Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. L2 t+ C. Z$ ]) _# j& G$ m3 O我係一個連自己都吳信的人& ?, \% n3 t" R6 x9 y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! t+ C* d5 ~, J5 a道理我知道好多只係做吳到! h0 B. P6 G& [; P
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* s9 a, E( g9 b0 E, YNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- r& @# K/ J1 G% n' Z

9 m& t! p. F7 p; r3 DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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$ s5 ?( I# x/ ?7 w8 e9 }" ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 C9 A. V% o) O7 a* `cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 \4 B& }: c5 g% G
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  l" i) z' F: E& d: `真的!!這不是反話& d# I, p9 U- y; c% n- \: y
因為我是情感比理性強的人# o) i- N9 d$ E( K  O: S
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& f0 T) H1 U2 |
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 G% c4 B4 o( ~4 c
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 ?8 d7 `: g) V) [0 ^$ d  A- [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- s; m1 J  o8 z, FWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( r% M( @# Y7 I* [

. L- H7 f! ?$ y, \, k) U& yI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) V7 V/ I5 L" D( E

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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5 o0 h# s# D9 L0 A1 b5 W9 i"不信也沒損失"6 R7 U0 z2 i& R) m% ~* a
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; c2 o: s% w% N1 G5 S9 q: J3 B
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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0 v8 J! ]& Z* I, [7 X5 ^, Hit's starting because we have sins......% X! m5 G% o3 k
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 C0 M; p" z# gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( Q  U/ N- n6 p" t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
, e3 G2 }0 |! b' j* G用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  `' J8 z5 Z/ `. q
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 a( ?9 g0 G$ C* e" y3 o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 }4 ~- m) ~; o8 {
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ p  P5 [/ u! u  ]- F- I

5 S4 C4 S% |  B& o1 [1 J" ?% ]導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 P3 ~  u4 {- R
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# U" W2 V2 u& u; O' U! y. j" I$ u. N
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# h3 B, J. R2 K& B2 Z9 ]改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 q8 M2 H9 b# H9 J0 i1 }
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 U; N" e: R) h( v7 p信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm4 E; {/ \0 g( W

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: r+ G' |) q- ^/ `$ a& t$ L

/ M3 [# O+ X; E* @! p" `信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 n3 s2 F0 N, f

" k4 V* ~/ b0 u! M9 Y  \" d) c不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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, F; E$ i" H. z" f4 i* n" T同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: D* |; }' M% y/ x, L
.............信耶穌... ...

6 z  F) a8 z5 [8 NRegarding the resurrection....1 B+ W4 g8 m7 q/ V; [( L  {8 Y

+ S( Q$ }1 m$ h9 d& WActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.