Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
: s1 b  H9 }; {3 Q& r, a我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 G: m* y+ T; A( {$ W3 x又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! v0 Q" H& p! N$ N1 R+ h. Q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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3 V2 o% i+ f; K$ Y; n+ _Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ y9 k+ {2 r: ~4 r6 Z
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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* ]) i& }  @9 R: ^  T# x8 M1 M2 z4 _struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, e0 q/ l. H9 `! B8 X5 d: {- Fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 O' B; I' H( I我只不過微小的基督徒...................; n6 y1 N1 X# I+ h2 u; {
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 o# _3 v5 S8 A/ D7 C0 {, s" g- a
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ m( P: m* z6 \0 X$ B9 ~' i在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 e. s" q  M# ]: v) c0 D1 u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 w+ r7 j# I, J, Z3 i  ^

; o# d% m: W. N: q; nI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., T$ j6 A6 u+ I$ e+ B
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" ?5 B0 T) e! N) ]8 l0 R
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& K. l# \5 d9 H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"2 D" J& U# U* L+ a7 A& `, z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- d2 R; l5 R3 A+ h. i( Ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 e6 P/ F* P+ @

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1 @% O8 H, ~. O. d- U2 w% ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 d" ^; k2 @+ s# s$ H' Gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; V( V* R# A0 n3 h2 v. _( G) w只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: \: D# H8 j& E% l9 j" S5 M
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% r: C, M3 I8 Q7 Y8 X* J' Z% [
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( T! R' y5 t1 ?) v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ {' H7 G* I) d( r0 S  ?! s; {6 \
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. K5 I3 [; o. C! Q$ L7 f
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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4 W) [) N- y8 @* I  w' c2 E一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% ?+ ~+ J6 I$ {8 U4 E6 U" X( {
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,2 a5 X) Z  B5 [4 F7 Y" k' g
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 v$ F5 V5 ?+ V, O& F4 a
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 ^( z" j! S3 F2 n8 a& W
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 D4 y, T! D. D2 E5 [% B  l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 d8 P6 O2 G. r( |
.............信耶穌... ...

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9 D$ m+ S& h' n8 i  `+ J  G; FActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ t. R9 W; |- k  y) D8 y# V- `( F

% h# n; b, d1 p1 B5 |7 w4 pYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.