Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: h! w  x+ I. u* x/ h0 _
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
( y) ^9 Y' K0 O0 f" R又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 O6 A* _- ?* f# d
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 u0 p+ r' F$ y4 _呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( n+ i  X0 C2 }8 f4 P9 INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) i; w  N; O+ S/ f% v( v
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& w* x* a3 k, n0 V
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 U+ j% i: P- h% X0 p
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 K$ h4 l. O; l+ |. [- icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# o2 i5 c' `7 A7 l我只不過微小的基督徒...................
+ [7 K- \2 J/ ~. g% |2 j真的!!這不是反話
( b8 D2 W# \( h9 |/ K4 U- t因為我是情感比理性強的人2 F" O: v. A& R! N
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; ~6 J: A5 `- s以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 c! \6 c7 ?; V  x1 O: \在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* S" M: f0 T7 R* s  f9 r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?1 {& K, p( _' [! \6 N7 A+ j9 X
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / j/ N" A( K2 _' V
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 |& ]7 Q; \3 z. K3 b4 `: ^
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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9 V# v8 q( X3 _$ W"不信也沒損失"
1 a5 U9 T, b/ k6 C  g, pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 X& U  M: n( W7 Z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......0 Y" D2 X' v+ b. v. O: ]( g. N
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / w& z- L* Z& k" Q5 z, @9 E+ {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 ~; D* h+ s: H6 N( D0 M" I" d
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, X4 Z" h+ Z8 J, [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' J' |- z8 w6 P" p" V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 ]8 d' Z. G5 E/ p9 @1 u
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' v* V' O- }4 T: T2 p" B, y/ L- P
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 l) E$ F' U* ~) c3 A1 M: h3 N
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 |5 i& D& R3 C7 X
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  s7 C/ b* ]8 O& d+ H" ~

3 `/ O6 V& l7 `7 z5 i0 j一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; c! N* W5 Y3 e6 Y! B7 k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# k( Y& m' I' K美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ Q9 F% s: X/ K9 q* m5 I( H

, ]/ z5 q+ q+ ^$ L$ r# a宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具/ S) h+ ^" i5 Q" b, H6 z) f4 n8 H
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
& p9 W/ Y0 }! ?, e1 M4 L" j信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; d0 c, G4 b3 o7 T7 @

! l8 e  U) k; [) I( e) A' _4 K. C以下是其他人的見解,
5 |: j8 |: {" r2 s4 W. @看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% s. \3 L% J" v

! }, P* z$ D. _信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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6 {( F, R7 W! U6 W3 k不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 B% C3 N4 I* R8 F2 \7 |: [! h

" s' k- r) g$ Y# J) i- ]( a我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 G& s/ M2 A! k% I9 a2 u3 J5 D$ v

! o- k4 H5 ~$ h" A同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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6 p- |- h4 K6 E9 K$ q2 nRegarding the resurrection....8 f' L3 L, X+ w& x: ]( V4 P
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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