Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. P+ z7 i: n: \- y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 j' T2 y4 M4 H又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- n2 h5 q0 g8 E* j$ Z  z2 z道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 p" j6 v! l* l( Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" f& }% }. q3 G6 m6 F- dNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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9 d9 L. S* r. {% H" x: u2 _mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ n/ ?3 U7 {8 {: Gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& S1 r2 S! t& e% E& y0 q# ]9 C. L
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
+ V+ a4 k( T1 J真的!!這不是反話
! W7 i3 K3 V( G) T: m  c3 N3 [因為我是情感比理性強的人( h/ k0 @! f6 `- |5 g3 {, d0 S
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 Z# s/ f% S, c/ \) ]以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ \: H& D+ V! b9 a在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) w. b1 v7 S4 |& \% c
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' ]2 b  w5 N- {5 v* n( `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 |3 r; W; N0 [+ H  oWhat a statement we have here?
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7 I/ ?7 J( B( t! HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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9 u: V2 O5 z* e0 @. ]' o) ?Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 k2 M/ d$ }, v' \; X6 t$ R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( a5 P, m" `% k# d! C- Q"不信也沒損失"
4 f, A6 }# @7 j3 v( `) r, ~! JYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, o6 L7 s0 t5 I/ S* M+ \- cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  P/ T( B* y# Z7 ^: I# |
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 ]4 X3 @9 t0 }只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- r2 W0 @$ `0 L' Z6 N* _# u$ ~6 e用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* _4 Y3 ]% I& A& }) }
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( x  `3 M0 c/ @- H5 P: S+ }4 `9 q. w如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; r6 t( G. D7 j/ g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! K- _. A5 ]( ?$ ]% p

* B; H% Q7 u: l% s5 C+ y1 [2 f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,% W- W- t: H( o
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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) G. H: h) O3 v( R# X一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
( ~' f& B" k  f0 I" v8 O改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 g$ c" J8 z$ d' u美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 z. V# C' `  Q, D9 U9 ~

3 y0 }$ o1 P) I宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具, n4 u# v+ V) J3 T  T8 F, z
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ q' e2 O3 W! m( ?7 @4 V" E信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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1 G& l/ n, k9 E/ Y! J8 P+ h以下是其他人的見解,7 j! }% H3 u% D* c9 A9 m4 ]7 M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 ?8 h; p+ {5 n. g
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ C" r  b% Q; ?3 H

1 S5 p* p: G+ t7 w2 X$ I信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! p; a  Y% i* `1 u* n" l
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& o, F& R8 [/ y0 v0 U
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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, }8 V+ A- }1 R( d/ I" ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* F. a  w2 l8 c! s3 ^8 J. gYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.