Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& c5 l, v" K! m/ K8 r我係一個連自己都吳信的人
6 C. D6 w5 X9 Q4 s( q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
* J9 a& z) Q9 b; X' t7 X道理我知道好多只係做吳到: Q9 G* r; R6 |1 p7 ^7 b& L
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; b' ^- m- U* g  r0 K/ b8 GNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 l: n1 z+ ]+ M' g

( Q$ K+ S7 i, a9 Q- h5 _9 YNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 T5 ]9 W- h- ~! \

  x: F5 \6 W* j) m- qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; t& M. V. C+ v4 r) Z7 tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 d4 ?, Y( d/ w2 M  C/ P$ h/ Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: K& S& a' W4 @2 H3 v- x! Y8 i我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 l6 _( W# Y1 _! W/ j- w0 w# g9 E& y
真的!!這不是反話
0 d* H" s- U7 S. |- t& L( Y因為我是情感比理性強的人
. x% K6 F% k% E( D6 j+ m$ C! Y所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," v2 {, ~. I. H# V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# T2 A" r; K7 W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., [8 H* }, b+ n3 {( h8 }: j
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 k' Q5 l  S; S) f- `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) s% m) j+ |6 j0 I2 [What a statement we have here?
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" |8 i# L% }: I- iJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   Y* k; i  c4 m; I- g$ m

8 t: o* {( o9 r3 _I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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! X; b3 A2 L9 P; u, A, B6 ^Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. l! M. K7 M1 t- z  I: {
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 D  R3 v9 Z" D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% c+ L$ g( |+ N"不信也沒損失"
1 A# f; H& `' o1 l/ O  k) i* i% YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) o" N3 T$ B" h# c, n
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% L: O& m6 y: M/ k

* o$ R1 {/ N' T3 J# Z" X# Mit's starting because we have sins......( k& H3 B% a$ o: _: h
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) k, C, k+ w- b2 Q: d( w/ s
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. k# G8 W* H& j2 [只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 v8 L! w) u% T用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 a; V9 Y0 Z" L- {
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, l, p/ f: a! H& K% q# k
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& U5 Q2 A4 g" ]8 ]* ?4 W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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+ w6 z+ P: D! W2 z1 ?$ j7 S導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 n( {* Q0 |# D' E& l- M好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,$ N6 X; N$ z; v! R6 M+ K: T! n4 H
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 D1 v2 t$ F6 ^  O, U+ [# J1 h0 @美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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) X: [6 k6 N: f% q4 W0 c- h宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 H2 y5 ^1 O$ W% M  t8 l& Q: |
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 v1 j% I# z6 y7 |
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 g3 @4 V5 u1 p  X

) x( l# q' R: o5 c2 {: [) e以下是其他人的見解,
, W# C) u! f; E7 X看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 {  n- A" P$ ^  b9 O. R2 e, J: B
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm' h6 Y6 B* l. G" N

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; T. Y! ?* ^, U' d: B7 `

0 |  }8 l# x. e3 l$ _8 m2 v信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 G. v3 p. i( i- l9 {8 z5 y" z

1 g; f, q. k  X1 M+ h7 l  ]/ w. w不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 {; S+ ^/ k+ _! ?' W! Y
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! |. m# x4 ?3 d0 \) C3 R

$ B- w' F# O. K: ^- L同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* k; H+ X4 `5 u  C) \! W8 s
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...." b4 {( s0 ~# w; G+ V
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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: H( j" [2 k3 L; W: Q% j% a) qYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.