Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# q4 G3 c% ?8 }5 `) ^5 {9 e
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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5 J) J% N+ t% V6 c) R道理我知道好多只係做吳到: X. n. _; B! a3 e, o
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' V/ H: U% k9 vNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# b  `# J. N+ c

4 O% A  P/ S! P/ w4 t; g( o3 p) n$ nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 J+ y$ L3 R  s- ]& Y) P8 `* Q+ A

, e) N' G' c- E. mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% y: j2 m( |9 L- `
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, R. ~! J$ z. ~- X. z% ]) Z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 w1 f7 `1 H/ M# J
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: v/ z* D0 j0 j8 S以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ I  k0 M4 u  U; n在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* d7 h, ?! z. K+ t$ }
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) p1 Q  {# r5 j; M# O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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6 C+ j2 X  ^* L# I4 \* OJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- O8 m7 n! @- m  U7 U" OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ f8 p# j: K  ?2 [5 E% |
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ `, B  W; n1 D! K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") Q0 }' y  O: @+ Z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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9 k+ L6 y0 q& a+ kit's starting because we have sins......- K' s# N- `# [- B
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 F9 Q1 _6 F% X  [0 f. j
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; l# X( f$ c# `% {  c5 F! N  o0 p  D
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- F  Y$ R8 `6 ~% C0 f  ]
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- _. V) i) c# h- Z# [! a7 L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! Q0 j' u( a+ a9 e) ~+ m
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 M2 \6 Y% f. R$ p/ S/ x' @! s
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; f, D' s) o; z2 W" t9 ]* I

/ E8 T8 H2 t3 E! ~) S- ~) A導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 n) G0 R# g) N: ^0 ]) O+ _& E
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- g* U( t# E2 I! N0 N

1 v8 h, O7 l# |( M4 M; j宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) ]: \  \4 b# F! w; _8 I
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ z6 N' D5 a! J, Q
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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! u. `9 `- ]* s信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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3 z( W. u0 i; i$ m我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% C1 Q1 R$ E, Y: W5 ].............信耶穌... ...

2 h2 t8 r( l) f/ O! s4 D! VRegarding the resurrection....
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3 H7 }  |: W1 N: vActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 M- v" n: p8 w0 a7 ?
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.