Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* x' M! X7 E) s7 }" i- f1 y: E
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ j$ U4 o" A+ L5 Z% q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
4 y  W6 b$ ~6 a/ l道理我知道好多只係做吳到. x5 j4 `, m9 B- ]: U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ h8 [- I" q4 n3 m& O" d' n3 SNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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* B8 m7 I' x3 e4 Fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 ^8 l6 J6 T; ]6 }0 k% T. O* Dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 E) [9 _7 H/ b! G
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 R8 u) \( T& k
真的!!這不是反話  r  K, i3 x! C) R* I
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 T( {( U" r# i$ K0 e4 {3 N
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 \5 a2 ]$ K+ h. C- ~
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 o7 d4 ]+ v3 O) H9 h6 R, U
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( n/ D2 k0 `% M0 D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& l9 O/ z# V; u4 \  i6 o( |) g7 ?( q/ BWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 l* i! B# Q* u. N  {7 b  s0 [

7 v" [. r$ T' f" c$ sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ U/ c/ L( d! i5 R8 X# b. s) C8 {
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 W* A2 V0 X, k: M2 }4 M  t
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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' L; O; h, W* U+ Y) L( N/ U"不信也沒損失", \) J9 p, u2 ]6 K) F9 [6 U
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 \+ i9 w* j  T% t8 l2 x
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# U: n' H! T8 Z
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it's starting because we have sins......
  q3 ]7 A" j; ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( R! W1 L! b& H( g  N4 t. q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 W2 W2 m" p/ g  K! V! Z) F
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) x; M! v* P4 {/ K/ a0 k這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 L( s& L0 T; O& Y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% h) s# Q5 B1 H1 X6 U6 N% w" [* L5 Z8 f4 ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; ?  e, \6 W# \. j8 c

  Z) }4 z8 a' g; I6 {( V. W導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& s" ?7 x. B- {' C  L3 Z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 G' W! b* B7 x& S$ `9 r$ |. v

6 E9 e7 f8 Y0 \吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) C: d0 F' c: e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,' w2 n% @6 M2 P$ y0 ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤% s1 ^9 g4 k& K5 J6 L
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' a7 e: x& w  n. S

6 J2 T7 Z4 [7 q) E0 y; \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 Z* r' O  h$ v6 }6 m. F' H& m不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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- W! }9 i: |$ r0 ~) V# O# ?  B& u6 A我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 t0 D. a1 Z. @$ t. I! J! v.............信耶穌... ...

- A& I% B( Q& o. J  E( RRegarding the resurrection....1 d+ c0 U3 Z5 f4 O6 o# V% G. V  I/ X
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.