Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( ~; G/ }, u1 {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人" b- V6 m$ D7 U& l5 `2 H5 {
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 l2 Y8 H: D  S
道理我知道好多只係做吳到* ?  A( \% h9 Z7 M
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! R6 m* Q  s$ s$ c+ r4 W- e

* |: e/ A/ E) I  h1 C1 C0 }Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 e, L% g& t5 d) A

% a4 q; A: e8 {* v' T5 ?9 i1 [mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! J- a7 r* G, V+ e; u  h+ C5 f

: [' ~9 ~/ p) v- k6 Ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; C$ }' }! G6 P
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- d: C* U* ^  h1 Q& `" v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# s( Y. R( \$ _
真的!!這不是反話! e4 A' O$ F* N, w# m2 R
因為我是情感比理性強的人4 `3 [: Y# m3 u6 |' [! i3 X/ A
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- j) r& a2 }4 r( e8 D
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' o" D% i& K' J# z5 g' f6 ?4 c
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 f5 J1 @, {2 f, [" |; G/ a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* v& e! D3 Z0 T# F8 FWhat a statement we have here?) f/ Y7 f7 W3 O# g" {3 B. T& h
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 F/ k9 l" d  X1 S( y" k; J
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" w3 @! v* M: B6 I! E5 [' i
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( a- o4 r' D# B3 c$ F( d8 c2 |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
; E( _% U1 e% D- GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ t4 D- B% }9 g7 _  G* M, rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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, i( z' p  u% k+ d$ y  vit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 ^9 j8 |1 e! F8 r* p
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 _2 X: [  ^/ R
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% i9 S- Y+ A9 Y8 b% {這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' f6 N6 r3 H& E$ ?" d如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 H. U& L* _" Z8 H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 X& S# ?* e- V" Z( j4 R導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% c% ~; A$ A. Z6 T) @0 N" B好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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$ v7 j% ~6 v* z$ \% b9 l: G一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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* A3 H. ]# n$ n1 _) x( \  T吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( o4 D) s: U/ c* ]/ Z% g- e信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 H  m7 E, N; u6 ]" P. w& ~

. o) N. H. |5 r6 `2 b以下是其他人的見解,
/ v$ {; ?# h9 R8 N. v. e0 }% A3 P看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤' S) h+ f# ]# h( i% |3 P, L/ w
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ M. B" ?$ y% e- b5 }) _

4 u! ]" N7 v% V6 P  B( R2 X信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ d' e# z, a+ l+ A% B. D0 ~
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 Q) e( U8 }% q: P+ ?' K
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 E7 W3 e3 H) ?0 I  L" i. N
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:2 v; S  k6 H- _7 @2 Q6 j
.............信耶穌... ...

0 K& ^1 V$ D* g' |9 jRegarding the resurrection....8 H  A+ i: M% W/ }0 R
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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3 o% G% t# S' W- x; ^+ JYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.