Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# y: T+ V3 S& R4 y  h0 @- `0 T* }1 p3 \我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 B/ t0 \$ H  Q7 D9 _+ i) h& p
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢9 J" Q  h7 z) ]! P* X6 G  k! j4 a# ?
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
9 d) ^2 H/ V0 i呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! ]. ^; A1 S6 S2 c, }Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 m, _8 a; P- Z! K/ E
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# z5 h& ]( Q6 Q  i# Mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& h* p& J( ~- e4 O, q8 l我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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  b3 n) P- H. h: ]因為我是情感比理性強的人, ^# K/ |& g. ~6 Q( a
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 O# ]) `5 {3 @
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( r% a- y4 k6 _, ?* K% P
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 n& Y' I3 }9 `+ f1 s3 A/ ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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; ~+ M' A0 P1 H7 d6 D0 k. q0 qJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; l) l9 t! h' u) V5 y& {
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 V# s$ m% ~$ |; Z
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  j& u0 [$ U+ K  d( J" ?建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  v/ X2 M4 N5 t7 ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- \* W5 l: U2 O9 h) u
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) I3 H9 w7 ^+ O8 Y: \
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it's starting because we have sins......" y; I. @* x. \
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* Z' K0 h4 ~! ^, r1 Q1 xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& ^+ C4 }0 f5 y9 e0 Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ C7 p# _4 h7 W3 z0 k5 h, m. R
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ e: W+ l2 W) T
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ ^2 t: k* F. i6 [, B! [( a% l
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' j. b; u6 G+ z! H8 u
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- J/ |1 p: A& c4 x4 S: K7 i* D" R# _) j

) ^) d5 e/ f0 S8 D( G1 e導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ m) [/ K: V* n/ V0 W) Y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ r2 c& K8 m) ]1 D

+ [0 q% H8 ]7 N: w( [一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) r2 e  O1 o% N. }
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 @: K2 _" T7 C/ U, N9 F美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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; t1 k3 G1 I, ~9 d; L) ^+ V宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 F* p3 I# f/ t+ Z  p% V0 m; d吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* A) s0 R: K; _5 m
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 z1 B+ j- A0 W* C, B$ U4 M

7 ^2 i1 ^$ h" s/ D8 D6 {5 `9 `" ?6 g我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 O% C/ H, q% r7 x0 @) q
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( z! Z" C/ C! s* ]5 @2 Q% C
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....9 p9 }7 A7 X! t, k) K) U7 o

; [/ z5 }" H4 TActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.