Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 Q, T) I4 z' j3 \9 b
我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 ]0 K1 n7 s$ s) w* ]  c# @
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& H% Q* f' C; L6 R% L- K: U
道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 e! Y" s, i0 X
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) a, ?6 C, Z; O3 y

# _& y4 v+ g4 _9 E$ E* zNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: r# O+ ?' n" i4 R: A' E* {

5 t  q9 }, w" ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* ~6 o3 o" _) @
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% r# h$ W/ H% ~" t/ Q4 N我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ X/ o: j2 H3 q. L# h; {$ y
真的!!這不是反話# y( ]  B% x) n' {$ O% Q; [+ g+ Z+ q0 h
因為我是情感比理性強的人6 `7 q3 O3 i4 h! J$ A! w( N
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 Y0 @% N, W& ]# X4 G以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 {/ S# f) x- G在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
: K( m# w2 Y+ n/ W" f: }, W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?+ n8 m& |% ?* B1 f
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" a- N; k- Y/ T. E' N. z4 M4 C( ^: u% F
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"" J% Y. N- W+ k7 a9 ^+ m4 n+ n
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 t& Y2 e; r+ r8 ?+ q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 Q) u. D5 X9 ~; E
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 e, a/ \9 H. I. q4 T+ D3 z% }
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! l) ]2 |$ [5 a7 ]: a$ @' f用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, u. G1 U0 b7 {; {6 y1 e這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* f# Z- e% ?4 g& S7 e' G, u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* I# k9 t" K& Z9 k5 M. {
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ v: t5 f9 q9 U3 }/ t  Q

' Z8 z' |8 i9 X( C+ L$ R* f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  v2 u% X3 ]7 u* [. N$ [
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  i; j0 h+ @$ T5 ~一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 i3 W* w0 l1 I' F3 `

0 `5 X- n5 s& ^  H- h: K宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! Q+ E% A& U/ c* c+ T信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 i. n  K3 u, F. Y* h
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以下是其他人的見解,% L0 j8 r$ L5 e' V: ]) R8 [% {
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 J- h7 [  A0 C* e5 `3 l4 S' r; \
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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* u, D0 x8 }. ], y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, `1 O0 l" o# E! `. F6 `
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 _  V! C+ S$ K+ J& ^, p
.............信耶穌... ...

" A( V% \& p6 y" Y8 X" f! u7 URegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  u! y# t; v  k* d4 z  o) RYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.