Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! ]7 V) v9 Q2 w- J8 p5 S
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 X& y  ~4 _! n# E% l+ ?, O, m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: F8 ~( Q9 g$ ^1 k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' V" G; K  d5 y! b1 U! k
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. n  s+ S* T  j1 H; eNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* S* c# v* f# @: {; W7 N

8 d/ ~# e1 Q. D& c2 l2 _mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...., _/ u9 o! h2 j2 {) O

5 E5 G7 |- i9 d4 H3 vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ c% S% _1 Z8 f6 Ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 l% W- s% }9 j( ]! J我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 z  O; V4 X" m0 h. U' a
真的!!這不是反話+ f6 C- r& d7 I% K
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 e+ S3 w0 J5 q# r以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 S8 t+ }2 r4 x+ C* ?' d
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- U+ ~; m0 x/ \! N: O2 P
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 T6 ~$ h2 M0 i+ {; R& x$ ?( Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 @( `9 [& |- dWhat a statement we have here?
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8 {& x' K0 Z: ^+ Q  m* PJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / U0 W; d" F- H+ c+ m+ [9 {

/ e: l0 b" D) c  ~I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* C$ A9 S2 \- J! W$ x$ \. _
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 U' s' V4 y( I; I; P
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ |3 T% Y8 }" T, x" b3 Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ L1 T2 [) s/ _4 o' T"不信也沒損失"
& w% O3 U& c6 N* OYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 Y+ y  K6 Z' T8 e; R2 \4 H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 n+ i. U6 F" ]: S1 h/ C3 Z
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it's starting because we have sins......: x: [  v" m" F& A
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + |7 [# N$ C5 K" |) {- f
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 K+ d9 v% x* a- O6 ~4 y. x2 G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( D- c! y: I0 p, N9 g" t2 ?. Y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 Z) m6 D3 L1 `$ m! s/ M而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 [. w  U5 U" M3 P5 Y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 I& ]: U' g5 d1 @& {5 E美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具0 T& v! k8 I6 _* C) k& L

1 ~$ S, C* \- @. L- Z& p吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; N1 s! u. I6 E+ q1 w
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 `' Y# [, l2 \

7 V* @; i8 G) H: \/ f0 h以下是其他人的見解,
) S! P, e* h3 J' T$ h. Q: Y" i看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. S% P. `  J9 Y: |$ u: h0 [" H
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm9 ]7 {8 o1 W; D

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 j4 _# e/ ~. @! ]' R+ e
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# Y9 _- [' A9 b2 c.............信耶穌... ...

! R  x6 {8 V! C3 c8 ~Regarding the resurrection....
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* h' Y0 A1 W7 D1 D4 L1 RActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: z* J  Q4 E! K+ V, l; V8 O
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.