Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; ]: }8 n* D% ^; T5 [4 q9 e* Q) j我係一個連自己都吳信的人
2 R3 i" t8 C0 J. g又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! Z; o4 t4 a4 _5 Y; H" S7 Y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到# k) q% f' d6 _3 \- v! e! ]9 N/ Q  M, g) e
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! h  z: U. A; hNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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$ H$ {8 p- P; b% TNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 Y( D8 n% F! C5 h  _/ Zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# W6 \: s$ S5 }( R( k" g* T
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; j2 F' P$ @9 c6 j. [: N
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
2 |( @* U& _- Q' I9 i真的!!這不是反話
6 Z8 C" k8 b& K/ x" e% e& ]因為我是情感比理性強的人# F  [1 _- W& A4 x% r' ~
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ g8 T" y! P' y. v- s+ a
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; p$ c4 W/ N( x: J. N在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... B# Z% N. {8 q1 H. r0 `& L0 B
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& K$ v/ {5 j( w5 P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 V: v0 u& D* ?+ H9 E+ AWhat a statement we have here?% @6 C, ?9 C4 U) d4 K

% D) @, ?% y/ V. k, d$ ?& F8 m% I8 oJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- q, X5 p9 l; X; @I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% Q' [: u, z( R0 t" I3 Y1 ^
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% x( Y) [- i8 x- `0 W3 X

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
" I# i8 R1 V: q$ Y/ {建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"5 x$ A' t+ U, [1 u
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& a) [' ~* [2 D
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ \6 h. F. x5 y. b

0 B; s) u% L5 M8 pit's starting because we have sins......$ z( _  ]; {. r  y. N
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 @8 f) x3 ^% Rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- I! i, g+ p& ^+ I) g% t' t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
) b& v3 l% h8 B- k' ^* r8 o用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 o1 Q6 r/ K' L  O1 y6 p這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& ]( _: |) k( Y( `" ?3 ]- ~如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 s6 Q1 u$ l8 V$ {) n" H! r7 _7 V+ {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 l( ~# L  U$ y$ a9 q

( W9 A* Y, `9 |2 @+ U4 Y. P導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: N3 m: X4 H3 o' Y( o好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) U) f6 Z6 _, W% f, f

' L7 H1 K& P; k; S2 F, Y; n2 B一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 q+ D; B8 A  ~" `& x% f" ?, {- R7 r
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 Z' k. g  X+ _# h美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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* g2 E' [* a, H宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: b6 Y9 _8 |: a1 [+ O吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
+ w% L& e, C6 c1 v信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,% ]  l1 I5 f( t5 k! `
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; L) c9 G4 D; D$ R' A
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 O* r  O) ?' j3 I- i+ q9 Q* @

3 d% Z# I" s% `1 S2 ^  f1 |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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* Y* W- H2 u3 w- L. K我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 O4 s4 y& S* x6 s7 A! m
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" B6 H  q! y' u3 e6 I.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....$ O4 P6 S# B( C& O1 p% X" K3 ]

1 j2 q9 `( M6 l# D5 I7 CActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.