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司馬懿

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:
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唔計司馬懿呢？

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:6 P3 F2 H8 C1 l/ J3 P" [8 `; ~

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, \7 g; v3 B- p) b7 j8 B智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:, m3 m5 o& ?/ ^: P! K  |

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, B* z% @* T8 i2 ?but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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Agree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.+ Q* o1 Z. u! i; J
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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維
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6 Z, A" q5 n7 \Thus 姜維 is the best. If 司馬懿 is excluded.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:
* Q2 _+ q1 U6 v% m% zJust I think
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諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15
  I: Q1 K- U/ ^1 Z司馬懿：4+4+5+3=16* K9 P1 k6 `% f/ W) p, P* u
鄧艾：1+2+3+4=10
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->) z, D8 L( B& Y: x- s

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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維
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8 l6 u/ w8 P% }4 \6 JThus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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0 x" L0 \# ]4 Z+ A  g! ^: ?but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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3 ?6 W6 p( X' P. Q  QBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.6 J: R7 s- c6 n7 f1 f! \! S  Z8 w" U( @
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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! x2 _( D: }+ @( E8 t# J* v其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:" t% C& Y& Q; u
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

5 w& I. u$ ~' @yes, that's the point.