Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  _, \. j) |8 D+ X$ K9 o我係一個連自己都吳信的人
/ e: T- ]9 o' ~又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ T, z1 Q3 T4 r7 p& c: f道理我知道好多只係做吳到( K+ i( h" H" _' O5 X
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ l% Q. b. V5 p" m3 q: H) PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! L# A% t8 d% B6 M. q
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... N/ Y* ^. J% o* I6 z- Q/ F+ F

0 X2 E* z3 S4 W: cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 I* c) u$ `1 U  ~cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' f6 d4 v" W/ \) x, \7 ]1 F我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 {! t! K2 h2 w0 q& t
真的!!這不是反話
3 D! |  N, w* Q5 {. i' u, I2 C因為我是情感比理性強的人1 n& M% A# z6 s
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 K% Q7 q/ B. ^: V以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 a+ [! T" O: z8 G7 L& R- m在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 E: ]+ W* I8 N, M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) k( _( t; V. w, u3 }2 \6 qWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " w4 i. v7 e$ g0 @

- o8 H$ W5 F% r9 sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* M6 }$ g: Q( q/ O3 ]Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 g6 x' S& j& R1 u) Y
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- P3 \! J9 _- s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' `% a- w- `& n: p$ d! A"不信也沒損失"1 E3 ?6 e: X8 P" ?) u
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." d0 B" @* `" p, u! ]; N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* D- {8 h4 r: n7 X! W) O0 r/ k
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it's starting because we have sins......
9 f; [8 p* j5 H5 E# y2 k. o( ]' Y8 Lsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 X9 o6 P8 c6 mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 u8 O, P* G) }' Y& j9 ~+ F/ u
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# h6 Q& {! ]( N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 ?2 [% Q* i, o- i- n這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# I/ J% O2 u" }0 W' j, J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 C. S# Q6 A1 _1 u& h
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 m  E; U; z$ _導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( b8 T4 y% U' V( r好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# J9 z" o" {9 D" \& Q9 G一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
0 k6 d- @# `0 E' |. \# B改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
: _. F1 K9 a( F" ^- U  k美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. n! `/ S  Z. B7 |4 z) ^  o
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& r  Y  P1 y  M0 n, I. G, k+ X% S
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以下是其他人的見解,+ }" R1 I5 d3 ?" p% k2 N
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 a3 x+ u- u. y+ ]" s' i
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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, l, M1 \% {/ V不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- ^1 k% v1 i9 a

6 J8 p5 s% r  X5 D我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 D6 T- a' s% f1 G# x8 H

7 O, M: L) k4 l( P: w- V- t同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 T/ q1 s3 n9 M$ L1 T6 Y( [6 _
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; [1 w( I0 b2 b' Y% e% t

$ K( P8 L# E2 g( ^- R7 iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.