Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! |: e+ {8 C1 ]' e, G我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 P4 r. c$ f+ \+ R5 {又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 [; S9 ?+ }2 w7 [# L9 L道理我知道好多只係做吳到
/ R: b# W. d' f" f- e  \/ V5 p2 H. ^呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: r6 C! w3 c! h" G) _Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ }- H7 R) L9 P6 j7 d" V9 ?, Y

5 D8 ]7 e: w- ]% \Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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$ Y/ q3 G, O- m- {) T. _' |" d- lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....( r- T; p; m# G3 F

% [' R( K) G8 v0 h& Estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....1 ~, _( l4 x9 k7 Q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; x: s) ]* P. R/ w9 l
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 ^, x. K' T7 H' F1 @
真的!!這不是反話
$ J6 [9 s$ p! d$ E7 A  T因為我是情感比理性強的人' P, Y* {3 Q( P8 z& T, G2 m
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# d  ?6 D" N6 I以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* [) b" r0 u; H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 X8 ^+ T" d) y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' X4 ~" M6 s, S1 |& V' m建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   f( B  T7 |3 k

3 m5 b- g3 b: ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ @* j9 I$ k) o. X/ B

, d; P$ n/ U$ ~: l) mLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo, d: P8 c1 K4 J" x% b8 O

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 H) |" \( e* P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: o% _1 F# C: |"不信也沒損失"
1 p5 q& Z7 _' H  sYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. j: G5 ~) l' B# Q3 P  d; kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# [- o0 K3 u- v6 r

' V  ~7 @) U: H9 t- M( g! c: yit's starting because we have sins......
/ D( Y+ f+ x& Y0 Q+ N% asatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
) y8 g0 h! I( M$ Rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: {! D5 v" p; f1 {只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' k2 `7 w! X5 [) u. m  K/ ]" j4 [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ H6 \: V' }0 r
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( n1 K" d( N( k( m, y* H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: z* |( g/ u3 H2 J7 w9 E- i
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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1 V: J# Q6 e) h" ?+ `; R導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& v) B4 E8 N+ n! ?9 B' c' r
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  @# a* F) I7 m3 n5 X

7 B& k9 B$ a! e; f" k* K8 [一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) b( Q9 x! a3 ~9 w  D2 b3 o改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' O7 d7 l, ^- w0 r" ]
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...% z  z4 ~& B5 i, ~5 [8 X
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* c8 u3 h: c3 C$ ~3 r信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 e9 j6 F3 h" t. R
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以下是其他人的見解,  c  E" t" [% a5 j0 b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 S7 s( C# ^. }
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ r. g' s  m  j0 g9 w5 i# d
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 O! ?# E  G) w5 ]% z
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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2 p, ^4 s; K* E2 d我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  @8 J: I8 S1 k5 K1 s/ _  w- C
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) a; J  ?( N/ C$ ?( r.............信耶穌... ...

+ p' J6 e! {1 S! N, q8 h& W# A6 W$ URegarding the resurrection....4 a8 [2 S. W8 P- T% j. @

0 ]5 S' f% o, p" j) lActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& k4 ^( ?1 |5 _3 k, g8 ]* E( R
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.