Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' C3 J4 Z/ ?) @- \/ V" Q2 p我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 L" k! P7 I* t
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 S. L  g; s+ K6 n
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
& C) w9 s" R. E呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- |2 }7 C% S5 i& r* G  PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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0 v: a! C$ D% z0 ]+ Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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7 y* a/ m+ `( y. x; astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ Y; I$ |! }! ^我只不過微小的基督徒...................% U8 K& X' ^" }: Q% r4 n, J
真的!!這不是反話  {5 Z, S" m5 F/ f/ f$ \( M. u5 {  Y
因為我是情感比理性強的人" w, T) T$ p1 N! E5 E# f0 Z' E
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, @4 z. @; h# |- j3 P. k5 d/ n. Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& B% K- K4 [. W; d3 z/ \
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 r1 ]& a  I2 c
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% x; q( a$ B1 g# I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: ]; O5 _# u% F, n) b+ d* vWhat a statement we have here?9 H) {" u- p- n

0 O+ v: D' `/ Y6 K, yJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 B) a* g2 O! B$ @: \% K4 G

* s8 n0 F2 O; U) @( n$ aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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8 K: Z$ T5 v$ {' W% @Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 F( W$ s- b& ]1 C7 s2 b: w( c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
' v. G9 ]0 j4 s1 r# @' O6 A; f2 q- QYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' I2 Z. u! l5 U/ l+ `/ \
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# s  \2 W$ K1 W8 t9 f, q

; X% a1 }/ w0 T: q  iit's starting because we have sins......
/ F1 s7 H3 a8 n3 n: Y1 |! u8 isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 T/ Z$ ?" J6 |% J: pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
0 g. F9 _4 U* ~; Z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* Z! h9 T! q1 H* P) M用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& g) [) S/ m+ x0 O7 @0 N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, _" d6 J6 m( ]( \8 H
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) }, K1 |; z6 `而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ S. [. \8 f8 f: q
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  A" L+ K: t, k; I$ @! X
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 w- R- x5 b7 Y' u: K
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& U% R* j2 w$ B; c
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ b+ M0 K4 |+ d* l8 ?. Z& z美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& I& J+ @6 s$ w! ~3 Z. p
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 l# \. @. ]$ Y9 _
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 |" B* U% |, g6 t3 W- p
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. M+ J2 J; }$ z4 M& O
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以下是其他人的見解,1 z2 G8 C" [; F9 ]& |  r- ?% g+ K7 B
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. x! R& l  d: o/ _4 R# X
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ m3 \" S: h+ z- x, N) O7 F
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 C( E* N1 r1 [) ?$ }/ X

# @1 G' y1 X' Z$ d/ c不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 i' E- c) X; \我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 Z% a( t$ I8 A; d& D9 [# ~
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 g: A6 e# [0 J2 }3 i5 H.............信耶穌... ...

% ~1 i5 m' N, B+ e) h% `Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* [, P- h5 q1 h$ {

- [9 c# u) ~8 G% H: \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.