Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- x  o' O0 M1 A& y, D$ R/ y& L6 B我係一個連自己都吳信的人" Z6 a. F% X- o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 t- o/ V+ [4 k! T道理我知道好多只係做吳到  I' L5 y4 U$ u( b3 H8 R' ]
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 Y% I: o$ f* H/ {

  D- z1 c- s- C! K; T% UNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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' D+ f% K0 A, f4 {0 a4 w, `& wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- V$ M( V" B: ~6 t# z

4 p6 \' I9 k, N. t6 Q" D* T/ q8 K# ?struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 S# O4 R7 N3 Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ W" Q$ c9 l4 P0 t3 K* P  d" J
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
+ J* }6 O, ^0 l" h( v真的!!這不是反話
7 }4 V& \5 W/ o* x- k% S1 T$ d( w因為我是情感比理性強的人
( f) X/ G/ }, C' f# B, u$ ]8 Z所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! q! Z# U8 d1 c6 e( x以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 @$ d3 D5 x0 I7 S在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* i  V2 ]' J7 H) f5 g7 o
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
! b! j( K5 a6 c. v/ e& }7 b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ U9 d4 }/ ~( t& z4 dWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! u: s! s1 k% b4 c' B! pI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 z- L! d  }# m建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 Z- Y7 s5 }3 Y2 Q"不信也沒損失") n5 Z$ w+ |5 m: }
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 V) [8 v5 x1 h+ `* ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 B* x: f6 G8 l+ O5 k
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it's starting because we have sins......
9 d: `* w. B2 e* F( x/ x! K  x. \6 Xsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* v. \1 b. U0 H# ^( r0 \5 Y6 Y. |our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% T9 Y# j: c6 `' ]9 j1 R' E8 `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% d# Q; U, X. f+ }4 r0 v1 b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) X- u% X' d& N  |! z9 |
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' S4 X4 j. B  p$ `( v4 w如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 k9 p/ C- I% k% T" t0 g
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 D' Q5 R) j( u) |- ]好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ m* a- w$ I* K- ?7 p- x

/ y: H. H: D9 N4 p0 U! s/ u! t一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 [1 m; h9 a/ S7 O& O
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  e/ d, F( j) K% ^, r. L6 c7 q0 P
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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/ j5 n  x5 \0 i0 ~, a8 C8 e6 e以下是其他人的見解,+ ?, c9 V- L- L1 n& [! i) i
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; J$ Z7 {& Y) p
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm3 i" Q, g5 E) L; s& ^

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 p; u# Z; O" M2 w# v6 q2 g
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) V0 _6 i, L( v' B

7 \; x7 N5 Z* b! o8 I/ F( A8 V我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- f9 T% s- o$ Y/ x

% q4 D# o/ A/ ]9 [) k" H' D同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( t+ u- i& t% b# T" h# V4 t
.............信耶穌... ...

4 q8 D: e) q& ZRegarding the resurrection....
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$ w+ c$ D& P+ `8 A$ A" r1 yActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., u$ \! L5 i* k9 F* M$ l* ~
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.