y2 T+ m5 r2 s
But your name is on a lot of quotes in this book.; N" |7 N( l1 C$ j5 r# L4 z
Us crazy humans wrote it, you should take a look,1 {1 z1 e1 M9 D4 W
And all the people that you made in your image,
0 t0 ^& |/ a0 v# fStill believing that junk is true.
6 Q3 {4 x; i, k- TWell I know it ain’t and so do you,
3 }' O# h  O# \* }Dear god,
/ i9 d( s6 c/ B& n7 }3 WI can’t believe in,% z0 W7 k6 V1 `2 P3 n
I don’t believe in,
3 f! n; ]" ^, g7 o5 g- d# [+ W+ B4 W5 H' \" i' {% N
I won’t believe in heaven and hell.
" n! K: s! m/ G3 {& ~No saints, no sinners,
  ]7 G$ }" v2 \$ P, `9 lNo devil as well.) ~' W4 |, N/ t8 k
No pearly gates, no thorny crown.
+ X3 h: K4 F  ~) p! ^5 U1 z/ a/ kYou’re always letting us humans down.- t, h5 S/ ?7 {" y) K  i  ^
The wars you bring, the babes you drown.
3 X/ E, L/ d/ U3 [6 @7 [Those lost at sea and never found,
. R+ Z- O$ q& C  g# ?And it’s the same the whole world ’round.( s  s9 F% \" s* P5 @
The hurt I see helps to compound,
- u# b. n; b+ @, i7 k" ^2 OThat the father, son and holy ghost,
( v3 X& U" j0 J$ P9 F; ]1 mIs just somebody’s unholy hoax,
( |8 p; V0 B, n! o4 f, S! s  eAnd if you’re up there you’ll perceive,
7 j. X; g- c, q! B8 `* M/ j5 AThat my heart’s here upon my sleeve.6 h: g' T, U* ~- O6 h' g
If there’s one thing I don’t believe in...
+ s, S  i' s' F2 U5 O9 u
" n- `" ^9 P* zIt’s you,; D. Z! {1 O7 o; E
Dear god.
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 12:41 PM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 12:13 PM:
4 o# |- }2 {2 p! E- j4 t" v# \; }" R) [$ p3 L  R) ^* W# m) z
0 n0 p, s( q  \: h" o" R' B! f
Are you sure that there was no innocent christian that had died from the Tsunami??
1 V$ u2 F3 W& Hsing sing, from a christian's point of view, dying is a way to reach heaven faster, they like dying more than anyone does. no kidding.
作者: rest365days    時間: 2005-6-4 12:47 PM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 12:21 PM:+ @4 }7 O0 h( h/ W% R0 a
+ S; R+ z% P3 x& Y8 N

3 l; {( y% w. y8 s9 _: kFor sure we'll never know his purpose. But this is something that he had done, or could have prevented if he does exist.
' y7 b; |9 n" Z) Z

4 ]; Y3 }2 @8 S, ^如果佢唔存在, 你問緊mud? 問點解一個唔存在嘅神, 無按你嘅心意去行事?
8 f! _( m+ h- E, {; P: m' F如果佢存在, 點解你唔直接問佢呢?  
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 12:47 PM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 12:21 PM:/ J. r/ O6 ?7 B' m; C5 t6 E
( d/ v  s% O2 B. ?0 j; ]: t3 H3 T
/ U8 P: q! d: }* x" `  N
For sure we'll never know his purpose. But this is something that he had done, or could have prevented if he does exist.
0 S( v! c+ V) O+ _4 b  T4 r
God arranged the Tsunami on purpose, so he had no intention of preventing it. The occurence of disasters serve the purpose of prophecy, they are there to tell us (everyone) that we have been doing too many bad things lately, and if we keep on doing it, God will bring this world to an end. <---- no scientific theory, just what the priest says
作者: rest365days    時間: 2005-6-4 12:52 PM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 12:41 PM:( b: G0 h1 R% m& e/ H" C  W) i! h
: C  ^7 K+ w: X1 H' |/ h' v  B
sing sing, from a christian's point of view, dying is a way to reach heaven faster, they like dying more than anyone does. no kidding.
3 A# x9 A& v! t* F
! b0 l/ D# V3 M, k7 j  Y7 V
oh really?  i don't think in this way wor... i have a lot of things to do, a lot of people to love.. to preach the gospel. 耶穌未返嚟, 唔好偷懶喎
9 n$ T6 m/ V- A, Lpls don't over-generalize things.. and don't speak for others.
作者: rest365days    時間: 2005-6-4 12:53 PM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 12:47 PM:
4 e' d* N; S- V4 ]# O5 j. Q
: G; u+ O* U: q0 EGod arranged the Tsunami on purpo...
  L- S- O' v) ^! `+ o- p
# C7 ?5 w5 O- i" N
what???? ...
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 12:57 PM

