Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% j5 Z1 e3 S+ n2 c* @4 ]
我係一個連自己都吳信的人# y5 X, \7 b, B0 C4 }' g+ ]% ^5 U
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ i/ m: N9 K; F; t) r, q6 ~) v
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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% e# a" r) @( T% CNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 b0 a7 b8 @, f4 h
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: f; G; o* l; v0 e, M$ f8 {
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 P' s- f  K/ \2 z8 d6 }我只不過微小的基督徒...................# g& j0 ]2 h0 N. F3 u; s! Q+ k+ \
真的!!這不是反話
( Q2 f7 n/ s6 K) m因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ a  {! F5 `) G' x1 @0 G. |
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! `% b1 p% i+ k
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 O7 v% n& }& a  Z: _  L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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- S9 w0 I: @! P( b) y: b3 P- e: q0 iWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) R: V5 ~- c: U. g
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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$ k( X5 |1 y  l! a% V( w8 jLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  ]% V3 c+ V; y4 h6 R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: l# q! Z' L& p1 r" A  u+ e9 U"不信也沒損失"- E1 q, E, Q9 a# T
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......: u& C" K( M8 |+ {
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ J" G; {& Z8 Q6 P0 |
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 I& V+ m8 E& ~; F
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; A) O, M4 v4 E. q0 f  ]這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 [+ f1 _, U8 z

' ^1 O* w0 {" ]& A7 H0 e! {導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* H' C7 o) l" M5 ]6 V, B0 f好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% `. @. E4 E# }: _" a7 S' F

8 `7 d0 R4 |" l( b  \一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! ^; v  X6 z7 ]# r
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. V0 L" P0 ^+ g/ T! O
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ g% A+ B! v+ n- h  E6 r
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& m% R, t' c3 S8 v; y) ]+ `

9 H0 N1 u+ M* i- H我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) ]' }. L. b- V

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 J* F( g  A9 n- d. U" a
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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. E. [* [6 F, z$ r2 wActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( @7 K- R, P& x; T4 x
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.