Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ z+ G! {% d* A. s$ L% ~; ^! T0 s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人% r, d' ]8 I/ f, ~8 S% b# b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 |; O  y! M7 }道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 I  l5 n: ?  H6 |
呢D就係做人的悲哀

& b1 c- u5 L1 G/ o# H5 |: }- E0 }  t' d2 |( I+ r% Y
Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. `2 y' c7 `( y, ]( _; ?& f# {+ f
* m% b+ e, j% h6 L: \6 }, L
Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) C" ^( O% F8 a; s
5 R) b; u: ]) b. ^
mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# Q" w5 y" r1 [6 I+ q7 ]( n

; T6 S; j  c  c4 z# O! Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 {* M  Z3 _6 X+ k' f8 H
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* a, ^: d9 p+ e& i) L$ F" o4 n我只不過微小的基督徒...................& A1 |5 w2 a1 _7 D
真的!!這不是反話
& _1 I' `) f5 o/ ]因為我是情感比理性強的人
: ^8 u; N. d% n8 g; l所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," ], T2 E1 H; D5 i* i! A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' @( b2 {7 Y/ r# j$ q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 q. {6 [  p. y( y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 F4 ~0 s4 L3 a: k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

/ R# ?8 [8 f7 G  g) u- ]& e% u6 a) t6 b0 u- F  M
What a statement we have here?
" s9 \# }9 s  u/ _) g9 P$ E$ h6 t$ c
Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 o0 {: M$ R9 l0 Q/ M4 W# p( ?
/ {- x7 P/ ^- [& J4 Y( T
I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 X: C0 f9 S( ^4 I0 @# _

& N. |, X2 D- gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
# L2 G9 m9 G" ^  l, y% J
. O# `; M' I' q$ }:cool:
8 Y- [; S( z: _% q, p6 _& [% m
4 `9 m" [9 F* P: E, C[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 Z$ {9 j5 k5 N2 ~5 D3 t9 i4 C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

! Z6 o- y4 S1 `+ c; t! R8 G
7 a9 H0 N; Z9 ^& _4 Y"不信也沒損失"# {/ R" F7 o. u& E4 [* p, I7 U
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% x+ b( E" L3 }5 B: A6 O6 X* }) _
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 N; o, w5 a4 M$ P* ^! @% r

7 Z) N+ H0 B# T% h. W, Wit's starting because we have sins....../ Z: U. ~1 _/ q+ s6 ~7 d7 Z& ^2 A
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. Y) k( O' y: `9 X3 y# m& k" B( gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' }. y- c8 u! q9 P( p# x" S# e6 c
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- \% j4 J( `4 d2 [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 Y1 h8 Q) x6 d3 n6 P3 L4 P這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, M: N( y8 i. ?' T6 b如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 k7 z# e% F  S: ~而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
1 f; P/ [# Z$ M  \0 V4 G0 l) O1 y1 M3 S
導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, g* z. {! z% ~9 a$ v好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
  r( g  ~3 _  R
) d6 c0 V  g! h+ ?, ~$ s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 ~8 ?" u& Z" X6 Z4 ~' m6 i
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ z  X+ }& ^/ y  _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
* O* i* H$ h, q0 H" r/ x! k0 a! d1 A7 s2 M+ R" C
宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具6 x; ]' t! W; z, u" D
  C1 c  i- x3 K) r3 F- ~2 Y' Y4 m- a
吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ S0 O& Q/ m: \+ e9 B  N' m
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
% k1 Q/ p' H( ~* e" N& d, g2 ?/ Y- U$ W! d
以下是其他人的見解,
! k6 t: ~4 l' s- e% q看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
0 w" T$ K  f" Ohttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm1 `. c7 h. H& w2 b( [! P
# C4 i+ [: s1 f( ^; M8 n* @' d: |
[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
. l- g+ j. C( `( O& x: C1 h
5 Q% u) M+ ^* M- W0 t1 a% E信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; H( G) V+ C* L) z) B
+ b& B! Y) U' I. `
不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) o$ j  ^! d' D1 F5 L4 S! W

" D1 ]: {3 v7 p( m+ k% s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
$ b7 _! U' x$ X) C# T4 F8 ?# h0 G* J; l: u( m
同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. X) v- q  @% g* w+ \
.............信耶穌... ...

8 ]3 Z* O$ p. n7 }- J" P" K- `
Regarding the resurrection....
2 n* q0 E; S. ?! \' V3 l; a
: d3 m; k$ P8 h2 k6 Q- v! m/ DActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
- Z+ s1 [. \" c# f' N$ s; B! _* x# O) B, r1 F3 F! m1 j
You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.