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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:7 `9 K4 ^/ P0 }, Q; T$ Z& p% [
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:( a+ ]' F1 ^: Q( v5 \: t

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7 c5 I' m3 g* {1 @智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:+ M1 g, a0 U; T

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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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Agree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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8 l" U" j$ |4 b% d政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
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1 K9 ~) Y9 p  Q, t- r$ L! `Thus 姜維 is the best. If 司馬懿 is excluded.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:5 {0 Q3 g4 }, ?; O, P/ S
Just I think, P! H1 w( n7 F% F- t/ t6 v! F" S
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鄧艾：1+2+3+4=108 O% i8 Y- ~0 A, l
姜維：2+1+1+5=9) q0 `5 K' a5 |9 T
陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

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Thus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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& @8 e, N" s' t& XBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.) M( q! w9 {7 e9 K3 @. r% x

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:4 d1 F% U& D( q, K( H9 b

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.$ N6 H3 F7 `+ e

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.