Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) E/ d; L' |2 g. K' `7 p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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3 J# L6 H3 R+ M3 B7 s$ ^- b- J$ w( O道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  P8 R' s) O+ E: a# c( B呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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* i' i/ k% E& L' b7 `Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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/ U3 Z9 B& q5 [; I1 c1 j9 x4 g6 wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....1 {& B. z0 f/ x: E0 n
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# w6 A2 {/ m! W% H6 a0 A+ q7 v& G  E0 e* A
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 N; I1 c( ~, k" r/ ]
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 G; I- r! z8 j1 ~0 M5 s
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, u5 [* s  O# q$ [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 w( S% r1 I2 j: U2 H1 C
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 A3 ?' K8 l" O2 x# x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. W7 Y- O% c+ q$ m; i, `# Z1 ~( XWhat a statement we have here?
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* H) D' q! L7 z) l! T/ hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / L' S  R, G/ F# K$ w
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 l3 U0 W& {* h; I
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 M+ i0 c! n9 O* Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
9 T8 {& Q0 B; l9 H1 u( hYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....  Y. }9 X1 G6 T" H  d4 u* B
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 O0 U% Z+ K# c& `5 a

- @) t) F- x2 H. f$ i2 Qit's starting because we have sins......
* ~; v% H1 B7 c! ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 w' U' W$ L1 h9 Q7 s+ z) @
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 E/ F; H5 k! e+ ~' P只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 ]) x- I0 d- C, Y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' l' o! d  A! x9 [這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 ?% d  \) `! |6 j
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 h  Y6 l9 X$ H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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7 L4 i. l8 |4 ?8 Y" X  x" ]導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; d: S) F$ ^8 P
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ l2 N* [+ ~5 u! _改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: c7 o/ U) ]" Z/ z  }# F  p吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; B+ T. H3 F: Z( N; ]/ M8 ~信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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4 |  f7 e( }: x4 D9 v以下是其他人的見解,; E" w& c# T! g6 P! ^
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 `9 w. k# p6 i- J不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( S* p4 l% ]7 S4 m/ }* ~
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 h+ e9 W" y4 J8 q, \2 d! X. o: a
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( C  Q, j9 o' J4 _* _4 G4 J! Y" Y
.............信耶穌... ...

& R+ _9 l( r5 Q! wRegarding the resurrection....% j4 i4 ~( z# c( T0 v1 z  L

6 ?1 L; c7 U# c( \Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 ^1 q2 m* l& q$ i: A; u

0 X- W% c: b* O- i# p3 d' H. EYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.