Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( M8 L% I. e! o' {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人! l. L# j+ i& }% L- l+ E; y0 O5 Q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 f3 E% T; @3 {8 K. L! [- ^道理我知道好多只係做吳到
1 Y1 [  Y/ Z# H; ]0 h" P; D呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ }/ s  v8 \& yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 }: m7 T5 e- H

3 C; w  |) T. S) i& b0 ~5 \Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( x5 D2 T3 i3 t4 `5 u2 Q/ I
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 V$ N. X8 l& C7 j2 ^

& p; o7 `: b( b" J2 v3 s8 ?& rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( ~$ i2 d0 G- N  S) v* Lcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
) [- c  t9 P! i6 O: E1 o我只不過微小的基督徒...................; g  f6 [$ @! D' i+ _7 I% N
真的!!這不是反話
/ o# @. G6 u2 u. s. ^因為我是情感比理性強的人
+ {" F/ p3 E0 ?所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 E6 I9 b: n( B$ b/ C" {以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 T3 f* P* ]5 S# _* L4 r6 n在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 N2 U, q1 c. t+ b3 a
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; q5 p" Y" n3 }2 I- ], V4 Z; S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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5 w! D3 Y4 [! VJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 F0 f: o3 d6 i2 r' [- w

+ F$ c1 {* A9 P( w- p6 T- NI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 u. P0 A& i6 Q' n. Q
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' U* a, q1 u$ Q& o5 v. z

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"4 x! N* F2 e# k
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- v. g; r; V8 k: rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ r6 y1 R, w5 J: h- F

4 t0 d1 d4 f3 f# j4 nit's starting because we have sins......
, q1 W9 K! F6 tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* e7 t$ `) @6 i6 |0 iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( L$ R2 ^# ^4 O" \# x2 W# u9 l
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  z% C, r8 q. e  J/ t" C
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 ?+ q4 Q5 D, i) V9 Q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 q: h1 m. n9 \7 t: d如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. x4 D2 u3 W! d; c- Y8 v而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! M- M1 I- j( ]& P- e) D
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# I. K. U& S7 \8 r0 P3 R! Z

9 E+ K; P- |- c$ W* ^. s" O/ q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) K2 G8 ^  H  k5 U7 H4 z* e改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 K) @/ m0 T" q) P美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) V8 m# ^9 k; U' ?; n( E" [: x

/ N7 {7 S4 h& n$ O9 k宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具2 _1 J! k7 F& k; p

+ @2 m$ E7 ^9 T5 }: n吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; U. e6 a, @, \* c" e信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. P1 W% J* q& r
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以下是其他人的見解,
# P& y0 A% r; o$ C2 L7 d1 x& Y看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  a6 M" k% N! j- A! |# u
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 z  R3 e4 r' k
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. Q- ~, S% L* D* V6 d" n
.............信耶穌... ...

+ `1 S& L! S& P& TRegarding the resurrection....3 r  y' B6 \! k9 d
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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; p9 a* Q7 B! E0 L! Z; J8 fYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.