Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ M3 ]% L$ f3 B
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ Q2 r) q3 B1 u1 H, A
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" E& _  Z1 H; I5 O+ \- |道理我知道好多只係做吳到
& T! d0 B$ Y! D8 o- A/ n. t呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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6 B5 x1 G5 e" g2 V- CNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& d% ^7 l# q/ [- ^( W/ Tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- P' e8 G9 Q/ ]2 {9 l) }cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" J  F* M' P& I% }5 l
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人( A% M( D9 ^4 t, u) _# b& a
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, f+ U  J, K/ h# G
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' k- L1 S9 w  Y. R% u7 b% K在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% v3 L, E& j$ O- t2 Y; Y" D; m; c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: b4 h: I( u* O& ^9 s6 `- T8 u# NWhat a statement we have here?* P) M; ]5 r3 d2 H6 j
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & Z, {" y6 {, b

* w* e$ P! k* LI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* N$ L% T" W/ D( F% ?* O  ]Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 b7 h5 e  K" _+ K# y7 J8 v5 Y

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, C8 ]$ b, |7 d: S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"1 h6 \- f% r; I0 c% w. u
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( l! K; e& O2 s1 S: u& y9 _
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 w; s1 H1 t6 {

) X/ D  @2 L6 a8 d; ~0 u$ tit's starting because we have sins......
$ a4 x! }: u! z0 @( S8 Xsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, L0 l7 F1 m( M2 bour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 N( b  ]6 B* M7 T' `2 D1 s4 w: _
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 k& l; p4 `$ R  O
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) M  ~) K8 D  D6 ?9 D這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) h8 Y# F6 Y; @! {2 R如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& X1 j9 E4 y, J. J
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# q4 P% l2 g3 {8 t

' R7 E; C0 D4 h- s, I, P, I  I2 |導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ C& l5 Q! U1 e: Q( |. E
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) V4 |; L8 _8 d1 i" }: Q

  E0 |5 ]3 a$ G9 {# d) ^一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  Y5 u1 U, [3 C3 F: q$ c% j2 R# @改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
) E( J8 g% t8 C. q0 n  b美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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, Y$ i+ u- }4 a1 _吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 n7 |( {- @! G- n1 u
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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0 ?7 ]1 \/ {' X0 j9 T; Z3 M# ?以下是其他人的見解," ]2 Y3 ?0 F& u4 J- O) S
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 `: z( l( x1 [# g8 N8 M. I
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ a: r2 s. ~! F& J9 t
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 ~/ M% O. U6 R( p不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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2 z" }' Q5 }" y$ ]我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# N" O: k7 G2 t( Y9 P; @" \

, g5 ?" H4 B" T) C4 w' f$ Q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 U7 @2 T  Y( Z2 H7 M: j
.............信耶穌... ...

: v% e# e- B- M* `* }/ yRegarding the resurrection....
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2 }7 A  J% a+ p* Y) `# b7 }8 h& `- kActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 b9 m# W* B4 ]' Q  u3 Y3 L" R# r
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.