Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; u/ q+ x/ O& b, D& S1 d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 c6 n. P6 V9 F" j) w5 n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢, D; z5 U+ n: l: e1 O  o3 ?
道理我知道好多只係做吳到- e: ^+ Z; |' O
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 K& X% U+ d; p5 V2 t/ mNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 C( f2 U  f5 J3 V

! ^) C+ e1 Z/ ?" D. kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 L. y5 ]( E. L/ [, Z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人6 Q3 S1 z" r) s9 U/ l
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ b6 L) Q  s, _- h
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 X4 U- M( y) ]9 H$ ^. v! ?$ y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
* |8 R/ Z* r2 v  D8 U: Q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* l: P7 Q, W$ y: OWhat a statement we have here?% O8 l5 z! v5 Y2 C3 n. L
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 L; |: D0 \1 [

& ^7 v% l4 k$ L! R4 r3 Y; ~I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 p- ]1 @1 h4 @4 X- K
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ P0 \. {; F7 }  q3 m  H  `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"' ?/ y, Z4 p% m" B' Y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ X3 h# m5 q, K) N  B& ~9 H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......) i9 b% j; d. p# @: c- N) @  m/ S; [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + N7 m- l- a- `0 h; V8 G. G
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. ^' Z) u0 Q1 V* M+ @& @+ S
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) B0 }3 c7 B* J: K
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ r' O. V# o+ y# B! @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) M4 M. n* c8 a  T0 O
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具; z1 N" j2 {+ ^5 x  S
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 |$ q8 a4 g% V5 V, O+ R
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 H. u9 x; f; l9 r2 d
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以下是其他人的見解,$ O! ]; t. \: f2 ?% v" j
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% `  w. y9 s- c# L1 g5 f- z& V0 _.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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7 N$ K+ W% G* X; Z" f1 w! ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* ^5 x& V2 ]. }* a, b& ]You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.