Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! E6 S7 u$ j! I道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ j% e! O6 u9 p9 e& n呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' L) Z+ d2 {- S3 L

$ z; g* H8 c3 {5 m0 o8 A3 QNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 U9 Z- f1 l0 l$ w6 D: O: A

: N: z' ]3 ~& D, a- m4 K( jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 c4 A* k6 E: s  r5 J) ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: k# ?; U, Y8 o2 C3 r. I
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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. F% |# y2 H% Y: \因為我是情感比理性強的人; z7 l# [1 I# y! A' y! O
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* [( e( z# f0 q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ u+ G" ~: C- r; W( n2 T1 S7 U; w
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
( n/ e  r" z/ P6 Z) a正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 R( f+ B) x: V" h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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/ X; N7 h8 B2 s' Q+ z8 H! t8 B6 KI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 `6 }1 e3 `; w6 E: ]" T: S

1 o, h6 a" G' E; t( c- {  k8 ^Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 s& E5 \/ a( F0 o: A$ F5 v. H( V

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 {8 W5 @3 T5 x! w+ Y; W; P. e建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; J  K" k0 q" J  [8 p5 w+ U"不信也沒損失"
2 w' e) ~1 W+ S" N4 Z% t2 YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& e4 q+ G* o; P) L2 F1 J0 z# N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( u  ?9 M# {4 G' fit's starting because we have sins......
, t! N& T. {, n3 r0 q5 c$ w  Ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 A4 N8 a& w$ X+ m6 H% n* Y% J9 p! sour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", b0 Y# r6 `( D  i1 M7 _
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, B: _0 V0 V" t/ U( X3 z9 R# b
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' a& U6 C- T/ H. E1 p9 a這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 p8 r- j* Z0 n2 j+ L如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& \9 t6 _5 z/ X1 o# Z: m而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 N0 |9 Q. [: D$ `" \$ Q

- r* Q" }4 m3 k8 M7 l導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; X( L4 S6 o9 M
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 v" j' X! h3 U2 C, Y
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 _! V) n4 i4 l& M& ~( R2 A) f
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. X+ z, x, R; Y
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以下是其他人的見解,# q% V, _/ Z9 f$ t, E) V4 A3 m! S
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 T% o  B3 u/ a& E8 P; e6 O( B" ~
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!2 W3 _; J: `1 y! ]  K2 Y2 G

# c; {) e3 \: N1 q0 L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' S/ Z) [" }+ k" B* i) T
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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5 a5 f3 s- n7 L3 l! k) v0 ?1 `0 AActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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- K+ Z% x# D& L* [You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.