Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 d+ D$ n( T7 Y我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* l6 o# B% {+ k0 n9 t  F9 C9 }% z
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- U, m. H7 i0 E: M" ^/ x
我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 ?. B( y4 F, _* @& N
真的!!這不是反話+ s. }5 n0 d: B. s- m
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  J- W; [; u5 D+ w4 Z( j. X
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 {) r, J# O1 V. w8 G$ m- ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" e7 C3 G( y* p  J( {: hLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 z6 j+ G1 P' m* r0 B; ^+ }
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# r5 h3 Q& h6 t. ]7 ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( E8 T" i  [! k" _"不信也沒損失"
" q0 s# I6 G- g+ uYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# R+ ~, f. e4 J" u: x
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* ?2 }# x9 l7 h0 Y4 ~4 b

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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' P1 R0 N% N2 p+ @) ^% D
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ Q9 o! c( P% w( Y4 f( H: G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* L- z! z* s! H
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  w6 \5 [! J0 b* w# h5 ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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/ K' A) U0 S; L  v. N以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ u" x% i8 B- ~$ I7 z- R
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% z0 X" I  ^. |
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 P' A( }1 C8 l+ B9 Z$ B# ?7 g& k6 I
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....7 p9 @* w1 V' [+ I

3 P- m; f: r" T) a' pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.