Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! @' ]/ a0 [- W/ d- |. M+ o
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
8 v, s1 K0 D' [: e! u又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: G; x& S0 }- d' @- ^1 d
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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& P4 y# o) X; ^1 j$ ~1 n# `Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: v! u4 d8 L) N- A6 S
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 ^4 }9 z3 y) ?# tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 ^2 i0 |9 ]$ h5 D, V6 y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 c$ D" A9 l+ p2 X真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 b8 b! ~% Z% H
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# t3 R$ V( [5 C" p
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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( Z$ w8 W! W$ X, I' ?What a statement we have here?" [. j3 ]( G$ @1 p
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . z- j3 A4 f4 R  y0 ?2 e/ a/ k

: k1 L4 U8 H0 {/ s: iI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* E3 A5 J& i% E+ P- m1 g5 Z
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- ~# m- J: P* Q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  K- t1 U; h# ^% U7 d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失". u- j8 v3 }' |, j# f/ I
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( h6 y8 v/ N3 r4 U* ~2 o0 t: Pbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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4 `8 l. W' m1 Q% ^- l% Sit's starting because we have sins......
6 ^6 o7 G% L4 I& e4 d. |satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / y5 ~# m* O% j$ L* Z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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9 M: a2 Q0 z* b4 L  b: E導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...7 S& o: [/ {1 @+ X7 I( A
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,. b# y- [$ y1 A# n
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 \9 k9 ?! `- v# a0 J
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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1 e" b6 C# W- J6 U1 y7 w不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ @5 t! `+ u% p3 R1 ]& O- }

! |* a% |, A5 r& L: @/ O7 z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& V# W/ ^2 b0 J0 N/ ?! H  T2 ]
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- N5 n) @/ \) x
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....7 ~1 x8 T: x! B7 W. N
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 |" W" @$ X2 u8 |7 N$ h' mYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.