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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: X+ d5 l) z) q+ e
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???3 a) \3 f- d2 {% n# U
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
  S: i. I/ y, R% s. e0 }& ?) Sso銀行可以不斷放款8 D" Q, l$ V# t) r
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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( k5 w. [1 ~" G- v6 C6 E) G; S3 {mortgage loan
2 D6 M* v3 U7 L9 B- j: l6 U8 Z>conduit
" j+ `6 n# F5 u>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)1 u. H6 q: C8 _" z  V" B
>arranger
2 a  M. B3 D0 N! V: ^6 C>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
' Y9 D1 |- F% T" i6 H最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.0 b2 d" k  L' }, I7 g% m' E
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
& i' W; V7 S2 ?- y) a" j$ c; jmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
4 H1 D6 L" F  ^; {' H. Imain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
1 x0 K9 Y4 p: w4 V. p) c* sin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
5 G* n. x+ e& d8 U9 DAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
6 h! L. q0 F4 }) g( Fsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
# [  v( p  X: Z: Y; e7 ~normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. & e3 p9 @$ j( W% i: r
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
$ N7 H# @" D& N4 wbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
/ `: D1 `2 |+ g- y# Z4 Tin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.( `+ U) @) {4 ^
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,; D' X2 P+ ^8 v* T* B% {  E$ \# ?6 x
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
; b2 T- p- S" Y& P1 q* e. k, ~The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
% `/ p& ?0 o  Pbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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) M3 c7 V7 r, F[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 N0 }. I- `5 S: a* k
Refer to last example,9 K0 M$ x3 o, m  l
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 1 y' K$ E! K1 P& n) b
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand + R8 @) x2 f- K# U5 x8 m  x
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
! u1 q$ n" ]0 r1 I/ ~  A7 oso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 0 z" I4 u1 D: o. Y1 ~
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?6 {' d) ^: ]/ ^, z7 J
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7 J9 n/ i  m9 l5 T5 Q; e3 vthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 3 r) ~2 C  O/ c$ Y, {! H# E
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 4 Y" I) U' k' g' H
it's the problem of the debt itself.0 {6 u; C0 c4 X3 T; O* T
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 T, S0 A  |4 Q8 A. Z# {5 i
小弟一直都唔明...4 u/ _3 V1 O: B+ F0 |9 K! t8 }

% T) @+ x/ U: J" l( K7 V' i全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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" Y. M) u" q* Y3 i( q無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...6 @% y4 {$ R6 t- N
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敬請各師兄解答9 @  b: ^6 b" _! @9 d3 U
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Thanks
3 \6 x, y, G% b( G. T. i那些根本係 紙上財富  
0 Z6 i1 v% r  z4 C7 P) G各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產, [( R" ~! y# o$ c) V
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高( p% h0 S. g' K  c" i1 E
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
+ V: S- Z" H; L% c個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦4 k9 G& C# D2 u" g- ]3 V3 n) r
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
: F5 W1 W# k! H* I: u9 Z計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺7 v8 Z+ T& z& q
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
) m# B1 N- D) }同埋個市場既前境要係好先得& A% G4 e0 m$ `8 l6 h
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
: @' S+ @8 p# A例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
$ {; @: _+ {& s, m  j咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
; C  a6 k9 h# b2 K" A# I3 q所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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' z  ]/ ?% A9 r你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 5 f% d7 ], \- k/ k* [2 @
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, % u) ~, @7 A# [/ d5 u
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, % S' F1 G/ I2 A2 z0 Y, H8 C) c& b& F: p
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行" [( }5 W! e- [7 z) h* I3 X# M/ \
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' n0 x, W4 X, q! B0 F1 Q* T唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 5 ~9 c' A; U1 Y
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
5 D0 r8 {- G. `9 [# M$ z' M呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行0 A: Q! @8 E3 q* ^' Q# m6 T* N. S
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業& A" H0 _6 ~/ }. h2 K" ~! I
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢3 P7 l1 l& _. Q9 e/ n
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,* S  J/ V5 D  i* o! m/ l
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
% N- S1 [" R/ C/ _一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
3 s+ G9 z0 Y  ]5 t; s* F編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" t" r" D: G# ~4 C% T! e- _咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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9 ^- Z3 X: T8 r其實係...% i: G, U7 w4 p1 |5 O
因為以前未生產, 先消費
9 V: m) I2 s% F& l- X. i而家就要多生產, 少消費
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