Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; B; X4 `' U. N: q' a
我係一個連自己都吳信的人) @) u! a" `3 e" z' _9 X' b  ?, O0 e' x
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 `# X0 ?6 E0 ^) ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 d# G% x$ v2 M) [# ?& v7 y/ q- J
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 K4 L* p" I+ @

7 L1 }7 m4 E  S( |& y1 WNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 s( j3 Q/ q/ {; ]/ x% z9 V$ s. D

! P8 T: E/ k. f& `5 cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: K  f: ^9 u+ F/ S- T" H! ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' m, i5 _% r2 H1 v
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
2 F4 X1 M% V8 x所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 d' {* [* \. e1 w4 B' Y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  j0 I7 f5 Y! O* Q& n0 w
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 Q6 B( I- g1 d( ~4 G
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' k% d+ w' j/ e+ W$ L+ A" E建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?" R$ d3 x; {) D" E- l! E

4 l4 \% E% t- I  V# C! QJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! I) c' E* w' J  W0 X2 k& hI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( ~/ h6 B- n* f3 X2 U6 T( G  {
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 f: D: W! P" @3 N( g# {
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 _8 b* T* x, Q* |  B# ^建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 r5 w/ }( R/ j0 |"不信也沒損失"
3 L7 i+ [- @4 a0 J) H; EYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., X- u, Y# n- @) F/ S/ I! i8 @' p
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# y  m* P. O$ {( }- A) z. {; k$ R1 F
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 f5 C  \) P' F6 f2 v6 h只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 Y/ N0 B1 X* g- y) M6 h+ m用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 p: \4 Z: P- o8 ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- O8 U7 f9 `7 x
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 c: z& L) A) T. ~* @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- t( n% Z8 `. C  ]

; L' C) S( f% ^9 b4 F0 w- ^導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 |( q. I: M$ U% ^
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; t5 f( o, p6 p$ Q( ^
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...% e# H% \9 ^# W% q

8 h! ^: U) s6 G- Y# @宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具2 _! Z, L8 m) P& L; g) y& C6 E
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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5 h4 v( z8 U9 m) c- ~; ^" p3 A以下是其他人的見解,1 [) A% [8 t% ~+ f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 ]; M& R. O5 `" h  o6 e
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. s$ K+ B8 E) |) S9 B$ S5 V

, g0 Q7 k+ Y' W+ _4 E1 n不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- b9 ?/ Q; ^6 X) }# H% L+ m

8 b& F, d& P4 C) U* A我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 \3 D( g0 P, g* i( e7 u+ W' `: Y2 t.............信耶穌... ...

! {/ X* q% l9 c) u6 A% X) i& fRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., z" N- I$ o9 Y; s' y
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.