Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 b+ B3 J/ w2 O- g4 J3 x
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  F7 y: i/ m0 N: Q1 y1 b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢9 h- O; G1 ^. v& }' W
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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) _5 K7 C2 J3 w! c0 ]3 R8 ]Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 b- w5 ]$ |8 o1 o/ U
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 N' @' `3 y! N& x我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 p* m) K; f6 K1 f- T, Z$ I& ^
真的!!這不是反話/ d) `: _; m+ r
因為我是情感比理性強的人* G. _9 ?4 s6 B5 }* }8 M: ~
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: d  }% @( i+ H0 N以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 q9 R0 t' N( f' z# Q! l在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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% x, _) a, L- Z" _5 L0 Z3 Q+ ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& i5 c# H" O" _I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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% T+ T( _; j; P5 hLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% a9 g2 V& a. I1 L

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
9 `5 K- o& C' ]# r0 ^satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": |- a) q+ h5 Z. y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 B  q& W. q5 K& \4 l$ y0 @
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ L; I6 l! g0 |5 ]9 ~/ G) v而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 A6 B& U  _  v- @4 g3 I
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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# i. ~* ?- a/ E/ ]6 q: ^以下是其他人的見解,! I% J0 u8 q. i  p6 d: U( ?! p
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 j: \" K4 q2 ]6 }

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, P) B. u% e9 ]% C+ W; w
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.