Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ \' o  `% z4 x1 P3 O- p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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7 u4 z9 `- P  y( p' L道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% K7 o4 G3 W8 {呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, Q4 E, r& J8 ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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$ O: F& t1 I; n) `mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( T+ ^/ z" V$ e- l& }+ }

  Q! }2 ~- x7 O5 a) Z9 Q7 Q! }! zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....! i$ [& ^3 e0 Z% v$ Y6 s1 }6 {  u
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- Z% I2 m7 f7 j" i' C, w
我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 `) h$ `- t5 Q* y9 ?% ~; K9 w
真的!!這不是反話# i$ ~! J/ ^1 V  u2 w+ l% d1 E
因為我是情感比理性強的人
0 |: O+ a: I9 U所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 L" k5 h5 L; i以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# ^; Q- C, [( }7 }( t3 Q( _( v在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 V5 h3 k/ a  r, e, F6 @9 d) O
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  x% [" ]$ ^4 W7 e, U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?+ u" ?1 `) w5 P/ y# G

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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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9 B5 |& ]3 @7 H9 ]Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ j5 I, a( T& |! E, `
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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  x( Z) M4 G7 l0 L1 m: `"不信也沒損失"
5 _9 S$ e3 W# m$ LYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: z% R- E7 f6 Q; ?  H# f5 h( xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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9 h" e& m1 k) u7 fit's starting because we have sins......! S! [& h  q, b' x5 L+ g
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# X9 M: |! z0 r1 H, P' Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 r: j! T3 B8 A+ D6 X
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 }; P) a! f$ B' z& [: E+ L用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& s- U0 x" P( d. Q, ]4 B$ e這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
- v4 Q4 \. s3 B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ \# z' t# s. W* s7 L  }& e' l! R而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 B8 S- O) C! {$ ]* u) ^, x
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( S, y. f0 F( V4 L1 g
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& I: P! f8 K6 T) ^

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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 V+ q7 ~" M8 O1 q; c
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 q. a# ?5 C$ {& E% p
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; R) P* T  z2 s0 x" h8 q
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 h& m6 J, {. Q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& P0 n! m0 t9 Y1 a3 L9 y- L
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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9 x+ Y! O4 Y7 e" ]1 t+ Q# yRegarding the resurrection....# m9 u. ~2 C' s7 H1 |0 A4 x3 \, d* J
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, U% l5 S+ B- u. C- P0 `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.