Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, E: F7 D8 @; @/ [% v) H我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 e) d0 |+ e' d3 @+ k又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; o) n* I' z% S% _Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 f" v; `. P- i/ S8 Z# E6 C

* p  K" v5 |# r5 ^8 i1 i2 dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ H0 a; S4 f* l. I9 k! W, Jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ E! z# h$ q0 r! E6 Q
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ Z6 V  ]" K/ T5 I
真的!!這不是反話
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& b$ B4 ~* z6 |! X; p  J" @所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 ?+ e; T& g9 T6 D
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 E  |$ U2 e- @5 W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 v' e, b" L0 q' H6 R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 _. ~! n+ ?( R- J: v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?5 R" _% y( O$ V+ h, B

( ^: q2 N/ M+ A( Q  \Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
- Q  ?( G1 F% z) P  g. d: f' d" R建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
9 A0 t4 B/ @+ N1 ?Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& |  ~+ K; W, @5 ]# C  Z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ Y! I7 |3 X1 J
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it's starting because we have sins......+ m3 H) _% R8 H' n. t, }4 v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* x7 o0 |9 D& C9 kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; N3 T3 W; u/ ^只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
( L4 L8 d/ \5 D* W: A用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 N1 E' r0 Z8 `' [; Y# V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 L4 V7 N( i" l) }% J如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: N6 f! Y. b; b* J  \" N而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 N" M! o3 _' c) A+ t: W) P導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
  C4 Y$ `; I" w6 U: B好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- o: {2 z: f+ m. ?2 h$ `
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* v% d2 O6 B+ D, {# w美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 \! J8 Q6 c8 Z' {! W5 j
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具" Y, I1 L3 z& `
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 x9 d% \3 N: _& w
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 [, \) P) P) t3 w5 Q, I

5 I3 i5 B# D( w. d以下是其他人的見解,
' ]% H# _) E) E看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  O7 h- ]  z8 z7 `! [8 v: Q  {, P
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 @: u6 [* C% O' Z7 T
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ b2 c. _" @$ F! w; i. I! X  K4 S
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 \7 y, @. w0 B( q! M1 V; {: ?.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....5 _6 j  k, N, P6 X2 T( _

" d3 K9 l* S5 `Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.