Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* ?% u2 M$ ^8 x我係一個連自己都吳信的人* z: b' t  q( _; S
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. b6 h6 l" ~" t  V道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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; w0 N& R8 i# T, F6 ]  zNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 e# h) E; T( d' N1 K( z' {

8 W. g" J4 E4 v6 X& Qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! A1 S, |& W; C( V! K/ F5 c/ f
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ _  M: U  W; O: p7 o
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 U4 ?. V5 t  ?
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 E8 _* g4 C; p. i  ], z- q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % _5 y4 q% E! b8 l+ ~4 ?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ V8 Y/ T% m/ D1 A0 H* ]" t+ V& K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"& a- H$ Y! V, q* Q. F
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ B6 v$ _! Y% V6 l9 G# `% y' r  J2 Abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 o! k" v5 R# m2 V" Sit's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% B) S9 ?5 ]& p. W8 i6 V& J
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! D# Z6 X" ]+ [& d6 R) [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 V! p$ M. K  U1 N& R0 p
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 ^, t4 q: m& h4 r8 \4 J( T  u6 G3 b$ {7 h導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* E$ B$ R, u9 j4 B8 r( V
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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  `# A' J5 p) \/ Q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ Q& i, ~) e/ U, t" |* @/ y" l

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+ K  @" }) L6 F0 F2 N" Y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& e3 r( D& d2 d
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: n7 P$ V1 Q3 l; d9 {: T

. ?4 ^0 z' j2 b. q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; P& @. O  m" S! y) b2 P

: [& V8 p7 x3 b: v, g& ]不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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9 ^( k6 G/ c+ [1 j# F, j8 E同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 F# U* ~. T7 @5 o+ k
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.