Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 @& i0 J* S: q0 R) }
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 e& j. C& s/ u& P1 H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) K( ^$ h3 }( Q/ ?$ h. d
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ z9 Y" S5 I4 ~! F4 e
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." F* X. q/ ^  j# c7 p3 D
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 P! i+ P! x8 ?# v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
5 F3 {9 ?/ j0 {0 S8 y: \/ R真的!!這不是反話
! ^+ Q4 [- {( B0 Z# K. o* ?8 k因為我是情感比理性強的人9 f& ~8 a3 z2 y- w
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 Z+ C3 h8 G0 L6 l1 U, G6 w1 l6 R# `  u以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 K' |! O9 L( l0 M- J* h在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 |- K, B$ r- q8 }! i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 o, Q' b$ d' M5 t; l7 Q9 l) V/ y- JWhat a statement we have here?- {" Z! N" {' R- ^* g5 J
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! d0 q2 v4 e& \0 g1 v

3 d9 U$ |# g" C& |  l6 T: x6 l8 RLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 x# ?4 u% O6 i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"! z* Z5 q3 ~2 e6 T1 t
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: x- n7 K: ^% F只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, f% E* K" u3 n9 |' a- }
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' F+ R6 N5 ~/ B& }% {4 e
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具! E0 q  d9 c: h1 s& j6 |
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 F% |( t+ B0 v! s5 f
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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: U4 u! k- @: a6 L8 s2 y0 A% s[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 o9 u" b4 r% y# v
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ `8 T2 i3 B& x
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: R; z2 T# Q' R9 s
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.