Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 }' Q+ K1 J1 B, _( Q7 p) y2 N
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 b# F$ _! \8 ?" U+ {8 c% y6 P又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ @6 {7 m) s4 W' q0 P  s1 D* ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: y4 B) {1 s9 q9 J* Q( W  X9 c呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 h6 E/ b# w# u3 p" c" F; vNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; [" C" a4 c! c

1 B* ?9 |+ t0 H+ S4 kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: M* i7 e: z6 [3 K% p3 T- n1 R4 x/ b" d

" d$ u* }( l7 _$ \mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& N8 Z3 j( S$ q0 q" N
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 N$ G7 X$ q' q$ M: `/ R  S/ \
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  p, ]# x: n( N6 ?1 v
真的!!這不是反話
5 J# C' A' ?2 m) d  k6 j9 n/ v因為我是情感比理性強的人5 s( s+ ]' F7 k- ~3 h+ ~) R
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: k# N/ r. P9 u5 K以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 T, k& S8 x2 t' w
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' k/ H/ U4 k$ r# i! z1 V
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. t: H) a( t* l/ Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! E" N5 x& r% c8 g$ q* \& VWhat a statement we have here?
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6 }4 r9 q) P! b% [+ lJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; q0 @7 t  w: K6 M6 S8 L* GI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ @% K! o; m* m# T; M7 oLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
, T3 N9 U8 t! D2 [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 }3 r3 R/ d' H$ _, N9 c"不信也沒損失"6 E0 m! Q& ]+ ^- t
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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/ n& X# V6 L5 c3 D- I. eit's starting because we have sins......; V, F, _( Q8 V2 o
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * n. P1 N7 t% f
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": Y5 b) I! Z! p/ d0 j
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 Q7 u  @: ^7 V9 N
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" e7 f. J, D  o" m  k這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 s1 h& o/ z" c! B7 A! t) d) N
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  `+ |1 k; b8 d) r而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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1 ~# d0 e2 P, ?( O7 s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 [, ^4 _" e9 j0 n. p2 Q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
. R7 h- C- }3 E+ ^4 A' W! A- |: v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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) T" {7 [* u" K3 k+ O宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! q# u# q' i, W7 f信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 n7 K2 F/ w6 N2 c* `
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: @$ v5 V" I+ k. l4 t

( f* h4 Z/ j! b" Q7 a信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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0 G& F  z. \. {8 w9 N不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 F. B  @" A0 n% s' K  I我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 r7 S- W+ [% ^$ f# f- T0 G
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( i- y- ~8 W" I* b+ q; N! v.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....7 a4 G4 P7 c# N9 ^2 u8 n, r: E6 N

3 @4 L6 k; G) g4 eActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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5 }# W: [& N# bYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.