Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 u6 z! l: m% l( O* P0 E. l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" q/ a, W3 D7 O& A+ V; j8 LNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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% Z6 J7 Y5 I3 j( ^& g, imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." ?, ~9 Q4 V9 N& P7 v

3 j: B$ T4 J- J7 ]7 K& T5 |struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ @2 X  q% ]2 t$ j1 p! J
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- z, W+ W3 O, I: q( G" k+ I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! B/ |) F7 ], U, s! V# Q9 i
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" j/ a- W- Q- w/ M

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 m: k. ^5 e# W. ]  D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"- \! q) j. r7 M( q5 M; X
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". k) `+ m" r1 u% e
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, I6 D& F/ g' f7 p0 Q; P" J# Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 L- Y7 j) Q& w$ h! W好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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' `) n* Z9 l$ d. I1 }一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: V5 o) G; Z% d4 p8 m& l  j
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,7 |9 t8 k. U7 ^1 D
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* s, \# `$ Z) R' ^8 D! j. V

8 u3 d7 y4 G  i' [1 N4 [以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- G) R" M9 L2 \
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' S' j2 D1 x0 X% Y! r

3 S! ?& Q9 f# _) o同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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. n3 l7 j& N1 f1 G8 f; kRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.