Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ P9 J! o2 K) W$ d) e4 K我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 w5 E; j  I0 M1 x又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- M2 \! l- n. q道理我知道好多只係做吳到% T  H9 Y0 s3 f5 I; q6 b
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: y7 T5 y8 M0 O3 P+ w0 D! [8 cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 {0 L; O( q8 u0 g; Z  L& c

! Q) k( q. \0 q; x% e+ {mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% [6 w; l, W* I) u$ p5 ?$ P7 M; P3 g1 M

; t5 f! u! N( }4 A0 Z- mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 ?# D# i$ B9 w1 i9 N. ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% A0 H4 X# s: H: w) x
我只不過微小的基督徒...................; H$ \5 V8 c% j
真的!!這不是反話8 j* B" B- U( l* a( Y0 E7 b; r1 S
因為我是情感比理性強的人$ h" c0 Y+ G8 w3 i- ?
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ `( h/ f( r1 T' f& N. N; T
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 _; r! o8 k- w
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 J  ^8 b0 K+ K( l2 K
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 @9 @# N, u5 h9 \建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ Q9 X2 Q) ?6 c- vWhat a statement we have here?$ ]7 G1 |9 c7 J

& c8 S% U2 [6 y% R# ~5 Z# g1 HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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0 D* [1 O; n5 l5 mI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* C) U; W5 K1 A

6 Z& f. I5 S5 M# ~2 kLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  K0 N% A7 b& T- v3 L

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" {- c" o5 `9 _* D4 O7 w+ \( Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# Z% N' ~! c& ?1 e7 {Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: N! C+ p6 F: ~5 E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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7 }. ]0 s& R- F% j& T' hit's starting because we have sins......4 f1 [4 w' Q  I5 I5 n0 N7 t
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ E3 @. m  Y0 W$ G5 a* \our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( s! i+ }9 ]" j- k$ N( T
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, l5 Q5 _! E) P: M1 ?8 R' H
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, }6 I9 J# j. ^/ b- f, l- w而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 Q' p3 v# a1 u" d+ t/ \# l9 N7 J4 S
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- B% G- R: k+ s% T( y" h
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ U* Q. q, M& `2 R1 ~9 S- o
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- p5 k: c/ n0 D. f. V
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 C; f* z7 Q; @# D) _* T  ^
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具! E# E" c6 {% j: k) p

/ F5 b& C: _- W; t+ {$ `; Z4 K$ s% Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, ^* g! m4 @  s2 k3 X+ c- D4 w( G
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! H! Y: [( U1 J
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 p1 O0 o/ ^2 i6 t; l信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# ~: Q+ l8 |7 Z* h5 t
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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) I) Z/ ^7 X: W3 {7 s) F+ h9 K' K我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 v& d* l- P8 g+ u% ~) s. J) \
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 ?% K; C) |1 D7 u/ c) I.............信耶穌... ...

  i. @3 k/ T! I7 i% s9 C% URegarding the resurrection....% Y* h) V$ C" o$ X: \5 c, g

) h2 X4 h+ o2 RActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.