Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ J6 R, C- u7 Z2 X  h
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 h$ L7 e: [8 Q+ S
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- t& u" A; L+ u/ l
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: v; ~! M6 q% V0 I% f呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 z$ `- {7 H$ m
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 |* k: o# k3 H- ]6 t. G2 b
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 l! M- v" T+ l7 n9 a我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 b1 j7 F# C" G( ^
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 d- k* _+ l# u, Y) f" T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% M9 q0 ]& k. M5 ~& C+ J# _
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- x" P2 w! I8 C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 M6 c; l) B# vWhat a statement we have here?
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& D$ H2 k4 x) G0 D* g( V0 t' oJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 r; X: v7 e8 WI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. t6 z8 `/ u7 i

- }' n/ ^0 O/ w& WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% o1 f6 G3 m' k; }; k
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& g  X! r) F; n5 }建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( r( M* m# R- j) c$ s. p" b"不信也沒損失"- s1 V8 d0 t  ]% l7 |
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' B0 [/ G5 `, c9 r# D& h
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- |7 c, r/ v7 t: M
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it's starting because we have sins......! v' F5 q1 @7 {
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ I5 r- ^0 I8 q# Bour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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2 s! X3 a3 m  `. z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% I# v6 {3 I6 q3 s/ l: y/ C而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ R! ?3 @: C( J0 v% U6 W+ g

: \9 m: R8 P' K* w: A; O導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ ~: {3 }1 @+ S3 t% ^6 N6 V+ c+ u0 u好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
1 _. S, ?. ?) q" G% s0 e改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( ~3 |9 m1 g& ]( c% ]0 d! C" E
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
2 h. S0 r* Q  b$ A* i信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 L0 [, J3 k  f3 O: u( a
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% G1 D( l" T9 Z/ l% R2 u
.............信耶穌... ...

5 H! U& |1 ~4 a: V8 F8 B7 |Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.