Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: i. ~- v0 T3 K( H$ {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人. j# Q. a5 C, z* [* G
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' j& I" C/ I: S6 d# E; S
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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  ~) X/ U2 R2 P+ c; j% f% G, A6 n8 zNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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0 D4 {+ @6 h8 |4 J* N5 Imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 v) _4 P) D4 _( |) d2 y
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% t  i! _3 S% r$ Y$ x
我只不過微小的基督徒...................' G; _$ _5 L5 d$ R; C6 w* \$ w
真的!!這不是反話
3 F# u3 }3 |# B7 `: ^因為我是情感比理性強的人
# R1 q+ T& i  z7 C2 o所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( d5 _4 l$ z6 A1 d' q2 M4 ?以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. E2 C( \( Q) f3 E2 g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  `" c5 a; r/ M# W4 {建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?& g1 R2 X6 H4 K  s

, i" R6 P/ R9 r6 |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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7 L# M) M& c  i5 o: b( XI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; [9 c9 k$ A. E/ N: q

5 j3 D* {8 M1 R6 x% p; ~0 \Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 ?- k+ |  t0 O+ e& d% S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"  h; d2 C8 h* m' I! \( J
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." J8 @$ {1 `. n2 b" k1 C/ e
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ O- f4 k+ ^3 ~* x! m7 l5 j: N
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( U1 w; O, E+ v6 e
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 ]( o1 y( [" R" Q& Y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, N+ e$ `, C+ B, d) m導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# H1 j& L7 p' s) w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 }6 |2 d9 ?  k: G0 E# K5 j, j
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法# y$ Y" d. ?* M* g* n
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 i' n7 ?" q" `& z3 L4 m' n5 `: c

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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+ z7 j! L& o3 m3 y6 e以下是其他人的見解,
% ]5 P" F% ^& N1 Q1 y! I2 }看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 Y/ t0 c( P! d# z2 y; X1 e: @0 \' R
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 N& P: g. G$ ^
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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( ~8 d  p& r$ y/ m1 Z# b; G不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, j8 X' S# t* D( C! p# Z
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 V' ]/ y& C$ Z0 i

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ a2 t( _9 Z% V5 {5 K2 W$ m% A
.............信耶穌... ...

' P, T* V) ?6 E1 O" X% hRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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2 }/ c. W% y" j8 i$ {* l. q; Z1 [You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.