Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ [. Y: Y5 p8 q, i" o我係一個連自己都吳信的人
% @: j1 d: h/ y; t又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ I  @! Y% L+ v- K
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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( z4 \3 O, X) g: {' aNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ l5 D- \8 C6 {* M2 D' R
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 U8 R! M1 L4 ~4 a9 f5 v, r

3 v( f7 D& ]' C! H+ V0 {$ L" l8 S4 Lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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. ~2 t) J% U6 ]2 Cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, g1 p3 k" o8 F- [' L我只不過微小的基督徒...................
2 H- ]. j( A$ M7 \真的!!這不是反話
. O% M* W0 C6 ]$ ~# z  ~% H/ H0 ^因為我是情感比理性強的人
1 l" y- f% H8 _2 q所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 f  _* C  Q* j  H9 ]2 m: L3 I# [
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 o1 Z5 K7 W% k( Y6 e9 ?( _
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 Q( W. T/ Z$ ]
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( I' e" h' t$ o3 F7 I2 A建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?2 `  ]2 v8 C: m! z& C' T: ^9 u

' J  @8 S: F3 W1 [( HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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' U. L, o: @) E4 t6 P: A8 T( TI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  h: Q3 H' y4 ?2 F, c
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 U4 `0 Q7 u; J: Z  ^& ?, V- i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"( n- [3 u0 L/ b
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' C$ I' R0 [/ S0 D' H/ T+ d! T3 k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 W9 t9 p+ [& T7 i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 P! M5 T# {% R用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," w+ v9 u, U$ V' C6 c7 e5 W
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 C" w8 g/ w6 g- W如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" K5 o- h) ^) V1 b7 `; y+ Y7 z9 Y$ Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 m1 q0 E) t7 E) J5 S* x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& a& ^7 ~) T+ S8 P" U
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" j  b+ d/ u8 }1 v9 w* }3 @) [  E6 a一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ E& @0 N: Z5 R, E
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6 v9 ]8 ^/ N" G+ e吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 o; r, P& j* [: _信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( N9 }2 N& h* a, Z9 A+ [

0 E$ u6 z8 e# n6 m以下是其他人的見解,! K- _, R/ z3 j0 c" p  R/ C4 L- P4 b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 O' c7 g5 e" ~4 B* T
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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+ n7 m. m; V! r9 K; Z5 {* I不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! |, l( D- w5 `! N% p

1 Y0 H' p3 F- k6 V我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ ]+ }- L# g# N  G1 h
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 x  w1 h& H& K+ E.............信耶穌... ...

" g) `! y3 R9 k% U) v/ fRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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( r* Y& E1 Q- f& G0 aYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.