Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ w! I- e. f" d, p% U
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 g7 y$ a0 |2 X. A1 `# p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: j* J) _1 c3 K: e2 h# k  G

/ n: x2 P" R5 UNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 r5 |3 N$ s& k
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# p0 m( i8 Q5 {* T

1 J5 b7 [$ I+ I& Mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  H* ]/ `6 b5 L7 y: X5 p6 a5 ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& r) T' @) J; J0 V" H
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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8 R& c( V2 r2 X: i1 E因為我是情感比理性強的人5 O: _4 Z& s% @" z' @/ m
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: O* q7 R) O5 L# w3 h7 M3 u) K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, ~3 B  [: `$ o: I& y在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 [. r5 c. K" v4 D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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! a- m4 _$ Q2 N/ }Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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/ w( G5 X  f6 O4 F  |5 h. ~. EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; m0 E/ k" J% \% w/ `) x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
* b$ [8 R( C4 \9 m2 YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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7 X) m. \6 e9 @; w- Lit's starting because we have sins......
5 B2 u( m- s, j( U' x9 Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( F* W9 e" z3 [our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' D; j9 U; _. K$ q: f8 e
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 r, A  i5 Q# U& C如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ V2 g& F2 ~4 x  |! X& @6 `9 T- y而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 ]& @/ u; }" j; c) C

* E6 m2 F$ X9 v& ~' Y, V- r, M) O- V導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." J$ k- n' y; B0 q4 a
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,( i; c: I2 q( `4 e7 H7 m
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" a. u# [/ [" h6 T  |+ B! h; w+ y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" s) Q' b0 s# \* V

2 @2 u  O, _: Y, B/ d我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! X4 ^' V" Y& w  j8 ?! y
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ [7 A) i6 q1 d# K( D3 d.............信耶穌... ...

" ~2 g9 W' N: X& dRegarding the resurrection....5 R8 |$ P1 I3 [

3 Z2 F8 p6 {* C$ l/ RActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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) h6 E" C- I  P# r/ u7 LYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.