Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 Z9 c0 ~( p( H' `- o; G6 S& t/ I我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 r2 O8 I, `, \1 ^" A0 l2 T" K又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* f+ \* H, _2 a6 D, r- A- m* N! w道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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8 `' m$ Q8 E5 D2 P: E4 T0 PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- N( G0 y& Q( k3 {3 ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 i! V) N' b0 N0 x9 p0 e% emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# P' {. `' m4 K5 `" Ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 u4 J4 g$ }3 G) L2 [4 _0 \我只不過微小的基督徒...................
$ Y  I( b8 w5 M真的!!這不是反話
; ?. G$ \2 j3 {因為我是情感比理性強的人
6 n6 o5 f4 a$ m* |. c# ]所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& S' a3 Z7 D8 j7 w& P- k
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 W' F3 R3 g; ?# g. Y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 w) j2 m, u3 l& y* F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  X8 a1 {7 b3 g% C- D2 W" C' `' D( P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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5 t8 Q: r3 p* ?0 S/ fJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 @  {+ b/ T6 K
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 A+ h0 W( k' O& t% [1 W6 ]

7 H6 Z1 t; j  b6 ^8 w/ i2 q  WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 ]7 j+ V7 q% d& |. b4 k

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" c, q( T9 J" }9 J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 k3 W! \1 }2 k1 X' T7 g  C; ^& k"不信也沒損失"  }0 ]) x! l$ q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 B5 B4 t& e4 M
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, o# A9 }' ]2 H! t只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& e& u+ Q. L6 q  {! f8 ~( J5 H9 R
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ v, u- Q& t6 n+ Y% I3 ]1 F這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& k# C0 D" E& V, @/ t" |5 M
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, @7 ~% n. j% S
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' W" q  X4 c. I, @! `( G8 q/ D# G5 V
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ p( s  j1 T; G: W/ G& h( A" v/ m3 z
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ B9 @& U" I& Q$ Q) G7 k, p" _7 L

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 [+ o5 ?/ L! o( l信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 T! x* q/ m! i6 P( P  N# [% l
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以下是其他人的見解,5 o3 K. S+ u8 m1 c
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% k9 E, S% `# R. |) B
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; a- ~7 p" o' e+ ]0 _3 f# z
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 R+ I  e! U# ]1 d/ e0 i: C.............信耶穌... ...

2 `+ h7 H4 O: C  j$ n5 DRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.