Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 W* t# s7 t6 h. Q9 ?5 [0 h
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- O% I/ u1 [# C$ o# ~
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 z$ W" I. O8 }2 F" m道理我知道好多只係做吳到- Y& s( F# T  w% q( H7 f& o
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 ]" L4 j4 y5 E; R

) J0 Y4 f7 B* Z9 KNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& w/ x9 o% y& d! E, D; X' q

: M- x* J$ Z& F, B; Emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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% g' c0 ^: J/ H9 c7 s) jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& T6 l  B" K; f1 R
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 O% g# Y/ R4 e7 y7 a9 j
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
6 \% v& O. o3 a8 Z" n真的!!這不是反話
8 ]) L' w# P* s6 Q) ~* K因為我是情感比理性強的人, t, f% W0 E2 B6 T2 j
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: b" [6 }1 N' }) k% U, }以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  w  B' A# U, n9 B% M* j3 T" z6 f  r在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  m6 J# |* W4 X  x$ ~
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# K' y0 O$ _. K$ X5 \, H! P$ q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?+ D/ p3 W+ A$ N! P# X( Y9 N
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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( @' Z. V9 z& Q) l3 f; q: r( H8 cLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& Q; U- `% o# d

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 n$ r8 ?  w0 r$ m3 F2 x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ S: Y$ k* |2 F"不信也沒損失"3 i, L8 T! S2 h
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 B3 Z7 z6 X( _
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
# X' Y$ _) C" _( rsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 O/ k8 N. S# F9 ]our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; X5 P- [( x2 h+ p5 ?4 P3 A
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ [9 U2 w, l# L, e而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ k; s: d0 z) u' W- ^* S6 T: _
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 }8 |. b/ W8 |. L" Q

; F* r2 @5 E/ L4 g$ Z; L一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 @$ {$ l$ Q0 I6 i9 Y$ G改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 T, K- t* T$ Y) c美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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9 K" l/ }5 n* w) H3 p宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具% y; A6 U. _; [! s4 u; }
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 p' m1 A' i' o
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,: H$ Y8 p8 N4 d3 I& ]! C0 c7 Q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 l% q) v! m2 _! B9 s* L
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; I+ Z2 Y9 E7 U5 c
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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# U7 r9 {0 e' N: e# c6 r" H& m不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: y% Z. @) R) p5 Z  f

1 [8 d0 y  n+ P5 p" b+ a. t同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 i) C  h; O7 [$ F: Q) Y" _. d
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) e- r4 X$ |* ?; _- d
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.