Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 i4 ~& F( W7 c4 k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
& E7 b6 d! q( K+ i* w/ x8 t呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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& v2 z. g2 }# t! X2 xNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., x5 A0 o' u% j$ M$ W( X5 ~

1 F. i5 G0 l  b+ k$ xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 c% S5 k$ y2 Q/ |' N! [# K

/ x, F+ M6 |" a; b& R0 ~# i7 hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- K6 X* E( g' h$ p
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- z6 S! l1 E3 [8 _2 {1 n! x% J# f
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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" }% `5 x" W# V2 }" N3 Y因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ E. f& P" p1 [所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 L* c8 Z! k1 j+ D" \; M以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  m2 D6 h8 ?8 m! ~  t在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% L2 Q1 E& q3 B' D% e& E: n建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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. U! N# p. @; [/ ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! j+ }* k0 l4 |* a  B3 K, X2 p4 q
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! ]9 r$ q2 B4 I' y4 U. M

4 A! @$ r7 E: R1 Q+ S- U/ JLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"8 D1 J; s4 n- h
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 M) I0 {3 |/ H( Q) Wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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! j0 R( D5 F6 X) Pit's starting because we have sins......! |& m5 a( l, d' P4 C% E
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 r" A; k% S" {8 Nour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 g* T6 @- V% [/ q) r1 ?
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 r9 Q. y3 x  }1 r- S$ J用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ C0 e% A% q) D, e* c, Q: [這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' T1 ?- @& v  H7 P# J如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. b% r: A  |+ B* o2 o
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; U$ e, l" r4 i# f& f( ]! C

& H0 a0 ^6 E- t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& `% B# @' }  I  Z& a% M好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 F$ Q  f3 U0 x) }0 |# L# w
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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/ j% A8 }0 _, C) o" O* X* G宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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# c5 |0 B9 i' Q$ M7 t: E# e吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; V) O8 W. A- @6 D信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( V" X% C4 |" b# M# p" }- S1 w

) O* D# l4 S7 R: y, b以下是其他人的見解,
' ~8 d: e$ q5 p" X: O) Q; c2 U$ I看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; o5 S) K( [. [! x
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ E2 B- ]" |" D
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  }  u4 q( ]3 D& ]8 p" ?8 n我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) D7 s8 ?0 e' g2 U- R& [( {

6 D% U/ h4 H- o1 V) K" Q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. ^& q) j7 s( D' T$ Q0 g: J.............信耶穌... ...

3 }: j8 O  L' p2 O. l% k' yRegarding the resurrection....
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; Z# x$ z/ o$ w$ n) VActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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/ G$ k# i8 ~' M, `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.