Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 P' G% k/ h* h9 m% q我係一個連自己都吳信的人
+ U$ I9 x% h- Y# Y! l又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. c& |5 d% g  p6 X5 N5 M7 p道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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0 A! y0 }0 [; q  k" fNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% o- g* J5 N" m4 |
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: ~3 W9 {& B4 C' h
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 x1 d/ \: F! X  I+ y5 V  fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 [$ X) D) l. o& A$ J# m4 j1 ^
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 H  p) j$ z# d' k2 A' k) p1 _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ X) |  \! w: o" r& I$ v
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% t0 J5 b$ w, T5 ~9 r9 T
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
! \. [: l6 ^% p+ a  B* ?建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; k& a6 N6 K- m; e9 o9 ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ q( _5 u" B1 G6 O"不信也沒損失"
) b! p% X' X, l1 ]$ NYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! m2 |6 T! A7 J( Z/ g! I; Y
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% P. ]% y) @" D( Z/ \/ n/ B

7 O$ V* l$ K: z8 n- _it's starting because we have sins......! l) L8 \0 S, T
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( }" j3 t: g3 H& Kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 g9 q8 X' H7 ^. G3 s只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 i) c& E3 D( r$ I; @( E: E1 o! k用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 c% \* d+ m9 K( D0 f+ E1 S3 v2 r1 Y
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 h9 ]. u4 M1 \如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& D7 N  @3 h) H' R
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, u( j; }+ d; k5 x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 B6 J( T( @1 M4 Z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; t" O, f# _6 B4 j: D+ c& Y, {0 G
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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  a; t: ?5 q2 }) |4 V3 u美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  o7 T  N3 e: }5 ^0 y4 h8 I; B2 V
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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6 k% P/ s. J8 |: c: W8 M( U7 H信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) }1 |- c6 a1 c2 H
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 D7 K9 o0 E- v# D  }2 W
.............信耶穌... ...

- J/ E  s3 V# D- v  b$ wRegarding the resurrection...., M  y2 U. G$ C5 [- Y5 u
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! F) P- M( u& C7 M) R
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.