Originally posted by rest365days at 2005-6-4 12:47 PM:+ ]: z1 j$ O* C* S& q
- V% A. j0 \6 R7 M
$ K+ m' m: G4 }2 X3 r
如果佢唔存在, 你問緊mud? 問點解一個唔存在嘅神, 無按你嘅心意去行事?" q* B; k. l7 o! H$ c% f
如果佢存在, 點解你唔直接問佢呢?  
. ]; u7 A4 r0 x. u$ t
  p  S; y% R# ]6 S7 j$ a5 C/ a如果佢真係唔存在, 我会心安理得好多好多, 世界有幾多慘事我都可以睇得好開好化' ]! s7 N* Q: T% O1 F$ F
但如果佢真係存在, 我会覺得佢做神做得好唔稱職, 人類有個咁嘅創造者應該感到極度遺憾
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 12:58 PM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 12:41 PM:- `- ~) f3 L8 N( R: D

* I2 A. l" o2 K! O2 c5 E; j1 Hsing sing, from a christian's point of view, dying is a way to reach heaven faster, they like dying more than anyone does. no kidding.
' R6 O: o& z) e. A- }7 O+ n+ X3 [. G7 v! g2 \  r
v妹, honestly, May their God be with them then....
作者: rest365days    時間: 2005-6-4 01:00 PM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 12:57 PM:) o: |3 [) P7 G' |1 j* D, L
如果佢真係唔存在, 我会心安理得...
, G5 F: _* ?0 i, @- {' A/ U/ f/ i8 z5 K- r
停留喺自己嘅空想, or同其他人傾, 作用不大, 你都係自己鬧神一餐, 然後聽吓佢點講好D
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 01:01 PM

Originally posted by rest365days at 2005-6-4 12:52 PM:3 d8 x0 w" \7 A) A5 g/ ]: q
7 \9 g# _8 c* j* z
* v/ k9 z6 Q- v$ R/ B3 U! T/ p
oh really?  i don't think in th...
% I4 r& r  G' F3 t) x
i am not generalizing, christians take pride of dying. (i might be stereotyping though)heaven is their eternal home and they believe that doing good things and going to church will gain them points. when they die, they feel proud because they know that they have gained enough points to die. they are also not afraid of dying, becasue they know that God will hold their hands and lead them the way. it's an ultimate thing that every christian wants to reach, i hv nothing against the idea, in fact it's pretty sweet. i just dont like the way they force me into christianity when i hv been a catholic for the past 20 years.3 O& F+ \! h/ C0 u. Z: l4 k$ c

2 z0 _! f6 L' p' x) |: H[ Last edited by vivienna on 2005-6-4 at 01:11 PM ]
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 01:03 PM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 12:58 PM:
" g3 \" D- D2 F4 m7 J
6 s8 p3 G  k( U
" n+ Z. k$ m/ r" Dv妹, honestly, May their God be with them then....
! Q0 n/ `; ^- N3 D; c2 W
who knows? 2 L- P6 i4 O8 g
it's a BELIEF. and they want everybody to believe.
作者: 良友    時間: 2005-6-4 01:03 PM

Originally posted by 史艷文2 at 2005-6-4 03:41 AM:; m" `( i2 G2 r# S( n/ M# l

! S% T. m6 I$ s  _0 z
$ x. @7 R( }6 K1 e9 A. O2 C+ r! U+ ]9 E6 _/ g/ U6 w/ g2 Q
一D都無錯
8 Y6 C) q8 d+ y唔信就落地獄,仲惡過黑社會
2 N% h7 y: F8 Z- R" q/ G' N, [, }; Q* N1 A- Z9 h/ t
出世係中東國家的人就一定要落地獄了~真可憐
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:04 PM

我覺得我做人對得住良心, 盡量做到問心無愧, 做每一件事都過得人同過得自己, 信唔信神又如何呢?
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:07 PM

Originally posted by rest365days at 2005-6-4 01:00 PM:4 F* w8 d0 O- Y6 A7 o: q  P

  V" I# z7 M# v) e5 b: d7 o3 z: g9 f3 `7 i, Y
停留喺自己嘅空想, or同其他人傾, 作用不大, 你都係自己鬧神一餐, 然後聽吓佢點講好D
6 x) i  T' n2 h& y- i% R* m) |' |

( E- p" p& U8 U0 y9 K% ^我細個試過喇, 佢從來無睬過我, 好無禮貌
作者: 良友    時間: 2005-6-4 01:08 PM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 01:04 PM:
% g: j% [- S3 X! X  X我覺得我做人對得住良心, 盡量做到問心無愧, 做每一件事都過得人同過得自己, 信唔信神又如何呢?
7 \0 q' R" _4 \2 ^% t: t/ n人地耶穌大呀哥話唔能信佢就要落地獄架。幾能惡,0 |4 k* e- m9 f* m" Q
佢理能得你對唔對得住良心,你殺左人再去信佢都會原諒你架,1 v" A  k/ j: Q: P' p$ T& s
所以信耶穌大呀哥唔駛對得住良心。
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:08 PM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 01:01 PM:
7 F5 x. b3 A; f' y& {' O% B" |5 Z6 Y1 n) g# U$ E& ^/ ]# b
i am not generalizing, christians...
4 a8 \1 w7 H& E+ i' K; ^0 g1 M* n
: U6 F, O4 ?% o; ]) Y0 C% J
好似 26FUN 喎.... 儲分
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:10 PM

