Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 P1 I/ i. @" K. L2 m8 B- ~5 ^
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 }# w. x4 H# b0 q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 W7 j! g; ]  P+ y2 b道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 h/ {+ b+ S' K4 x9 l9 [% R# m. |/ s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" [  N5 ?  N$ H2 J" _8 X

$ A/ x. D8 M  j2 W: ?! fNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: {. z1 ]0 e1 ~7 a1 b+ X/ H

$ r! |1 e" x  Pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: |  W  N: a& |6 V- R2 ]cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ g. W0 M- {3 Y我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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" v6 h  }6 K9 N; R6 a因為我是情感比理性強的人' M4 B$ w2 `# @0 R0 v5 Y; m- P
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 N/ u( \& e+ x2 f6 D以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ R) e5 ~( R# ~* g/ g0 @0 W$ q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 Q2 N; x8 A: x; Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. o/ i) ~0 x) d0 T. I3 C- a9 O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?3 ^7 Q2 K3 {) W! J8 W7 b

0 N# e  i2 w% b( xJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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, _0 o1 ], Z9 }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 |* n3 i8 ]: b4 P
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* V/ B. d8 c( L) m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# ~  E3 I# }) S4 T3 \% Z* _9 a"不信也沒損失"
& U' X" ~' D* V" p; A  WYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! t* d* `2 L! ^) s3 Vbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : \' ]$ d2 H8 e+ U# u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! H5 d) C4 |% Q* r7 ^
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  b- c& G" ?, n- [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 b5 L" X0 s  W. x/ V: b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! J% n& A& f- S5 Y0 u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  ]# H2 I2 J" t* j6 m而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- y$ H  Y/ ^' F6 n
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* S, o/ L) c! i- Q( Q* k好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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) H! n. \0 S9 T* F! V2 z( G0 t一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& u0 d- q. D- `) u* N1 v
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& h, {$ L4 M) c美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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6 n( f* d# Y) j  v+ R5 r# k宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 `$ W7 v( T* w; }. q

! q% C* s3 `, Y. O2 V- j吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- D; d# f& d! s. z/ X* p
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,# ?7 F+ h/ g% @2 j2 U5 S
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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/ @3 g- A6 b, s' t信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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) w( I0 V8 M+ n/ i我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- J* I: b5 g' J$ {4 O/ t/ U8 o

8 |$ |$ C- O( k+ k$ M1 d5 T同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% E6 V6 C/ k  N

( M# o/ ]  S5 r3 b  Q* y# ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.