Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' q6 C  `; e$ \5 _* o- W( u1 i/ h
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
# G- `5 l' m$ {又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 j$ y0 [4 M* L7 V道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 R( C# |2 H3 s, E% h呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 o# q; D2 @+ f  I. i# V& Z/ d* l4 ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; g, X8 d! v4 j7 Ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 c  ?- g- z/ c1 Y6 a! Pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 G6 L, P4 `$ I! P- s$ K
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人: q' M$ ]% |' \* z8 F
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 r4 M% r, k  W+ j- p2 u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: L% X" i  H% }3 h4 {9 c在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% w# u: x5 Y5 c2 C8 A5 w
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- K+ Q$ P  P5 |" {5 a- Y) AI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) |& U2 [* E$ T8 h) E
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" o9 T  c! Y& r8 B6 j4 c

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
+ a: m/ N8 L. NYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ l! v7 g  Q8 g5 |7 m; y& Z7 D& P( Wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 P2 ^1 K# i2 z$ j+ v

" z6 D  B9 l% jit's starting because we have sins......3 S. Z: B# v# R' J# X9 P% y' _
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 W3 {5 D) D9 }, e: V# @* kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' E! h/ o# X5 y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 G( u$ V* p2 \9 N0 t9 J
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 h- L2 h: }' v. F4 A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 p2 v9 T2 ^0 Y0 Q0 }  o" m0 t6 t
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; Q, h. l0 m" J& ?! d
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& [+ R' i3 z0 v( h* e

. m( M# C" A1 x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ `8 Q3 g$ {4 ]! x, A: g. K! K好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: O/ m, t' A2 D; P* o' H+ }1 ^

+ b* @8 c+ s+ Z* U& |一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 E) S1 T: N  P改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 N9 n/ A# J# g' }$ L美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 q& U$ \2 U; s9 ?9 s
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' z7 g, B6 ~% \* _) r- N$ U
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: I  @' y' c& c- P以下是其他人的見解,
- u1 E$ Y$ p' R# T  l, C看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
9 m# Q) ~& ~- x' X2 T7 F$ t, Hhttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 y! L+ e, C0 S- V( E1 w
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 l' }7 p/ G) M1 A$ s- ^

; N; j. {8 |5 l" z0 d+ V7 B1 C我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 t8 c$ ~8 V2 ~# i+ ?) \
.............信耶穌... ...

7 n- P$ P* o( J: oRegarding the resurrection....
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( I+ X1 `: A2 H. B* rActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 C8 m0 j" E  G0 D6 R- `
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.