Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 k- h5 X8 \6 \我係一個連自己都吳信的人  E* F" A& F- X
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' r9 v3 l  S) A3 s道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 ]" m; A4 d7 f4 d# J2 m
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: X5 c; W1 u* h  C. w
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 k3 P& i4 n: Q1 C
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: [5 ?/ T6 Z: j+ ^
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ @1 ?4 a4 U5 P8 i6 s, ?. x9 `+ p
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 X1 j) m+ K/ y9 a2 t; f' n. h我只不過微小的基督徒...................) o2 K! V6 p) [6 B& n) {
真的!!這不是反話( S/ O# }, \$ i
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 j0 F* m. |+ j9 m
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' B9 I1 x$ J) m9 T2 m& z) d* y在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ K$ ~, Y! f0 ?% a" o( u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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. F# s. d$ t$ F& D* M, ]: J. G' yLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- E+ ?5 x! R" z. D0 T5 V
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ h! J2 k& {8 V$ K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
* O  W" ]1 g4 J$ F& p" C7 d$ Z7 i. pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 ^  E0 W: \: X( O! V
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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% o; O% E% v# g  Wit's starting because we have sins......
1 I8 ?* t4 C3 ~: n& W1 f4 usatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , C; i1 U. p4 ~- q! v8 K
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- y, z' W/ h5 \8 e8 K' A. H
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* _# {/ M. M3 R# |/ o% z
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 [8 e7 ]2 ?; t, y8 S/ _6 _
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, P" M6 w. l5 g8 p$ v+ I  ^

( ~6 P/ ^- w4 I9 |6 ^一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 }8 C. _; ?% ^/ t* ^改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
: ]5 J! e( F+ L; P美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 e. p# P1 w  n3 a# b宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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) M+ }3 Q/ g+ ?吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* t! M6 K6 r0 d  f* J
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ ?# E3 v$ j0 [! }. h2 v$ C6 T0 F

3 G8 m. |9 R0 o8 k; Y! P  i以下是其他人的見解,  a1 F1 M' T+ L3 H8 u" V
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. _$ r) ?4 R0 c# p1 D
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm; O4 A4 f% e) k% @

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# X5 M4 j  @3 h, T" ~# i

% p3 r) _9 E: P8 }. k! Q# @; Y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 K9 D- l3 i- z& _' y/ a' p

9 G5 f2 q3 ]% h我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: `' a/ z- G; c
.............信耶穌... ...

! V( ~. l. L* s. ARegarding the resurrection....& L- i& E+ H5 m& L  \. y
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- I/ {6 N9 v4 T- E( i

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