Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ O  ~5 L8 L6 Y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 @1 [) l, a+ v9 ?0 x; O又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: o- I2 a, A. h6 Z道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 P7 z9 Q* c/ m  Q& r% p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... }+ k1 t) m5 i6 [5 \& U! c* c) h9 o
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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: z- y0 h: C/ R  vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& C+ ~" I" n  `2 x( N7 X, D
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% ]. Q0 e8 ~% Y2 f- F# u% `2 e
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 a6 e4 h" ?& s+ d1 V真的!!這不是反話, e$ ^# ^$ p5 H7 `3 T" \3 k# E" o
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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5 S3 B. O, D2 i- H1 L* e" K1 k: ?8 Z- K- Y在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 u9 R2 h. C2 z& d2 _
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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, F6 l- x/ H, A! b. }+ ?What a statement we have here?1 e: l8 A6 h9 m& N" z: o7 t0 }

$ w, p( m/ A5 R7 Q% K1 Z; `3 ^. ^9 DJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   b- R, K2 b0 L2 S9 t
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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+ a( l& v! h5 u. s"不信也沒損失"
, n, H. W  u, K6 w( J: tYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
! z- E$ d9 D: M# X. K9 [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
1 e% l! R( O+ {; N( gsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! i& m8 `! O6 ]
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 P9 W0 o9 G  c, E) l
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- v7 A0 z& B  z! p這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ o3 K' Z1 c( A6 k# L
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. x7 C  a# v4 y% H! C, K6 l
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 @" n3 p/ l) Y$ u
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& L* p- a, o! r2 K6 Z; |

+ r0 \- V0 e$ T" S; s; c一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," D5 e  M0 F# j0 k' y, a
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 v* ?2 {& R: }- }( o/ R4 T) B
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) h7 X# j$ I7 ~% ^# I* a7 ]5 t/ \
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) J9 j6 }+ s, g2 m
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* ~% M& \5 |1 I

0 _- c- c2 N' u$ e  j* T; Y' U5 o以下是其他人的見解,: K% ^  M  O" j4 I
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 y; a+ Y$ M: Q+ W( u5 m6 n

3 e& b! a. x6 Z# O信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, Z; D" j7 k) M3 T- p6 H
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) I" H6 O1 ^* z& H9 Z* A
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ w! B( {0 c( b8 k4 _$ B, J
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 N9 p* [4 W7 Z( H7 a
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.