Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* ]* E* ]+ D/ Z4 \2 Y6 P! Y1 F/ i9 Z我係一個連自己都吳信的人; n6 C* b, \6 R5 R
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 T) g, \1 t! |8 K3 q; w' W* ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到
& h; H: \9 y1 Y呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- _& l1 q5 m8 t0 G2 q8 O

" a5 m, j6 i, I0 FNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 `- e' L7 b* k: W& O2 ?
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' _5 f0 T0 c! b# N2 M% _- D
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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! T3 s' }0 t5 Y  c5 H- n因為我是情感比理性強的人( u7 B/ ]& W/ _& E5 u- J4 e
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& n  [: g- T$ k- p2 }' I% p4 @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& }" u) y5 P+ [  \/ K: L# {
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) z0 Y/ m! e# p+ ?& K* |+ r) g
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ G) D) i' m- `9 h: E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ M" I/ o( D: [$ x, F/ zWhat a statement we have here?
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. o1 ~" D, {1 _) I/ x9 u& xJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 f) f) j3 [* ?' q% C
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* h" a+ S. Z$ p* v6 `% a" N2 j; ]6 F+ KLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 u' j$ j2 J$ J
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 s4 P5 Q6 \0 y9 R8 \( r" I6 A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"% U" ]) R- q2 m$ ~, Q, G0 J& u/ l1 b: S
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 o& O, _8 X0 w1 X' {8 x; Cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 q9 F* E5 G5 {/ |! W3 w+ l

. r& p& R. e+ z) }3 B3 q8 ]it's starting because we have sins......) f# O! M3 H" f2 @" _+ [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' {( N$ P0 T4 b8 m3 J這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ C& N+ V3 a5 N/ x+ x2 X: U
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 H, V9 H/ m: }6 d- V/ m而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 N; X6 D4 P8 L+ s好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; K: J- T% ^% S$ Z. V8 ^9 K

$ ~# K! @. |; w1 O* Y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% A) Z: _4 X! t$ r. R: Z: z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" E/ t1 x1 N0 p8 ]
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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% O' X; w/ }/ w" z, r吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,7 T5 b. B$ d: y. A
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% `/ q! Z* X! c1 T2 N1 s
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' t! t, {8 {7 r( f( ^

3 x/ |/ U. T& N4 k9 T. Q7 P信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# q5 }9 K, B/ D  I9 }1 u5 l7 u9 T$ D

4 Q( W$ {" x, D- @不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' M8 H' t& P; @& V5 t- Z, n
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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0 m% u# l6 J9 B: |: T4 L同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) t5 t; G% [& p" U2 G" ?
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....! Y2 z" [2 o! @

$ \2 m; T: k5 m/ X+ k7 q  w  t5 lActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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3 z" e, f7 s1 i- A9 L+ y4 |; gYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.