Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. a, s3 t! |% T  ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到# }1 \, V# f  U' G0 s0 Y$ U; |
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) l2 @; u7 l) x& F% \3 GNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' u* q1 |. P( ^# \' ~% l
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  F* W- u* o/ f: O6 g: Y
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& H% L$ q9 R/ K8 h+ b8 p  Y' `

$ z- z" \  Z/ e2 Y; U# X4 @4 @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; H! ~' E3 M& y) I
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 T5 m4 R6 C$ T5 W2 O4 M" q$ p
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
5 @. C) u9 N1 G2 B; u所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 }* j/ B/ x( a7 r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 q( D/ `! U2 H( V% f$ \7 S, F3 S* H) K
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 U2 b0 m7 u7 f
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  z0 P9 i5 X4 E' ]5 _3 B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?6 m9 R' W4 U& r( J/ v2 l" B: P# x
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 Q% y, c! H& [- w0 G3 _" ?& y

. g3 r. \3 H( X, o' A7 FI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 u1 q0 l$ g' h6 k5 \0 D: S" r9 Z, e

7 E3 ]1 K# b) QLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* Z; ~! s& j7 |

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* l, |$ l/ ^7 U. x9 l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
& m2 R& H5 T  t! SYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 c% O5 R+ K* ~, A# n1 l6 L$ |
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......& x- H4 I+ Y; K! q% h, d* t
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  f: {" D, F- d5 Iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' s  z  w0 b. \; W這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: e5 I: c. s; R, w& M; T8 o& L2 E
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  B- A0 O3 `" s# T8 q2 L6 y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 s& z4 b) z& ?1 U: ?0 X5 d
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# Y) J; z3 ~6 N0 v
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...; [' h' ^/ a+ N4 l- H% [% T0 ]
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具2 d; ~* E8 t7 x: C

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) `7 p5 s3 J' |* i, Y
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 r; A. e4 G( s

, T; C0 p* C/ i9 [/ B( m信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% U: P" c% m$ q" L) f/ V

' w; n. K/ W5 Y8 S9 j; [同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 k6 ^' Z0 f; S& Q; a" ^8 V
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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3 u" t: G6 H! G( F: sActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.