Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, `. f3 ~7 A9 z9 Z: ~8 ]我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到  h0 i0 q6 J& {" E. g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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8 T/ S; T, B$ nNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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% A' ?5 d: E5 V# ?# N$ eNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) ~( c+ z: H0 R" F* T/ t/ \+ n

) T7 E* }3 @1 I& o# Imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 g. J$ H( C' L' |
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 b/ N3 q4 x) M/ i! \" K: g1 dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% H  n: m' n1 u( l! t" c我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" z4 w4 O) M) |% v) ^. K# k以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 G$ P. J' l% {6 \3 H. F
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# n+ ~' s( I. O/ s* a, m
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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+ ]4 R$ M* J5 D: s- P5 OWhat a statement we have here?
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3 r' m5 Z% X  l- a% g6 ^0 w& sJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 K0 d5 R+ h! e5 ^6 C1 Z

. o9 D( E! _0 _" RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ V1 M! Z: w! `

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 L1 [/ G$ |9 O! i; X- _建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
* @- n( J% o9 L* EYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., S- K  Z! }0 N6 ]$ L4 t' N, {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ g, g$ B8 k3 R. E3 R( N. N* ^
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it's starting because we have sins......% I+ h0 }! f+ h: @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* ?: ^3 U: e0 b9 Y- k/ M. Wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# N5 G) _" M, q! \3 s! |
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
. V% b9 C, f' \$ v用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 \3 k( \7 `3 w9 b* p! d* M+ A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 \& X" r5 R+ X2 [
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 v4 [. R# K5 i4 _3 K. H- j) b5 [而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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  q2 `: t: D6 z  {導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  K7 m, R0 y8 [3 [; ^0 Z3 @( n
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 n6 K: V5 R. Z. M( }' ^, N
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& o% O; v0 D6 o$ a
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& b, I6 u: B7 ^1 I4 a% l0 _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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3 A/ Q' y( T+ x7 q1 \- }& @吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. p4 \1 p6 `% B- k) H9 l  \
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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7 E7 n9 o$ q7 p3 d( e$ O以下是其他人的見解,% d0 @5 P' d, U; C$ ]6 O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. k( C4 H+ P( d& I; T
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- A- T# Y3 Z& w% \7 D7 y' J" W
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ {. v& I+ o- B7 y9 t" W, j
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ k$ R9 L+ v4 `/ b# r) [0 @& q

1 o$ B# Y+ a6 X; M# {% W+ D我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 H  I* c, i/ F& H& E9 v

1 E# a% U& M2 {& h* K同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 P0 U, v- G6 a2 |.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." d3 q7 c2 }4 G8 D

( n* c7 P- h3 b/ P2 ^% L9 [+ o$ UYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.