Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ _  w  N& q# Y" c
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  |0 o; U1 F0 I7 H' Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 Y- G5 M) N. b# R0 V: `
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ V9 w/ m' y" t2 ?) g' [我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 n; R; E7 U. J8 `以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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, Y! m8 b5 x+ c# ~# ]$ FWhat a statement we have here?( }9 o# U4 y" p

8 G9 ~2 p  g4 S$ ?7 x. Q: c" eJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   \! V. N) ~9 |# p" j% @2 f5 {
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 q9 \% U) ?5 Z" C
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) W/ J' }/ R+ S, Q
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ @8 T% p$ A- D3 P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 m2 [5 W+ t0 V"不信也沒損失"
% H+ u* e  O9 P4 z, r3 L1 iYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 d% n/ w! a5 z3 W
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......9 ~$ Q7 w6 e" |  `
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - E! h& Z% @9 i. x; a$ F! a; J
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
" B2 L, N9 N) L+ H- Q8 A* H+ q' V只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 |8 F2 p5 a* I7 c0 g0 \; m0 a
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! B+ c$ }. A. F' ^; y5 @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 C! F  n8 `" Z% q. h
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ O4 M+ K, b9 M# Y+ x& V# n" p/ N( J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., M# D* b- b5 T& C; F5 R% ]

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) e9 h* V; C# y* Z# d* ?3 p. l& o吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: x. E0 V7 Q4 X. ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* D9 P; }* j1 ^, y& U6 S4 y

2 k% ~' O; b0 P( {, @& w6 h0 L以下是其他人的見解,
' ?/ v" u3 K3 ^% h' O看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 t! ?  _" u5 r$ F2 N) O. \; D
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 a8 p  V1 [4 E; H2 ~

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  K, L, a1 G) w/ W1 M4 O- P$ L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( T, f1 j. A2 c
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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9 J( ]% H( e: A6 X- L& t同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* |4 X; @+ O: \9 ~( J3 ]' V
.............信耶穌... ...

4 y# M: L( ^- [5 v' i" t& c, aRegarding the resurrection....
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- ~+ [& H' [2 t4 t3 M9 M5 n% |Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.