Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 N3 N$ w  Y3 _% l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到. l  E5 j8 U$ B
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, L% j( R7 j& x" w5 s

4 R5 s9 j# }4 c6 R- G2 ONobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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4 ^! S; `! t6 ^8 e, |& l4 Bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  o3 Z/ A0 \0 v' F2 n( C5 m, ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- m: W8 t; D' k( L
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ I- y3 D- \! Z: E9 Q0 {. y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# ~, a% o2 d* E# c) W2 d, h; {以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- U& @  B& y3 O6 g1 _6 j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. }4 j; v" e9 n. d* O1 ]3 n建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 G0 D2 l1 B, j  ?: ZWhat a statement we have here?- y/ R0 K3 J5 Y/ T

# k" Z8 X& X! E) x5 u$ Z# f' B' }/ gJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 ]! t, O" l$ M) h; j1 Y6 v
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ W/ K' x. D# V0 f
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:+ \7 |2 M$ `& |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' S" X1 r+ P* \1 X- z

( c- L8 D. X- O; yit's starting because we have sins......
( K, z& `2 o" s, S& |/ `, ^+ ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % a2 y$ L* C9 F9 h& y7 @* I
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
- T6 a: v4 r* w1 Y0 S% c只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 _1 U6 a& x- r用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 E9 N( l! `0 s8 {; N+ a這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 x& ]. i& t* O' y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ a! X8 o+ b) q" Z# Z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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& e% B* Y9 u0 _4 R% C+ A導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," ^, C' Q, e2 [  @, p0 b
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% Y& I$ H) Y0 ]4 n7 B5 I' V7 n美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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5 x7 F& k4 M7 E( v' U) N( L3 S宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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# V3 |/ D' f+ a' A" [+ v5 o& j吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! ]* j$ x# ^  E4 z! p信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ V, M! B/ t+ W+ M
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 W1 O6 A! q1 F: X0 F! n  {5 ]
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, Y) g5 V) t* b8 I

4 V1 W" j$ P' V+ G# [  E& B# s不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 o! Y8 g- V; b' p: {6 [: g

$ g0 }1 `9 i) c' ]# F& h我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 m4 h( ?+ b4 l7 `( U) Q  `+ {: y.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....7 n1 L8 t" z4 S; s* E; w4 u
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.