Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; g: D0 s( v" l# A* x8 G; F
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 t! q# o0 k! a* E
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 ^6 s: E- k6 I  `mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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3 U8 ]* G' R, y; W: o) m9 istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....1 S; Y3 b% C0 s  o  H
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; w5 |; E/ [1 i5 J  v以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# H5 x4 n/ E& o
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 }  S& B1 n6 @, `' H$ V
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
5 Y9 Z. @  A8 Q- @2 p建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?9 U* A7 u8 T* }0 z+ W% V) e8 q  [! Y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . n) h6 a. ~) l4 e  X' P
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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, U9 w! a$ O, LLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 n( [. y4 O2 b' _" K  R

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 ~& Y. e; [) U, ?# |; y/ Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
. D& X( s# S+ j9 pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* r8 l; H9 {( E7 Q, i" a8 u: x& W
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) _* r6 L4 `; _  C9 m" \
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it's starting because we have sins......
9 {( q9 _6 q! B- ]+ Hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. d1 g* i9 C& Eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 U2 Y' g3 Q8 E4 s5 u  e! A( h6 V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' u+ W% Q1 v0 D9 M$ J% o' e
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! @1 B" q' ~9 B( A; X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 R  z& J1 W5 W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 L2 y, f" ?8 J
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 J! H8 O$ f8 C! s$ \& V. {改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ y" z0 ~! \7 D* X9 G6 h  x美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- F. u& s7 |) j7 {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,. a$ E2 B0 ?* I0 L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 w" M2 S2 b0 I: ~* I, Z! D
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" b6 O9 f* N0 C

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# v$ R/ z  `  X- m' N

: C. t* x4 L$ W7 S9 C6 D8 i我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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2 A4 C) `3 K9 G# s同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. V# M& a1 i: M1 N3 {7 ?" c. f. q
.............信耶穌... ...

6 V) ^$ g* Y6 L# c3 RRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 n5 `8 N3 ]9 m# o( h. T$ t. t: ^% ]

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