Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" I4 F6 x. ~0 u我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' y- Z1 A$ q+ l+ i& N/ g8 LNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" J# U5 d# Z' q, U) l

2 y3 a' C1 s, C7 ]) H2 V3 zNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 ^* a- o0 }& q& g0 e: K1 o

* |  `6 T1 K. _5 ~struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# T4 o" m6 ~' ]8 l8 ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 ]5 u, p% U0 N" J" _! T; c
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 X+ B  v' Q! P2 K4 `+ _; m
真的!!這不是反話- U! y; t; A% H+ D4 a7 C+ Q
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# `. U+ V/ p( Z! y0 w  Y  N" `* P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ ^4 C; x+ ?, o5 l( \5 s. Q) s; D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?" a; c# a4 l7 w8 x; Z
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / M/ e4 e5 t! H7 c, E
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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+ \0 x. h5 @3 zLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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6 `% C9 G+ A. [7 v/ l"不信也沒損失"
" i4 G: I0 h2 H) L8 a' {+ H7 ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, A4 A/ \5 q1 h: H% t2 rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- E7 _9 V# d8 S% b/ h* [1 C# m

1 w  k0 C* _) }4 n2 Git's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. h5 R2 Z- I& [0 p) x只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
, S$ k5 }. f6 N# a2 t' @$ b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: L# S+ _- R$ L8 {' O, f- q7 b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, k' s$ S% i! `
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ j8 t( Q. ^) j" F  z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 U/ X. e: Y9 h* d% e# r導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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6 T! l1 m5 e$ W, E+ A3 X  w; Y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
- [, }5 D& f/ R8 {; z1 i0 d0 |改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* g3 q( u# d' z8 y8 L% J* [美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., p6 c- o- W" u8 _( ^: m  d* n4 q! ]
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具; w, Y5 [* s8 F2 h2 I
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( ]  r; O6 U3 w: ^2 b" `
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 w2 o# ]3 t, y
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ n, x; z  O% Q1 Y, e$ S5 E. V
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, ^) ?3 I8 I8 ^& O1 |, `4 w
.............信耶穌... ...

* t4 S/ k" p+ I3 X% ^7 [' hRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.