Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ X  e6 y0 P/ _
我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ T* K* ^% O4 v3 ~. T  q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 p" p  g! T+ o1 Q3 Y. q道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 r7 X! M& C, i# U

( R: ?% y2 Y) ZNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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, \# O; v9 X% f- I. [mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 k' e2 U2 d  b; Xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....) {; x0 |  G# o& [
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! f) s+ ^! S' W我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ X* }: ~0 F  T2 w( g
真的!!這不是反話* m! l/ x9 |2 V5 y1 y
因為我是情感比理性強的人) I1 l1 O: b8 N9 v( k3 z4 X! f
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 @! g: {8 D7 k* K; n% g以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( E7 c2 T7 L3 f0 l1 e. U; |在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  j( m! }6 P$ ~2 A1 w1 K
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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+ G/ O9 K5 i+ g, CI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." l6 B. ~2 K. N0 ]7 v8 k6 D

) D1 h8 w8 X/ `; nLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 u& B- K3 f  C

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
) ]( ]5 Y$ b% q) H& q2 E% I- U建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") D, D/ b! s7 y' `- t
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( Y2 x" g: S) X9 R( tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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. Z( h, h- L5 ~9 Kit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  V2 U% t& ?. P/ d
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' r( W' M, Q/ |: y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* z4 q/ n+ y% T" L+ a3 D
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' T1 x/ \. r  p; ~4 x4 `7 Z3 D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, J8 @2 \3 C% w4 C2 O0 N
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. }/ s& U- \5 Q

8 _% X5 N: J0 N0 G1 w9 }3 ]導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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' f1 u1 s0 i$ a  \$ ?/ E& O: |一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 F" y7 Q( `( O" p; o0 m) Q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 M- ]* F9 L4 g0 h; g美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具' _! O3 o& }' B
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: }/ C* {  c1 v/ {! }8 v
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 ?2 e% h8 h: ~! R

  ~' ?9 X% w2 o- n9 A' J; B以下是其他人的見解,; P1 x, e/ T) }# @# J- j% ^) J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 Y% R* c" P+ }+ A' k; V信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 j+ V5 ~$ X3 s" F/ W

+ r4 f0 |% u1 ?/ v9 s不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 I) q7 Y6 Q% a+ E. z" s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' [1 `% D0 i7 u5 ^4 k' b. h

1 [* y7 A: E! a: Y- c- S同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( c3 P: V9 P( F+ Y* q
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 Y; r4 g, \4 E: N2 x2 Y
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.