Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! ~4 F0 ?6 g: I0 j! A我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, Z; e  z" e& I: B又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ A0 R( {. Q% F9 B9 x7 a道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 e! l7 ?, S$ \+ p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ h+ l0 c; a& J: X* Q5 U

  V7 |$ Z% k: z) n1 V2 ?5 oNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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/ M- _+ z  m0 N! q9 e5 B! Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." }5 p9 e( h/ y6 n- ?9 a

7 T2 I$ p9 s7 `0 Lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
) y: s; L' e, @我只不過微小的基督徒...................  Q6 [; X* W# N. o  b& s
真的!!這不是反話
+ [) o8 L  ^3 Q) o, ]因為我是情感比理性強的人) S* i0 y+ R2 L# P0 F8 y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' t& h# w2 M6 H- m4 s+ X以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ h3 s" F7 C5 u; j1 [1 H: R0 _
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 U1 q: t! ~) ~
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 |1 ?6 P" h; s; A% \# Z' f建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# Z" Q& J3 ]$ C1 ]What a statement we have here?
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3 J1 h' e6 ~7 w& f2 }+ b( HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # Y) F) ?! _7 W; ^# M5 G5 i/ P: w# K+ p

0 G6 E! c4 T5 i: l  dI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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0 }+ {. S/ x2 |$ `) @" c, NLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( B# l* {3 H) r建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 y: D) U2 F/ c9 ~! u1 D: M"不信也沒損失"
1 D" \% G- Z* D9 [/ A* JYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 j5 Z. N6 p. f! N5 q$ |2 n
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
( Y1 ~: P0 b0 E9 o+ ksatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 o/ i9 D; X5 P5 C
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 j$ c2 j" `+ r只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; u3 c- @/ Y6 d3 m" z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! C" D' q, x/ L5 ]3 e! m) g5 N
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ J8 E% I+ j. H
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* @' @* g5 q- S" E而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! e1 F1 q6 T2 Y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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1 j; M. P% i$ I一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' ?' S0 I# z: m6 @; H- ?改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; R3 ^/ q& I4 J# o
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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6 U! o5 O5 d, ?  d* o宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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. z; W; e. E" s" ]6 f  S吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) M2 K5 b. p9 k& P% E, W信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) f+ p1 q2 n3 s
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ M% \) w; B0 G# I
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 M; T4 n- w; }+ W3 ^6 w- }

! _. D8 Z. q7 p; a& y. b9 I不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* w+ t! f3 Y1 Z9 Y7 V

2 l% ~8 j/ i/ M1 ^1 N7 M% ]我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& Y& b8 g5 j8 `# u
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 i/ f+ d4 l% I3 c
.............信耶穌... ...

6 X/ A$ C$ V2 @Regarding the resurrection....
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7 N  O0 f9 |9 t. T$ v1 ^% Z) iActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( a; q2 T' Z5 \1 |4 x
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.