Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! [0 n! i3 i& L1 C4 [我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, m  w2 d" m1 Q* A: r& H又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; ]7 R8 G# _9 m9 B9 Z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到* Y& w! Y. I0 ^( Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 B3 B2 K# K5 `Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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% e4 _4 e/ d) Y+ JNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) u6 X$ Q4 p7 B/ D: H

3 O1 u  }4 a- O1 _. cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) T$ l- ?/ J; t1 J- V3 h$ x, i. S0 ^
我只不過微小的基督徒...................& N2 F  m1 h# z. v2 p/ F8 _
真的!!這不是反話& `* Q9 i  Q2 h% p. V3 U# C: N- x
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
. ?% g# }* i* @1 v  f以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 k- O) M' o; S" W6 g% j在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: n3 X5 w. U; e# B5 b$ E5 f) \
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* M, ]" b+ V) F$ g2 l4 ]* T( J- C5 B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# c5 C, c3 ^/ a+ Y) A3 s/ N0 ?; [What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' m" z* U7 h: J3 _; V( BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 i( r( b5 P; @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 L0 y& Z( z* X"不信也沒損失"
, P, Z/ L3 W% p" n1 L2 [6 {Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, P+ a# n8 d0 Pbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......; @# K6 A$ }* ]5 }% j4 O( u5 M& R
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# R- z) I3 m* S# A. H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 |( s' o5 W% N6 `, E* a用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! {! v- D) d8 P! r0 J1 a9 h1 w: w
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: C1 d, H  W" l如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 C3 `6 M/ q) }; w2 {# [* _
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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. ?  F: R) E6 B8 Q5 z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. q9 y. k2 }4 R3 n& k
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& [  c7 P. y1 k

) C3 ~% f, O! n! A7 b$ m; v+ v一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
+ C, H2 L7 n  D6 W/ a( R) y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; H, L" N0 I5 k3 D美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 v2 d  G) W0 J! n
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,7 l2 o0 {4 \! x: [1 }
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
' ]2 O) g, `7 m& Y/ D/ T% Z( s6 Q$ s# Y看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- C( ^, _  O; M9 j* a+ u
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ `0 Z' |! w8 `- p8 t

8 g7 y' |  z, g( i- E同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# B6 r+ S8 c, r7 Y" S
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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' `5 @, I1 K  }) s9 kActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 }) ~- W, c5 t
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.