Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( e+ O4 ?9 T( J7 R9 t" ?我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 d0 T, _" _! v* R% D% w. f: @
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ F4 Q2 c6 V7 G9 B道理我知道好多只係做吳到
3 k: y$ h3 g8 w0 M呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ [4 c6 \: d, }- C2 y0 PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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6 @7 R( l1 X4 x# R5 jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; q5 X5 j: f0 k8 m4 w$ O7 h  i6 J2 G5 j

0 r& E$ F; ^# y) Ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; }) v2 z: a$ g( z9 N1 _
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& o& c; K# y" n8 R我只不過微小的基督徒...................* f6 [; p( J& L0 m8 G
真的!!這不是反話
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4 ], K$ _0 L* n9 Z+ P& T  H- j+ U所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* k, [/ i: T$ |0 K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ o" }) L0 b# {" o! g# B
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- o3 y  _; Z( }4 ~% E6 m4 l% }
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
; b/ i! G/ m5 T建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! w; l& L6 c2 e" G2 Q, X+ BWhat a statement we have here?6 q- K' l8 n# j5 @

! ~5 t$ s% c! O8 TJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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4 A+ x! S2 q6 @7 OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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$ g2 j/ |( m1 ?: X- X0 m8 D0 ~Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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0 q" Q- B9 {9 Q[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 T( h  v) x( z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"+ \# `* o4 F% D6 I2 v/ V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." P, U! u8 g* j5 M/ w
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ g* I( t/ t" ^! ]

- C9 P8 M' [9 b3 W2 X" Cit's starting because we have sins......  k2 @1 Q6 A( [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 e% V) l8 U! o0 P9 |our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  c- g& g, v, ?- T: G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 U$ Y- b* O8 M$ \7 e3 W. H7 l如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& T$ x. z# V* U
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' t& S1 Q. V3 l* H. B2 h9 I6 g

6 \# h2 y7 M8 H, T- }& T導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# z9 R6 M2 J! ^1 V5 @9 ^
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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( x. r, h! Q) L) H8 m6 f: X一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 F. [& _* |- T1 g  i3 u" k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 \1 p2 _# F9 A! U/ q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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& W. s. L5 v% V. g  f* M1 T' m吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 _  i7 \/ h8 Y4 {4 \$ v信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 _. S( G* w( I) J- S$ S, o7 |
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以下是其他人的見解,& V0 |: r( D" Z* f- l" R9 J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 P0 L5 g; ]+ k+ K
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 u6 P4 I( L3 t4 i! ]; I" x) F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, U4 u; ^/ c- w6 J2 U. h, }

' N/ f; l, U: y( d( C我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) N+ H- v8 y$ S
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ F2 m9 f4 C& v9 B* a! R
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.