Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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( g9 K3 r. m/ Q  }0 w4 P又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. R' S& E5 h/ b" \3 C9 m道理我知道好多只係做吳到
4 Q* Y5 Z1 @8 E2 h3 S呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( W3 ~3 N* ?( X1 d6 Q4 Y2 yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 v4 ~" g* W! f) @

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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: X( J( u$ Z; D* e/ j9 h% I
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話% }; C$ o* A$ X$ E  n+ X- \* c
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- A4 @+ n# m% b/ \3 V, x4 V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 a6 T1 Z7 o. N在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ X7 P' `/ n6 H' |$ p
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: Z1 {. }2 M1 g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ W! i; {- w* Q; g. g) l2 pWhat a statement we have here?. v! t7 c* E; s+ T# y! M
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % s" _7 l6 z7 ]
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' {+ m  B/ m/ B4 G" E+ }; qLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* S7 k9 l  ]8 J4 N" q+ l, h- ]

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3 ~( J# W) V+ W[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ N8 }0 V  v: s' M! a% N4 m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
" E2 [# r) |& h7 r" d1 hYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. X8 C4 r! ?  K0 ^but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 G9 j0 d% R) ~, q
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it's starting because we have sins......  ]3 Q* ~+ \: x5 t, ?& @6 V. c
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + x6 h2 S; p9 ?2 _8 ^0 n
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") t4 s! N, j- l$ p/ B% i8 F
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# ]3 K. N! w4 w; _) O% U% ]0 H
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 l0 o- X! N6 r, S  b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# I" z" o6 x- b: {/ h& f' w: |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
/ W  @( _% u5 F$ ~$ ]而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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& M- M& A5 Z3 W導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# m: l" M* O& v$ d0 w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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8 o) R% o7 G9 }* E( b; f5 Q/ v3 B一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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$ Z* E2 ^: p6 K: c" C/ h美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- Y( |" E/ c" `4 L% W' R. ~% @9 J
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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, r7 ]# \  G! M  z; S以下是其他人的見解,
. R" v5 @& f# B6 g9 [/ V2 j看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" {# q& {8 H# O7 w3 H  w! g
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm# G6 J& _1 L6 t( o# I( _
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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) l6 A( _! B& b! m$ o9 C. Z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 d1 C  Y0 q/ g- L$ |: h: T
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( V7 J1 s5 F: y4 {: r同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( q9 |( G3 G7 O6 q' l/ J.............信耶穌... ...

- @+ T6 \+ ]/ QRegarding the resurrection....
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1 |: D8 ?  [8 ^) OActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... a  Y5 g8 \* h6 Q3 }; g' Z$ O

2 n# D9 j" @' m8 H8 d9 nYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.