Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 x' h1 ~4 k! `; v4 F
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 Y" G: }; x2 `( M
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 n# M& g% h8 y2 u
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; A" e3 O. \! b6 n/ I

, A, x( z9 C) b, istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( |) {% B4 i* |2 O
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% y2 d5 I( Q* i! Y  Y3 l' V
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  N+ L% Q# f1 A) c
真的!!這不是反話- H1 F7 p( W# s4 M8 H
因為我是情感比理性強的人3 \& D9 U) |1 B3 _" G
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( M# m8 {4 u/ d; F& @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 U% v5 ~7 k! K4 f8 l+ l) @在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ j" b) D9 q) e( f' ?0 ?2 D1 W' M7 P
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, _* o" \0 J  p) r1 P
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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; m: f: J  ^8 JJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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) g, X! K* b5 h! X, C5 g. SI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ i8 H1 A! w! a  o7 R
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! M. n! i! {6 f1 E5 j
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 P( D  ?$ i9 y0 o+ J
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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2 p4 c5 `: N2 t; L+ `1 Git's starting because we have sins......9 a+ c# n) T" Z* M, J7 z% ~  h
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' ]: n/ K9 y( H
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ [8 i) P* i. e& m1 }這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( p4 s/ g5 [3 t0 R
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 k, {) E" V% W6 N
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) {3 B5 y" z( [' H' g9 F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 {( Z0 U5 o8 _; w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' q. `2 m& C4 w

2 d8 g& C9 z: A* f' }( `. F0 q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, b6 z/ _6 N9 ^* G
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% \9 \( Q: D# ]+ \' T$ t美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- E7 x% N0 }8 t0 |0 x) I1 `7 S
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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6 S/ g1 {9 S4 \/ g% [$ U% X吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- e6 R3 v- H0 s; s( b信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ M* O; r' h% w

6 @! T1 _# B1 p1 I+ p以下是其他人的見解,
, d, I% \' R. }* P; Z' a$ z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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! z. @$ V, W5 {+ W  R8 b" Y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 e2 G2 e/ y. s3 g

3 P$ ?# U0 B# C不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  m; t: [1 Z. h& Z3 W1 v' H
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- D; a5 G0 }2 Y3 g, l1 K. D
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....0 z: v$ l& R1 S" S8 F1 R0 {
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, T! ~, [  ]6 z0 @0 uYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.