Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  h$ y. E- z4 K6 G, [# y& R9 K我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 n. H! L7 O8 t: i. b* T
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; W# c4 h! \0 w+ B" [* ?: t9 z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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! P0 @% P9 z4 bNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 C( j# @. y  c

8 i& c, c, h8 W8 Vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: C; A. W  u) Z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, C3 ?: @0 A/ \/ Y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( p0 n3 K5 `+ P& P0 V  ]4 g" a) N
真的!!這不是反話, [/ c2 V, B- c8 [1 Y& m
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 J2 e: ^/ {" R以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* j, g& H( x: w; p8 X3 {在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 M7 k" c* c5 L5 g建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  L, Q8 U: ?' }5 `+ uWhat a statement we have here?9 b2 d! `# O' \0 j1 G6 |- c( }  L" W
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ L+ p( B/ b! W$ p$ \7 O9 Z% f* @

# w6 @+ `7 V8 _( m9 I6 |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.8 h- t3 C/ Q' w
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 y" d6 R! A# _7 s& x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ o! d: V7 t5 L. s6 T* g"不信也沒損失"
& s6 t: `1 w, QYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ O( {9 I0 r6 C8 X) i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# E" c2 n" e: @5 x如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 E6 v7 [7 G, F2 o: N( L而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: y1 B6 }' j# [2 w- Q) b導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' W+ D: {& ?9 f% c$ @( ^; e2 B2 l
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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) ^) q, G1 l/ S3 s" g一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 k7 l' v1 ?. c& U改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. H5 u; v) _, E  ^: T* E
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 @2 h: E! B6 t  L; A& ]6 F
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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  I" h% l0 b2 r以下是其他人的見解,2 D( \+ B: l5 R- G+ a* e
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ `" U5 d9 B+ j( s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ r5 B* o; }. h1 M; W
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..... e0 L, h+ q- f4 |
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.