Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, b; N/ h9 H* K% U- P! J' o7 r
我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 x" Q$ c! j: W& M* g$ J  X1 H9 z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 @! o& ~' v# E( q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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4 y2 K) u# m7 g# qNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 A; T6 Z1 C; N6 `

3 {& g- o- j3 S! w. [2 gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) ?; t7 F4 i9 j# H2 ~' k2 h
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話5 J( {+ F; N7 e: |! g9 ]
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; i. e/ Y5 E8 n% W8 K) w$ m+ g3 j  p以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ _5 u" D2 w8 _/ ?2 E# \在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?: J/ j6 r5 p! z/ ]8 _+ H3 t
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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0 d- d( h- P6 T/ |) s( fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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9 ^. S) z, ?$ c( gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! _& O* ]0 }' ?6 l! s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"; {; l# r5 v8 J( ]" E
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 k, w+ B' ~, E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ e/ _6 l5 F0 l: k3 Y9 A

# ~3 [" r: o- P3 V$ V- J- `it's starting because we have sins......* i9 [$ j# B$ s  t7 B5 L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' }! y* H: m# {0 `1 n5 U, c$ G
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  M' g2 e  Z9 Z1 J
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 J6 Q3 N* b% w2 }$ Q- ~; z+ _, j用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: u+ V/ I2 u% V. E( J  B" _8 A
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 H  \# v+ t7 V' |# f) e/ f
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ {+ o; D$ \" p. H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 `2 d. i8 L; m/ |, j- M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* I" F! m- s2 ]% O2 c
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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9 u& B8 P  P! X4 U) Y5 W美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# p# Z+ e1 D6 Z  ^
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 v. [. J1 U& G7 y6 y: R& W2 p; T信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 [6 [2 e0 F: a不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# e1 A* {$ }- |$ m+ D& o' H
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" X4 a& o( Z0 o# U  ].............信耶穌... ...

, H6 }! ?. X) \* ARegarding the resurrection....
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. ~: Y) P/ R! x/ k9 E- v- rActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.