Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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; K* m# v' [4 b7 P2 g" ~0 M" S- oNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 e' @* m7 w! U4 `: z9 x' B
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- b+ Z% {9 o7 o

# O" S0 k' \- c# Bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ }2 o8 j0 y* K  W6 u) ~* s5 y
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 r! @$ o2 u( R7 X, s我只不過微小的基督徒...................% C9 Y3 g4 c" [" c4 r, M
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) ^( f* B- l+ o6 |% g( E
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" @+ B! y# M# `. q: p6 r: U: M在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ a0 u; l1 q' j3 I. z7 l2 D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# {: h5 y5 Z+ q# Q" |What a statement we have here?0 c; E! z) A9 y  A9 U0 S4 R
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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( z$ T0 \  a+ r5 x8 C; gI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ y' \! c2 Z: c/ |4 \
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: D- z9 X3 [$ ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失". W& L% N2 G: B; ]: G( {! N& I4 n
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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# f  i6 `+ {7 B; [; c7 h, zit's starting because we have sins......
8 y& m: q' z) N9 i9 d' f+ G/ E" wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ C5 E+ Y2 b" p" Q0 f( e: }& iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, C7 V6 Z: B0 S* \: j, U, X+ n
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* J. }5 F; C6 N6 O6 q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 q8 z2 Z5 m; o3 ~
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( m. F# ?( [* }- q& r) `好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- p1 n/ Q. u1 p4 `- U% Z

+ J: _1 S. M; W5 {# F# f8 E一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ O" x9 s7 [% Z- r

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, L9 J9 d  H8 c; V2 Z6 x吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  G1 F2 p+ R* B6 a信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 @* ^! c# A- _5 [/ v

8 W6 C! |4 ?% d# J0 H+ t以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ w5 m7 F" X5 S
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 t; r: A* F+ w9 O. k" l

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/ ^9 |  `, b* I: r6 }我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* v3 e$ Y0 w# O; g0 d; L

1 y( I. N5 Q7 V3 E同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( f! s, X8 X( N( E.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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- A# m8 f; p8 ]; nYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.