Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 r& l4 b; L2 A5 \0 x# C2 M我係一個連自己都吳信的人
  b  Z, O& E, n( w又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; c5 Z! P' G6 Q8 q道理我知道好多只係做吳到! x& p5 l6 z: q, z* U7 p0 |$ c
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) {! ~% x' \& H" ], VNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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* F! k' V7 N8 x" o6 b6 kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% k+ B4 ^. m4 K1 W! \
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% I* q8 F2 ^2 s6 `& S: n8 acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 p- H4 V  P) n& l4 a: |
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人2 C5 W/ L0 O9 k! p4 R0 ~+ K
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" L6 C# |' T2 K/ x. V' w2 Z" ]5 W以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 R: a$ V+ I5 a+ v在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- W) U* v1 s/ J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 o6 W9 T' v+ m1 ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' m# Y5 g0 {- w& g% n/ |" b, ]What a statement we have here?9 {8 z/ E+ E; r  z

, m: o4 K7 ^, B5 tJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % C1 y" P1 U* G( t, m. U8 m6 r9 M. B
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- O) B* x8 q4 R7 f, I0 o& F6 E% e

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; d9 J9 \9 I7 P8 E9 h* P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! D; q; y6 B! {8 ~2 q; Y6 n+ J1 v"不信也沒損失"
' H+ T% g) ]- FYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 U$ i" M4 _; K! @/ Z; Mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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) z( i4 r) J4 S( zit's starting because we have sins......8 n1 u& m2 c! W  U4 S+ Y% h; F
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( x/ N- x" a% \  ?4 Y5 v
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
6 q4 G$ F% j6 [$ ?" P% D只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% \1 I5 u7 |5 o5 _- ?1 u
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; @+ b1 B1 z0 y* w: B- J* _這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 w5 \" F6 j5 P) ^$ Z7 L! h
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* `: A, j! i, p" j) [而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 H9 a: y2 ?. M: m2 b( K3 A

; s6 ^5 B' y$ J7 }導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
6 ]9 N; J9 T+ F$ j# y0 j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* S( [( e% b' e( D1 Y' q. {

3 W7 X, R- a4 L. T  l一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, X' X& l0 K+ {0 S; f改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
8 n( u1 a1 l( {( D美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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1 d% }7 z# M$ h# W5 \宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% s/ r& O$ p: H( ^7 s  k信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 Q1 _, {* {' t

; r$ d) T7 J' J- g* i以下是其他人的見解,8 P" _5 N' b9 `$ ], S2 |* E
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 B# [3 f0 n& f5 N

! B' u3 H9 M# P. C, ]: x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! I, A& P5 L% ?5 t
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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- p7 G4 z( R7 D8 A! M6 f: I8 k同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( m- L0 N0 @9 D  P.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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0 q, [' w9 V) }6 e/ NActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... z4 a/ U+ G7 h( {* I0 I* `
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.