Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 |+ P9 C; j6 r
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
3 l% p' w7 s6 o& j2 H/ T又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 [. \% _  n0 b2 f, ^+ S道理我知道好多只係做吳到( \$ O2 u* Y* i) L5 X8 E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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% Q( T- K) U0 Y# I5 R! s  }Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." q! J( C4 F( S, E5 Y. R

5 L! ]) s) K2 ^# [1 W! V6 tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 U) ~/ O: X; f7 V; g0 E8 ?我只不過微小的基督徒...................
2 i3 b$ S3 ?0 F  i* M" A0 b真的!!這不是反話
" z" i$ W2 v6 k; S% o因為我是情感比理性強的人# _8 c! p, c- V9 k1 E
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  [' H  b/ M/ g% u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* r9 c9 I3 [! f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ b5 u9 n0 B2 ?; F7 v. I2 `4 q7 ]What a statement we have here?5 S, J  L7 p" K5 \6 H

, i' @$ b' _4 s9 r2 U* aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - }7 U/ R: P+ x( ~* ?

9 k2 H, I: `) A8 cI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* |3 k! w6 d* o/ T. k8 z6 B( v
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 r6 d$ M; ^& V7 m9 \$ g# R
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% ?: {& U1 y) @7 |; r
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 s/ {" n  d# T4 a% Y5 {: c7 F' T3 b
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it's starting because we have sins......
/ N! b, f2 ?# Y5 Bsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- o  V; a  X) `+ ]  C# Kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
- v& z  ]7 {. w% r& e! j只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 z& w' b0 @' h0 }& \用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# z) l) x2 [, Z- E3 V這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' ^. x0 }5 N" O6 J( L, Y- x# Y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, J" K8 k* U& Y" J" E
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 t" B. @8 Y( S- g! {4 s- V
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ |, }; b3 q8 E3 Y& ^5 l# Y5 r
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 j8 B1 g5 A/ ~
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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( [% g0 s. e6 g, p宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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2 Z6 V" [& L3 ^* N) L以下是其他人的見解,
. a# L% J7 E& b" ~: Q: L看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤' Q2 ~. W8 g1 g/ r9 L4 m$ u
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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2 N/ s  d! B/ |: H+ ?信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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4 v6 k; b5 Z6 l4 S: f4 M( p# q7 |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 e9 k8 @8 @" y* t/ r$ m+ T) w# L

6 ^- x' e5 O) Z: y! Q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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! D& e) T' ^5 Y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ {/ v* J; C* k7 m7 F.............信耶穌... ...

8 ?1 L( [+ S  u/ _' rRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.