Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 U9 w% ^& h6 y4 [3 N: W1 S% j' J+ G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到* J8 b* ^* x8 J! Q  [
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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9 D: p$ X, U$ ?5 FNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! O/ I& e0 f5 ~. z) ?struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....  N$ ?+ I( e; Y  o) W, g. k
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 y' T8 L7 F6 m: d; V6 v+ V我只不過微小的基督徒...................
" `( j* H- c5 {  U! \; |真的!!這不是反話
( M$ l) n! B+ [/ Y; c6 F因為我是情感比理性強的人0 u# f, X% R8 {
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* ?! k3 K. q: ]. U以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 z7 \/ d* h! y3 w+ x在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; D" c8 F2 y6 y4 L7 K$ R* L* T8 V, O
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 u  r0 \- W* K  {7 `" ]3 w7 i/ M% x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! q/ u" b' b, [  Z  d4 P# lWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   P3 j% H/ i% C
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ [0 B, V& Y, E

+ y; B+ r+ o# e2 ]# TLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 F0 d+ R9 c# {+ B2 i9 V' C7 H
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" K: H: O# Y1 d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
8 x* ?0 [, C  m( tYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 z1 [5 Q0 l6 {$ M, N+ q% G
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; n0 v0 [4 ]; ^7 a# O" i

$ w( ?$ V& {, U- b" Kit's starting because we have sins......
. ?9 A7 P7 V) }+ {+ o( esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. s3 P1 ?+ i8 }1 a0 y' _% n( zour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( I4 _! s$ U7 B& A9 \8 H. u, v; Y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- |3 B& l8 [# j: Y% d
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," j/ k* N* @( u: ?. F- l$ j
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. W) @4 G* m# D1 b3 H* l4 [- [
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# U8 E0 h. N- _( M5 Q! G而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 z3 p! X2 C) ^: i$ L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% Y( f6 ?4 s% a/ X0 i% _好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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, J- A7 p  H$ P" z: O( s# `一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( f- I+ _) {, [( A7 M: l1 d
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法+ E3 M. @+ ~3 W( s
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! r7 o4 F2 T$ q4 q宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 _8 q- E* w8 g5 I; l3 g, `

, z4 N& {2 W1 W5 E吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 u1 j( L$ c% a! j/ O
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  Y- N5 _, h# R' a7 K
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以下是其他人的見解,' C, u- M) U& ?% O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' T! z- X" |- O  `% q! F! O: i& K

0 u; [& Q, k/ O6 q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; Y! ^7 E, _5 U- z
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
; m  \7 H1 p+ v2 r  d9 ].............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.