Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ S* W: Z. U1 ?0 H) L) ~我係一個連自己都吳信的人: _4 R9 j/ \3 G1 O$ p8 T+ i
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 [4 u$ \( w7 b/ h( }
道理我知道好多只係做吳到! Z$ [5 Z! ?1 E* d- D1 b& ?0 a
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( G! B, t! w7 U* ]$ NNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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8 M. R2 p- \2 o1 v. R5 K) [Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 A+ X% B. ?4 ?  H% Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 Z2 @- a  ~' q6 r0 ^2 d' g( A% _

5 D) m$ t5 ?1 u; l) }: ^$ ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ Q- y& K2 B9 L* Vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. I+ I% w' k3 u  G- M我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人( ?% Y6 v  }# l/ f: V
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! |( P* E3 v; B; Y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 Q/ N' M* Q- p& a
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 @7 O1 K$ V7 Q4 B* Z0 X2 n% o0 b+ k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 a/ y5 o, n$ N3 yWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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5 m/ O1 C# R/ v% r- a4 \I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ r1 T- D2 H8 u: ~5 j0 W; \
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( U$ W4 v/ n' P" e8 ~( a

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( R& Z5 p/ W6 G+ o! O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. J& @" @9 {! R. _) G"不信也沒損失"
* U; e+ ]& k* t. \- h; gYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ |- E# H5 S0 y- W. R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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) @4 A+ G, _1 Z; E: q9 K8 r, H/ b0 fit's starting because we have sins......2 b: E( E1 M1 @4 E. ]
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 n  ]* ?8 ]( aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". }& R" T! i, G7 }5 e* u
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
& a! n9 l% T: V6 Y& `# Y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: \4 ~% o3 X7 v% B( A5 ^
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; I% u- n( G+ W7 F! O0 s3 a( M- W- ?
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ J: A6 {3 D: n$ h. _# A
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 L" P# M3 a* ?2 Q5 L' d

: c7 R! U7 R1 h- w' [5 a/ K導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& ?/ @. ^0 B$ r0 p9 n& [
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
" w  {) p/ q1 i' }改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% ^% B4 C0 }2 t( S3 G& E
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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" V$ V* z6 a6 K! M' k宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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. R4 h' b; Z+ |4 d- @; c吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 M! c+ R8 |, z+ F3 S
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 `6 M, J5 N! ^% [0 `# ^

' @/ P! S6 _+ N3 {0 u# S' d! s以下是其他人的見解,
" ^% y. \1 E/ z# n$ J看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% x, u5 M' e& @6 c

. S) B6 @1 R* U7 z! m( F* d信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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* x; v6 c+ \5 B' C不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; m) M4 L% z+ c. d

& t* u: B4 Z3 W2 q( X, Y* b3 O我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 R8 Y  d' {& w/ N8 q
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" ~* h8 U( U0 K+ P  j.............信耶穌... ...

" R1 V, v8 e; F* R5 u$ h( {1 ?Regarding the resurrection...." |7 x& `( V0 H* q

6 c* ]! h. Q* `; o1 TActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 d" W" L; G4 V  d, i

; N8 s; X: ^  l" p& @+ R! h7 hYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.