Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 l2 u' d8 r3 O  R0 Y, j
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到) }) z  y5 u: h% |
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 l1 J1 x, g3 {: B- tNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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" a" L; ~, M5 k0 x1 H/ fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( T; s) ]9 M- J1 j: e8 V
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人; i5 \" w) X  ^7 K& k9 |
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  Y( m7 F" H1 V& L# w以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 ~5 o0 W% S5 y; j- v
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( d! h: Y- K' u1 L" N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?( I7 a0 _4 y* v- }$ f, k
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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8 t$ h2 i2 a5 b* E% l  g( q1 A( q/ ?Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 F) K" m7 [0 ?2 |) h' }

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 N; ]" d+ Q, w2 }: E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 ]5 C% f- G6 Q) S

# ~: ~: o# \1 W9 Yit's starting because we have sins......+ l3 J. Q! T3 P9 v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * {7 K% V) M5 a0 ^1 c8 W/ @# ?
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, l0 s& V* U3 `
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 n* [( s9 C8 O8 w) E而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 G! L! M$ h2 r& @5 X
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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; p, w+ U$ i! U吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 K1 R9 O  x& C2 B( L. M, @5 Y) g
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 h1 C$ P; T- l

/ H" S8 o  g! K" m以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 b8 Z/ i' D/ Q( v4 Q

5 F+ {& a4 y# K& a: _6 R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 G# I6 `' {" }7 B7 c

: M$ `" v7 D4 y! u; Q% F  I7 w( Z/ Y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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& w& |$ v2 `2 l. H# k2 q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....1 W5 l" f; A; A0 [( y1 b$ N  |

8 e; K: ^& y1 i# v* T1 e: NActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# x4 m( ?9 y3 z; Q& j

3 @1 s9 X7 J7 zYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.