Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ Y* Y' @3 m9 t  W( ]$ ^
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
3 V5 I, `6 {2 k% O又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ o; y* e- U0 J道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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% {. z- B, ]( H' NNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ F, m+ V1 m+ I9 W# C) [8 s0 A( j

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7 \/ d1 P( m& X& I3 G1 Xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& P) _! _5 ?" H, @

7 f2 ^3 X1 V5 b6 C4 }" k3 gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ A- O$ u4 {/ O2 u5 K* ^cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% v0 o8 g" y3 u+ M4 V8 |5 ^8 t我只不過微小的基督徒...................* S1 F" g9 X: S$ h
真的!!這不是反話7 p* I) i5 f- {$ M  J
因為我是情感比理性強的人( B" h, j0 b& v7 f+ L* J8 b. X! A
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 m: Z8 _1 R$ {3 B- T8 C
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ Q# {6 N8 l. n+ m3 L/ [( u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: K3 P( C: s& V0 t. Q0 }- k* }( I* W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 N2 J) }: `# L, b* IWhat a statement we have here?7 ]& ~. Q3 r* i
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- k; c. o% M3 G" h! q/ wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 l, t* Z1 P) p5 D# z4 [+ [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
( [$ ^( N/ D1 LYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% c2 |5 ^& x9 v/ x; v4 Dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......: E0 V! y* Y% F, t+ v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 `; \+ I% h$ a2 `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 w" T  b# M  ~8 ^0 g8 R* C: [8 B
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) p: T4 g/ y3 Z8 _2 Z0 f
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# a: P4 }7 _3 |2 o
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 ]1 t& F' b# H
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! C- m8 l- o1 t5 s
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以下是其他人的見解,/ ]1 }* ?9 F, c7 E4 K6 u3 X5 I
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ |& Y; N1 i9 V' `; |
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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% m+ t1 g# M- I7 `信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ ]1 a' Z4 h% D
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. q: ^% s/ {: M) f5 S
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" U+ x5 t& {. i
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' C  i1 _# }* N; n. t: s

- j# |9 s# e( N* t) BYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.