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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:
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唔計司馬懿呢？

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:
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智慧高之餘﹐又打得6 a: z) S: U# J, ?) j3 R- N: y! T

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:5 e) E7 W, T' L- A7 s* ]9 X
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2 I1 g0 E4 D3 i8 Z7 p) k* b9 `but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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Agree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->3 h' [+ z( e) Y8 ^, ^! F7 x% Z) S
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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3 \0 u2 l4 A' v打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
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6 B4 Q" P8 ?1 R6 {Thus 姜維 is the best. If 司馬懿 is excluded.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:8 |( h/ D2 s2 w+ @# \8 f8 H) ^
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第一五分，第五一分
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司馬懿：4+4+5+3=16* g+ w7 N  k) [$ g* e/ w. a
鄧艾：1+2+3+4=10
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' a" p2 ~( F/ d7 Y智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->" o% G# Q- c1 W1 U% I
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
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Thus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:8 A! K; H! h  Y3 I

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:6 h0 U8 C. r# V) I

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8 m+ B6 }5 F# \" j* V* t8 k其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.% w7 u3 }0 H: p( G

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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2 k) p5 v8 q: U3 Q* f& WAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:; I/ A% D$ V" [, T6 N
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.