Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 V3 W3 W' k2 J# g7 m7 y8 Q# G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到' Y/ K: ~. S0 L5 y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; T$ n, H6 k/ t; k  R" V* z) JNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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7 g4 X+ p1 T6 b$ Q3 I# n1 j+ INobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 Z/ }5 s0 m! K/ w9 ~
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; r7 X" K- W: S3 T9 t
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 P" g1 a6 k. I  N' U% m# @cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 D( O8 I  e: C我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 j6 C1 f, ^; X; n- [+ s
真的!!這不是反話
9 F/ g- D0 q: }7 T因為我是情感比理性強的人
: v4 y. ^) X$ }1 F; q$ {5 ~8 ~所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% t/ b  v' z  I4 \以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 L* G9 T) `0 {
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' a1 Z) C& ?1 l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 _* q2 C- R* K: o8 MWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., Q; z; ]+ E6 ~5 ^( j
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  F# D5 ~6 N6 v/ p; t

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ U) @# n2 c, M1 S8 s" H: S! ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 J6 ?/ V% E* ^% `. b  ?"不信也沒損失"
% C& \) z( X3 O% mYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 s1 I: t. A# H, s) h, g5 G
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; i! C. {9 w, M5 A" |: X
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it's starting because we have sins......$ B0 g( u7 d9 O/ ]
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + N* K: b4 T. F7 L
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. j+ D, _. E9 l只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" D. j5 d- z+ W- t7 G0 a/ L+ t如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# O7 t& o/ m  H# W而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; h: E  X# g( a: |. n7 k

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好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" {4 {3 j/ N9 K6 L" p7 G- p一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: o1 X: c3 @' F
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: E# f- K# N, p, Z6 B
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ F! F8 S4 }/ ]

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
$ b- `* }  [% _3 M7 ?$ x; l7 o4 E信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: u" o+ V3 Q, c! t: r以下是其他人的見解,+ ?/ C1 B1 h6 Y0 K. y! b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* u% ?6 e% t* g+ b3 C9 N
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 s" G& E; Q- E9 R  y0 i0 E9 n
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ i, a+ t! d& t5 |
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" `# d. r" y% R. _/ q8 I2 [3 H# U我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: _' g5 _- B9 J4 p

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: i  c! W) g0 H/ u( A% M
.............信耶穌... ...

) J* F  k* _/ T" p) i. GRegarding the resurrection....
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: H, j7 X) k$ |Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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. U# ^/ H" w' O: eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.