Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 c! V$ y8 `! a, A- J, u) w
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 @4 k5 ?% ]$ i又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 Q: R0 f  Q, e. G道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  k' \1 P% }: I- n4 Z3 |$ t3 o: e

/ O7 H4 d% Y* C1 p  y- Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ t/ r. W- v6 W3 f$ Q+ O' C
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" I$ `2 L* H- P! N- Z
我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ R+ B+ P0 j2 U1 [+ e5 C* ~
真的!!這不是反話# |& n' D6 \& X$ S6 {
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 T  f9 \' f( b' h5 b/ l$ Q9 g以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ M, R3 j: e) Y8 {
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...* F9 Y7 [( C) j" T# x; x7 W1 z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! ?: `& H% e: }1 C+ Y" @, ^0 ]; _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" n% z# u1 d% H0 L, zWhat a statement we have here?, p. u6 m8 X6 b" p8 Q2 X$ @& D
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ M: [( E) I9 ]& c8 G& D
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) `7 K* O+ m6 B: q) K

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
. B; U% v' {6 N  C$ u8 k) ?6 ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! W6 t0 w" l& N- O5 A# A* M( ]"不信也沒損失"
. k: p% |% ^  ~Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 _1 k$ }6 R. ]5 A
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" S, o7 A" f' q$ k2 f; |, ]- {it's starting because we have sins......
$ A' r. I" r( S8 R  T( vsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ [* f( {. E1 ^4 o) n/ K" x# d% x
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 b6 S" @5 T4 s5 h. A" k
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& \" H7 z/ [5 ?/ }% m4 V2 t如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# A5 A6 S7 j1 E( n3 L  U# z7 p* i7 R而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ }+ h0 t. A6 x
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ u2 e- }8 E# M9 w( }

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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... d, ^% ^' I2 g. K, u: n8 b
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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4 m, S( `7 G. P4 h3 ~吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; ~- h7 x) W% \1 R3 I( N
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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3 ~! ~; I. m) B! i3 u: M1 Z6 l以下是其他人的見解,7 ]7 u$ c" @3 z! X! U
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  \1 U$ {6 r( ]) Q3 h7 G
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( U( X/ X6 `. u- M4 [

$ g4 ?' I1 o# o: i8 J信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. k8 T& e! j% G: u: ~" p( p
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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7 t  W3 c5 T# U4 y/ Q" X, m+ j我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% A% i- G- m0 @, j0 K9 G
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....3 ?6 b  ?) B# ?  q) D* @
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.