Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. s/ b: q% `9 U$ \
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 a( i; j3 j1 L  t1 C: k2 i- ?7 v$ C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& C* R' ?# C0 S5 G2 D
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 V3 L- [: ~& M呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 K5 b' C9 u/ o

- d" F1 |# u* j- H; r* `4 ZNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 c3 Q8 W" D7 P! h* y4 ~% Z) q

. `, A+ N0 v& A+ Cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... C$ @3 _* Q& I  l/ T: p2 K

5 E4 q8 k: C8 n4 P2 E# J; b9 q7 Estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- F" l' U$ n" l0 Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% E/ h- g+ g% k3 u3 J  Z我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人( Z9 M. O8 _4 {9 [
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, @) Q! G: ~/ E5 V0 B, H) ^以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ i/ ~* B+ o) _/ k, ^% z6 j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 }3 t: r& m! ?! K& ?  E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( I1 @$ `( Z( ^4 P5 GWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 r  P6 y' ?+ r; k- M9 j4 wLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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# }' O8 v6 L( G* A8 N* o:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* e9 ?, T9 l  `0 t8 C* d/ U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) B8 H0 [$ b: ?! a8 Q0 v: R! ?2 {"不信也沒損失"% ~# U# k2 g  b/ O
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 R7 K! a- H) A3 g! O) z& ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 u7 v) J2 y* h5 T/ Wit's starting because we have sins......
8 R9 Q9 R2 A2 E0 F% ^satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! v% }4 P# q) b* u! f( ^9 J& h0 O
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 E# J- c. F# b4 J% v
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# u: ?2 @  M6 N% M
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; n9 w3 s1 o: B8 y9 M: g' `( n
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ ]& p' {9 O! f3 W' T6 C7 I
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: K5 H4 e5 B# w8 f6 k+ j
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 X6 P1 G! b$ o' C& G5 i5 ~9 e* w
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." M# r1 o9 w& P/ x
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 f! ~5 U' ?9 m% n
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, w5 P6 r7 L8 t+ }# o信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,5 t# Q9 }2 B9 o7 O; N, S# i4 f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 o1 R$ S+ U# T# K" z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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: A; Z: P" [" o我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: T$ K/ d. N: V

9 \9 ^! {* h+ S: b# W7 i: Q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* x; l  @- y9 C! y) R  P
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...." d5 l7 H: g" ^8 `1 x1 g1 u6 b5 m

9 a* k- y; o, b+ `! c4 GActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 c4 M/ E$ J* Q0 m$ n  R
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.