Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; j& T4 _7 D9 O  q0 c1 s* J
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- p4 }2 @9 u8 {* eNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 j# M+ N  P4 i" ]0 H4 ]
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 q( |+ j/ A5 ^9 M1 G; d  {
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! s1 f' X# j/ t; z我只不過微小的基督徒...................
# @! U! i3 X3 K; h真的!!這不是反話
- E; ]3 Q- A. A因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& e' i2 a* j- T/ w" q1 I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 D9 i" Z" g/ t! f' f6 c& G" V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?( R% ~& ^" k5 z) D7 J8 l
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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1 _8 Q9 H7 V0 E# ?I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* L! f0 k8 ^- y9 ~0 E
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; l- p& W" l; [( A: m! y9 M; o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
- c, y9 X2 K5 t+ x5 Z$ @0 jYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ i+ v9 k& A  p
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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) M8 J- \7 N5 d' t/ zit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# K& K! ~8 g) d
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  b5 @& k: ?$ f: w6 V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- Y/ U9 H" H# }8 \! ?& J( n* `  U而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ v7 l' V' |- k
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, E# `0 L; S- `( q# T' w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 J8 y: j$ Z. [6 q2 \
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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8 q8 X8 C1 m, J吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 J! m. Q$ ~; L; _信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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4 E8 q6 W2 j' \" k7 Y& O以下是其他人的見解,
' ^! q8 |6 P4 w! p看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  y8 D) V! W9 A: v
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( {( D$ r* ^9 W; k# z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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$ v7 ]/ x" h; V7 y1 n" Y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( }; t, U- g2 Y# B同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& v/ J7 E# B# q7 a2 d0 \& t5 N) h
.............信耶穌... ...

/ b8 s+ |1 |  M5 u. N" IRegarding the resurrection....+ |! a& \" [" K8 d0 B2 {

( h+ ]: R$ G, yActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* L! I/ b% J: \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.