Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 l/ P+ A: U' j, i' v9 @* T
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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0 ?* K6 c+ V; m& `! o, rNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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0 f5 d9 P0 g$ a8 t9 v' \Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  s$ K- V1 M5 C) Q' tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 A. T- I( o4 b/ a

0 L+ c, h; T3 Tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' j. E( ?2 b5 ], G& dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; T9 k% f$ Q  Y* Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 S+ z1 ^0 |  v- @% l1 F# i6 v' p0 V! N
真的!!這不是反話
1 n6 q, U' N' l( g因為我是情感比理性強的人9 E1 b  r" t2 \* H+ D4 Q# e
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# t& w: J! G1 S7 _+ l以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 J( A, o" ^; T/ Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) \% ]. ]- A5 ~1 ~- n: \9 F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ k" M1 h' ]& L# {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 U7 f4 Z7 B6 j( Y$ g) g7 F" rWhat a statement we have here?
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* {  d8 o6 k4 C/ V0 w, TJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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4 D% {: U2 ]  h- MI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 d; k' J* E9 y1 Z4 P
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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9 R& L2 y/ d' N8 M# ^[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; y) M# o. P! h+ W5 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ p4 N9 G2 v/ [# H3 d"不信也沒損失"  G% X5 e0 N% o: p
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' h. |/ u5 {. {' w  c
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' d) N; W1 c1 a: d5 _, y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ O+ W- @- e4 k, c3 ^如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ }. N5 z. g2 y# p) c
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' V9 u( l3 g, \* |4 |2 F
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
  Z/ A3 l' x/ P好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! A' d" I8 _9 c& v8 J
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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' J& @6 d( E$ U* i5 B+ e! a宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( p  o4 s9 _0 Q+ }) {* `) b/ V
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# Y7 E2 |) ^8 y6 u# ?& \
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 P" h& r  P: F8 J! c8 V7 v5 ~
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以下是其他人的見解,! J  @; h. _2 P3 e" t# M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 R$ P9 H7 A  H5 d: M2 A: r. Y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 R# X. T3 i* `( Y# c

( g6 ^. N  M0 F+ _信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ w' {8 S4 n/ h4 O7 J8 M6 q/ y  I不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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8 f6 N2 C! @6 @" ~# k我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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3 b& G4 s3 z% q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% l) l# y# y0 T$ i7 |.............信耶穌... ...

9 ?+ e/ I( p# q0 S# i4 GRegarding the resurrection...., `; X$ S. K6 P$ [/ {  {

  m& ~9 p! d( U; D4 U0 M+ cActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.