Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. G  B3 T  L+ ^7 u4 H+ Q5 {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 \3 |  n. t$ h/ c9 A
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
, x) Y/ t6 o  i4 N0 G道理我知道好多只係做吳到' _0 d2 B/ {; h% O2 \% I8 B
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" P2 h1 l  V' _, S8 {Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 I1 y8 _) v) U, r$ ^8 Y5 b

5 K5 i2 K2 [& _( ]2 }Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' e1 V* b* e7 g5 ^: k( i9 n' `struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* L0 h- O* J1 {+ z. H2 F1 Z& B
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 v6 S3 f- b8 S; a: ?
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
6 q' q4 c' k4 C  I$ N2 Y7 Q真的!!這不是反話
, u# Z6 |( F4 [6 d* h因為我是情感比理性強的人" w' W/ O9 J& H6 y% o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 W1 G2 J' B- X, m1 k6 r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ ~% y- q& N3 p. H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ k* }# b7 m  i: @8 v! i: b" G
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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  I8 o9 G: {9 n5 bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - S8 b! v: T" X  v4 ~# A% V  d

+ [: h7 a2 m. u, H" DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 X7 |5 U% X" @

" v& K7 i4 ^5 y. O3 {Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
/ _* V* u; M2 Q% l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! ~  @% ~& c  \& r( U7 @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' p) p) g2 B/ K, I& T
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
9 i3 x  a% C9 i+ N5 Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! n; y# Q  M1 [3 x: I1 l$ iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 A7 t- R6 y- n, V$ Y7 Z  F只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," V! `0 W6 _  c' Z. q( i
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: I, r- `- d  `  y4 M這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- g0 s' n1 J5 z: N* N5 X: Q8 g
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 y/ `" r1 ?( s  }1 {' |) v而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ N% l6 H+ J, e5 H( k  Q

0 q1 \6 B8 |; Z, v) p9 W# z8 p導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
  N% q/ h- B9 |/ e9 ^" s好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 [& B! _# ^! c" B! U8 j2 F
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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% [; |# h2 S: p$ p, M% `% s8 Q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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/ b6 E: S2 K+ }& a以下是其他人的見解,& o' ]8 o/ e: [/ _
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* M, s/ t1 P4 F9 C
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  o! b% e* L0 z. r
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- N3 x8 m: F' ^5 @" c5 o1 X9 B

1 F6 d3 b& m% @% j不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ s/ T/ r7 _. U% r. J5 i9 X

) M* c. Z4 Q$ n* Q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
; k! s% g+ Z: J0 X" L.............信耶穌... ...

8 J2 Y( y* z, R# d* q- f7 {4 o: }Regarding the resurrection....) c  [; _$ V2 r, |- N+ K

! T6 E: j  g) m" Q) h5 qActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 X2 `  p! p% i( Z

* y' R; O/ @' PYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.