Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! M3 Y2 x5 d- T# |
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  h, @/ K' Q, I5 V4 g
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ |" u* _* t" T4 l$ Y3 m
道理我知道好多只係做吳到( S7 c( Y& w' y+ T# Y6 S
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! p" w5 ]: ^! l* D- jNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ e: m* E0 j( q) v7 J, Q4 q; X. P- ]Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 |# o' M  Q" z8 v2 n4 ^7 _& {

- d/ t6 F3 G8 g, I! {$ ~mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- a2 f. x- v( X5 T5 o# v
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....) ~$ p6 D% r! {* v
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. C2 q* i6 C% `7 G% j我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 \+ R) C/ w2 ], C6 d真的!!這不是反話
. e5 i5 i5 X; b) J1 q因為我是情感比理性強的人
# U, Y. l/ e3 M2 u, K9 c1 r! d! w所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 J4 O+ p0 z7 q, Q7 K以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( ?' K" R3 E( P/ {在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; i% i! z; a, D. L) e, _1 g3 E
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 g7 e: X! F3 |+ v% m) n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 m8 Q3 ?& k, q2 @& T6 ~What a statement we have here?( r8 S" ^9 z9 O6 K

  t. A' ^2 V8 ?+ o) ^% [Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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/ j6 j/ |! a( B4 S9 I6 @I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  [: ^1 X1 ]4 Z1 \5 c0 H) i& O
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# X5 i8 ^; s5 y7 b( X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"+ C1 G; B; t. U6 H3 A7 M. l! q* j: T
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! k4 D7 ?* J7 ?% G  e9 J; t% D" v
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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! v: }, c  n' o  Z0 zit's starting because we have sins......
3 ?$ Y& x! _6 |6 h1 n( \, A  P$ ?. ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 ?0 {7 C5 _! ^, n  ?+ {our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
( n, u% \$ m* d: |7 O7 K( D只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" R( ^, w6 b* j9 [用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ f, C9 h7 p9 l8 [! l這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 `7 t% |* \2 \8 m
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  x6 A) D0 l% c7 }  O
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! ?- z. w, V% r- ]好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! |, J& z" i& L: p; o+ ?% I3 w
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' h& B8 k" _9 V; q; v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ c- S& }/ b; i5 |/ R
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' z& n# B* n! P* i: K! R5 z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 x4 s0 h) N- J$ B6 q6 w
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" q( u: C; n' Y" i

4 d, I* H0 Z% u- t: H1 k信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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  H- M9 j: A( L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  p0 {) M0 e9 O* e, A3 D7 F$ J" b7 l
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. x- q: k6 V; w: H  b3 C, L
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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6 j0 A% J! H! p6 o! A2 KYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.