Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& Y# e: b  {+ J. N% L$ \我係一個連自己都吳信的人# q# o% y' I9 ^
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. v' B2 L6 @8 C道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% U( U8 l6 w$ s" q' W; @3 O呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 v$ Y2 e1 T: i) L4 n4 ZNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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" s/ s- f  V1 _+ bNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 _# g2 s: H( ]; e1 r  j

. K; x: |' c0 V/ F+ ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 |; x6 T; J, ~
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 w" u3 S" O5 h" `. z( t* V+ r$ s# C我只不過微小的基督徒...................: d* G7 Y0 K2 r, N7 j+ j3 |
真的!!這不是反話& Y1 Y# x6 Z; n, ?- k9 `
因為我是情感比理性強的人* a2 Y5 T  p% R  q' D2 o8 ]
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 ]4 u/ Q. O9 {7 Q4 T( R以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, t4 C% l; T" A) S在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." z+ L- k9 n% ]$ ]  C
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ f  W  O# i1 Z) |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ m/ E4 t  z3 Z# P1 O" VWhat a statement we have here?) v, C" I' m5 n6 j" m
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   `$ r1 X$ z: w& x0 y

$ Q& X9 I( i& |( S1 E3 jI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 J  j# _4 ?# l% M3 h
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! u; _1 [  r  D5 k1 z- P7 v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ r+ \* I  N' @9 q6 N"不信也沒損失"7 Q' O, U3 K1 E& v+ X0 N
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! C# L+ m) t# T6 G/ N1 g
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- c. J% ^$ \; u% x
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it's starting because we have sins....../ Z5 @3 S' h5 P7 T' X$ j
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) F" ^: n' X! {1 ^
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( b: a+ v5 c5 X2 d0 i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
( p; Q. g3 N1 m用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 ?! v$ m1 c& S" q% j% h  S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. m& z% _$ I# g8 i
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# E% l3 P. D( ~1 ~
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- V6 u0 M: f( u$ ]7 o, T* _& K
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 Q0 k& [* u5 ?9 H8 |/ O

7 J; `/ z1 c6 \1 Z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# c& V5 R2 K$ W* p8 k2 o7 [
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
! `9 W: G3 V3 Q0 j1 B  ^) A2 \; C2 ^美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 p1 T; t* t! f( A1 j! \9 }- a

+ K) M+ \' u& A; s4 U6 T1 o宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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! E. @: B1 T3 d: Z: O吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 x& C( z& y7 d! C$ K) [信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,8 A: Y, J2 e+ s4 |- O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 y0 z8 `/ K9 G3 G: G0 Q/ ^9 l/ A
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' E+ |( P, U! b) T1 g8 M; }

, n/ X$ P5 f$ F6 J0 j* [0 P不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& s  w  H. M9 N  [7 Q1 U$ l8 ?, @* J

: s6 i1 i6 d) G. U4 t. M5 q6 R同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 f* y0 a8 r7 R
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....0 m7 q* Y7 J% J: O
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 }9 ?3 p' N+ M) u( F

  Q8 T, z9 ^! ]  Z6 O  z' YYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.