Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ Z6 s: y  x, O/ k2 W道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ j' g4 I0 b/ l  @: p呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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8 A$ r" n4 B- T) d$ ]- i( e( BNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 w% p9 j9 n% R7 W& y
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 Y# U3 q3 v; e, \, u
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 ]1 ]* s9 ?$ V( _# x, v" s真的!!這不是反話
3 J4 n5 c0 G5 G" C( K, b因為我是情感比理性強的人
0 M; a# c4 F3 J8 H( s$ {所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  h* l& n9 T4 A" h以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* x  _$ X4 b  G# d& t
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, ?# X  O, S. Z- t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?/ a/ ?- W$ }, Z8 W1 V
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # A. P! ?' ?- \: m

4 d+ F. I2 Z9 _4 L  vI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% ~; q* t9 G* e1 ^# q/ P
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 n" ^) Z, f* K+ U8 |( K2 d+ m: N

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 ?" G1 o* C+ c' |1 O. k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# Y& c8 [1 K  E3 E! ^Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' L- D3 a$ W" W
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ B8 ~5 K/ O$ \; g* F1 z

9 V9 l: i; d# @- {it's starting because we have sins......
0 P& V: ~% Q' F# Csatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# s, H  L& S1 k/ E) c4 D) mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 Z& {; B. \/ Z' s# y$ a
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 _) q& n3 X0 _. }
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 o( p  c! p( ?6 f: ]7 C6 P
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ E1 z+ u- x2 v- W7 _' N
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 `; q, p1 @: R0 ^" o
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, a. S! X1 b" Q. `

. B/ |  j/ M  k+ o8 V+ b( Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- ~: k- q9 V( c% v# x
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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. o) @# D: Y: K6 U一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 M. h9 i% N( N: I1 y$ y/ M, M( `
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 T( w- v9 |. P! [美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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8 [5 X( N/ m& D# G宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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5 y1 z. c2 E% @* ~吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 R: n1 V$ t" O8 P
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,+ Y; {$ F6 R) \/ {4 S* H  h; v
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& @4 m, D# V1 e: j" e6 b
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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1 A9 B+ W1 Z8 L7 F( _8 X4 d0 r7 s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ H7 p+ m5 W1 O  q  [5 U, K1 I! C

: M! E& j6 X) v8 M同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 t+ H$ R% T( G% a6 h0 s( q.............信耶穌... ...

% z/ s: L' V* Y& w0 lRegarding the resurrection....; v, O, ?$ t! A6 u

3 {9 [: f4 A$ C) uActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.