Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 L) Q2 P' o* i2 Z+ O  h& s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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/ k( i8 @7 @& N" ^; G道理我知道好多只係做吳到  z$ P) P- t; a$ R/ A  Q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# d0 Q7 l" I9 c$ wNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% J1 r4 O5 \2 e0 L( _% U

1 f& V3 z' a3 A% A5 c$ _; oNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 J+ F' ~2 a# w2 a/ _- k
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 Z5 O: P& d" ]& @7 G
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....2 C* K/ y  O" P3 b9 U* d) B
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人1 w& `! j  K* D
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( T$ `2 y0 q" A( E+ z5 K以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ }' Y- S! n6 G( f/ Y7 z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ ^% u; L4 O- [) D; Q6 v. n
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* n3 w4 ^# m& k* n. o! Q. B" w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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+ t( z9 h! {/ r8 J6 k3 n* wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ i: y5 j$ u: _, M, d% \
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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3 O; ^: K/ _) e+ s% j- \: r"不信也沒損失"
$ a2 a) u0 P' P" W6 _Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......& ^! V8 u. U1 ~. r4 c* E  x: n% R* A
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ E2 j5 L+ F3 @; `
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
1 o1 _! ?$ M7 S只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 q/ U' O8 e3 d' d2 R$ v& o) _用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( o& Y* e, X+ j6 h6 J這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& Q$ ?5 C) O5 S8 x- a& h8 s
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. e% y3 K& \( I  T0 I3 Q4 K0 \
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 i" Z- G9 o# X' f
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  r+ R, Q/ W. m1 K$ A% \" Q* s; d
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 `; p4 I0 ^& o" h7 c一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, Y, D0 Q% o, ?7 C& u% @1 e
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 K! S3 E' j3 _0 c' S3 e. I美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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$ B6 \1 I$ ]3 h+ N7 K  B1 b5 l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 j7 L- I3 a8 I0 i1 [$ L( w( }
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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. m2 u1 s; H$ _. a以下是其他人的見解,
0 `1 n0 ~0 `; R( |看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; }/ g# @7 g- }) ?& l
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 h9 b9 x9 ~  g/ x0 ?8 T.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....) |/ q2 [& W  m8 C! f4 b$ j
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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! J: A4 M" w4 a  u% jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.