Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 J- O% k) M9 r- e
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, r, Z( d$ D5 z) Z" E! M* j
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 @  z+ I0 q8 R5 s( r+ L4 q$ m
道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 _& K4 j, D4 x' R! b) H
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% F. ~7 s; G6 k4 _  ]) g+ y9 kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: a; e! i5 ?  I3 UNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: n8 j6 W1 s. C# Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 a8 ~2 P1 r; U% I  I6 X2 y$ h( x我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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! D1 w5 T  J6 g: V" v' t( l" ~: D所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) [& I* J9 _- n以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ |! r: {$ U5 e# Z3 O
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% X9 y' [/ z# E3 v9 R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 q+ R% P$ O) ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?  {3 C: R5 b' ^9 O+ Z  \
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # K4 I( E1 p- D( w) P
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! Q) S- u# h3 Y& h
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ ?) k$ i% ]/ J( R- I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
% ]5 u! E1 _6 E, o& [% E" qYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 L! N" K3 u2 @8 Q( Rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 X$ K- y* L' S3 M

" [5 j5 }0 @- l" F9 `* uit's starting because we have sins......3 ^3 @, |& F9 t2 i1 m' L2 o" |3 T: [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ E) V& q( M' f5 y9 J& A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 [1 ]! Q! ?! {6 ?7 g
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' n2 _3 F1 a, P) g% z* c. W% }9 L
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( K. u# f. g; n( l如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  t3 c% C3 O! V9 J+ }1 I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ G5 a3 w2 N) E" k* j

3 w* o" j9 w( F- `; C4 }, m1 Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& E4 H4 ~  L. P9 X1 L
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* ?" P3 l" `9 X/ i& `$ u* ^  Y
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  W$ f- @. h3 ^5 _' m4 D; o4 B5 u5 Y5 Y
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 B( j) z0 a; {& V信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,/ U2 P6 X, N3 V! h6 I
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: o: O& G1 f7 T' K4 o' E  i  B
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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; G. F( s4 m6 p% m4 ~9 o信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 D: E( s5 h5 Y2 |/ V1 p.............信耶穌... ...

4 Y$ @0 F/ i0 E: S# N+ d  uRegarding the resurrection....* `# Q8 B9 O4 l. o' w

, k2 J4 g+ {7 Q% a2 w( c- q; kActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; n5 T4 I' B) ]) _3 Q9 F
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.