Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' V' @3 U" {" w我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 E  P' n" [* z; z# t又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. j" j2 [+ a3 s' l
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 x; j- |! ^6 l

+ K( W  P& B: YNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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: \* p7 D1 J) Q- G% }) amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ f$ ?! }& K' ]. T# ^cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  {0 E6 V" T" [( a2 K
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人% _3 Z4 T8 x# F
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# W. m; g, A1 P: a
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: d1 y) R$ S* t  B, B$ p; z( h
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 [0 H4 t0 K* r$ n8 A
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  J3 s9 K" w% N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" u  Z1 H7 x, L* Z! H& ^  RWhat a statement we have here?' U! t1 {$ S1 s- Y; r5 {8 T
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   ?4 s2 j& B) |' L1 O& p4 r
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* ^9 j- T9 R& ]$ t

& V  l; v% y- _4 x* K' x# @Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
9 t7 G  Q4 m& U; L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- y$ Y& n$ {! l: S" N4 M"不信也沒損失"
0 J( u2 i& _9 Q! NYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# O' ~5 \: Z! k5 u
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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' c7 T0 d# r( o. c5 Q' jit's starting because we have sins......# d, A. Q2 i, u. H% L( X* G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 f# p, C8 I$ ~/ C- ?( P只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ U. v9 `3 I( @( Q3 ?8 ]2 ]4 {/ L
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* f  k3 d- q  F2 M; I這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" r& E5 g3 w3 p) M$ Z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ v- T9 `% z' \而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 c  v$ G* p) j7 m) ]) q% t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 Z& t2 l. A3 a3 j% V5 J好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  v# O: E1 ^( ]4 o- [4 y+ |
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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! d, o% W1 t2 Z) {美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具  O, g5 w" K9 \: `
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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8 d5 @/ e. u  R2 I0 _6 I( P以下是其他人的見解,1 P% _8 X' B' M5 F; J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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7 m. k% I8 z# H4 F$ C9 s$ }信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 l( q6 H' _5 P/ s
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 \6 l9 i8 E# b- W

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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) k: K) |% r, V) y3 M. z9 i.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....! j8 E2 u* h) ]
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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; S; R  \$ t0 }! p% nYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.