Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# s7 j5 N/ g7 z! c
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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0 v) {7 h: p8 h3 w1 I; _9 p道理我知道好多只係做吳到
4 b4 s  H$ x4 m- Z  ~呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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4 p. E3 K6 T, o+ p8 X2 Fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 D6 Q/ ~& p* n, f( o$ V( hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 W# k, n) H( j! q& w$ Dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ m$ \& c: A( Z( X) \  z' B5 {
我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 E: S+ d; `5 a" Q$ P, j
真的!!這不是反話' j( m' F) t) m4 Z6 o1 O
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 i, H2 O1 g9 Q9 q1 v! z7 W! _以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; L4 X/ p' I. Z2 |) M: }! i
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ Z) ?+ {6 k5 p( A; m
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ m3 G/ ~( @* S0 @( x) u$ j; |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 P/ r7 F  F) [( n4 O% L$ V

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, v/ R2 X9 h/ ?3 QLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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2 @8 x5 e0 r" @* ?6 k, A' H:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: e; @# p5 V& Y( d/ W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"; m1 s+ q% |2 V9 w$ ]5 g
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 X: @4 ^; ^; K' y& u$ ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 y1 t' P$ @( H) [& f$ Y" L4 E

# s+ r( z7 g9 x' a4 G1 uit's starting because we have sins......1 Y' N' r/ O& k) T, A1 A" C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 G3 {' s' k: j
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": D/ o# V/ o" R/ Q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- h/ Z! X- E+ y6 U
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* ^' c0 B- B- B$ H
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: c* M5 }0 _. p# Q8 t9 c
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 b. z8 F# P; Y/ s
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, w% [# H5 J: m/ ]! M

3 ~( I& O! m+ o5 h9 _& x" ^導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! I$ J; [, C3 Q好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ a* J. H& [0 p6 h
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具5 d$ ^$ A/ P7 k1 n, L

& H# D: ?" U* T5 R吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ P" u% A1 v9 c9 Z3 V' h
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" ^$ v8 I! u; R* r& F

; G4 G6 z+ j# j9 ^1 y) t以下是其他人的見解,% R8 a5 r: y! ~( l' s6 Q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( ]% B% \, i/ ]7 E/ T  c+ P/ e$ i

* R$ D$ j2 D2 ?信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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7 \# g; z! T, N, T- m# U( p8 Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 H' U' S9 B) ~% u
.............信耶穌... ...

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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.