Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 b0 u9 i( v! J& q: m0 B
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 u0 {5 b0 f: e! y, v% T
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( |5 G3 f& t, X8 `+ d' `
道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 m6 h( I1 z8 {' N2 J
呢D就係做人的悲哀

9 {" L3 H% n* _' h- z9 i/ F. T) @8 U+ y

# u' Q& c: l. Q! k! `8 N# M* d% ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
: |* N/ u' p2 ]4 v1 |8 r: @: \/ U: J) ^+ z+ C* d
Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 P, C8 b" o1 U' |6 ^

& \) t9 p  b) S& o6 K! L! y5 lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...., |6 j4 j$ k8 O& F6 a

1 E0 p1 z2 O3 _( @5 m8 Y2 mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 Z* [2 @$ Q9 icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 p' V/ P- k! Q6 B3 T: P" A! _0 }我只不過微小的基督徒...................
" Y* ]- t8 x' h" Y  u) j/ ~  D# T; @真的!!這不是反話4 ^% W5 c! f: I1 `  h1 I( J
因為我是情感比理性強的人* A( g! z4 ?1 w- @8 L$ w; W( C' s
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' U, I; Z1 c9 L* L! Y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 V# b/ v  k3 x" M# v, T在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
) T; r8 g5 G! q, w; d5 d正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" Z! d0 x4 z- W$ M$ o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

# L" ~6 y& t) ]& B& G' e' A, p6 L6 i4 r% l
What a statement we have here?3 r1 I% F/ D! w5 [
2 T9 E( N- x6 H5 {; `) i! l
Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
" o+ m8 Z' j2 O1 h$ A9 S. \
8 ^4 b" o5 i2 MI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& y3 Q1 d& {2 x5 r$ B2 h
% m6 G3 X3 k: z/ A3 s5 D
Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
) J" _$ ?2 `& J" j. Q# ^+ c
% `0 F! G+ Q0 E# t:cool:
& s# o2 r  [3 B, z( H& V* X6 z4 e0 Z8 \% R
[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 |# K5 K% j0 Q1 S建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

: F6 t7 m' d0 V. }/ x, E

+ x" a8 ]* ~; x) h7 `8 i"不信也沒損失"  v6 @9 O- _' Y; H) \/ a* z* Q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 U! n7 ]$ @+ t! f% e. Z7 q; ~6 z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
! c+ a; c0 I" v, v
% \& ^: `) p. Nit's starting because we have sins......- J. w( }" y/ R
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. b4 B* x- I0 oour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
' n6 M' L" Y% q  @/ n只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
, ?5 V8 n2 M  `9 m$ N  S1 \9 n用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" e: r/ M+ l+ @: ~/ |: m) w這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* J  w" k4 w, ~! U9 H  r
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 m; k  k+ }7 I  t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
2 j+ i! S, [2 X2 r2 m- k$ B; m% t- B: D+ A
導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. Q: e% X" b( U1 X, x好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 k* T. s+ r3 V2 g* {$ K

/ j, s) a( T/ o5 Q, y- o  V7 M一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 E2 K# r( Q  N0 }3 k8 d1 E2 a& z/ A
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& M8 z9 o9 |. k7 X美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  I! E; Y- G- w3 {9 M

+ y8 X: L: l2 a% b) `宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具! [$ t, V& c: M. Q! y* B
+ Q' d3 n8 v/ F+ k, T
吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
& ]8 p# L; w8 `& w0 l' Z9 U信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
( D% F* \6 R- x! Y. q1 i
5 u1 W8 }. ]6 o3 G2 w以下是其他人的見解,$ |& C$ `- F9 y) Q- N, N( x/ s2 T* \
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& ]4 h' b' E9 i: W% i' z1 b$ z  W
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
% O! d9 y+ A- H' E" c4 z4 E. ^$ |* u% i: r# Y
[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# ^  h. V4 ^1 C6 H5 e
/ w! H' S8 S3 [' c( m
信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
' z2 a+ `5 t' O: ]0 {6 N: U  H0 v; A+ d. ^2 Y% v8 E# m4 c7 v1 g% i
不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% z$ Q; b* y- |# u

) L% @4 p9 H# b. ~7 }4 P我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
  f; n/ Y3 \- F  F
4 @7 |, T3 A$ ]% f3 R6 [- S同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  B" z9 L$ ~$ W- u, V1 n, m.............信耶穌... ...

0 \) ]: I* U- f8 FRegarding the resurrection...." F8 D- F9 z1 P4 t' r

9 ^7 O) I; M% D2 [" _5 hActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
, }3 V0 I8 B# W3 I" M' u5 y5 j2 o, k2 y( e
You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.