Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, u; D" u- X6 w- Y' H8 ~" S+ \# ]1 Y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- {4 Z. g5 b  C

. O# x/ y; x+ f" u* Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" I; W5 P7 v' l9 Hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* X6 g# [- `% m* s6 Z" I! o, R
我只不過微小的基督徒.................... F) }7 w6 E6 I( ~* K4 l% G; p
真的!!這不是反話* |. h2 v/ Q# t7 b# l
因為我是情感比理性強的人
" \! ]7 i! T) H' j0 ?& _! Z4 y( _( [所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 W( T# ~0 P2 J( X" K以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, [0 n' a3 S8 v$ U+ m在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 H1 }2 H& L! ^/ u7 _' ^2 C
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 ?& X0 H# i  `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 p, c2 K2 i! T1 H
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ x' i/ g) C  b

+ K0 J2 e1 b$ h$ }Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& f/ d0 [0 z2 u* O# T建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
! n2 K9 P+ _4 B9 TYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" f3 `8 D9 O* z/ x; t+ Wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ E. h. z+ r- M: Z

( Z9 A5 d6 ?+ Q' u) N) ait's starting because we have sins......
8 c8 X1 w* ~  H9 |: X) \5 Dsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ H% x' G9 V& t2 q. your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 c) I9 D, l" x! H
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: c2 D1 ^7 H: i1 y) I* Z4 F9 R5 @如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) }* y" W, b* K$ A0 y" j- `而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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' `! {, O  T0 d7 L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 A0 Q2 ^& i4 e; V$ o( D- M4 b
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," E0 D/ y8 o" G, d$ r% B

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 n' e  b! n6 p% i7 W* @# }
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 I) U7 c6 I( m

1 U! x+ u' Y( p宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具2 [8 Q  }& z. k3 T* ]# S) f4 f! Z
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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1 b& Q2 W9 Y1 `6 j- h9 o以下是其他人的見解,3 U0 n+ u: t, s& ~
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% f, n/ S' F5 k, S

& X5 y; N! a$ q% |* m+ M不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, i$ {: t- P! C/ z
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ W- u. E. q1 E0 l/ S; c! |

1 p) g- h7 j! ~) a$ ~* I同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....) T! ~. ^$ F, |6 d) p

$ [, t6 a; B4 ~+ C; T0 l) N) Q8 JActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 Z; Q# d" z: ]( x

% }  X, d1 n2 L1 s& @7 A6 EYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.