Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 Q: W% |* _0 P1 q% `, {我係一個連自己都吳信的人
# y7 C! v, \% l又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' r4 V' V2 G; s0 w
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
+ z. a$ e- W2 y$ ?8 n! w呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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4 J, Q3 ~' G; UNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# F$ _% l# ?# e( C9 `) L$ `' M

  C7 K" i5 _5 i% a  ]1 p! ~mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 @6 ~. M7 W1 X6 C$ a
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, `+ J8 C4 b6 [; m( F6 q" Scheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 z4 p1 i$ H( ]3 S1 C我只不過微小的基督徒...................
3 W4 Q  e  h: g* S真的!!這不是反話
. I. v: {5 g# m# l7 T2 D因為我是情感比理性強的人& K0 B, O, N+ s  W$ B6 i3 [
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 b0 D. ], ~3 w% m以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, N5 g9 V5 ^) j* H( ?9 X! K
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) n  Z4 w8 Z5 V) G1 M! ^6 O6 Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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1 n- D8 c) }- h  h- }2 mJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ g+ B/ f) F+ R0 H- m/ i9 f$ G$ h4 b
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 I, f5 @0 T7 F9 X6 E& u- y( f1 a# u
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:+ Y6 B8 o) H6 E1 z: R5 J) r- l0 p$ \
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# q9 x  x% e! U$ Z9 z1 Q"不信也沒損失"* v: h0 q- P2 {6 D2 V3 m" ~
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# g/ D. I- P! R2 U9 I3 N3 ?' u- _- q% ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ r- }0 V. R/ Z% ~7 o0 G4 z6 ~

& ?' {/ H; `5 R$ y( t5 ^it's starting because we have sins......6 Z( C# g! {+ I* j/ N
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' l0 n7 n* J/ m, X9 q- Four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 L2 p6 U5 f0 ^
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 f: G* L; ]9 n. z+ X2 J* s用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 H4 J3 P0 V7 `9 }這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# C" w, s" O$ \1 o7 p% z( p如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  f: `5 k7 l& R1 C" @; D
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 n4 d" P( a; q9 I& a$ Y- d3 B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' P  D1 u! i& Z: d4 Q

) q  P2 t1 [0 k" f. l% d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ \# X1 K8 s! _5 C' c; ~  N: H0 P改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具& y1 f( x* s9 S( w: @. f6 A
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 }) B2 Y. D  r: s+ @4 t6 x. O2 `! g
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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7 F" M) L, D- Y# ~' ?[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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5 u# _5 A4 H% a2 W' Z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 h) K  _- K9 L  }7 w

& D! o, f: c, [/ h) Y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ v7 X: y/ ^/ ^. J3 F: I  o7 j1 c
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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, T% }% J9 P: M% L+ H3 u同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! g3 S9 o. U0 ^  N# |
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..../ X* y. {* a+ d- y7 m& c) _4 K

' X2 e; g0 [3 I# x9 {4 ]6 \Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 h! \% X8 W; j& P. o6 o

+ G* J9 R% Z3 Z9 V- UYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.