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司馬懿

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:
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姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:
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why?

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:3 l3 \; `: e# E* h: L8 U" K8 }) \
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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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Agree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->4 B/ \9 _! [& {

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2 m  d! y/ c4 Z: e& {7 T+ T政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
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Thus 姜維 is the best. If 司馬懿 is excluded.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:3 d6 J0 U5 z3 x& ~5 ]7 @) U" M& T
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. y/ |/ z. A9 u- Z諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15
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2 v' ~8 o7 o- V+ I陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維" z( ~; m: J  i9 G5 T; B
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮, m& [. b% R* h

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:+ P! I% \) n5 N

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1 M& \+ w* s" x  cBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:' q1 s/ i" X6 X& |
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.% s. ?4 X4 t! [# e4 |
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:( f& z1 }$ H9 u5 u$ X( ^

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:0 K5 h1 k# w/ V  a9 O& U! P

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.