Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ K3 l+ a9 ]5 a$ a+ v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ [2 h3 ]0 z- J( w$ v+ _
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢2 G% {/ c$ M/ A5 Z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, v5 X3 p& k! N8 ?Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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$ E+ w& K! U4 g% k. a* qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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0 d& b+ ^% X8 G  fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 X% [, r/ R. f! |7 ?' q5 }: V
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* s8 L* X, b; P" F4 z我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人$ }! Q& k. F+ X/ s' _8 V
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# h" \) y+ v# `& W3 }9 ]1 c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 i# l, {5 x2 y5 c  k在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?% Z2 Y: K& _: e8 b& m4 F% J2 h
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! Y# u, h" |8 g9 z6 ~% ?# g9 T3 `

( l. R" |' V9 `, XLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, x5 C# X! ^0 u  z5 l+ `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( Y! j% o  @; |' \"不信也沒損失"
- U# D! m& I. ~9 HYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 u8 X. B; J8 K; x3 J, O9 V
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 l0 K! x! W* Q  e* C, y
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it's starting because we have sins......6 t) z0 ~. P/ `, {
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
! M4 X' b1 i8 P0 b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 G( i+ v' G5 N: z( x; m: E$ V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- Z+ w7 ?: G2 y9 Z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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- S, i5 U% P8 [8 \% L9 g導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 d" ?6 e/ S9 i4 C7 v. u! w- F& P
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 ^) ]5 `7 ~5 Z% x. K$ v
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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$ Q$ s3 o" C" C$ L& e* v信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. j0 E# Q9 e* e7 e* N

( I" K; b7 G0 R; P不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ B  j5 G# H) p. s2 W: b6 S: A
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) Q, j$ `' Y: k0 N7 s+ |

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. d% X% v* ?4 q0 \/ `.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' a9 h2 A) z# g3 m
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.