Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) D7 {# Z5 G& g* `- L+ }我係一個連自己都吳信的人) o! C! ^; }3 ?& Q7 \( o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ V# S; @8 A$ c8 ?$ z+ c$ }道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! |9 t: T0 \" H+ b% M呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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" x; z6 {1 O# g  H3 S. H6 S3 N& gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 w/ S- L' S; e% T
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
* v" @& E, \' D' y5 xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' `. \. {. w' h我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* K, h* k3 o7 @- u) |9 B
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 B2 K6 [, t& M6 f/ X; P& S! W* e
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 ?  l8 Z. `1 I0 L2 w4 |- h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 U0 U, s7 L1 @. AWhat a statement we have here?" T: U, l( U  ^" v9 c- {/ @
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 \7 X3 s* T% I& ]
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 U" U+ I  U1 ]  C+ o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 X; F! a0 G# [) z0 [+ ]; {"不信也沒損失"9 r7 f; g, [, E1 Z4 M
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ M4 T" [0 t6 C1 V
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ Y2 q4 E5 B0 L, p: w, o

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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
) C  P" Z" c& p8 y4 ?our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 P& Y6 [) \* k  ?$ ]
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; c# x8 s- G4 p; [. o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 B% U( L  R0 N$ O2 q6 j+ f1 ?) {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- h: Z2 r+ G. e' r, \
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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$ E- g! C0 a6 O& }( E, Z* L+ i一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
! a. O6 _3 h# W3 ^& q, [3 [改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 k4 p. M: Q8 ~4 M# F
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 _7 t# c/ `; N7 Q% }1 c
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 g) r2 {0 b* Y4 m7 ?吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 e5 }- o" D/ _5 W* L, O
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,7 V& v: `0 Z. v" R8 y* C
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  K% A2 X" @+ Y$ _
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 G8 L4 z: T: u, G# q
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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% a+ M8 a$ X( }2 G# R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- C7 S* C6 {1 F: G* o4 m& a/ j; f+ ?

. |7 [/ |: u  w# O  E- t2 n/ d& G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' j. a- B8 C* _6 O/ q! ]

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  m- |( M: \# |: {- L6 a
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....& s9 {5 Q/ J; [: _5 w- D/ H8 ?: n
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.