Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ r, h$ c  @2 h  H' g. B) h/ d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人% b' y$ c& S! [- {
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- \5 S( P0 ?4 O) s8 N1 Z  O
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
4 c- z0 X9 C1 ?1 b呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" s4 }" F9 q8 D" Q% ]2 M* cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. s! b9 O8 ?; E) ~
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: }% C3 |% ]5 ^, |# D1 B
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 N3 H& c1 b1 k; |6 O8 f# `
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& W+ c2 T+ l1 Y0 M
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 ~* ]4 o# y7 ]/ a5 E我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人5 [9 ?& y, n( d8 j9 \1 H# W" B
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 D/ C+ t/ L* w; ]; T以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- p- g0 C/ g& B; N
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  K9 C% {% `) G, B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?; ^: M6 H: z' z: z" `
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % D4 \5 c2 I- f4 K; }2 M

+ t: U3 g+ C7 Z7 i' yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: y+ S$ ]2 T+ y' R4 V8 H
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
! E4 k; }0 Q, F" {建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ C/ Q) F9 [, \7 x8 Q* B"不信也沒損失"% ?5 y* H2 X8 |: J
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- p0 y7 }/ [& C4 dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." h. Z. `7 l- M7 b% \' F7 X! n
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it's starting because we have sins......
% w; H$ o, n# ]( U6 j" Ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 C, A; j: P; u8 W# w7 Z4 h
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
) m# H/ U' K3 I2 h6 E; e只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# r& H. r/ j2 Y5 I& \; p* E3 Q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 `' ?0 y$ q, p# r% X這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 X, m0 b& r# W- R3 \5 K0 ^; I
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 J3 ^0 m$ \5 y2 o
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- E# _. S7 h0 @

6 F1 Z) K* M) }2 E8 H導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. {: P9 m4 ^* M4 ?# C! R" O
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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  F$ L5 n1 m, A+ P% r+ T一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 q* q% F/ D# N* j" \9 I4 M5 v改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 p+ Z3 h7 [8 I. f美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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5 k, o; W$ s& J* U( `$ c' f4 i9 H, F宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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( O& F: \! `' M3 E% M. y5 }吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 V$ Q& c# C9 F3 J信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,/ p9 z: u* i3 _( L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' X, W' M$ V9 ]9 ?
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- d: m1 }; ]; B  u4 _
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# W8 W# X/ Y  ^. R
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! I6 @; V* ~4 I+ X

1 \; Q' Q3 f1 A1 VYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.