Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 p- x7 ]& S. o5 s( O0 ~  ~我係一個連自己都吳信的人
! H7 G% ^( q: [$ t$ Y: D& }9 u5 J又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. p0 y6 F3 \7 s0 c" Y. j道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 I. K, h7 N" _9 ~; o' r9 w  m呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' \7 g5 [# Y1 ^1 Z. yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 _' p0 B+ r8 @: j+ V+ C7 w

( L+ d( x; B1 b1 A" }Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ g. W, t( K7 a( o# ]& i4 e
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ T1 H! G" b: F# p  d* c
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ F+ s1 G# U9 g8 _2 O. ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( D+ B6 M7 t* y7 |' P9 k
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* R' c$ C/ G: e  j3 t
真的!!這不是反話, e4 j; I% q* R$ k8 _# W
因為我是情感比理性強的人0 S' g) ~% u3 s# D2 h. W
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 e, M9 }& w3 G: s' n以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' q2 T# D% B6 m: w5 K% ~# k2 T在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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9 U% b! ^1 P% B( K/ L) q. A) G  y3 T! }What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 u1 N& }: P: l- s' O% O  V) b4 [8 Y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., E# C9 l* b7 ^* f, x3 E
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 s$ A+ O; Z- f* M: T$ Z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ l+ Z4 k) W& Q+ [& ?/ l# h"不信也沒損失"" [9 l6 z1 ~' e# _7 w
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- v1 M' z$ d, T3 ~0 n/ q0 cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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/ q# ?+ ?! b0 A/ [4 U; iit's starting because we have sins......
3 c  w: t$ p) R5 G# Msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - @' R# L- k: |6 l6 T2 N0 g! D% ~
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 V% }) d) f' Z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 p& o* H! b0 ~( y; q% E
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; Q! E% |7 k5 g: V# a$ s
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- P0 F, G, G" ]- |, F4 n7 B' ?: E
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 ^1 [# c1 ^0 w  @* H- Q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 s. H! e$ Y2 ?9 c9 L
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 v2 L9 |- n" \! o
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 ~6 H% `* I6 |# L  U! G( N* B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 E& ]4 N9 ]+ d$ j* @. S) w
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 y( h1 V+ Q6 Y5 {* A
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( e! e1 r6 w; L( s' \' G4 x

6 ?0 b" s: R/ a, r; n' s( z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; h; k5 O3 R, J7 Q2 y  U7 o+ D信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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, ^( d; M1 v# y* z+ B以下是其他人的見解," }. b3 ]+ ~% r9 K( \
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 K4 t  N! z, l, z  l) m+ y/ g
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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5 Z4 l1 O9 X/ X7 `信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. d: n: _1 `2 b. f: z3 U' Q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& c4 c( C* F1 X. u" G. @

( G. P! [% V6 K. }* T我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. L% A; P' Y  n5 e* @, Q
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....# Q# ?# j( s2 C" K

" G+ G6 D4 i3 _- o  XActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 N* w, Q. O) n. J9 [/ _# a, j

0 E6 ?9 V/ G; R- M% T( NYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.