Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 Z$ s! ~$ m6 ~9 X+ Z, n- C我係一個連自己都吳信的人
$ v7 Y. s" o% O" h$ b( m* Y0 P! M又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# A$ s' S- p  ?3 t
道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 X% p8 L  g2 M6 s; R
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( k% a1 W4 n0 r4 A. c. P1 ^% N( [

; l4 |- Y; ]  K, h2 _% j" Emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# V9 k( B) M$ V) Y+ _  [9 B

4 L5 t* h! _2 q  k+ pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! f/ ]' l# T, {. B9 Dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 Z8 g6 c! w. X& h8 k( k
我只不過微小的基督徒...................- c6 L, d: X5 e) }/ a* Y- J( m5 y9 i+ V
真的!!這不是反話; ]% ?. q: L. @* u  R
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% _5 I7 P" z& ]
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" R& j5 P# X3 f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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9 w6 B1 J2 k: S& FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ x- W. U- j* ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 n! O7 t  W) {! f. S

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ Y4 n. e7 @( U5 Y, ^建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! p+ r+ {9 I% `9 k6 R"不信也沒損失"
/ I4 _) [) Z$ l' P! y' m0 m3 ~Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- {: L6 |4 K9 {: s% N2 O
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." G% B0 B# p1 J& u- A3 P
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it's starting because we have sins......
3 p, Q5 ~5 c& g$ w, c! bsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 G5 _* b$ f% `4 Xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 D/ _/ Y6 K! o, p& c只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  v5 A1 o% @- q# `; [( e, u/ w& k) ~. _# a
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 z6 }1 L* {+ V$ J- X- o  Y: y' ]這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 P6 S: k0 k4 T1 @+ c如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ h% ?) Y8 J2 o, h% Y% o" I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 p! W' O/ q  x
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# D0 ~" Y3 U) h/ S- t/ O一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ v- r) V# q) _) q! ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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7 d( n; r' m7 j8 ?- p$ d宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具) N3 f4 t! F; [# a. d

  m* E4 |' `4 P: h+ p4 X$ u吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 a' K2 J' w- ~% q. g
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,( k) J* O7 B1 J  \) J- Q: o
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 r6 {& Y4 v( o+ h5 S
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& ^% |9 u6 k2 _# E, h/ J
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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7 i- }- }8 W4 _) s3 Q3 v6 z, n同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 _! x8 n/ N, [' D4 m, c0 p
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.