Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( h4 A) I2 z& ?4 T, w# @: u' h9 K
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
" j+ j0 L7 z' ^- [又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 `/ F: h" Y+ b2 e% C" s' |2 |9 m道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ l$ B; z' l, l, ?
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 }" Z7 M2 R9 G/ j" s9 f: t

  |7 h5 B+ i$ _; [4 [+ X0 V( iNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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+ Y7 |8 U6 w7 Bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ m% h2 }: H8 X1 e

1 y, r' Q* ?$ k: P2 Rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 Y  p$ R& @: l3 ?* c我只不過微小的基督徒...................& @- ]5 q6 I  `" |$ E" B7 {2 [- ]
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因為我是情感比理性強的人5 M! y. m2 ^+ c, x
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' R8 v4 \, F# Z3 _以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# Y+ w, c/ p3 y) ]1 L3 t$ r2 @
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 c: j! l3 [  `7 c' L0 s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?3 Q0 k! K2 ?, e# s" i) U

' ^4 A% t; g  s8 m* a8 P5 [, K% `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " O) F# ?2 c8 y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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% \- ?. ~9 \: O" xLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* c  C: a$ E5 V" ^6 L
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$ n$ |% i+ F; I( H2 W[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 \$ s5 w9 W5 t. E- y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
0 l2 r/ m0 E$ A% UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 h/ t- S5 t9 h4 q7 }4 ?" K5 y
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ N6 I. X; A3 q$ u8 U; z, [it's starting because we have sins......  J4 `( }- ^% }
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & M. ]' ?0 `2 e  Q+ K" W( n# Y. F
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") V7 J. q5 F; }- F- |" l- K
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: R0 }9 [5 t$ O7 e# H* M1 |
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 p* b  L  w" U而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- S9 m# p2 F+ t% ?) ]

( @! ~5 ^* k3 k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( ~7 V6 E  ^0 x2 E' C& M$ O1 A好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 Y# |/ U$ v* h! R: u
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) g& E8 x3 @! G% }, x8 j2 W7 J信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干# B5 X3 O4 j& g; c$ Z% o( D% W
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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4 v0 j( R- S6 k" S5 [[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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) r8 J1 |& q9 F( d# Y( e; q' p; g5 c不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 v) D4 |3 O! g% L3 j" z: z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% ^5 M+ P5 Q9 ~
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...." ~' w4 A! [6 {

. _6 i' W$ S# z9 {8 ^& e, vActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# X/ [% y( C0 t- q! Y% |
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.