Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% U: c& |# C+ m0 ]7 l% }
我係一個連自己都吳信的人* f0 ^& K" D  }3 m8 ~- v# x
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: l! v/ M3 ]9 O9 T( G3 V
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 s1 k7 [- S* Z0 r5 o呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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7 b9 A9 K$ q6 O9 p2 vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) e* j+ a2 m% F; X5 Y
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." B+ k3 n. E1 K) B

( A1 B8 p$ T) K9 i$ K  H9 Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# _1 z  ]* g# |1 v' I  D+ ^# N6 X
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 `+ {* l# p$ z5 J8 ]( m
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ v0 W& \. U6 B; @
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 U$ \4 h. I$ W* `" H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( l7 w3 ~3 x" I# N. i4 ~& }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 x& H3 l9 K# W4 g! J' d! z5 JWhat a statement we have here?
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! B" e* N9 i0 q- v% F& [( {# IJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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1 }+ ?% c8 L0 u$ \I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 B. H$ k. x# [
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' L) ^3 m9 m2 [9 A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
$ C1 s/ a3 u6 bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( a$ n7 o. B& N0 Cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) N3 ^% U7 _& y; B. P8 x1 @) _
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it's starting because we have sins......
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& _7 B( U9 a$ P! f' h& k5 Q6 O' M0 Rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 y# [. B. @. h4 y4 m3 X
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' p& u+ ~, _  {9 l5 ?
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 Y9 T- [" g( g/ G# `而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 t! T, _# w5 @; L0 V導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
9 i. s) j6 n6 Y# [* c好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# H. l1 \# e3 w$ X6 z# O8 @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
! `+ d! H& K6 Z! i. E改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 @5 b0 S% {, E% K0 h( S5 |$ d美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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; q3 ?& N" v) A8 e# R宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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+ Z$ L1 L& B7 X) _1 K9 u吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) v3 I4 m) `& L- r$ i4 m8 V信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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# C6 J$ A& f( e  Z7 w3 j. q( M[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 R2 |' X% J* `( e4 U
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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& h7 E) e) v$ I5 ~, m$ [+ x不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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# k+ i3 c2 W& \" `我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ Y: w5 j, ]# Q, a

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
& J3 D/ n$ q; i3 U" S( {) W9 h6 M.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 [' A3 q) i' ^+ r7 M0 b
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.