Originally posted by 良友 at 2005-6-4 01:03 PM:! }& R  \0 k& u. \7 [$ M' @4 Q

7 ~; _1 N0 X9 ?( q9 O+ l+ j7 Q* K
' |! e; J7 I) D7 J8 A. ^) J出世係中東國家的人就一定要落地獄了~真可憐
( n" O/ `7 e, |  [& F  w
9 M1 n3 ], z2 `1 V唔可憐, 回教又有自己一個真神, 另一個天堂
作者: 良友    時間: 2005-6-4 01:10 PM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 01:10 PM:
% A8 e, w0 G" n) c+ O/ n& U3 X8 r1 d7 I; q: y4 l: q

  u% Z. E& M( }  A# H唔可憐, 回教又有自己一個真神, 另一個天堂
( o* @3 h9 @( Y& r3 N4 F
nonono,唔信耶穌就要落地獄架喇,好慘的
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 01:12 PM

Originally posted by 良友 at 2005-6-4 01:10 PM:
; k; W% B+ L' @/ S1 l9 i, T7 R7 O! z8 k4 _* D# O7 T
nonono,唔信耶穌就要落地獄架喇,好慘的
% O3 z$ \2 N6 s8 O4 O" p跟本無人知。你未死過既﹐你永遠都唔會知道。
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:13 PM

Originally posted by 良友 at 2005-6-4 01:08 PM:
" I! s6 `1 F. c! W( X
' B% p# m, m$ q0 Z  V" `. A* l8 ]人地耶穌大呀哥話唔能信佢就要落地...
7 c3 L2 T) ~  r8 P) W3 M

* b8 \! {. E+ f5 e好似好好福利喎, 良友兄你有無諗過入会呀?
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 01:15 PM

基本上﹐如果你未結婚就同女仔咩咩﹐就已經足以令你落地獄啦。仲有﹐基督教本身係唔比你用避孕套添架﹐不過尼幾年愛滋病興起﹐所以慢慢先接受CONDOMS。
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:16 PM

Originally posted by 良友 at 2005-6-4 01:10 PM:) h- G% f" l9 R

% ?! v! U( w6 F* X6 J" I  ]- [nonono,唔信耶穌就要落地獄架喇,好慘的
$ j5 L, H7 F1 u7 W$ S
0 C2 z) \" l& l" @又好似係喎, 俾你講到驚驚地添
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:18 PM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 01:15 PM:
) Q7 |5 N! G' T& a$ E基本上﹐如果你未結婚就同女仔咩咩﹐...
/ H& B9 ^$ W. {$ g

' p; B5 d- ~' b$ |/ E" V雖然無乜 Principle, 但好 flexible 喎, ! _/ z* r1 q4 }8 Y$ y$ p+ M+ i
Benedict XVI 要搶客就要学吓喇
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 01:22 PM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 01:18 PM:
2 X5 P8 E! t- c" j) Z$ R7 U* e% o, ~! |+ e/ R8 n! |2 f: K
- z, K. c6 p' \, l" n/ U
雖然無乜 Principle, 但好 flexible 喎, 6 K. h# N& c: u$ G- O  [
Benedict XVI 要搶客就要学吓喇
; Y8 \1 b, R" ^! k9 y/ NBenedict 係天主教﹐唔係基督教。
0 |  g1 P3 ^! g) r; [John Paul o係距任內就實行左‘神父唔可以結婚’尼一樣野。; B" W% Q! i0 M: k, r6 S9 n; S, w
全世界最多人信天主教﹐最有影響力亦係天主教﹐我覺得基督教識講唔識做。<----尼句野會得罪好多人
作者: homan~    時間: 2005-6-4 01:26 PM

各位brother 好!!3 z# [9 Q3 |- Z! b* h6 w4 f

/ O3 \, G" o* j( X* {我係基督徒, 希望解答到你地d 問題~
  a% X4 Y  f% m" E( ?- Z. y$ @4 }4 R: _
( S0 o  d' g. n. a) a3 e  @依家唔係要逼人信, 更冇話一定係我啱你錯,  e: c# G+ |' \- F- l
只不過交流下.......ok??
5 t9 @) W6 z; F) y: `# q3 m; q* p6 [0 C# t- A, q5 g( Z
brother, 有咩唔明可以問, 我都會答架
# r% j, s- m! w我亦都會睇番d posting 俾大家知道基督教既立場$ L, \* ?: D( e5 z0 ^

6 Y) K6 b  ~6 E3 z& J5 Y如果hurt到大家, 係度講聲sorry 先 !
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-6-4 01:27 PM

Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-6-4 15:26:5 U( S% O6 e/ D' r) z/ N
各位brother 好!!1 O9 G1 z5 ?' M" ?, L

$ `4 B+ J9 }# I* T# v! L5 M  D+ Z我係基督徒, 希...
- Z& h( N! Z/ s7 ]% B7 R( t7 U3 U, r' G5 ~
you do a great job!!
, T0 y% f7 ]" V7 M" gthanks for your helping in here too!!. N+ S# z* b/ v; ?$ Y4 `
May GOD bless ur heart, and your energy to know more, understand more and help others more in here.
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:27 PM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 01:22 PM:
$ K$ q, O# ^/ x- |9 K1 ?& K% N' d0 O2 D$ H; K
Benedict 係天主教﹐唔係基督教。
1 {* Q+ w/ G- U, k. @...
5 k7 T, m/ b/ D2 l' X; k0 u+ n) e1 _3 t4 b( G2 k! n) B7 u' d
我意思咪係天主教要增加信徒數目, Benedict XVI 就要 more flexible. He is too conservative.
作者: homan~    時間: 2005-6-4 01:30 PM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 01:15 PM:/ ]: L7 |  b* W0 C! Y4 F( X
基本上﹐如果你未結婚就同女仔咩咩﹐...
6 |" V5 f* x8 l. P) _( _# `
2 _: Y* n: Y% j$ E6 v
基督教某d 支派唔得者
& d9 _  l& C7 v" o好多都俾架
1 l" w; _7 Y" v
# v5 Z  C2 _* U6 K最緊要係神既心意, 神都唔想d 人死於 AIDS 架
/ M& q7 ?3 `/ [so...........唔係一定唔俾既
作者: homan~    時間: 2005-6-4 01:32 PM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-6-4 01:27 PM:! d7 j" l7 O4 j/ I( k8 i5 ?/ y
% _8 D3 }/ s; m6 X! q

