Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& ?* u9 I. n# }- M: t9 E% b我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' F2 M' H. h6 X又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 b. v6 z, D. k  F# Z, j# d* J
道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 q. j# p3 |- W5 W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: d5 f( A5 k4 ~8 i& ANobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( t2 d8 i9 v; T( k# k( L  o# D0 I

5 _# L7 x9 f0 \1 [6 W0 rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# l( F$ b0 u) ]6 d1 G

% K. [1 W7 h9 g: v* c8 U2 kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 k/ H# W. B7 A4 F& e& P4 Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 k6 p+ v9 |* G  p, l
我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 X5 Y8 R- X1 d7 q& `
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ K. w7 p2 D# [3 n: }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 ]- t4 A8 o6 V7 D: B: `; ]在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 ^  g* _& D1 H
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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- T  ]4 `: q% z; P1 A; F( aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 Y+ _5 c* P' q( y9 w

2 @5 T; {2 q" o/ N' s5 ?. C* ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 {! V4 G, _+ o% E/ @# Y: c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"6 N( b9 }* i4 e
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 v1 U+ q( V" W. y2 J! y2 _3 t
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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# a. H* s8 N7 F8 w3 |1 zit's starting because we have sins......9 ^" D+ S# Y: @  Z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 e2 t2 |' ]2 k: C* o7 b只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* _  P$ _& n7 T" h3 Q9 {4 ?用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ @: l4 H) `- a7 Z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ j$ m  Y) T: t$ v$ \如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 T9 k& @& y2 j* t+ s7 N! V而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% n) y( B$ E- [+ Y( d

) j+ ?. L- I3 P# \6 b5 M- j導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# `0 }8 [& M% o5 l" Z7 z0 m2 w  F好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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/ U1 F4 c3 C# n# z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
. O' S& r, d7 O/ {2 @改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
( f" U) b9 c5 x3 o美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具8 o/ X. [6 l( e7 ^: _+ X+ i
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 F+ ?5 g  e8 [" J( U5 s$ d
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* x5 @% v& t/ ~. h$ B

- p2 w; w: n. O1 c以下是其他人的見解,
, a0 `5 F' P( [1 M看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ z0 c: D1 v  z/ F+ Q& Q

" M& H) T3 P; Z, V. F* y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# `) ?; A1 x) _4 Z9 m& K% {

8 R3 [" ]5 |; N我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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3 Z* D0 t) m6 u3 j8 A同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 B: f( T; y5 V$ Y
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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; U! E% p, a8 K* y8 `" GActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) b. S- t" \! V& }" S! b  y9 _

. A' Q( S2 q3 {: z; J; H2 u' l/ uYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.