Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 {: L- a0 v3 X+ y* T- \, l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  L4 r& @( t# E" }; k呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ h: b6 s# c. X+ P+ x; MNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* B' q% r7 [9 z6 x

/ V. s# K% X5 F+ R# W" GNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 a6 M, `% @5 }' e# v$ S' K* Y/ n
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 A* a# g7 f- V- \6 L
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! h- k# L" h0 y& v, P6 V
我只不過微小的基督徒...................) f* z# R4 |# q% h- V" I: p! [# f0 P
真的!!這不是反話  B7 T0 V) S# Z" w1 W5 F
因為我是情感比理性強的人) s( v5 R1 c4 y1 r* B
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 j* J& B- o7 j0 w4 T  e以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* O1 d$ t' H7 p. U9 f在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) I# D1 U# n4 t3 w2 O& y7 G
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 _# R) `' A$ ?9 pWhat a statement we have here?8 P+ V  f8 T/ F1 ]

% z* ~1 o: v& N, C$ H; |; ]Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 e; A  ^# u5 S1 W

; l$ @- n6 o1 M! _( J) C( Z/ DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
/ v8 x4 ^5 T3 H& m建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 _. h; A1 n! `# ~  W"不信也沒損失"
! t& Y, h) z) w2 m9 w+ mYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 l, T, Y: Q: z0 Y! k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ b0 W5 g; ^( T' P8 }! ]( b! V
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", d0 K# R, V& ^; J. q3 U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' _: e$ E5 [- \% _$ K4 J' F$ ^用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 p* f& T- H! X6 x3 t. \6 _
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 a4 a, O. ^$ m7 q! p/ c如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 L% R; M  ]- V% r/ T* P3 v' \而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 D0 g1 h3 A- ]) Q% B1 u. T

9 z& K# e) t2 E/ U導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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/ |$ `# n8 @0 u8 p2 Q7 I' k一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( \$ L2 H3 F* h6 L; F8 W
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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# V9 Q- j( {/ u吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! ?; {1 l6 u% ~# q+ _% R( K% p  n$ r
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' N8 n& g* Y1 c/ a; E3 S
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& t( [* {+ C- m0 W

" _1 A$ h- F' k不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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1 B: }4 r8 J8 Z+ b9 L' `我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
/ ~" Q4 U0 Q' n( W.............信耶穌... ...

4 J5 u6 l$ S- G6 _1 wRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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% O5 K6 U9 T9 K: A3 Y) E" O8 JYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.