Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 Q; [! J  p3 Y我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到- q' V$ T3 |6 D/ W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( w+ K1 v8 G7 PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  d) D" J) W: p: W! e% `1 u( w

* e: X5 s1 o' E) _  v" h) f( Amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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0 J4 ?- ^$ S+ H0 L- t$ h3 [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. f$ c9 a2 B' h: A, }' z. b9 @* Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, _9 K! p# y$ |- e! k7 A& s" |- I我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 d$ Y; L& I. H* A2 n8 _
真的!!這不是反話
9 L# j( p$ P8 o" G1 s因為我是情感比理性強的人
2 Y" N0 V2 G4 u所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; c  d/ A8 U* l以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( _1 p" ^( o' |* {/ @在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
! d6 {$ Y6 d0 w2 u& {- u& n建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 _6 K! ^3 Q; W4 ^What a statement we have here?1 [( m2 y4 a+ r  W
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 _0 m) @) U- [# t

0 i" }2 u+ r9 F* b  RLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* ?+ ?( c+ _/ m6 z6 D1 g& G+ n

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 F; y2 h- R7 o; P. H: l5 y( A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"$ h. w7 j+ ~2 \( e
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 `' M) q, t+ Q1 A' H: S' e# ~but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ D& K# s' I, `- ?1 B! y3 c/ c

4 n( |/ P! e# |4 `7 uit's starting because we have sins......- f% S6 V1 ?) t" f; E; q0 L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * \! e7 c" x3 o- [( T) C6 F; e
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# _/ [. ^+ v- X$ C  `9 S  I! t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 C# a1 D! h( `* s, y% S; A用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- Q7 C, }, d2 g6 @* a) e
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 S  r! I$ S$ m+ y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& |. w' B! A: C5 t# C" B- r
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( T# _( Q: ]5 ^  |! D7 S% n
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 M/ G. v; V6 t- J' X5 J& q

9 ~: b! ^, E, K) r' Q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 X, v9 g' ~) j) X5 E1 N! g) A
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% v# N* N, \/ V; S/ O, J! J) U美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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; l' C) I1 O3 D: J+ w宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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, h. F, A7 E! ?吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) X# }$ U/ _3 m* t; c3 X' I4 j
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; I6 ^& w' @0 g& S  z" M0 n

5 Z& G9 S$ N0 `* b$ O以下是其他人的見解,, j+ K, n4 W0 f# q' K" K
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 B8 y" S! @* U/ M8 L: R8 ^! O
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ Y3 `: D4 K7 f/ R6 o* G2 W
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* w9 l5 d2 _. n. I% c2 B7 r7 f
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 j: ~! `3 Y3 b/ a7 J
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- H: G" S. `8 Y1 y) t  {
.............信耶穌... ...

" Q, h& s5 k# |  V- A1 C, c" I' r) URegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- U1 I1 g& N: a+ t# ]( h  A% b

  g& \: ]3 n6 D. b- eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.