Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" T! A1 R) ~' h9 r: i
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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1 C/ p2 F  v, G7 e" G/ k2 ?* f道理我知道好多只係做吳到% X$ X$ E/ ~0 X, B3 ^1 \" l$ `
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 q: i; {, n% c0 r" K

; R& D' E, e3 T; d- a. J* M+ i% F4 fNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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+ _1 S" u# P/ i: pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話% D& {2 r& u7 f7 r* K& d8 ?
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ i! {, M5 }! j; t0 U" I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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' C; R# C7 s' {: QWhat a statement we have here?2 C( @4 Z* R2 W$ H7 G0 w3 j6 ?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " D- z5 V4 D( _+ C( U
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& p  W% \6 @  k% @* Y& K9 @
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 ?1 `' O" @, W5 ?' Z7 [

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 ^- L. X# S5 g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
" W: G  q- E. d$ IYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ D6 |$ a9 Q" u( n4 K/ `+ `
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& H' |6 \' @0 J' o& F( p" ^$ G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ D. z$ j$ Q. l# q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 I# ^8 }: ~4 n這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' h  T# M" |! Q  m  X! Z0 K6 [如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) T! s3 {0 j1 X& ]而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 [& R: U7 N* b- @

! X$ K# l3 ]# v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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' _. a9 F' G3 I- M# g: ~一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 y, v1 N/ V& ~3 g7 g改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! M8 v5 n; g& \2 e2 ~
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 ]/ I, Y: ~2 O" }* P3 B/ x

. S$ [& H+ g6 ]6 X" j. w5 K; u; q; v以下是其他人的見解,
; h6 p& j. i: X3 T& |5 j+ z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- a/ p+ F' K, d( A
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: ~9 M/ G, h& w6 g. u

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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$ I4 n( `" K6 u$ h; }! p同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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2 ~# d' g+ h) ~" MRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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9 r8 Q/ k" k7 x% {) v- nYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.