Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* v) d# V* q! L, }( O9 X' e2 _1 G我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, q" A$ F3 f4 o- ?0 Y& g2 N又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; l1 O  a- o7 t# G道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( P- m8 |( X; ~% I5 U呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ s3 u9 o+ O7 S. o8 h; a+ xNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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6 H; P5 f5 u  z* Z' n" D- D# G- B0 h8 |Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 T: u% {  m% g) n. X+ _0 g0 ^
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 S4 X) M; h$ z0 s1 u' M8 [. k" R
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ J2 s$ I7 ^7 K" B( Qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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4 @* O$ ?! U5 z7 L5 S因為我是情感比理性強的人! e* G" C' O: T0 D4 w
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 p7 L9 z) G1 S+ r以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 d- t4 f1 G( K. A4 X+ D5 _; `
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. P# S) y8 d+ e; X8 m' t5 b% N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 W% }7 O) W6 aWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 g* k0 q3 i( g4 N, Z" S# M
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 ?! Q/ s* o/ M8 s& \' @9 E

$ Z! t* K" \' C7 ]! ^; kLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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3 d& D2 J7 A8 p[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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9 @! Q, g1 v4 O$ l% t# v% Z$ Y"不信也沒損失"* T. r6 p% s. q- [
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' I- R- H: F, W) h" p* l9 e
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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* B  A7 n# E0 G7 ^# h5 Git's starting because we have sins......  e! f6 T6 S% H: P% o( ?0 p" ?
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 u. `+ t: I+ k- j/ p, u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  `$ Y' J  {$ G, H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 U0 n* y- ^9 H1 D8 U
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 ?7 U1 {8 v! r) C這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, C4 U8 \2 ^: p! p4 N
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) {) B9 ~2 ]7 R2 i; m6 [0 ?而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, P& O# e9 q" Q' X( U1 {# ^
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 z  w" F& j8 d$ W- O+ S/ G  K
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. W/ P$ t" b, m( H# H2 g  f* T4 ?( X* K
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- r7 \; i8 y3 Q2 x3 K. b2 G# |) O2 m' ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 i4 N4 R& P+ G/ S5 \
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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4 u) S+ O0 w6 u" \9 O% y: o吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
2 p1 w) l- B3 P! u4 k看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ y% n; T4 h  m

1 I; a; _$ `4 u0 A信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* Y" g* |+ X2 p) ?6 \

+ l* c8 ]4 z  H, }, U$ U# M- ~不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: D( [8 i. j% ^. h: {3 V6 h4 {
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" x' @5 e9 w1 m) t
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 K4 }3 d0 C8 C5 t
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....5 w' F* ~3 [* ]7 Z/ a- G
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.