- x4 q9 G- j  ?' Y) a0 j; [you do a great job!!7 x, j- M7 m, k7 A3 j: R* U" b, f! [
thanks for your helping in here too!!* _) v) [+ V2 r7 N. T
May GOD bless ur heart, and your energy to know more, understand more and help others more in here.
* V) Q+ l1 b( |- U! A0 S

  V! c, A3 {# S# L: l  I; s4 ~哈5 `$ q: Y" D$ b/ z# @3 z
% Y1 F3 v7 ?& t$ E2 c5 ?
小弟都係盡人事' a& L3 X. Z  L( x0 n6 r
唔想大家對基督教有誤解者
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:37 PM

Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-6-4 01:26 PM:
5 O) X/ v8 f, W各位brother 好!!3 H$ S. N, O# o2 i

6 {% o6 z, u( y, ?我係基督徒, 希...
' @/ a& L' v. r3 b2 m1 Y/ U  r' D! N/ }! Z3 a+ @0 O
homan 兄, 你好似係三級版常客喎, 我寫表妹篇嘢你都有捧場, 多謝支持先* @; C' [* q4 S7 Z  {( B3 q
http://www.26fun.com/bbs/viewthr ... ghlight=&page=2
作者: 樂壇渣Fit人    時間: 2005-6-4 01:37 PM

Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-6-4 13:26:* D7 t- U! K: S' d9 d$ F2 W
各位brother 好!!7 t$ w7 c  @# f2 y4 j

8 E$ X+ h/ h' G我係基督徒, 希望解答到你地d 問題~
0 ~/ o# j1 B0 F: v/ g/ K+ o! {" a, Y# Y. Q1 }8 k
依家唔係要逼人信, 更冇話一定係我啱你錯,: C" `2 z6 d0 G7 V7 U0 F
只不過交流下.......ok?? ! g9 ^. T  b% p2 Z+ N2 b
4 `/ L. W9 j" ^+ O) F
brother, 有咩唔明可以問, 我都會答架
# {9 n; t  E- k我亦都會睇番d posting 俾大家知道基督教既立場
0 m& Z$ m; L0 ~1 z" c4 G5 q* [1 V
如果hurt到大家, 係度講聲sorry 先 !  
' Q8 ~( x6 N1 U
4 E  i! c* E; ^既然有人出聲+ F9 v. X4 [/ W* n
我就問下啦* K& N0 w) {+ K' b: S& ~% E: f

1 w, ^/ W: Y/ x% {" b$ U我想問點解我一定要信「基督教」?
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:40 PM

Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-6-4 01:30 PM:
$ e4 w3 {  y. O# ^/ B, ]6 j
9 h$ u8 d% Z3 w  C2 |, I$ I5 N; G
5 Z/ g' c, S% ?6 u. J( f基督教某d 支派唔得者. p5 `' f* z2 H! F
好多都俾架; t3 ]% [# X9 M' `2 u

! ~( Q( F6 v; d4 w* r8 U, |& W, j最緊要係神既心意, 神都唔想d 人死於 AIDS 架
0 |4 j3 p0 C. ]+ E5 nso...........唔係一定唔俾既
2 i, s8 I! [' y0 x* e: g

* H% b+ ^8 M. E& v好茅盾, d 病毒係神創造架喎, 真係神又佢, 鬼又佢
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:41 PM

Originally posted by 樂壇渣Fit人 at 2005-6-4 01:37 PM:. Z: }$ ~$ R/ p" E

* U# z( V+ A+ X8 Z! z
  |) \5 u1 H4 Q% J7 k既然有人出聲- C$ l8 i( y  r( E8 u$ r- @
我就問下啦
1 @+ \2 Z% W7 Y* M, f8 M
3 k# q# S( D  `, Q7 h6 n. \我想問點解我一定要信「基督教」?
4 S. E6 n* T  \9 o9 s4 J/ s, J; a
( m% t" v  I- ?; ?
樂兄, 良友兄答咗喇
作者: homan~    時間: 2005-6-4 01:42 PM

Originally posted by 良友 at 2005-6-4 01:10 PM:: E1 c; x6 \. u9 ]9 o

) w1 q9 o9 Q- M3 c5 \+ bnonono,唔信耶穌就要落地獄架喇,好慘的
; R7 W! e4 P& H( ]8 \0 L; I+ y8 u, x# R; O
係!!!" Q$ ]1 K5 Z' O$ p0 E
# j! t7 Q1 j# V0 D) V% @* s) M
因為基督教認為, 人有罪, 一定要靠Jesus 黎拯救# P8 q1 ~7 G( `+ b7 S( U
因為Adam 犯罪, so 後代 ------- 我地一出世就有罪, 冇法自救 ~" t% ~3 V& ^* K. _! v; {

