Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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# [2 {& w; O& t2 M/ G3 o又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 i# ^! N  R& c4 j
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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- V0 y6 Y5 }% O5 CNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( ?4 @, |' C$ m8 j& V$ l9 r8 A

+ x  d! z3 f( U$ P& u4 Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 I. |- a1 R4 L8 ?  I

3 B( v8 V! d& Y* T" B0 r: [, J, estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* e7 }8 ^: j& x; _/ _5 g
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. L# A; M% p, h4 w1 G- P" ?
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 j9 V% H) X( }# P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& f: p/ N9 `! Q- k
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' ^7 ]  y2 X" n: N
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- {* s: Z( `. ^1 v( C4 T" TI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! C! }- T5 B4 X' v; L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' c% b) X; G4 w( q; L"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 |/ D* j9 I9 C* Z

) Z" h7 ]. A* G3 p) Z- h0 O) yit's starting because we have sins......
6 P0 t0 W& P5 P% A- z- wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, D, [) q0 X( K6 j* cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 C2 g& {! i7 `- m" ?
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ r0 i! \3 h6 v8 q3 M
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 K9 n6 b0 H1 w$ h' z% w2 C
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, o# ?7 M0 x% g' Y3 G如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 x( @  D9 F- i而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, m( s9 d9 e! ]% @9 e
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 S( [. w# t& o) O9 k! t8 ?( S! Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 N0 c+ F- m0 t2 ]
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法+ B; ~/ k" Q* ~7 n
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., l6 {4 e3 J! \& E! e+ ]$ W: b: ~& [
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ U+ r+ s) A8 |- G9 g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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" f- D! F3 B0 ]) g% H以下是其他人的見解,3 T7 M* M( ^. `, ~4 J) ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' w7 f6 I, |3 ]- s信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* D+ d4 u$ f' P* [# D+ ^

- u7 Q4 i+ c8 b不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* X# d! b. o* L. z% k9 Z( ^

/ J4 W5 r3 }" v6 i9 \) X3 H5 {我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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7 d3 u5 k+ ]7 Y: g6 [8 N同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 L- R4 K1 Z5 D, |( y.............信耶穌... ...

/ ^6 }# W# n) X& E3 n: x6 LRegarding the resurrection....; ], W7 u; ]9 S( j9 w1 t) o

& ~+ u) j0 m' PActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ s3 x4 D  P# C; I# b* K
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.