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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( M, w; }  L/ ^, c  fWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
8 M6 N* e0 h% t+ g2 hI was so confused.....
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8 n& N1 i% Y0 ^  h+ t+ _$ R講到尾都係賺錢
2 A" |5 X; A! g4 Z7 c$ Nso銀行可以不斷放款' H3 L  q7 ]4 Z4 N
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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; _) g. y* q8 t+ |5 _mortgage loan 2 _/ `8 ~0 Y& V2 G, ^) ^
>conduit
& I( `5 {5 c; _0 R) i>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)( f1 L7 z$ {" P: p7 B
>arranger
7 A$ W/ a( Q) R' J- I3 C/ c) C* s>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
9 t8 L. }; l/ R最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
, D+ A% Y& k/ Z# q3 m/ P( lCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
$ f/ b7 k, }/ s- f7 ?5 V  ^more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.1 d. ~- g2 ?! y" g: }& E
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
9 Q  ?, j* V; H8 y* Yin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
' B3 C0 b+ ^- j7 O: PAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
; C1 q9 |( Z3 n+ h; Z! x. Xsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
; h, f! i5 U: R" q& l% anormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
& m/ ~: n+ m5 `5 ^$ M. W% h1 ]eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
2 U7 m& ?; o5 I# G7 I5 E' Z  G' xbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.4 f" m& c- D& y' x* T
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
! K, ?) R7 E. \8 l3 Lin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.0 W8 F* J/ t- {' A; l
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,' ?+ _2 E* r5 A0 k7 p: g0 E3 l
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
0 f$ W3 Q' f8 \, u6 E2 RThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
3 a$ \! q4 Q8 V2 e: Obut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.* x: K8 N% K3 ]4 }
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 t) N7 {3 W$ `1 ]$ ~4 V
Refer to last example,
3 o4 v, f, H8 ~( `' m6 y# ?: {; }9 Hthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ) O# N7 o9 `4 X1 Y
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
; ?7 L( e8 ?7 i0 }therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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6 q: ~* ]. V+ T4 C1 n- T' V1 q' gA->B->C->D->E
. S4 e/ ?' ]  F4 q. Rso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
7 K9 w/ w. x0 Q% ball the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?! g' A2 u, S- b

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
2 l  |: x4 y( ein this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, - p1 X2 m9 P2 M# x3 a* P
it's the problem of the debt itself.  ]% K7 u5 q; {3 q; k/ u
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! r0 y* d5 L+ M' G  y: S小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?% m* E) M$ |+ |/ o9 i; r4 _
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答# E1 l' p- m$ ^% t  \8 Q
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
9 g8 U0 D  m% I各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic6 h/ D& [) f4 N9 ~: g

3 ?- f$ g7 _! }  Q# N6 `http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
" L# N2 d! d# u& q7 b6 G3 D; W" D9 Z當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
4 \$ {/ ~/ q  t; j+ e" x6 x於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊* q! u7 H5 Z' h4 P$ J  M) b
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
7 q4 F8 X; }, U* B7 B* a+ J+ Q! p# A! a扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
& L, b5 p6 K7 ]1 b( G計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺7 e  P. ^' j; U  c, {* ^
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
. Z: E, N: E; \9 u同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
  I- s  O: Q/ U2 H但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺2 [6 e4 D0 c( M; G( E
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
; }4 c" K  n& i* Q9 v* ?咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
4 y; V$ U7 q9 I1 _# M) a, V所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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8 z. [" l2 B! x! ~你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
3 B  d1 ^, g5 [+ x& |但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
* J) N6 C' h( w6 Z$ p淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, * Q6 L- p" {% p, ^
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
( W) U4 f; C1 h3 Y: n咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& ^  U9 w4 p: Z4 |9 K唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" N( E3 L" G4 S4 @5 i淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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! q1 D  q( v' G' y5 |: R正係咁樣- r$ z/ N2 p6 ?9 i
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業% S! [. u4 W4 k* r) w) W) N
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢+ q4 b  U0 M0 W& P

9 ~& B. Z$ V' q( J0 {/ r  ^4 W, p再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
' [6 w7 C1 ?! t1 m連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
5 w" O% N. Q, d6 l一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產& g8 x- ?0 N# M  w
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ B7 j2 \% {/ x$ ?7 d2 p
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...2 ]7 q" ^# @5 U& {% F6 T
因為以前未生產, 先消費( w  ^; c% |/ ^
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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