Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
: F6 G2 r$ D7 z+ I我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 A4 W) s& Q& n+ r* t% G
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- @' ?3 ^3 b( N
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
# v) `9 Y! L  B呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: {* G* ]$ N; T/ ZNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 z  `8 X! l# y5 Z& H; }

) k' e' c. Q8 L2 K0 v3 ONobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 ?, ~! T, D$ q8 X
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 G+ c% a- [6 }; H! S  d' Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! Z+ p# n% p' ?3 J2 _) P4 N我只不過微小的基督徒...................' t% ^3 _4 l) d$ l3 o& `( Y
真的!!這不是反話
  T- X& O  R% a( K! @因為我是情感比理性強的人: l0 U& j. s- W+ a& n3 T
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, T$ N7 c0 k$ E/ a- ]( t
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ S) ]! w% L$ t# I$ I/ I
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... N' G. q/ I/ t# _9 v3 A% M
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 }& n5 p& L( X8 \# P: T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : q' G; @( T0 D6 S& g- X
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 s: X7 u0 x: W& `

' S2 R6 o0 |4 ], m" x$ WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- w+ R% k4 y  ~3 h
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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% g& h  b5 G" x5 K. ["不信也沒損失"* X9 K0 l+ {* J6 d
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 y. L, ?, F  b$ X8 R0 B6 Kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ |# g) T; K0 f9 Q& o

0 I& X  x- {, a4 D% ~it's starting because we have sins......1 m, H5 q" ]) a. Q" J/ H
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* m2 h8 B/ M; i" l5 j7 Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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  n- Y4 r- ?; }# b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 _; l/ k0 j- Z3 |% H
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, c$ i5 V# B0 O, ]4 U( \" }: M
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: V" |; O. K4 k. |! a/ m
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. p3 q( t  I/ o, X+ B% I) H9 ^

% W+ L/ Y- e, l5 L! r0 H導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; f9 N( e- u8 k7 f好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 L7 w% V/ y) g' U* v5 ]改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 Z' Y5 C2 V: ^% a6 w7 _信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 v' S' i" g" @! u* M

/ `4 Q. R8 G/ }$ b) c: _以下是其他人的見解,
) V0 \) d0 {* b3 |( H看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& m1 }4 @8 u  w; ^" }
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. W% `* c6 q) o! `% n7 D同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 S* K: P6 a, s  k- m* m4 {
.............信耶穌... ...

1 k  {, D. ?$ m( v8 k- ^+ NRegarding the resurrection....
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$ s3 q  K" H# t1 v; t& z7 JActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( N+ N8 H% m2 I
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.