Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 L* N$ O8 {9 R/ v8 H: g我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ Z$ \# u8 V. ]5 X- L$ \5 k& p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# c0 c4 i* i+ U4 y4 {. l' kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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( F: R6 g3 n6 H: aNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; U) F6 v; _* U$ I

: @- f7 L3 B7 L9 _struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 ~* @/ n; g' ?, y0 ?4 K- J
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話1 X7 {$ E; c5 H1 m9 S
因為我是情感比理性強的人% }6 D0 F* e3 d) t% a7 I, ]
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... q6 `! X* Q9 ]
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! p4 O: B0 M7 V2 @( r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. q- h3 l4 J" S' T6 ^' ]What a statement we have here?0 ]/ t; o/ T! Y" f+ R5 O
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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3 [6 B, R* f6 w9 OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 G+ y5 Z/ z$ M" g! ?) _8 w
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 w& z; Q7 B: I; L  ~: I. e' d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 J9 s) n$ v0 l  ^. m7 j( W; j"不信也沒損失"& ~9 q  U0 l2 h" a: N: v; a
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ q3 O9 K7 N1 j- c: ~3 Wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  ^. u( E7 e" }, _

4 r5 X* L, ^, k( i  d7 J4 Eit's starting because we have sins......: F9 V# {' A8 n* L3 t3 w( K/ ]
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: y$ I3 a. d) @9 u5 U' Dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  f& D8 W  ~! w2 j; p5 a這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: r8 O  J, K6 r# U8 X7 g如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& d2 ?+ u2 A9 t) F而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 |% j7 i& ]8 ]( A( `9 `
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, y4 g# C" @( g/ E7 t
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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- ~5 v  m) j" Y6 X/ l. l  @. C一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
" }6 }7 ^+ _8 h7 J+ W改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* Z/ v* H1 P- n; b% G美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' O2 V3 B$ v. C0 |% m6 l4 p- i9 f
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
+ V% a' e" K; }4 K0 t看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 ^8 @$ X( z& N' y- B9 H! e信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 R! M$ `7 s4 `, y

0 g% k/ U: L- _9 d$ g不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 D: z9 M4 [: S! Y; w

' A0 `5 T- ?: e% S4 s) @0 n我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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7 x# y  b. v1 l' j同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% Y# f3 S" I3 o2 P# W4 K
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....5 `$ c4 l2 ^) [

) _7 e+ E; W  I: pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 a0 U" X& q. I2 ?8 D0 n: t3 k
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.