Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 I4 p" F9 e* Y* i  `. f道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( e/ K) j" O) N" d" t1 W2 \: j# N6 o呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ V  n! E1 {8 Y  l; n% i) U9 QNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! ]/ J7 s1 K; f3 C- C% j( M% ]6 V( d- F) t

8 r  ^6 K7 |" U8 aNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( o. r. v8 y/ J/ n  |$ |; r4 Y

) ^: [" W  q" `1 ^struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  \& w5 {* x1 _) [2 A3 p" jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! ~; z% y, |9 [  _# h' z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( H2 K: ?1 L' q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! e4 t, }) J4 C% v( c
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 x6 A& D9 _1 X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?* b; C! p0 Y: m: K

& _$ Y8 h* K0 Z1 @$ ]& P2 aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * I0 Q7 N' U5 _9 f$ a
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; h  H6 e( E/ D+ L0 Y2 D5 H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: F. ?- N4 |7 ^"不信也沒損失"
' _2 W8 p9 L3 G$ ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 Z) A* g% R, Y; hbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
4 Z' ]8 h. _$ hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 ^/ Z7 {' W: @9 f& Kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# a3 d: k- e/ Y& \' d
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: T, R( T# r$ S7 A- e用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# w* N" t1 O) Y7 U1 G+ _  }# e這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 m: v& j1 X1 ]
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ c9 @2 w4 |* F- c
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 c4 V% Q! W/ }$ A" f1 j5 z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 W/ F: S) ~0 Y$ y4 t4 u

% B- q+ D0 x" L4 b5 C; v一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! H' R5 `+ _" j: Y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' B* U( A$ d2 K/ c1 }& ?# e7 v
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( f& E. d& X  @

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4 ^% d) _5 }" e+ b2 b吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& w/ A1 a4 ^6 J
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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( L" x! V' Q% d7 k- k) P以下是其他人的見解," a, M4 L' S2 q0 a1 u: @9 r
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 `* A8 {$ n' h5 x( R3 Z

6 _3 l# t( Q* G信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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( ~* ]8 a. Z. t我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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4 r. C5 u) c8 D% `: q1 g+ @同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 J" N% i  X" k% I; W.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 E2 \: m& l2 k* G2 e% Z! J* A" g  K

; k: A, S1 a/ m' V6 k. `6 [) tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.