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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:  h( J- I0 |2 v% v4 |" p

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唔計司馬懿呢？

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姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:; c) s" O) D* H, d$ q* C1 x6 u  }7 F
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why?

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:: k, ~0 \% z0 B# S6 I7 F1 p
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" }$ n1 l- @1 Q$ N% m) @2 A5 {Agree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider., G% W/ m/ Y9 @( X2 F

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->8 T9 Z7 ~& ]. f2 y

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Thus 姜維 is the best. If 司馬懿 is excluded.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:3 A! G. o, n9 W5 g; A+ b, w
Just I think
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司馬懿：4+4+5+3=169 v1 g* |0 P9 j
鄧艾：1+2+3+4=10
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維* ?" _  X9 z5 `* B2 t# ?3 a5 t
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0 \) t: K) r) GThus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:1 P- v+ Y4 P( G% J8 U
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->, Q4 z" o) v" q+ ~* a6 K

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.+ S2 [: L; |' r& b8 N+ |

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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4 f6 s0 }5 v$ ?% S4 X) g. D0 r  UAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:9 L* G+ s5 c' F5 l6 x. U

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.