Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& F* z  d0 p; Z4 ~+ L
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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1 k6 E% G- b+ U) Q: u1 }道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, D; v1 Z' S+ M2 \4 k4 i呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. R0 b4 D& n- s; K# p: c
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, e* c0 X- ]+ _6 F  k& ^, D6 W$ G
我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ h1 q' ?  Y- ^! I
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 V; p5 ^' }/ M( a  [! }
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. P# L& T; R2 D1 k4 b% d, h. {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 ~  B" i0 Y- h  `$ R1 E

: [' A( x; r. \% e; J, EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; z4 r+ `8 h  U( s% B

) u! g! i! s+ L1 H- s0 y- rLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; j+ ?' @. k0 h; g" m0 t3 d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 ^3 _# n7 k) p0 `& V! l"不信也沒損失"
% g; W: U+ X# p3 r: g* {5 IYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; \0 i, B$ Y- a9 M( G
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 h7 H! v4 F7 Z

8 a8 O2 j/ o4 U. U7 hit's starting because we have sins......  O$ g% n3 k" f& f
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 n7 z' e- p. Q; K7 M8 c1 c
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; J, M5 e% q, N4 m6 L+ q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 |) J5 @7 Z( U+ L) v這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, m. G5 J; V3 M. M8 |) L如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 j. N' ^/ x# Z" G8 q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* h& i  [; D- o" v% D3 @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法8 }2 ~5 j0 |6 J5 q7 w% a2 q' j
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- D3 B  Q/ H' e1 c* G6 J, Z: a
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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  D, O, S/ k; x& g2 z" ?以下是其他人的見解,. Q+ r. j4 f* P6 n! k
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 g( S3 M0 i, @$ R1 A3 x) c
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm1 ]' \) p, z; c; Q
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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$ Z; q) {% t8 e不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% K- [1 d  F5 `$ D  c
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* {' R* P0 O2 ?! g
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 W- w  I& d5 M* y3 J" P.............信耶穌... ...

, ~& q# ^! A% f3 ?4 vRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." M+ y& S" X) h1 E* U# d
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.