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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ V$ o' k9 |: p# Y$ ?! V7 r8 yWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???" Y( x" i3 w8 P8 G( R
I was so confused.....
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$ f4 e+ O& P9 r- x6 ?  y3 S. C講到尾都係賺錢
. x+ o4 R  e# _$ S7 Y5 S8 dso銀行可以不斷放款
$ b6 u0 P& x- X' |0 K# @美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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. z& m. Q8 }: \3 cmortgage loan $ l2 |* d" P- d3 q+ ^2 y4 ^+ N) O
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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2 |4 c! j6 `5 F- H>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation): G" G7 o3 ?/ `  P
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
% c" p% t% N2 h+ H. E1 s! K* qCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,/ n; I3 H, b- L6 @; `% Q
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
9 E4 P$ e8 `, J% ^/ {" T' q' vmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,* h$ b! m" e- y5 ]
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
" q' U5 x% R  v+ |3 S8 fAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
7 e! C" m7 x" T- V( \; a& Wsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,1 n& m) \+ W4 _% _
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
* E! f6 C; |4 t4 O+ \/ X1 t+ o! w/ g: Weg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
7 p6 T. B6 Y# o$ o+ n+ Fbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.& F+ a* C9 o+ j9 ^8 X. I

* R) ~# P& r: ~7 u4 n# x  i' Fim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
2 Z. J/ j8 l! q, tin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.7 t, O7 k, v2 s
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
8 Z* _' l7 a2 ^1 EA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
5 o: i/ p, V6 a2 f( H$ CThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ( P- ]2 E# F# v8 c3 Z! E( J
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.( m. B+ q4 {6 f- A  `6 a  l" X7 d
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; N# m& p2 V2 y9 r% ]4 c' xRefer to last example,
& T+ l9 `$ K' z. ]- j& ythat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A % E! Q* t, x2 w: O  S
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand # `$ B1 B5 B7 W9 k  j) d; f
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
$ Y$ w' Z; H  B1 Y# \% U; L: H. `0 Wso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
* }/ L; E* _0 X6 A3 Aall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?! _6 u6 D) J" e" @' d( v

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; [2 I* g4 }9 C# c* ?the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
% W( H2 C( l) bin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
, E- c# [3 `" q7 v, Y9 ?it's the problem of the debt itself.
+ @; N# ~2 U( R# s; t, O+ j" jthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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5 D5 Q6 }7 l2 g$ h0 A3 O5 H+ V/ v8 o7 \全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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( ]( l! m! w2 G: ~% ]( N/ A無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...; s$ F+ ]4 R! H& C) d8 o
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敬請各師兄解答
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2 G% x0 [8 j- D# R1 d8 Z0 tThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
$ K& t! X4 @8 T" G- _, @! \各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產1 {2 E! m. b, s/ t
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高# m8 W; |- q* s4 i; K
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊+ F& ]! |3 D! }9 N7 @1 J
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
% n4 U; O  H7 X) _9 D9 i" _5 X扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
6 a  H+ q; L2 P7 j計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( T! y9 F: ?5 O5 @% s
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
* f5 R. P" J  O) r) ~2 w# {& ], k同埋個市場既前境要係好先得. R7 Q4 t2 i- x4 ~
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺0 L9 H& W% X( C3 I& a, Q  |
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, . F  v, s4 p1 L) I
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%2 e- g  n! c2 |+ {7 H8 b7 e
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁& W8 d5 x/ w1 y
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
- g) J7 [( F/ n1 h但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
$ C( m; ]" W8 u% h" c2 d4 w2 w淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 x6 w7 S/ \2 f呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行0 K* x) x  N. W, B+ E  c0 {
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 d" j$ ?* {9 [; @# E5 s唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 6 q0 L* D+ `8 h; f
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, " G. M' g3 H, Z9 H% W' l0 b
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行  t1 Y) F, Z; u' d0 v" B! Z
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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; ]  r8 I& B- H! h4 e4 A8 d* a* K正係咁樣) ~7 U& G9 {# p& _
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業7 O) y: D( k" N/ q0 w1 A% g1 g
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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( M1 ^4 N8 v* g# H2 ?" [( _/ B( p; V& V再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
- [' t& Y- I$ H3 i3 e. ~: _2 C2 w連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
& R# F) |& p( |一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
( c4 I" m2 K2 j0 R# Z* ~9 Z; L編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 f, W8 r3 V) s( m! G3 l  A( u$ J
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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1 ~1 F# w' d5 M) ~, z其實係..." x4 H5 t2 K% B4 ~4 w# o4 y* a
因為以前未生產, 先消費6 R# ~2 d9 d1 {2 o# y
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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