Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% }+ a# [/ L: ]! _我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 ?1 M2 K6 c+ V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; M- V- \7 \( w" {- q8 Y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 ?/ \! s6 v% \2 L" e# @. A
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( B) o4 o$ d, V: y: L5 t; bNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. `' M, W" W" f) U# W
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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* M, ^; Q, z0 gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ K" J" i' r9 o
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' w: t& d+ D) Z2 \/ O( e
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." W. O& N. p% r- X5 w; U$ a+ A
真的!!這不是反話6 d  w! m4 h5 Q; ^2 Q
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 f% g; _; F- e* S以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" k2 o% B" k& T/ c7 x' |! b1 P' [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 |# ^" F3 E0 O2 P( J# K: v$ V$ e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 h/ ~: \4 ~; rWhat a statement we have here?
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/ Q1 J* i2 v+ u: l4 g, N6 l- \1 EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' I8 R/ P( a& P/ I% Z3 O
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* @/ A$ J5 R4 S: d9 b+ @
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ c, H& j2 K) `5 k( a) Q* n
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 _( |$ z% r$ O" \: {( I: |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# ~3 M5 W) I- W0 [+ j7 H7 u4 W"不信也沒損失") g6 z* \, E; C% S* r8 L& _+ y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ d- e) o- E7 I) r/ rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# w4 U4 c' a' W8 `7 B/ c2 Z

; n- ?: a* y( B3 j" T6 ]- M2 i8 W& ]it's starting because we have sins......
) ~* I$ H$ `  T- ?( F8 [satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) O6 n, [' T. b3 j
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( R3 t  ~% C+ _9 u) Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ `5 S) Z/ }& J" Y: @+ R
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 b' _: r' n4 T這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 t, _; u  }/ O! p+ s- m3 f2 A如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 H2 P5 O9 o( N, Z( j' J而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  i6 v5 i; y/ D( t- z! X
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, T4 v0 L% T  Q0 c+ w好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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, I0 R1 v. }* \/ ?3 [* X3 p$ y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ l" q' D9 C3 n9 W" C
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法8 [4 ]2 {) V4 ~# s8 _
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 r- G9 Y( t) A( h4 F8 z信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: ?) w9 W4 V$ u# T5 s) h

3 l3 u: b. y& q" y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- u; E9 w& X/ }* f  z

  w" d8 p$ s. \( i; \6 a6 l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; A) r* r- s3 x. u7 Q3 }
.............信耶穌... ...

& Q6 l3 K. Z1 q" R! N' B! a* y& pRegarding the resurrection....* `0 _6 X- b" U2 l
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 [4 @0 C! v( q, P

6 H  F8 I7 \( ?( }% d3 C2 BYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.