Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 j8 b8 G( _7 b+ }. J
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, w* N) J4 z, x7 `# v" u
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& B* I7 o/ H6 ~7 P. ~
道理我知道好多只係做吳到& @2 v. ~( n# R
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, y' v* [% P8 Y7 e9 WNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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) T) P# n0 e: f. a- h% G7 h: {# wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ i+ K4 i$ J1 x4 H6 a

) U6 b+ [1 q2 g2 Ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....8 d# B" M1 q2 O8 a/ q8 a) O
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& t# h. n2 a3 |- T/ I% u( [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  l, `7 W. [+ K! k0 J3 U7 t
真的!!這不是反話/ s: A6 V7 T+ i$ ?, U( O9 A) K
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# K" ~1 w. x0 l9 x5 I以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 P. x5 l1 {) ?/ B' E' |( j8 B
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 z7 V, g$ I+ o' p7 A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 E. F; j8 p) [+ c5 lWhat a statement we have here?! a" ]( {/ j* y# c
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) g) d1 b% b" k6 i
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* W: c: |" E8 _4 bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
, E4 U2 |- e  Y; e建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"- g! e0 e5 I1 m. m2 N4 Y( T
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 l9 ~" z9 r7 _) v  }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& K1 v+ g; [$ T, m7 G
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it's starting because we have sins......9 {+ R+ O" g! }
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! c( G4 e3 y) }0 g
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' t- X" ]1 @3 w- b" i! Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ E( ]0 ]; `2 [- L用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# p3 {. l4 K, D( ~9 |* w4 T+ P
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( `7 @, o! {" @* Q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 |. K$ t1 d' n  d  {0 t' }而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  Q. K# g0 M5 F( q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 M* f; e) W( Y+ h
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 J0 G: {& |/ X. d. K) O8 w

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- u- e' x% D+ E
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) H. a  g& i0 v% i) c; \# K/ V" }
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- O5 M' e& L( V- ^6 c; n8 {2 B" Z

; [. W) W2 u. L0 L7 |( w信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 y; c( n0 N7 ~% f
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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) R# F- _9 q- J* ^+ N5 u我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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8 w# a2 E& B* t5 g/ J' y# E6 \  G& u" L同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 e( G& {; M' A: I: _$ `% C& e.............信耶穌... ...

: u6 [0 ^3 T, Q- J3 C6 KRegarding the resurrection....8 |6 |9 O$ Y: a" i+ J: U) J

( \: j8 a5 Q9 EActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 T6 n3 y. ]" K6 A
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.