Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) L3 y+ Z! t* ?+ R; C我係一個連自己都吳信的人
" t. `8 ~9 ?3 w又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 X4 P1 B% g$ Z+ A+ Q% F' r: {道理我知道好多只係做吳到
' Q: N2 r* s5 ?呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 q5 F1 `& n0 S

5 K, O/ v( `% O$ ~5 L! R5 k& l2 FNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# y, i5 j% V; O* C% H3 o
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' r% ?* U$ F+ ^
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- ?* s0 c) ?% ?我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 F7 c2 H' m  Z" l4 s0 l( Y3 o
真的!!這不是反話% N0 m, W% E$ w* y6 ?0 j+ W
因為我是情感比理性強的人; M1 O' k  q8 H8 y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: K7 o3 |$ R% B" a6 ~以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  _1 n2 |5 \- w1 ^; w( \
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ b$ G8 M1 ~# f+ N. D6 k+ C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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7 k2 p: B( u* k. P8 u( AJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- i! |* y7 @- a3 x( qI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 o* j  S; t/ [! e

) S) p+ @7 @! E, V3 `: f# W6 r& bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ c% E. g: \4 X- E1 i9 Z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) n( s9 D$ g/ t1 j/ E"不信也沒損失"1 [5 j9 O7 b; z+ ?. T
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) E& R8 t. E8 q+ J% T2 kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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/ [. b$ Q3 ?. Y# h5 lit's starting because we have sins......
/ |' x' |) e& @/ p3 csatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 U( [  m- s# A2 W
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ u+ e/ X( M  d! D8 U$ R
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# a9 [  m, ]8 i* b9 c2 M
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 a+ j) L: \! S: q* D" L1 e. a& u' A+ f
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 P5 n. Y' p' M0 ~" r/ r0 d
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  b4 o! S" {: f; U, M8 `而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 K+ W! p- e7 U' J

7 D8 w& |" q9 k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* }+ _8 F1 r/ [( G- q0 z8 ]6 P好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 n' ?# }2 r' d5 [7 T9 `: @' ]
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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/ O3 O1 ^1 z) l5 G7 g* N美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: a% }: m( V, r3 z% q$ @( ~
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具1 a" V5 S+ A( o+ z0 F: K( c9 P

5 g7 z1 e+ C. ]2 x% @: L# y4 _- X吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! T% O9 x3 p5 C( ]2 ~! l( ~* @& j
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' N# x, H2 O+ g0 }% a7 P8 S8 h

' P/ I; r/ R2 Y* m以下是其他人的見解,& ?. Y3 Y* B- @& L$ S3 n+ h9 }1 v# @
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 k- Y4 H) S( J: ~/ o' [
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) N  a8 u/ g. F3 r. C5 N$ g4 D

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 A, {9 I, ~# L
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' H0 i( ~  S1 X/ q! |
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.