Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ v" P9 a$ ?% g# D! P# h( F
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
' q( e1 d0 r9 ^& u0 p又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; y0 ^( o% x) c- o道理我知道好多只係做吳到! n9 o. q8 Z: I( b
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' G  N; \6 |, V3 T/ {

9 w; S0 |9 k2 Q( t2 L! oNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' X8 [5 v) Z; g5 A" b. j2 G3 m- m

+ v: n+ B3 K( @9 l. mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ p) Z7 m+ |+ l; e
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: o7 A0 B1 Z, @/ S
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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0 k  \& u9 r( ~因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 C3 m' @, q6 ^2 ~以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* \2 ]( p' `( p7 S) p! F4 L
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 J: S$ Z& ~  H8 B2 c% y9 ^3 I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' [' c7 \6 {* c9 y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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/ F5 R" [+ @9 ?1 HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( X% S8 `$ h9 y0 K+ G3 d# P8 Y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 ]( d+ e& H& i% S: p3 v
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- V% I$ ^9 S8 K- a+ v/ h8 O, X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: w- M6 ~3 ]. K2 g) A( P"不信也沒損失"( {# x7 k* g5 O+ B) b' E' S6 H$ C
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 a6 C/ }, H7 A8 [& U4 Y6 `
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 W- k, ~' I  }; `3 f2 u( X
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it's starting because we have sins......7 W8 o5 t4 Z' `* L8 ?5 Z2 D! H
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 Z, H. t% b5 B# s4 C
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 @1 \, g* \; _  T/ l, x4 u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) `/ h- a3 m( I( n, K+ \' L5 O" R
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* a2 \, B6 S# R/ |6 r3 z3 H而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 e% y5 B# S/ Y  ~6 C1 q, W0 Y+ e

3 I9 B8 `! c: w% p$ {2 z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  v2 |3 k6 w- u' Z4 i2 r改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; T/ p; Q6 j% s. p7 h美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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+ U% D8 E+ m( Q* D% ^宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,3 D- Z0 G; ?, C- i
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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- r0 Y5 B3 I7 R. v信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ X$ w; M. _; E6 m" d

; t' v% G0 U0 X( ^+ v! J, \& t不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* W) K# u$ v( [% W5 ]' J
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 F& n9 q, ]. O( j3 F1 i% Q( M.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....6 T  I/ y  T- ~3 |, |

( a% u% d; q0 D& ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ R( i  G2 w6 a; G! o+ @
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.