Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ y. A5 ~' g8 F* W
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 v  s8 e& _+ U0 C9 j$ |

5 L! b" j- q8 ]7 ^  n% dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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7 i. {+ N) h7 e" nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 [* a3 _5 k  R: ], P" y
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 q, z8 c6 N0 }5 u+ E! P; U
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." s9 m8 a( l# ?" b: V
真的!!這不是反話5 f0 h" W" A& m5 ~$ R% P' D2 ~
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: |( R$ T2 T2 T
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! v8 j: h, B9 |+ _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& E- y" k( x) w" B3 L/ t$ b/ B$ LWhat a statement we have here?4 V/ w! U! _) W6 i

- u( a, x* x% n" S) s+ cJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) n8 _  H: k) n- u; h
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) Q; P, x4 z4 T  _/ {# v+ S
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) j" \% y2 d3 z4 b4 n$ U9 S, }  x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"1 ~/ n% \/ E! V4 W5 d/ X' o
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: v8 l( M) r, X- J3 h9 M' c; b
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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8 D# ^2 z) x+ S4 vit's starting because we have sins......: L' C6 |3 h! i  q0 H, U
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% \% V/ Q. e$ g* ^3 O7 V
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 J0 X4 U0 E0 d/ _如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 x# L* L. [' [, Z' U* F3 W- h而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- ?5 @. F# ?# }: N8 c( ^
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," e7 X. t% d- [& O/ k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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2 B! l+ c4 _2 i/ r, m( J0 T以下是其他人的見解," P# a$ F: [2 W+ @& ~/ o( r6 N& k  x* p( W
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤% f( [- E) C. o8 D5 W
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' o, }) H( f3 l- d1 a

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:2 Q. j3 `  L% M8 X" {, M
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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  X; w6 r! @* F4 F' G0 `3 q* [6 ^Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.