Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; K( G# W' X" p# W& q' f, J
我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 S2 W9 P, |# N$ q* e
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 p& N2 ?5 _- h6 `
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' b* N; @/ h" S
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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! M  l9 f2 b6 Q1 W% O  W7 ZNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( w6 \1 H+ E7 r; J7 Z* m

  `5 M& @0 A$ p9 k  {mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& ?& \0 W. ]7 K4 o# _% \
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  ~0 h* K2 l; l6 qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, B: z' Y$ E: q6 c6 C
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
" E4 r' s) }" P% A真的!!這不是反話
. _1 a8 i) z% V: [+ K8 N因為我是情感比理性強的人
% u9 x+ D9 }- I8 w. c所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 L* x6 |/ g; G' a- Y+ n
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' A  W- Y, |' X; {% |/ K' W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: c% k' }% X) o( z  Z  f0 o7 s
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ n" {* @1 Q; S% `1 O3 |" z+ `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: L, f& l3 m0 l$ d1 [# L4 L+ B

) h8 M/ `% M# a: CJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; {. Z9 `8 f) T+ R- q$ ]9 PI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 ~# n* h& a" B, kLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
. ^! L5 e5 y' d* }建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"2 {- p+ _; q1 D% r" W
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 r* ~* m1 G. C3 z, X# Sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* \; J/ T1 `) l! [! @3 D8 r

+ S3 Q6 B( i4 d: O# [1 [it's starting because we have sins......$ J6 \! v" c' I+ Q$ h
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 I" M9 m8 N* |* B
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% m8 l& |: S0 L; a+ w5 Q# [
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 ~+ W$ c0 j9 r
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ a4 F. N" s- H8 {  `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# L8 H4 F* T0 ?6 P4 ?
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. x7 a, S( n1 s: l0 H6 Z; F而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 ]7 e9 ?2 p& C* x( L/ f

+ x) r7 w! k; S' E+ U# d/ D導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 V& A4 w4 x) \, v- h
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 Q: d; W) W+ {' A. S2 l

/ z7 h. V2 h! b( q9 A$ f, ]一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
& ?* y5 e* {& O; {0 x& x, W. k改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' l. F2 x0 i& M1 @6 |3 f美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' J8 m+ S1 @6 }% H: `

5 C, M4 L- `! [1 I$ O宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; \# d, o# L8 Q, V0 L( S信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 u" j9 Q) J9 d/ a" b5 P4 R
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以下是其他人的見解,: u3 u& m& ~6 c% s
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! G- y% ^' V( b: }9 |9 p
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% l% w) Q& ]. K. j' S- L

2 L' r" O7 e# o+ e! ~/ p信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!2 ~  `5 b3 k+ M
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 _1 G4 ?4 m+ _; i8 u
.............信耶穌... ...

; y' y! {. R0 C9 d9 l3 _. d1 RRegarding the resurrection....8 e4 p2 h* w6 C
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 u; H+ Z7 j$ F( ]

. \$ H1 E3 o0 R6 }You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.