Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 H1 I# P1 D% ]4 R# s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
( B, r/ u0 l# Q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢  O% J% N+ @. n2 x7 x. e
道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 Z+ w- M2 O' d: J
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: D& R& g* Q" r. A7 }) q6 mNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 o$ y* q& m# B+ d
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 b& ?3 y. |. ^! i

2 g3 }, }& x' a2 dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 e3 k  n/ x* P8 A% b
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 `+ G! ^, b+ E8 Qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* A- @: P' W7 R* G+ e& c我只不過微小的基督徒...................
' G5 x9 X4 `2 Z真的!!這不是反話" f9 M- ?. ^* `, O+ _
因為我是情感比理性強的人
2 d$ s- T. o; z5 ]所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; L/ e" k* `# }# ~% c5 a
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 {  n/ M) \( s0 b在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" d2 e) Q2 j. @8 ~' Y; [8 ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, D/ b! m* @8 M, o4 PWhat a statement we have here?
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$ k$ F) i* n% D6 K$ P: Y) `( zJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' Z1 K* z+ L) X4 N9 T, S
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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! U6 X, v2 v/ B/ U9 n2 a% E. VLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 U/ n+ J6 ~  Q, }" L3 \0 q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
: q7 f! S. R/ E- H  sYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 _! n7 }; F6 k& a( ?& A) C
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: m. [9 m% ~" p: s! v7 z+ [, t
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it's starting because we have sins......
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- ~) Q9 s/ c. a; _1 x( z6 xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ D. q! g' R/ c% C只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; [6 I/ K* q, p8 Z! P' O用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% C9 L( \0 H+ f. K' `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; c$ c" X( n* ~% H% r; Z- w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ t  x2 F) A$ o) X( y2 k. c
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ a; q3 [+ c* N2 T5 \7 Y. Y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, q+ Y+ U# K: \1 V8 y: o( _6 b

( J; |7 g7 S' S8 O) i9 P& b一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 S) B, j% n: C' ^2 O+ u5 v
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 ^* q# ^* k' h+ ~3 `0 e* N美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具/ A/ E/ y( \* M

% b, q# m. Y1 |8 J6 h' b吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 \: Q; a' k8 V+ J3 m. g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ l/ j3 A' j" ~2 c$ d: w
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以下是其他人的見解,; J4 Y1 Y. C/ {' s
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" ?1 _. c/ d/ P2 j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 V* u4 O7 e, `1 d
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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+ v- C( j* k; c; _1 x我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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" A+ r/ M( [8 Z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' i; Y6 k" z6 f5 X! Y
.............信耶穌... ...

5 v  i- j8 o1 R. d0 u) P# FRegarding the resurrection....4 Z" a7 L) V. y; P) a7 G, ?

5 o2 a# ^! b: X1 xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) b& B! V: w* g( \7 N: I

6 ~+ d6 p7 a) q, M8 \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.