Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 V  `5 h; x. D0 w! ~6 G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 k* M6 N0 ~" s+ l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 P7 Y6 h# `2 ~! G# w9 J/ {$ C道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; f" ?! y% ?0 F% I/ F3 [' f$ H

% x; h+ @  }, w7 nNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ o1 c& d' `9 C/ ^4 X
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ B8 [+ C1 j5 V( Y5 P0 k0 V

' \- H; @2 j) [0 Kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....! d& w4 W0 @2 z2 f
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話/ d2 b( X3 W7 C3 {" C
因為我是情感比理性強的人! L  S6 l  Y9 ^6 [6 e% }
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 i. g' X7 A1 R' b* y) D* W/ u# k% l
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 B' U/ I; _/ r0 m5 H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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% ^4 O3 I# G: U& X" Q: J+ UJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " \* d2 z* R7 a
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 B) c! g$ u( z( k1 FLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' m; |! E, c# x, ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
6 v! `* G' D2 S9 B- K/ g  P/ vYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% ]  y- J" J) i, L/ @6 k1 Y
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  X9 O$ b- Z9 u) U: K
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it's starting because we have sins......
& T( ~, x$ k, R2 zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 l2 Z3 P) P+ d# g
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 H, P" Z) l' S- s2 `( o- S/ d
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! E: g' w9 m2 Z- ?8 N- q. A+ s
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ Q7 M/ [' d; h' }" _6 \/ M
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: L! ^' E, d( m- C8 t
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
, M$ b" q! N* Z& i- W美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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: j2 N! X$ Y) m: g! `宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 R0 b+ _" }( g6 N0 k" T信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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, E! Y4 \. D7 u$ R( K6 Y) H以下是其他人的見解,
! @. X4 \9 E  P( C看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
% b# F4 I- Q7 Z) J% y1 o4 u# fhttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 V- {* F0 ~- L, s- W- \6 H1 K
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" \: O- G/ _8 [; ]- C& A5 m. x- H5 \( o

! p. G5 p: r+ j, I% u我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( k" `8 G% {0 \.............信耶穌... ...

  b+ t& ?* C* m/ g1 `Regarding the resurrection....
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! e" ?! Z" \9 q1 M% c; i! r( A, ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* H; R2 Y! `4 d# U5 O: H
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.