Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 `7 H/ E# v$ O; N" g3 g/ V我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 p8 X0 I0 z4 Z) @1 N$ b
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- J$ {5 |# e3 t. n道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ V4 z* Z# r! y8 }# N5 h6 n6 T呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* m( t! ]) Q4 u6 p. {$ b5 a8 UNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- c! Y5 k  j8 K$ R9 ^# H& w/ f

- ]# o; [4 Z: _1 m" D: w5 FNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  [: u( u& o2 [' A- z
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- v7 G3 B& D5 U0 x1 t9 J

1 U6 i9 T9 N" |0 O8 dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 `# t1 |) j. `: W2 wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ y/ f0 ]( P' H$ i$ C! F9 x
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  u, ]+ q: s0 P+ k4 v5 c/ o
真的!!這不是反話
" L( T5 M6 M) K7 ~) o因為我是情感比理性強的人
; d4 t7 M% a' r! A! g所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- \7 x: p; C. k: @# ^! F% w: K以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' B* w/ b7 n; i
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 \4 b4 O) d  d- n. f4 `6 s
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. X: X1 Q& {- h% [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ |5 {* K7 s! k$ UWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ t1 e1 O' J& Q; q
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' w0 Q+ A4 J; D5 @Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# i3 D& t. y; i7 K
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 i6 U8 \; t: N& `. U  @& k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, O% @: G0 Y* k' B0 x, a"不信也沒損失"$ e+ a  Y2 t' v+ k6 R3 m3 F' F6 k
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 v5 k+ Q! q9 hbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......+ v: \9 J. Y: T9 ^8 N1 Y5 t3 i5 S+ g
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- R3 q% w( u; v! W% \our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
& m7 b, w/ \8 C, E) a: i$ S& g只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ G! G' N& `- o) T- m7 O$ {用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% P2 i. |9 ]; |/ j; n% ~+ D
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 a2 A8 g$ v- }) F! l
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 M) m" y% v3 n0 k( m而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 v2 E& N3 G0 Q

7 D( V1 f* `. r# I) L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ Y5 u8 ~4 m  J/ r2 u好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# P( w: |, V6 L( i一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# ~) e  q+ [: `7 x% m4 f" Y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 a% e; C8 r& z1 w# W$ w; f美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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" T" }- i8 ^( P: [: u! k/ S( q宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具% i4 x1 m6 k4 J5 h# x5 Q2 B0 ?

/ M) f/ V3 i7 o% N" x2 B; u! w" |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 m# u* ?0 G  g. r& h' U信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 d8 e0 M9 C( [) f# E  v
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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3 q/ }  D) j' C  }& h% ]" ^信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( ?: t9 O  f3 o( k( P9 O7 @# `8 V( o

: z0 L" \' j1 j! C  r' l0 b8 s不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 W. |' U; n, \0 X

& U) B& u' h0 W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 {& q0 b; Y* @3 Q  v.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....2 a4 W! P9 C% `( P6 b
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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3 F7 q: K) @3 EYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.