Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 k# N8 Z9 e0 o0 |* p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到" ?7 J. V7 ~! }
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' Q/ K( N/ w/ M- e( L" |

, T1 k- I( R- k, G7 eNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  M( S4 O- \. v, l1 Y) c

4 `8 |$ b- O, }struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 F, s6 z0 p) P. W8 \$ z- T7 Ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話7 p4 k  f1 ~# w, A: V  P( y
因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ V: |+ Y7 W; N9 R& u所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  z/ J* n+ C- _以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* M  e' h0 W) _$ I! R6 o- g9 z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: L2 A: z+ r7 c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?- X5 [8 r& k; r3 I# r# w5 w

5 J4 ?- N. G; R' B" g( IJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! |6 _7 s* \9 T2 f7 f

8 c9 R, r1 u0 Z8 e7 `$ F' Z" cLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" a' F" L) n) I  @% _! J% i

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  w) a( e, U. d; s8 \8 a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 D3 Q/ d1 X5 f2 P"不信也沒損失"- s, G8 Y% G% u- S7 H
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) c) t) @+ u- d4 {( a8 v1 o
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ _; Q* N% v  f8 |' E; l, A
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it's starting because we have sins......
+ m0 X0 R3 n9 l. L* ksatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ s1 M& w! @3 R8 mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& Y: N' U/ Z2 n# t6 i* G
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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' o8 ~# N, h+ m- {" \) o導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- m; w5 @/ q, v8 e, M7 t& k好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 D1 J5 O# t$ S0 S9 _2 a: |: L
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
* w$ i7 V' |' y% f4 x改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
! I. P* |+ ?5 ~* I  W美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* A1 k8 I. `% T' s( f- q1 [
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% d" K- Z. d. ^) G" x- b
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以下是其他人的見解,
! w3 I9 I3 C1 l* t! Z& [# G- v6 w看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ y- k, M+ }" p( k" Q
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ b0 W* m6 U3 n; z& v

0 g, j3 A1 y. `6 @不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 [7 N: y4 _# @1 N) k- L
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- Z8 _" p* |3 {/ Z( S

4 _8 V9 y9 M3 V3 X/ S( r! G" Z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 n  s/ J/ n7 \
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& X! o( l# z' O& ]. \1 X2 mYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.