Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' o* U# r" i) m/ g5 D我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ M' S3 z4 s8 B
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& I. ?7 w0 C! d2 P3 E6 P4 y6 a9 ?+ F道理我知道好多只係做吳到: \, L' t; Q& h( u( v! T
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( }2 G4 I+ j, l: h5 e, eNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, s. c/ T% E9 B# e- n+ A
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% e5 ~  M$ ]/ g" j5 L0 f  t
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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$ Y/ p4 K8 J% a4 J6 f& s5 m% Astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 S! O* U# e6 R: H  s8 _cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. |; B0 z. D2 `" e4 O, r+ u
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
6 _8 E* |4 c2 p) A& X3 c8 v所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ x( |9 s# I2 \- C3 \0 I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* I& f* ~. x" f7 L" x8 U9 o8 C  u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 R8 c/ P) M, {5 y. {2 I/ T* J建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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- F: f* C& J8 \+ A' T- t3 `! ]Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; V' r- k, T2 J1 B' \

, V( Y0 \' a& D" I5 `6 yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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+ e8 @8 h" {2 d! ?Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: _( y0 N, d3 Z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"% a7 P, c. ^+ [, j
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; W9 t2 f% l: X% B, H) X: D( ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......6 Q" _$ {6 i  r1 Z  t, g
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / U' ]7 `$ Q$ m1 I4 e% y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
* R7 u4 `: L7 F6 e$ R0 |; G5 B, M只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% M6 s' a3 I7 [- c: ^用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 r- V& D/ |4 p* g* u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! g: C2 w, ?8 R' E如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 S. s, j2 s) j
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# [2 X  @6 l$ {* L) e% R; f9 t

; a0 i! c  @" I4 E. f) g! z3 Q* J導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; \  g5 V7 r) W* Q! Y; A
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
6 ^& l( Y  F& l0 {) O* C$ n改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' S+ V& c! @* U美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., j& E1 _( b1 E/ I
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
2 k7 Q9 u# w4 k+ e( p信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) L' P  U7 M* [. o

: h$ `7 I) c1 N; _) M) l以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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3 U, ~6 g9 _6 A7 E信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* {8 u  E# y- N7 Z$ U( c' ^6 Y0 \
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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* s7 H, [7 f! @: N同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* J2 F$ m2 ?( K" s* B( B- r
.............信耶穌... ...

. O; \  O( o. h" j; y  M. K+ r: rRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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5 a+ U+ G/ |6 U1 I" j) k" kYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.