Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& p4 O, d& J( o. Y3 z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
8 u' V# U) N: A4 I0 Y% T又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. K4 \+ u' C0 \9 b9 H) x道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 n4 j( o# z1 p2 e% ~% w
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ v: w- J1 S$ D, k4 nNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- p$ j& u* c+ v- y3 O
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* ], q6 D5 R, q7 S" {% k
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....  v% o! i( G% @8 @8 l9 t8 O
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; r3 [- N) ]9 M! |3 t  z$ z8 F
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 r: |( s7 b; J2 R2 D, m8 U; {
真的!!這不是反話6 S( M2 B# P; H  {# h+ p6 U
因為我是情感比理性強的人$ b2 A- n+ \* N5 _, Y) f
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 v- _8 ]& W5 R6 I- Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 b: J$ D7 X4 s在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( J0 e8 Y8 d- p, {5 k/ }# Z' g. L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% h$ q0 v  t% J9 }& J6 gWhat a statement we have here?
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; v+ N8 M- K1 \& m/ fJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 q5 c8 U3 n$ L' x; t& z" D1 B1 @
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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# F- U2 G4 L+ U# r[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 b2 z6 R! K9 ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 ~( o9 V& }) Q/ J9 Q: F"不信也沒損失"
$ i' [% R; i8 \! e5 @; ]: N7 LYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) T. ^; x- |3 F" H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" }  J6 X* x! f4 S# o8 Y! B' Lit's starting because we have sins......% n" q' R+ V( W- W# Q# R1 |! V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 [# f/ c8 }: x' X+ \our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' D9 a, F5 {' |4 f! c這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' N# c" f8 Z3 {6 Q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- j4 \7 b: C! N) N& }0 V而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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. U9 g" b( y2 @5 D6 Y0 G- a導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ v; z3 Z2 ~! [1 h' G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ e: S; Y% m; n3 y8 G6 @7 z

0 _; P2 g% X, T2 }9 p一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 |9 V% K) X1 y! Z; L' a% m/ v改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, ?% w% @8 P: M- o. B
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ x( ~: o( b, o$ h, w/ {, K9 D

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& S) s) O8 Q2 B' M吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 T( l* R0 Z3 m信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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* q9 w! n' {2 X5 i+ O/ x* f以下是其他人的見解,# M4 Y, J3 g$ \. m2 A9 G4 f% E
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 |/ S, S0 q4 H! }
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. J  d$ f( L- I7 C8 w1 F# A
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# |! B# Y" z9 ~
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 x: _1 r( W7 u2 J! v1 J9 d5 v
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 q' R7 ]* h7 w/ m7 Y

# ~2 J: ?. I6 a同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, G! Q: a3 l. }2 r* H; h' h1 H
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 @# d* \- w6 v& ~4 v( _9 ^* P  L
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.