Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 A( O2 E; X# @# Y; a3 G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人* j3 Q. F0 R! G  f
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢2 L3 ]# I$ n, M* F' {$ l. U
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, i( w1 ^, H: b) s呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* u* L" J' j5 t  n; K0 X7 VNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& b+ \9 O* y) j) C. g
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ x6 R' ?$ A: o7 x5 n

! N" E1 j2 ^# P, n1 H: b6 qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ `5 g. E9 M/ F' E8 n* n6 i; U2 m
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....1 y# k+ P9 m$ u! m3 J6 f
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! Z; Y. S) {8 f, F
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人. P. `# f' `; ?! o; U9 D3 O
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 q: t' _7 z& e, {. {0 D以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 i$ e. @  F) M+ Z* N7 x% d
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 E0 s8 t6 F  Z! u" M7 {) |8 l# U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?5 O5 W/ E( T, j" E  k1 n/ ~
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " E9 A% @: O8 ^+ i' {3 ?$ Z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% u. K. R$ G" h( N

) X. ?9 {& [4 r; {- KLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 D5 e" w( h0 c# f+ {
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 `$ c( \9 E3 A
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* o  X0 x# e0 ~, d* @4 B- H
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it's starting because we have sins......! l2 d6 k* a( Z8 t7 ^& J, f
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 c3 W  O9 \/ S9 j5 I- }) Q! g* f. K
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' I$ t( o$ e8 l" U
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* j3 z5 L7 _' g5 S7 q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( y, K) }9 b! H9 e) h" \9 S而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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& F# S4 G- t# P& |* k" w導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 Q+ t" e' T# w9 {7 X- e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ I/ b/ {3 z  f: a$ @8 i/ O0 l+ w; d

0 W/ M8 J4 b, y: @% H一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! f$ O' Y) m3 Q* y6 a9 P
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
8 @8 a; E+ n* X$ l美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' m# |! f9 Z# }0 F' z1 @
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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0 U+ t$ Z2 l; ^8 ~1 A以下是其他人的見解,) A& o1 `; @8 ~3 I5 ^! N- p0 D1 p
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 i/ J. Z( n5 @/ b3 E2 [0 H
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" v8 g) A- n% r( N

; V" t( C7 `, J6 T& q& y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; X  b8 D/ k8 L

  k9 S; A4 N) v- q/ V3 {" y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
; }( }! }/ Q0 z+ r- h/ w.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: k! Y# ^' H; C! S* n
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ ]% _* d+ F2 b/ T

% d" q, e5 r$ W0 |* V; XYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.