Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 K. ~! j% u  P$ y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ P' o3 l5 f- R9 |
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ b! z' ]9 x% e! {" m" g% e
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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3 g. E9 o3 d! s7 D7 w0 R4 KNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& U3 T& |/ @0 N5 Y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 g' a7 j; B+ B7 ^9 D0 g* m# E
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% ]  {- r- H' S7 N8 d! ]
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 j1 v- d5 L  Y5 W8 d我只不過微小的基督徒...................: q7 n( k# d- j* |; c0 f" D
真的!!這不是反話( d' c& B9 p" ^
因為我是情感比理性強的人3 N! s# g" e; v9 M8 }1 W9 ?
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! C4 [  [, A+ ?$ s. b7 x( p; V" C
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 U$ W1 _7 s( H# R- Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ b1 ^! I) z8 x1 A9 e; N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 c' l1 y5 l, h: _: h& NWhat a statement we have here?  f$ n$ s. b7 ?) ^2 C2 O4 b
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 ]1 W% a9 o! c$ [7 |3 _/ r
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- f, S2 I6 S" T9 ^6 q" W
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
, u4 k8 W4 _, t) k, @) h+ o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# ]. u! W9 S: e% _/ W% D2 w9 L: u* u
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 N2 J  V8 t8 z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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) C9 U( o7 l9 u" C4 H5 j% Uit's starting because we have sins......
7 g6 t5 V& V/ v" n/ z0 i6 vsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 ?" J9 q* E3 H這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ I! ~( g7 Z) W4 q  O$ r
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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( w5 _" G. c8 x& {2 C  ?' C美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! g! f; p" O8 I, b8 D
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. t2 J( f0 A, K9 F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& t& i' B. t& w% W5 e$ q' ]( D8 f
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 D& P7 [7 M8 W9 X0 k  F

# y! M- r; R; J$ v% I同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  j; M9 ]( k5 M6 n( l.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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  a! \( z; u+ @9 O! K* F- ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.