Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 c- r& _) d- X) P8 K我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, ~! s& S+ h! d, ~, W6 }又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& Z: c' l# ^. I- X+ H4 [
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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( l3 Q: b) r2 ~5 `  DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) ~4 t! X. W1 S* w( a' y* L

1 e- p5 d' f  d( PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ c# o4 i- S* |% K/ v

5 g5 S5 E% t: [3 |1 jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 x0 \% O6 B4 b- r- Q8 f

- }0 t! X( o8 a+ p4 ~6 Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., l& }2 z, G+ U$ {: j! a9 Y# ]& e+ ~
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- P4 {6 f' q9 p) f" |我只不過微小的基督徒...................& C% ?3 s! I( Z6 ~8 L
真的!!這不是反話* ?6 ]# B- F% _( P2 V+ w4 Z/ M
因為我是情感比理性強的人7 _  W( |4 a, n' i9 o! z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! ^% {7 i7 e0 z# l+ _; s以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 _! N! V, M3 v* A4 Q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
3 W% _4 O$ y9 W! b正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
* u$ g; X$ k8 ^0 s: B建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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- w$ J: d+ F7 d+ ^* pJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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/ ~8 U3 y% @2 R( ]8 q, k( hI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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0 \( T. K, V: ?/ x; s1 H# ALooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ U. r3 U0 L. S$ v' O

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 s* T5 g) T1 ]* O( m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) ?9 l4 X2 d% ^7 L( ~3 X( h"不信也沒損失"
4 Y1 X! C' _8 }8 ]% O1 uYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' b- |' a  r) b" ^* pbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
8 g) e! M8 y- Z# K& m$ }1 [8 c. h  ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( `! h4 x, \8 x. b6 k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% Y' P' A6 e6 L  }9 j" _
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 e; r, y! h/ e+ r7 v用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: n( h3 s1 N: T& L$ L0 X( `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! m4 I2 O2 Q8 j: D8 T* @如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. U: \/ t4 j% i1 m( d* ~
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- B. B+ q/ `5 i" D* r4 [好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 l4 S/ a/ \5 l1 {! h5 p/ e! }改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' ?# U& O4 w% J0 M美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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1 d$ k4 N- [! ]3 j( x吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( d% T. z2 ]  h# Q% L) u* o
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 s6 J& m2 Z, q2 c: C; A
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以下是其他人的見解,
, i/ n5 N8 `! i, n4 m% D看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! b% J, \6 [# g9 j3 r6 W
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm4 u7 s& y1 x$ j' ^

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 x( \& F3 ?1 r) l! z, ^2 A
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: s  n" J  e5 G/ Q" l

  h1 Y- w0 \& Z" G& l不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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9 U) c/ M. t8 g. p& K* G( Z; a/ n+ b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: D, C* L6 {% E4 v) C1 ]5 f.............信耶穌... ...

5 @1 R; O& S; A( HRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... ~/ V; |7 p0 a& w8 w5 m) A) s) g

. e2 ^6 P: O8 g' ]( i$ ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.