Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# ~4 t6 E& n- J9 d, ^- [, p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
6 i* x1 x7 p4 B% R1 l又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 a" K% j5 {- I1 w道理我知道好多只係做吳到* c( m7 E1 e* t6 Q) R1 n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% f# G$ @9 @) Q: F  `Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: l6 i: ]+ z4 X+ b1 g; _9 Y
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ M! `5 W9 P$ A" v/ X

6 T. ]4 {. u' S# T/ @3 m& t/ `' @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 @: u) F6 C' ^cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 u% M1 E9 T% v) n我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人5 [% u% l  v6 e* o8 K
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 v' _: D/ p* z7 m: i- a6 M8 A5 H% I2 x以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 l8 b! J* I0 I& x
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 M! I9 \; B; }9 M# T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) S7 _) z/ _- k3 m  M  V
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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, _0 x3 I" r1 M2 {9 m' j2 XI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. u1 `- A. t5 d, d. V6 h/ n

& t. |) K0 g  @$ T0 @Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:+ L# u, @: i% d5 e8 d8 S: O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ ?  R% B1 C0 S( C* m"不信也沒損失". X4 }% r2 K, |$ o% K
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 E/ x) S0 q' A9 y* p  ?but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 ]9 E, n5 r) Y1 W  B+ J4 w

$ x  R& S: k4 v" Zit's starting because we have sins......3 w4 h7 O' u: _0 B8 I1 M
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ f+ v6 ]) O  i) |& j/ @
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ `$ w2 l5 f* i1 m2 k
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 Y4 w0 ]: [2 M; K用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* d% \$ Y6 S% ], v這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ O- o& g$ z& {) v8 |( d& e; P! U& C; B% m
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: P  A8 @6 V2 R8 n/ c8 B
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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$ a- v2 `% l, Z& ^) _導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, \" _& D, Y5 T& D3 b好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- ~, z' B& @8 i2 g: {& [5 j

# j/ s2 e( O) d. _* Z0 b一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 ?, F  J4 G, `- H, [( w改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ I7 L" {4 f* t9 Z美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., n' Y& r; L9 U

% ~1 f" s5 l' G3 R宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, T/ Z/ ?( n8 S+ L" Z5 D$ `3 _1 M9 z5 _
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 T; W3 z6 U8 L; e/ \
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以下是其他人的見解,1 @) \0 a6 H4 C8 a8 B; N& w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 H: {! ^( \3 ?! i! U
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ L6 {# F- p8 l+ {
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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1 i+ G& W' D. b4 _/ M8 W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: D# F9 Z2 A: T1 `5 q$ \6 c' I- v

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ _3 a; m# l  Q7 B6 n+ g5 N' X! h.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....5 J! d5 Y; O& F  r

5 q% o9 R9 _, l# L3 UActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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2 D* C, i& _+ B  \6 FYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.