1 Q  L" @7 K! L罪的代價是死, 依家基督死係十字架上, 代表為我地付出代價 !! * q/ a* Q. d$ ~2 q
佢冇犯罪, 所以得
$ ^+ M( d* U$ l0 ^) l
5 H+ n7 O: F5 W& Ythat"s why 就算好好人唔信都要落地獄
, N) e; _% Z/ I# X, W(況且, 可能睇落好好人果d, 實際係好衰都未定)
. i( u8 A* R6 A" G; T, y3 f0 A5 l  F: j; m1 f5 r
信, 唔係口講就得 !) s3 E- {4 C* G9 T+ M# [
口話信神, 要跟主既心意而行先係信架
# g* Y, v1 g* r& c4 b( ^/ R' ]7 |7 _
$ @$ D- d! F1 @$ o你可以慢慢改, 但係一定要知錯同有心改 ! + r; l) {1 B$ C' k
(要一下子改唔易架)
作者: homan~    時間: 2005-6-4 01:44 PM

Originally posted by 樂壇渣Fit人 at 2005-6-4 01:37 PM:
2 S) i2 d5 H. T$ t# Q, t& E- b7 [. Y/ Q5 E

* G7 j: g- ~7 _$ T$ x' u' u既然有人出聲
1 ]1 z" j4 e: c; L- z1 i& L我就問下啦( R- e% v) k. q" w$ H1 \5 I0 {4 t, e
7 ~4 u2 l0 j7 ^4 n
我想問點解我一定要信「基督教」?
( X: U6 Z; O1 y: I8 j
6 X  `" x2 w3 C: l1 {  g我已經post左, 希望可以答到你啦
作者: homan~    時間: 2005-6-4 01:45 PM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 01:40 PM:
* x3 D5 \3 ^+ P* r* I4 Z* f6 p* X: l$ H! t9 Z) u
/ Q2 r8 ^2 l% J- @9 h5 l' A
好茅盾, d 病毒係神創造架喎, 真係神又佢, 鬼又佢
$ k! I5 U0 Y0 E0 [% ]. s; s/ i9 ^

4 |8 t8 V3 J$ [" r1 q5 v* e你可以咁講........
4 ?( z8 u" |8 w$ w
* W- ~( B! T1 |/ {4 b0 D, f但係世上太多罪啦3 ]5 ]0 O- l3 S4 l3 M
可能係神想罰人啦
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:47 PM

Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-6-3 11:17 PM:
0 Q7 q! E, r' o7 b! q如題.........
& J2 |$ @+ U9 C0 r$ T
! Y9 t% P( @4 O) o( ~( X$ xfor 女: 有冇d界仔心得 ?* f8 X; H: c' Q2 n9 X; C* \
for 男: 想點被人界?
6 A7 }$ N3 Q! q& ?6 E# {0 K# p/ j2 y$ |, c/ P9 F3 q
依家有果女仔friend, 想界仔, 又唔知點做.........* G5 x( F3 d' _- W  V7 K
so..........
; W) T* y* ~/ G2 s% ^3 [1 o7 _$ _. s, |$ q, i; D
請各位有招出招~
2 \3 b: F, J& \9 T) N8 L$ j8 G8 u! O, M
thx~
! u2 D" u# ?6 z

# z2 G+ c+ o7 t" }+ r+ \
/ ]8 h% d' ?3 i* E
Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-6-4 01:26 PM:8 ]3 Z' A5 I2 a5 g6 f
各位brother 好!!
! H6 E" ~1 ]7 g1 S- Y2 q- n0 c2 t) o
4 n, N9 F( i1 w  Z, {8 l我係基督徒, 希... 如果hurt到大家, 係度講聲sorry 先 !3 }" k1 X9 j$ n- K! e( M+ G- |
4 i/ l% Z$ v8 E& F1 N- P9 w5 V
4 I5 o8 q" U" e5 L+ X
+ a  s+ O! ~1 H  T" @& H

5 A& u9 M3 S8 p1 |, @' ]Hurt 就唔 hurt, 不過驚你虛偽啫, 你又捧我表妹場, 又 post 埋 d 界女 post, 牧師知道会唔会話你架
作者: homan~    時間: 2005-6-4 01:48 PM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 01:37 PM:
- ?1 {7 G; G3 F+ u
$ B4 n1 ]; e* I7 }/ t& U. {
% [. s: ^$ Z/ |/ S9 s/ X# [8 Z' Shoman 兄, 你好似係三級版常客喎, 我寫表妹篇嘢你都有捧場, 多謝支持先9 h: @) J7 i, E/ ]* o: V7 `1 H
http://www.26fun.com/bbs/viewthr ... ghlight=&page=2
4 g: z. ~0 L6 Z; k

4 i- A6 K* d1 [+ h& J% r哈!3 w: y1 o9 ~3 v# `7 f  |+ M
9 Z; O1 a7 h* }1 y9 j$ b- m4 Z
咁你都記得!
& M3 T  z2 {3 [# e, C# _5 [我都唔記得lar~1 L+ E4 Q- I* i3 ?4 @

