Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 L7 n, ?: I' a8 L" k7 i7 d
道理我知道好多只係做吳到" V1 c: V1 R) C' a; O, c
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 F' ]( J) l/ z, Y  M% x) X9 k
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( V$ H/ p; a# f5 R, F/ \
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# K* T* S, q/ V
我只不過微小的基督徒...................& c% J3 B0 w8 L0 u4 o, S. A
真的!!這不是反話
& f- B/ N, \- [- j9 @因為我是情感比理性強的人6 e$ L+ R( ^2 w- \% r2 n
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 t" B& q/ g' I6 S( @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 c0 `3 o! O) t0 L
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 N/ S# a3 L" L1 n2 U, o" R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 c0 J4 Y* l# S9 uWhat a statement we have here?7 i6 U* s- z6 g& k" V, J
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / \! \. m* V. Q8 w3 ~

# G8 h# q# H* m) ^I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* [% A+ J" [' E; d4 U4 ~6 U' W7 _! n

' h7 K! d! p# L* aLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ r  J& Q0 N3 A- k4 d
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 m& M& |4 X& T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
2 R$ F. l( ]6 x0 j) R" U1 NYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; s0 E2 y; M) y
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., S" t3 l# z# m. o
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it's starting because we have sins......- I8 H0 G- c+ W6 N: _6 Z3 A( I
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 m) i) ^; t. Z* z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 S6 \# J# W/ K; p
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 n5 X' S# |7 g) ~+ g" k
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: z8 @, r% u- w4 ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, A# R+ A4 g. p- ]1 b' S
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 ^2 F, s% Z1 }& T2 u0 C+ I  A
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ Z5 S6 u$ s2 R% G9 o. v, u
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# ~3 C+ }1 |/ E9 E! S一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 x9 Z+ z0 k3 K3 d0 V' J( o
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* L5 U. g& [* a美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ Y, t6 n( R+ x3 X' v! |# Y$ ]# W5 `
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ z7 b6 n+ D9 V5 Y) S0 L9 \& c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 q4 H6 X- M: @2 W- a

( C$ K* G! V  F# r以下是其他人的見解,
4 B3 [' d' l) [- w2 E) F0 _看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 @; U0 K( G, ?1 D& S+ d
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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) |  }0 H% F6 P: x! ~; }$ S我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, v" B/ G" n/ f9 O) H5 `7 V

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 u$ c+ B' m' I9 @
.............信耶穌... ...

+ s* W9 H( h- e7 p$ F; O- P# X, J: ~Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.