Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 g/ H7 f1 Q: ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 A, Y1 I9 ]% h( o" l

2 a9 j: I# C% X) ?Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) w  I, T$ g7 d2 c

, G: N/ v' e4 I& I% }3 \" A! [* Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... H, E" A: q8 _

) o5 N/ ?; Y% ~4 c5 Y: Pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 @; T! h! S7 S& h
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
) s2 M$ G4 Z) T2 R% v  s我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 V1 _3 a! x* }2 g
真的!!這不是反話4 ~2 v. A, f0 G& ], m$ A* ]
因為我是情感比理性強的人
  i1 I9 O, e: D' Z/ v! I所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; v5 ^3 m9 `7 r# |$ ?7 g以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' V( u  l/ k4 W4 c! y. S* h% s
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; ~% Y* M) i. X  H$ P$ c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?$ ^, J. _( k  ~- v) u! [
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   ^/ y% r: z" u; {9 m/ F

3 w$ R5 J) l# G  s% W4 Q& @I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! |! i4 n" L$ |/ g# ~! W6 D; z" q# Q
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 s( P- [2 D8 J5 \1 e建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
/ Y- b  V. t/ _9 [Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ e7 o& `9 X  ~7 ~) {  Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." L$ ?7 _. G0 \( d4 q! g
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it's starting because we have sins......( ~$ e& R8 T" w
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - ]  _& K% V7 o# c5 S7 l
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 ?+ `0 h" r# r只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 r9 ~8 ]/ [% y/ o7 M$ B) o) n- j用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* d7 Y" |/ `% ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  ]6 S/ Q4 b4 t! O8 e  @+ R如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ d* p/ e- ?5 K! m* L
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ j: W7 J' S2 j3 i, v! U: _

6 @: B  f2 L! J' @; [$ G1 y4 h導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' d/ T# V' n# D$ E3 h+ q) j+ a好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# I% Y4 O/ j% n$ @; w一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
: `* S4 R9 C1 y# K改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 o0 q. ~! C/ j# w  k美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...; B5 l* G% `# y  j  V% V8 }* i

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/ T5 N6 S0 X' I5 J) M- c* S8 b吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 I$ c+ W% l: C. ~信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
9 P* ^- ]: N( h8 f6 X1 Y* t看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
5 e$ h7 n, N! @4 ]' C% X+ J$ jhttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm# i  K( i/ I2 E, M3 w

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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& D* l+ Q* ~& l: k& r3 l' w信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; I+ m6 @0 M! y3 @2 p' R
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) H) J% ^% i3 A: l6 p8 u! ]1 w  h
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! \! h& m% |/ p- m
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
- I) o! X/ p+ p" B; z.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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4 c$ @; ^8 y, L0 lActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 a0 q* V# S: t. x* R8 V1 E0 J/ U
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.