Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 j3 _& D: _( E4 R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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/ I. }  z) }* h1 ^道理我知道好多只係做吳到% u: j! v0 B- N- }; n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: G+ I9 s  W. O4 z/ [* ~( J: S9 l  O

/ L& ^+ b5 q4 v* B/ F: ?% c% Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# y  r# Z* @7 j
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 C  i; h- r+ h; E& @9 S" b' Y6 A我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 ~/ r$ L1 f1 o- N以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, F$ v, k) P( b6 }3 o) p0 I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" x8 r& ~( v* ~8 _! NWhat a statement we have here?% A6 C) h/ v) J+ I1 j  K- A4 Z  F
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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, _  |; q* V1 w  u7 jI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. k7 |7 v6 l+ t8 y* G1 Q

7 v* u" a7 h9 l: MLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 @# ]7 ~+ J1 k4 [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"- @7 G. t2 D$ ^0 q- I& `" I
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 y" T8 @1 E0 ], o% E: w
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......: d% B( N  ]8 |2 X
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . L- J, |# V1 c' Z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" ?( ~& `) q. U' [5 q1 O
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ r; e, N" S8 d& @( A, N% n9 ]
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( i$ c5 z: Y  Y2 t) r
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 l# p+ ]/ ]) b* e0 \( y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) S9 q+ ]( t1 s! H: d7 E, G0 S7 V

5 j( P1 t6 P) ?( D" ]7 U7 l/ r宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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! i8 f! u4 ]8 u  q5 w) C3 g吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 H7 Y. N$ v7 j. `2 {8 G2 O信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; f' ]# S$ X( ]6 d$ Z% a
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) D' ?  W" k# v- T6 C+ l

0 R' E0 w4 ?1 j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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4 }4 l' Z$ t9 X7 |/ ^我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# g, |$ |) ~# q, u# ?.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( S9 d  b# u8 i! M  |
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.