Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 y& {. w" C  ]* N( z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人; N/ R" |. {: w  Y1 W) G& x
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! R: ~6 I3 y0 x  w6 ^道理我知道好多只係做吳到
1 \5 H' B; |5 v, t; M$ t7 a+ I( Y呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  l" t7 E0 |' n& h5 z- A$ a8 S, B% p
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... n$ j" c+ `$ n! S, X
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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: Q( g1 _( g! ^9 z% a: ^struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
) R! b# @7 E# lcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- l0 g% V% o( }7 M( d* J6 s我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 v3 W) H" X1 l
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ x& Y) _) Q3 W3 U9 d以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ R* A9 |0 S$ i9 }
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  ?( r2 v* [+ e$ h5 k8 V) G/ R建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- g8 y0 `# q$ R2 Y6 t  X) C

. ]8 k0 f( v6 eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 r% Q1 i8 B+ C- S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ Y. h% m2 R* y5 M) f( [4 P% O"不信也沒損失"
2 h1 V' H) z/ R7 z9 C3 c6 DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* T3 C# j% Y6 A" U9 ^: ], r
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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- Z8 u' x5 y7 r% Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 {( z  X- k( e( m如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, d  y( r: r: u( T而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 v( b8 o1 f; u- j# C$ X" h
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 t3 {* Z. x1 C7 Z; J! E好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ M2 e- q; H  ~5 ^

4 C% w) w1 b) U一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ I' H3 y( C8 K9 h. p) z# Q! E0 w
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法& [; G. T8 I$ }
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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6 m+ Q3 l6 S$ R, \3 O% w' I宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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' l4 n3 Z0 m2 L" R/ R$ h吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
$ X% V' w7 G# y; p信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,/ q) T' _. I' Z% ^7 d3 z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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+ {2 t1 ^- U6 Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 R0 e4 v2 I0 b

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 P$ y2 \. i9 N
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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& q# \- C6 S) p- y; _: |- x$ d  ~Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& A5 t/ p0 @( v) mYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.