Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" ]9 @) c5 i* M; y# h4 b
我係一個連自己都吳信的人) N& A' z* j# ?! T# b  n/ e
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( l# _9 F% j7 x+ G道理我知道好多只係做吳到; g' y  m( C  b4 C
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ R# g6 g: K6 ~$ U, F, T- M

+ T& m$ }, |. t3 a) vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 i2 A9 W6 g; J* q1 r2 a) I

8 o9 \, X/ V2 S1 m1 Tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 W- z! Z/ Y# X- c! H
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話6 e4 }7 y, O% }  P
因為我是情感比理性強的人2 E/ c8 q5 s! x. o1 l3 d0 [5 r
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 H# F7 z- X. l以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 g/ Q4 }* A& K' e$ [/ F5 n
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 @. B* {- s: q9 d  D$ F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?) f" F6 k) \8 C; W8 Q. Y, T
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( v7 x8 Z: p" n; B8 y' d

; \/ M; T0 K0 o( s% NI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; S/ W5 B, Q+ [5 @' r% G! {7 U
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! d6 z$ E* S7 P6 O. R, y
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  M- s1 U1 ^7 O6 w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ g) A7 v" p7 M/ T. K"不信也沒損失"" y, p; M0 [* \" c1 `
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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2 B, a% }3 q$ g. h) s( X) git's starting because we have sins......" S) R0 q6 Z# `& }1 }* Z! z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 W0 k. k: n% z! D% r, [/ k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 j) \2 A! w) N7 Z, z2 i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# |1 B$ G1 \0 U. R* A
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% v* Z' e( ?4 q& z' U這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 e  u& E$ t- M- D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 Z; X) E3 M! H$ }1 i) J
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! X. y: x& k' X7 w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 H( m) A( W" M. I; w5 D% p一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 }7 a% Q0 b( q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  M5 o, j! x! [$ [( K, m
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) I* d/ I: C8 X# ?) C% ?& _% I
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具) @$ j" b! ]+ A

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 {4 n( F# w5 ?) s2 m7 O& Y

5 A- x) n* s: _. O9 Q3 V! c以下是其他人的見解,
+ |' |% z7 ?5 D0 n8 X; Y# V' S看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 U) I5 D  {, d! L% I( X+ a
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 f: F0 o- i+ h$ y6 t

4 S4 }9 K) F# n7 {! W信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' s- I; m6 e  N0 d, R- ~  w
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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. c+ B1 n" c# s3 \Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.