Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ z) ~( F0 D7 n+ p1 a
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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+ {. |+ {* z4 l: F& X道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( ^5 x% c; M  E1 F: ]% T呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( |4 W7 z2 w: U
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 d& c4 _4 W* B! Y% V5 P
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....2 |2 j9 q8 A2 h% O7 B# b2 \2 o
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ N. ^9 J& u7 X0 Z7 \5 p. M3 Q4 ^我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ A, O( D  M6 G4 D* O9 c% y
真的!!這不是反話0 y( g; W+ ?" d4 ?! S3 x, k: s
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; z9 l) I6 v' T  I9 s3 U
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* F) h; Z+ a6 M) O6 E) R8 F在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  v* r: j) X) ]) W' n1 T
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. h& |$ g+ g0 `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?$ k& Y0 g4 B& R" b9 g  e4 N

+ a: V* [2 @9 Z, S+ e9 C) U( I0 b; _Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! [; G. q: {- r: w: i# X

4 Q/ g! C, \% V5 |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) k8 a; @% a$ i0 T/ i' K5 P/ x

# V2 i: C; [9 W8 E; f% QLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 l) Q% W- r" \
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' U; t* E" \: z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
6 l5 d+ V1 D, O" T6 b) r1 n- UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# F! [% J/ T: S5 R3 k1 xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" ^- ~1 E! m" R" k6 rit's starting because we have sins......* P) e& p$ g  K% O2 U& j
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 z: F( ~5 R  S, ~# q+ a/ p  j. ~
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) |3 v- T1 R! c. k5 t* ?
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* B; h5 C1 u- p5 K  S2 u
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 n: t) M8 R1 {4 a9 a$ Q* ?$ X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ C1 ]9 p8 ?+ h* ?: J3 ~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ K' v; `( Q+ Q. }好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: \) V8 w% c2 k8 [5 f0 Z, b3 N! K

( b4 t' c1 K% H$ U一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ m5 s  ^% ?# S改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ C$ Y. S  |7 d* J$ Y+ ]: M: H% g3 X
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) L; b1 x0 ^# ^/ \, ^

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! q; n/ V- F) c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,8 ~* o, Z, q8 b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# \5 ]! l& o8 J. N' ]1 e" `信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 J) h5 i# b2 x. e

; O" \8 L9 N( P不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 `3 n# L3 X* t4 y( A1 w  M3 q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& |5 \( `% @% Q7 c; [

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. r5 s1 z8 O+ b9 R# {.............信耶穌... ...

( n  U9 h0 Y* h! L3 z  f- SRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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3 C/ A" W. w3 E/ w/ S9 l5 t' M* jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.