1 R: U- c3 Z' P; a! h好奇入去睇下jar~
; G2 p, [, l" V  B( {3 v
: L, f" X6 g8 ?* Z你見我都係係愛情版出沒多
7 h6 v+ k2 |; P- s
$ l& F! _5 X. s..............( p+ T' v& H0 Z" ]% B" Y
敗壞左主果名聲tim >o<
作者: 史艷文2    時間: 2005-6-4 01:49 PM

我又問下homan兄.$ V5 q9 E; P& }* i# ?6 F3 |( W
1.點解只有耶蘇係真神,其牠一定係假?) x5 W2 I3 T8 c/ ?  `7 u
2.點解信就上天堂,否則落地獄?
# {4 J4 e; a  J. g/ F- N& ^. a$ ^3.(真人真事)有一基督徒黄X光(Victory)他太太(李X玲)
* W  r+ d3 }- }7 h, I住粉嶺的,黄X光收黑錢,嫖妓,講是非,搞女同事,鈎人老婆,
/ `$ I+ S: q1 g# a欺瞞家人,剝奪他人工作機會,偷公司物資,他也可上天堂嗎?
作者: homan~    時間: 2005-6-4 01:50 PM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 01:47 PM:2 x+ I1 U1 O5 M$ C1 |2 H
) J* U% R$ [& S
" G. U8 B& C; P4 A5 F% l

" Y! D# R+ v* t; w4 L- m" H
4 j  a; \( S( Z- C2 l, \+ O* N! \/ e2 M: b+ F5 I

8 r9 T( P" ]0 n6 UHurt 就唔 hurt, 不過驚你虛偽啫, 你又捧我表妹場, 又 post 埋 d 界女 post, 牧師知道会唔会話你架
8 a- }" V* V% T
3 |, ~, x- k) rbro, 有捧我場wor~ , U& e+ z- _& R9 ~6 A: _

  V6 ^/ m! q. u  c: J2 d; E5 q" V我都係幫friend 問下者~~
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:53 PM

Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-6-4 01:42 PM:0 l# @# T: o9 o* ^

# U6 l! U4 G  {+ S: k0 W0 E. Z4 P& F: _+ `! ?
係!!!
0 i7 K/ g  l1 s8 E" ~* R
7 ?* h" V1 V) {- c因為基督教認為, 人有罪...
% {" I7 h* m& H  d" i, F6 |6 g+ f$ Z& j* @$ U# X+ R

; D6 d0 M' |* d. @% ^你咁講, 你阿爺偷嘢, 你天生就有罪, 除非你去死, 你永遠都有罪.... 好 logical 喎
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:54 PM

Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-6-4 01:50 PM:
& d8 z9 @& l3 n- t% L
  V9 |" y9 Y9 K. `4 c3 k+ r0 k
1 R  b' a) i( \5 U& p! Ybro, 有捧我場wor~ + X* p1 T6 n( e1 F

; F, K' _& x) u$ _* c我都係幫friend 問下者~~
* K' z% X. i* x# i* y  X5 g6 G+ |5 d* W
唔係捧你場, 聽你講道埋之前起一起你底啫
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 01:56 PM

SING﹐我覺得基督教真係好虛偽。: b$ T& b/ e. X: _' a. z& b
: r5 D" [- n4 F/ J- H
仲有﹐好多人一出世就出世o係信佛既家庭﹐有乜可能一出世就要落地獄呀﹐跟本無得揀﹐好唔公平。
作者: homan~    時間: 2005-6-4 01:58 PM

Originally posted by 史艷文2 at 2005-6-4 01:49 PM:, F# F* \2 m- T9 v
我又問下homan兄.9 n7 {1 }. U1 v0 j: m+ v
1.點解只有耶蘇係...
% x# Q) l& y$ M1 c& r

- M9 [* ^. q3 I* O) {) u多謝發問~
" f4 c; p: u) g
$ {& i% w  ?* ]; \) q7 j1.點解只有耶蘇係真神,其牠一定係假?
$ c8 x) V0 ?1 H( u5 D0 I依果好難答你wor, bro 0 Q+ K: B7 z1 Y; _* y) W
你只可以係世界事物中見到神既創造8 u$ h9 y) K5 B: R; I; G7 p
從而証明有神..........
/ w5 G) C3 u9 H; q" w% X5 j因為神話只有一果神........+ d0 l! c+ c. ?& M0 w  H
so.................
4 `5 v$ f. B5 r8 y基督教信得一果law 3 {$ h. I* t+ y8 M8 w

- j* {2 \3 y9 ?8 Q3 x0 _6 h& D" f2.點解信就上天堂,否則落地獄?; c+ z* `) W' K- V% c
依果係神對人既審判, 神唔中意人犯罪, / Q, S" T5 L' u9 Z+ U
人做左, 因為神係公正既, so.............
$ g. T  U5 l& n: O  h有天堂同地獄: G5 X; v. M0 w% Q3 M) R2 o" P! Z
2 R3 o! t& s" E5 x$ x; ?+ D  T; r
3.(真人真事)有一基督徒黄X光(Victory)他太太(李X玲)
, C4 H2 d( S4 L+ k9 o5 u住粉嶺的,黄X光收黑錢,嫖妓,講是非,搞女同事,鈎人老婆,
5 w3 z' S% h" p欺瞞家人,剝奪他人工作機會,偷公司物資,他也可上天堂嗎?
4 t9 i& N5 L2 ~4 g5 n& ]/ f5 g! |. R9 o* l4 h
唔得lar~% x$ W  ^7 k# Z8 |; K! {( }
except 有特殊原因, 或者死之前突然明白自己做錯4 y) J0 @* i+ J" E. S) J
真心同神悔改啦
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 01:58 PM

Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-6-4 01:45 PM:
$ ~4 \; I2 C, }' x' u( {, t4 y; H
  k4 ?3 E. t! b$ B+ K  P
6 b. t, x; T" T5 A你可以咁講......../ M. d5 [% }+ H% [( U
( A- y% m* ^" g
但係世上太多罪啦( s' Z; U6 I' Y+ z+ @( f1 D: s
可能係神想罰人啦
  J; |; l6 J1 ?3 b( e9 m

6 q5 e# ~& F# g- ?3 Y0 t7 a, G罰人無晒免疫能力, 心靈肉体折磨足七至十年先死, 好毒喎, 仲話神愛世人?
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 02:00 PM

Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-6-4 01:58 PM:; u  M2 l! g3 C0 |4 n+ m: k8 H
& R: ?4 f8 ]: w- l% q
& Y9 [! [: o7 i2 v  s
多謝發問~ : {  q4 P& ^7 m
5 |* J! o6 T2 C" c4 ~
1.點解只有耶蘇...
) t( ^# ?0 Q* p; d
我想問尼D係咪耶穌同你講先﹐一或係D人同你洗腦呀﹖
; [3 U$ L# O8 m5 c: |2 d如果唔係耶穌講既﹐係你地自己作出黎既﹐甘咪即係Y曲事實﹖!對耶穌好唔公平。
作者: homan~    時間: 2005-6-4 02:01 PM

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 01:53 PM:8 D4 g2 |3 u# a

" T$ C0 E# S9 D( Z' Q
: _2 x- {4 k8 Z: \+ }5 d9 w& Z2 g+ q. j& z8 w
你咁講, 你阿爺偷嘢, 你天生就有罪, 除非你去死, 你永遠都有罪.... 好 logical 喎
! C, {/ n2 `6 h; Y0 q* l; U; r
, @" a8 J: C: c% ~2 f頭先果d 係神既觀念& Q3 X; Z$ t1 r
即係 "原罪論"
8 W. u8 L# I+ N7 H( f6 q2 f- _7 v1 G! ~; K
你依果example, 我答唔到你啦
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 02:02 PM

一個佛教信徒﹐唔自慰( I' I9 X1 W  R* @+ V8 v7 D
一個基督徒自慰。
* Z! m. J1 l# ]- f9 ?5 U( [# ^( _% v3 J
邊個落地獄呀甘﹖
# k' G  U$ z) H9 |; z- A: I
- d% ~+ V+ }; W而我知﹐基督徒係唔可以自慰同口交。
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 02:03 PM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 01:56 PM:& P: J- i6 x$ {- x
SING﹐我覺得基督教真係好虛偽。
- p/ ^* e8 x$ {; k
# {" r! R7 F: s2 ?/ w$ K: }" k仲有﹐好多人一出世就出世o係信佛既家庭﹐有乜可能一出世就要落地獄呀﹐跟本無得揀﹐好唔公平。
+ V! S6 ^& Y0 y6 J, C9 F7 l$ O

; @( E% D5 d6 d( J/ v; ov妹, 良友兄都解釋咗, 邊有公平架
* G9 x% Y8 N% H* K0 P0 T- D$ r
3 W+ [& H- n+ k5 u9 t2 e) ]虛偽呢樣嘢就唔可以一竹篙打一船人, 不過姐姐都覺得响基督教比較常見, 如果唔係我都唔去起 homan 兄個底
作者: 樂壇渣Fit人    時間: 2005-6-4 02:03 PM

Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-6-4 13:42:
5 F; z! v6 g8 E0 ]0 X. |( [/ Q係!!!
. y7 M* |) N2 u+ V/ T4 [8 _- u6 ?) ]+ s' D2 s9 f0 C
因為基督教認為, 人有罪, 一定要靠Jesus 黎拯救
/ M0 \7 \) {% g8 t; F' }因為Adam 犯罪, so 後代 ------- 我地一出世就有罪, 冇法自救 ~
4 c/ K7 Z6 K3 U7 b% S* t  |- B$ R! Y% v, R, }+ A
罪的代價是死, 依家基督死係十字架上, 代表為我地付出代價 !! . q1 x- O1 I9 b6 z8 n# C
佢冇犯罪, 所以得 4 B, ~. s) k/ f# c9 u6 N  @
* f! O$ O$ e: z0 H& l- }
that"s why 就算好好人唔信都要落地獄, q! N- L0 J& x# Y' }2 G
(況且, 可能睇落好好人果d, 實際係好衰都未定)
/ `4 W& ~# }, T+ D; P
9 _. q7 T$ I; Y- M7 q8 h8 ^. @信, 唔係口講就得 !8 J/ ~: _: t, O3 x8 k& ~
口話信神, 要跟主既心意而行先係信架. r7 {0 R9 h* K7 p0 Y& i! W
# G7 C) T0 T9 z7 a( G
你可以慢慢改, 但係一定要知錯同有心改 ! + b3 H3 K/ U$ j+ h  l
(要一下子改唔易架), ~- z% |: |. _

