Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ ?& ~" P3 I9 y( e/ y5 d8 W我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 z2 O" P' j7 m& u0 m3 z又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( t9 M4 {% ]2 \" X. d" r% a
道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 Q5 @* ^4 c% O3 K
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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# V, t3 }6 t  t4 L) Y- R; k+ yNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# z  X) F7 w1 n9 T$ b

; d$ J) V9 K+ ^3 o4 D& |' imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 R. ~, {% {( l, }# q" L
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 {4 ]9 V0 X, \8 I. o. Pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' B; z3 l/ q) I! ^) v! ]
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: ]- l7 S; r1 I9 t; p
真的!!這不是反話
' f* V5 d" o4 U6 t因為我是情感比理性強的人
# E2 t+ b3 B3 [; |5 h# a所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 J( T2 e6 a$ t6 ?
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* `9 u) k# h& J3 m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 S* X% M5 w8 M
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 l, t/ ?5 \( l2 n5 p4 D7 K5 d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! T. m3 o$ h3 X' R! }1 @8 d; QWhat a statement we have here?
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& s( d) I+ Z& s" \/ b3 i/ n* bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % i: [8 `: a+ }6 r7 d
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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" I6 a9 j- X4 `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" o, o" q+ e7 q2 f( h$ Z) R

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; V9 r: W4 B' Z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; B6 V% _  b) s7 f- M"不信也沒損失"
0 L# q# ?5 _2 w; c0 ~8 _Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# X- `# K% B5 A9 S6 `2 p
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ b# J& q; M/ S8 _2 S0 G# v; Fit's starting because we have sins......
& J$ ^2 j: G# P" P0 w9 ksatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  X9 y' s" h' @& Hour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& L7 s4 b0 Z, z% k& j
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 d+ r1 F$ O6 ~7 Z2 r! A* {用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 w3 H. L3 z9 a7 p, Y" t
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& D& _- G6 P* j: K. k如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& k2 M2 q% W: P$ ]
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" w3 Z5 F; u* d: l1 j
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 B4 h4 `* o; {* y7 d好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 |' T9 J) Z, u8 l
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# U- L! ~2 A5 X' t) ]1 f3 `! h6 D- @美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具/ E, o6 h+ H# V- h- x

3 C+ n" x" d; B" q7 K- o6 D2 f吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; H& I$ {& }- @2 o8 k  x信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,  D, ?( ^/ m4 c
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; N! o# w3 F+ d* T4 Y$ N' d

/ A, v0 w' M( b5 e. N. G9 e3 l信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 `' S% n( j/ I我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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  C6 p3 p$ Y: W; |1 A同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: i7 L( f* S8 m- T.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....- h- g1 s3 h2 s- A& K* r

% Z. T+ ~5 i4 d, ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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% q) x* i4 c6 B* j! E0 K, s# NYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.