Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 W, O( q1 ^; V: E
我係一個連自己都吳信的人. Q4 F! w- [( M
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" n7 D+ H; {, c0 f道理我知道好多只係做吳到  e# k" H0 K2 M: N: U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 M; J- g$ J4 V

7 S) x/ f. o, |! N  I# l- {9 ]mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 ?( g, B7 a0 K  y0 j/ t0 z: s9 \

# k/ [6 E6 f$ w; v+ Sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 n1 N) M; z3 z% R+ l4 hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. L7 C& P+ h+ \我只不過微小的基督徒...................; y* a) p; l( k) k4 e1 J
真的!!這不是反話
# k  p, [+ p& F8 i  }0 Z因為我是情感比理性強的人
2 h0 ]' o# C" K. K2 M# H" w' F所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 s# \. |  `4 k  ~; V/ w! F9 Z9 V以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- H( E+ q0 t8 u% g& T. f
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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: f9 t" F* a  [: ?" e  DWhat a statement we have here?
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5 c5 u6 c2 i/ n! W' @Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; T" F6 E5 f: j& d& \I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# J7 o5 X' E; x4 e8 o6 c" j
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"& W& `, v& {* ?& E
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 L, J2 D, n: V/ C0 f/ z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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3 j- b# y  S5 Git's starting because we have sins......* \! |- V0 n  ~4 B* w) u6 T
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* W0 a) Z) x; U6 P3 g+ U3 |our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
# W* T7 W+ z% Q* f只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 N+ s) R( b! S. b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 T% J. H& a9 O3 I. v
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 a8 A/ i# ?( j: W5 j
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 R- [- H- P( `而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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3 x( v& v; E& E7 G; Q8 p6 o一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 C$ U* D( F' A6 Q) J改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 P7 q/ \. Q6 Q2 m( n. n美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# L* s! z" H! w8 j4 R
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; ]8 v* k2 ]8 i2 g9 O+ j信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# i0 U' Y9 @$ P1 b1 G/ B7 z  O
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  s, J0 f. S- \$ e" |% g  K

& \/ d8 ^7 t& d- r" e1 u3 U不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# Z: I& d6 L1 n9 z, B% f
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 m' o, ~+ C; X3 c/ K" H3 K! r6 O
.............信耶穌... ...

: U7 a9 l  u# K# q8 M5 X5 C4 |Regarding the resurrection....
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' w. |! @4 @( Q$ t/ pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  Q6 Y) r$ V# t. @# |$ T  {1 p- r$ K2 o
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.