Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 b, w- Q4 c/ q/ J* @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到  @/ G* \0 {* |
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 q* G8 _% i- GNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& T6 l! T, h$ \' B* I9 }
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 `& F: o6 y! W0 W1 M) j- R% h9 t我只不過微小的基督徒...................! `, A# f( S- `% q
真的!!這不是反話6 H- p9 g2 E+ @  N  T/ W, g% \
因為我是情感比理性強的人6 d( G/ w: q% B
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 `: H6 ]6 y. A1 m1 a3 R
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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5 C6 t+ Q% C) G* X& {, K% @! VJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 c. ]4 k2 v$ K6 W4 ~! w

/ J% _  r8 I; D! C2 dI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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7 H8 b* X3 U2 Q"不信也沒損失"1 y3 H& n* ]3 C$ {7 U5 f& |( P
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 o! _- ?+ U) T2 N: [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ D0 J- I* V  O. f; X0 M

2 F3 ~. S0 c8 B' i  |6 Nit's starting because we have sins....... a/ ^& z' m% q9 M2 L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  D3 G, F: l2 B% L2 J: K7 p3 U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* `3 @* z6 J6 v! Y4 H+ L6 N( V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& t( j# c$ x" [/ P/ F1 ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. t( S' c% f0 W如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% c  o6 @7 U& W+ E$ E( R而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' K/ A: Q0 q4 b( b) |7 \8 h% |0 z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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$ z& R) a: I$ e" r+ W- q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 Z3 T, g) R0 ?- ^. A3 O. W
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- q# ]( X* U( @
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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  b3 \; J4 t: K) Y& ?6 `0 ~5 c以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 b" I) ~5 J' H+ C6 h: T, o
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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( |- l7 q" y2 w不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( c" j# z8 A" ^# d8 _/ O1 X
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) t# g6 F; [( r* c

% g# [" p. t" u$ f: V同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; B. h6 v6 ]$ j9 W. d" b( I
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& {2 b! a0 w5 j" t/ O7 rYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.