Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ w2 r8 Z. p9 Y2 m8 Z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到" {* D1 E8 a: I% ~' N+ \9 V# n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- W1 l7 x+ t9 E9 D! n
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 x& t* k/ q% F) ~
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- h  C' H2 l" ~9 }+ v
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 }. c! J8 }; V& B3 @+ q我只不過微小的基督徒...................
2 c& g0 w( w; M3 l1 P0 ~真的!!這不是反話
! B  D& {- N/ s7 s, p: A$ j因為我是情感比理性強的人2 S' D& C4 a! s$ R2 e' c, I
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) w* H. k1 u# T# l以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 P0 O/ e  F1 k. m+ n3 B在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ z% H: @' y' X; T建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; `+ [; H  m+ F/ j6 ]9 G/ ]/ I* L/ l7 eWhat a statement we have here?% x- L1 Q" y* O9 G$ Z

* I  L5 H3 [1 s) j4 k' yJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , `- K; Q- t' z

8 `- \7 _: B) L$ Y4 aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., w1 q: l5 ], c& J- c- c2 ]2 r
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 A2 F3 Q3 |- k1 f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& l9 M/ u1 e3 k"不信也沒損失"
; @7 R5 [& N1 m* sYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 n, F( W* g, J- Z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
6 ^+ u9 I) A$ lsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: y! F. N3 a2 S0 T4 I( l& ?0 [2 dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* I- X. }: V0 T/ Q5 `. I) Z( D! i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 }" j. W% D3 b( u9 B% m0 P
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 ^( T$ Q% U/ |& `! c4 k; s這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ R- n" {$ r3 H# _7 `7 P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 r# u; f) C' l2 i6 v% u7 v- n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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" M5 c* B- X; a$ q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 Z. h* Y! t& z# E# u" w5 i好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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( b# G) b9 b6 J. i一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ ^7 A( L3 T' p( U: a+ V改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
. l& ]9 O& Q1 y* Y3 v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ `+ I  ]) h! N8 R
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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' G7 ]' s: I- L' o( [8 m吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; o* \- Q7 v! O8 R信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ _" u3 c) e' O; N/ X: B; J9 N
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以下是其他人的見解,
) a" W0 J" k+ o& h+ P$ X看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 W$ C+ k% P$ U% Z

( J  D/ P$ l6 b$ q& y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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) X: d$ t$ G+ J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 w# j( X2 N( W
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( x& ], _1 J6 O2 r3 t: Y* G.............信耶穌... ...

5 v* @6 h% x8 I0 m: kRegarding the resurrection....
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  I; c8 d- w  l; p& hActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% }% o, x) u$ c, J+ |6 m8 G
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.