Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 f! \9 {( _( {" a: x! \
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& Z, q  S. K/ T* J+ t2 j
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ Q2 K7 U* _! Z7 x6 d; E  L3 a! j
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 r! q! V% H* O# _呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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! E# f9 l  I6 m: p* V' yNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 M* Q3 P% |4 L3 N% E. Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# i' d$ `. k$ s' _/ @+ x5 S

- c$ t# z' G5 {struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% z) P/ F' O: _
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人' h1 C: {8 ?0 V  f/ [3 l
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; y! s' i8 G  B' E
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. y9 i, o/ L7 N) }+ V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?4 _! i0 D, n3 `# R
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , e" u/ o+ `1 b
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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* j' S# g+ N, R/ W"不信也沒損失"
7 L, y- p  @# d- O  uYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; r( L/ _9 O" r, Kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( o; P# p6 V8 U7 R6 Q& s# ait's starting because we have sins......, ]) l) A& N# Q: J7 J
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
1 L5 A* {4 M* m: G+ bour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") H0 l* S: I! i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 [4 l$ `0 y$ q; B3 U4 Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& a% u; _" S" D
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) ^) E( G8 l, `6 o; d9 M
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 v; E7 ^. k7 o" |
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' [$ @$ B* U: l" d' R3 W
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* ]- [% C. D: P0 \: J4 f2 A
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 F$ ^1 f3 l1 O' O7 X

6 `5 L: b3 ]! z4 I% W/ t一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) s  P5 m- p: H8 G9 t0 W1 S

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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, F% x) r' d5 ~) o) J: @5 S7 D以下是其他人的見解,
* P$ w- _! |( _* _看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  b! I/ w, A* B3 j
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 E0 v- B6 W& P.............信耶穌... ...

) g9 V; H8 Y4 n; `% tRegarding the resurrection....
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  O3 G# k* f5 b/ P/ _% Q7 @" yActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ ]1 c" y* I6 O& h) l% s

, F# j7 M- m$ hYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.