Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: e$ o- q$ x% b5 q* w
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
: h. q" q# A1 m- U又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ n6 p8 P* C5 n" G8 \6 t2 B  H
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' N; m  G7 r0 R3 B( n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( [7 l5 k# l# S3 O) _Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ v4 K  @" r9 ^" \) r: ~6 h& D

$ j7 T1 }2 t' D- jNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  ?) i0 r" v" jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) M* p: r& B' m3 f) Y

+ X3 F5 [7 l5 V! A4 k- ]9 A) Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% @4 S! Z+ k3 N8 ?6 U4 P) b! q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, M2 W7 q; N8 b我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 K! H7 T! W- S3 R5 P9 v
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 e6 T% I" m7 J" L( n/ O6 W
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- ?2 o/ b7 ]. g0 q' m  t, k在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 [  P4 d7 f% Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 V/ y, h" d# c1 s# H& h, o

1 P) U1 [1 ~: \) JI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) i) a) ~: l. Y8 c8 q0 ?) r0 d, x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; F7 z7 Y/ X0 Q$ }9 W/ B7 o: G"不信也沒損失"* d3 o/ X  G2 q/ \- h+ h- R
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... \+ I( {8 ^( y0 Q( c$ s' I
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) b) k; G, E2 `

( W' z  A$ g# t* Mit's starting because we have sins....... z# |% C. A# H1 Q* D5 [/ |
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! x& U, h- Y6 \5 F7 l0 l
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", S- z9 H2 ^7 ~2 C- k1 j' h: |
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" K4 C. r; @8 x9 q$ t* r/ J用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 L2 a" A6 ~  U7 }' }這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% t( N' Q+ n, M, W% F
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 V2 K$ o7 O' x5 l而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 `3 j5 c) A* k& O- O1 s好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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4 |0 c: z% V0 l& {3 m8 F/ c一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& a- W/ l; O& y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具' W5 _% u2 G8 d& R6 W% o
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# b# n  @; C/ ?) W. J) L$ e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,: e( X6 H0 B" h0 W2 L* u. ~
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 e) V! ]& y4 R3 B7 H: i. X
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: i5 Y# s' S$ i# l" o% _9 D
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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% Z$ w  p: j5 d/ J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 Z! N1 g* t( P$ H. ~0 y

1 q# b3 ~+ A; ^  Q7 d同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: X) R! ]9 W- j& i' E
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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2 z0 a5 @3 Y" G1 S) |7 M/ hYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.