Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: p; x9 \. ]: g( _  K
我係一個連自己都吳信的人. e8 C  F" n1 M. u! K
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* }& B$ M- m9 q( ^道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 P8 @% P) h8 z5 `8 d' ?# G( H3 ~
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ {6 }8 t# u- @/ P; A( o
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' d$ Q- ^! h4 k8 L
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* Z. u: ?: c% G  C# L0 Z, z" {4 h+ ^% W
真的!!這不是反話( H* h1 E' _. o1 Q1 [) p
因為我是情感比理性強的人  S& P! S- I" ]9 X5 c
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, |' k+ m7 f. b! i5 M# V( M: P& U
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' U7 C0 E7 q, E3 B在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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9 f; \- C* \  b) O9 v, y2 W3 LJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: I& k9 k" C! G5 R. |
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
: o. y; h, z/ a6 c; y0 S9 vYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! i) }0 B  _( b9 `- B
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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6 Z8 j- J) x9 mit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") Q2 j; a4 W7 G- h& n0 S9 L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% J% p2 q3 C- ~用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& t) ]7 s7 E# A  [( m9 g% S
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 P* z0 c- T4 W: @$ ~: @" O導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
" W9 C, U) V9 _! {好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ ^. j4 a: L& Z" J; D
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具; Q" I- G$ L8 ~8 i& K* {
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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% m* ?2 a4 q0 Q* o: V& r以下是其他人的見解,3 q' m# [( k( _/ i* g- Y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 \% ?2 G8 p$ p
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ ]; v1 c3 N) g+ U( ~
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 _6 o; P& w# ]1 B- u: a

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% C+ ^% Q3 C) {6 _& U2 R
.............信耶穌... ...

! ?2 ~! T9 e7 ]% x4 BRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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