Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( }3 n: f, ?* O: G- C  P4 _我係一個連自己都吳信的人
/ d: N; H: c! `又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  |3 u& d- j! u& m道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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) o% |3 L1 H& V: NNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 G+ a8 x* ]  ]- v( r0 D& [0 e
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ B- g/ b& g3 C我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 l% k8 N( K( {) k# `8 c以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, ~, I, i) t6 d) T" g在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ h, ~6 o3 s: @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?5 c" D- P, Q( [' Z# T

9 f; L# l. y* a. {: c" Q% L9 YJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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( Z8 J& ?6 ]* jI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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; p3 @  E7 F8 `' Z+ E. ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 G* u0 `5 \2 p9 K& @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"4 C, B+ R' o4 U# z2 W" K& U' r) S9 p
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 c) v# R. `/ r
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ o) [9 k. l* L# {
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it's starting because we have sins......# E" Y+ u3 `" ]
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! X0 J- p7 W+ u# x) W# |our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ F$ R  j% K  b: b
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 y) W0 u+ ~* w2 D% n4 ]9 J( `# V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, }3 m) s9 F* R: A$ |而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 ], c% Z7 X+ g5 ]

3 u' L- ~" ?/ \$ P1 o& U導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; M% H$ H6 D1 C" F好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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/ U# y. I/ d5 T* f6 [一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, ?+ [  |' T( J! w8 `
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! {4 t: g+ p: R3 |
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 }& `$ p3 K- W. ~1 |$ D/ D. G" ^0 C吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* t2 }" S% s: \) O# {. e7 i信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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$ b3 m" ^# V5 q6 W: R+ s$ C% ^! D% L, k以下是其他人的見解,' o& F) J5 g, l: n$ W# E
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 b' L4 a9 [3 V不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 y/ j8 ?6 a9 ^0 M! T- l+ ]

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( S- n7 u" t7 _  Z4 W7 q.............信耶穌... ...

5 x) d/ n& _4 y6 ~3 W8 g! zRegarding the resurrection....+ u3 e5 \+ Z" w) s+ u
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% g- `/ [* n: q- L6 {& J% }

( Q" c# {! q7 U& sYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.