Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  M5 b4 d" L  f' O' }
我係一個連自己都吳信的人. o# B! n8 `& U( a8 A% c" W
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢, B; P3 @$ t$ p
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
6 j6 ?0 L* C- D( c3 t呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" G. {8 n: H) t5 YNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 K( z  V; I! G; |- v' v4 R

% J2 r5 n$ E( u6 n5 qNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- l, R, ~# `1 M6 W- A, {mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  t% Q' P  h' ?5 u& c8 r
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
) |: J1 M- \. p" Icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 C' y& ^, H4 c) h  O$ \( A) ~3 J& l
我只不過微小的基督徒...................) S! _* O0 W4 H% K1 n" i" m
真的!!這不是反話. _' V2 T: I3 n& U, I' L
因為我是情感比理性強的人
& `3 \9 M; z& Y. E* A所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 x: [1 F' y& ~& A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: L% `, h* l0 p& M在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  a* ]% t' U% d
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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; {, ^' z3 {8 i! BWhat a statement we have here?
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' N  V6 K. L, ^0 f7 M% r! U& }Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! k! o0 ^# ]5 F9 F

$ h& G/ v  U0 J* ^  Y7 nI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 S( c2 t/ G- g3 J, c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"/ V% \" O$ y8 N- o9 c4 Y; I+ e
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) [" O$ M5 w2 h1 {6 V2 _( }% a
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 c+ Y+ E" d9 Q* Y

) h6 w; f, N$ n& tit's starting because we have sins......+ M, Y$ P2 [$ o1 S! Z% p
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- x! t  G- a* ~; w5 S+ Iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
6 ~9 }9 g' R, }" z/ S( X3 f; g只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* W: _" B2 h5 L8 E% {用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- _/ B3 o0 \/ W& |& R5 Y& [
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; s1 j1 k4 d8 u: ~8 K5 g' Q9 r
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* c$ h& R& p; I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' a9 {, E) H6 E) _: j

& X3 s2 M* [* m# z: p0 G5 n導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* {- ?, Z6 C- o4 ?% v& ~0 ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 ~( A% D2 V2 K3 H
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ m- Q8 I; `% \6 l
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& u0 O& A: ?4 t美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! d" t" S* }4 {" |( g! P2 [宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 W& W- B" W. ~- |# k& n" ~; F' i

: R- B) U. P7 \; c7 n% i; d# ^吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, E+ }) I- H& V  @) s
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ R, r* P) Q2 J& h
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以下是其他人的見解,5 T2 ?$ k) s9 T8 l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 I! o- ^' M7 F0 I, F  U信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# ^% ^( K, k+ |; R3 {

) U- o8 s' |' [1 B! O( E6 l# f0 ]不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  `2 a' z  v6 u" T1 f0 c

' l" r& Y9 u; J( M  @$ q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 R0 g4 j- R- w7 ~1 y1 E/ T3 F
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....5 c; x7 Q) J/ {

" {3 d! Z9 |# M% KActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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) q  y; M" Z1 t$ o7 h* [You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.