: }- w  W6 Z- M' O
% N3 {1 U  z8 ?' p( T( |  N1 A
. D, P- o1 W( \* w( X您一個對幾個真係唔係好公平
- z: M3 |- B  s3 B4 g% l% Z* U不過我又唔知問邊個- q* J7 A# G5 z, N3 I7 n3 j
唯有辛苦您抵諗d答埋佢, sorry >_<"  p# W# l0 R  W- @& k, {
5 b! S, ^: m) [
紅字個part真係火都黎埋
: O9 l1 N7 K% ^1 M9 R8 N咁即係我阿爺犯法. P+ G9 _% d, E
我要做死一世奴隸
% {3 H- O' S) [, \) h1 a呢個係乜野世界!!!7 f% H" C; j% }. o! B
如果係咁. V$ y, L) c; F" v; s* a
不如直接叫我做太監
& q* A3 {% y9 ?/ m; t3 M日日又跪又拜仲好
) X0 C7 y, R+ z( j+ q; j2 ]好過依家假到出汁- \  @* J! z  Y! R
) p& p/ u/ P, |9 T% J$ N9 l
P.S.
/ u$ @, f) I, g我係以會員身份發言
8 Y  n& a6 Q# r5 S1 Q( D任何人都可批評我既言論
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 02:05 PM

其實我覺得‘信仰’尼樣野好敏感﹐係尼度講好容易嗌交。
作者: homan~    時間: 2005-6-4 02:06 PM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 02:00 PM:
  I' m0 y0 t1 _7 M4 a+ T6 d% B, @. I
1 D- S3 W& [0 W- ?2 {4 V我想問尼D係咪耶穌同你講先﹐一或係D人同你洗腦呀﹖! i' G% \( Z* s' S( U9 s) W1 {
如果唔係耶穌講既﹐係你地自己作出黎既﹐甘咪即係Y曲事實﹖!對耶穌好唔公平。
8 Y+ T- Y6 B, v( s0 _& H4 o7 b) v1 ~5 w% r7 {2 |$ b
brother, 你問得好 !!!!
) {5 c6 N* p) ^5 U% m) [$ r+ ]( f7 a+ W
, W+ ]. _6 T$ j. U, C6 g6 d亦都令小弟反省唔少 ~
5 z/ \+ n! q+ d咁又唔好用洗腦依果字......
1 k/ `* q" g+ b5 f$ K4 o; [) k% X& }0 K/ y- |' a- Z
有d 係神講既.....) I* o  p) G! ^+ F' F- Z% {
至於現實例子果d, 聖經又點會有講 ?# e: E1 c8 k% @" ^
我都係根據聖誕d 原則解答
& W+ r' u# B: T- R$ |7 g) d5 z/ u$ a5 U
可能唔係最好既ans, % M0 k) L( v! Z3 s
但係希望答到你地d 問題啦
作者: vivienna    時間: 2005-6-4 02:07 PM

Originally posted by 樂壇渣Fit人 at 2005-6-4 02:03 PM:+ _* H: ]0 \( \! X8 t

$ t' J- z7 [4 T. [) L# s0 f; s
/ ~- q% ~" \5 z% @2 j; j您一個對幾個真係唔係好公平
9 d- w' m# d7 k+ P4 ^' J不...
1 R4 ^" o4 t7 C( d5 l& k
我好同意你既講法﹐我都POINT OUT左﹐下一代有咩理由要受上一代既罪先﹖
作者: singgeihot    時間: 2005-6-4 02:07 PM

Originally posted by 樂壇渣Fit人 at 2005-6-4 02:03 PM:
# q! V1 q2 k/ q2 V% T% ]% I! \4 O# s; V% w& m, F2 L: R) q. A4 H
! _8 b5 t; f" }9 C  S
您一個對幾個真係唔係好公平.
! c5 m" Y% G) e, t3 y0 y; W! R/ d( H% E" {9 v8 f
神会賜紿 homan 兄力量去說服我哋架喇 amen.
作者: homan~    時間: 2005-6-4 02:08 PM

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 02:05 PM:
. A5 h/ A; r' }% f; H, W$ ~, ]; s# N其實我覺得‘信仰’尼樣野好敏感﹐係尼度講好容易嗌交。
5 s% x$ T, w* N: L4 ^5 b

, x5 T" V! g* G; {7 ~冇錯 !!!
& X4 Y7 e7 A4 H, m9 a! M" e. ?7 Q3 b4 [( Q# q- d  R" L" H4 {. v
bro, 我係度真唔係想傳教
( ~: m0 }* m/ N, D- F" c9 z, A2 m2 _: k
只不過見到大家係度discuss, ( p/ e; q! B+ O
答兩句者
$ ~. z( a4 `' l; ^
. x- O7 X4 P2 |0 y. L6 L- Z6 L如果真係得罪brother 既話) \7 y8 [/ R$ n
真係 sorry lar>o<



歡迎光臨 娛樂滿紛 26FUN (http://www.26fun.com/bbs/) Powered by Discuz! 7.0.0