Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  N0 G4 E+ O- W4 [- I9 V" f( g" b我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 [  `( Z$ s/ V$ }+ \
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 M6 H9 T* i$ b% v4 |. m
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' ~- T  B, g% M5 f& ^9 q2 B% h9 p
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ c+ r/ h/ o9 t% ^0 b0 M; _& }2 U
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....2 p% y7 l, A0 P; X# y+ I
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" T( X/ i! O) R3 |# J
我只不過微小的基督徒.................... r0 |4 d5 ]3 Z" y  \
真的!!這不是反話' s9 i7 r& T0 H% r9 k. N+ T
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& W1 L/ Y* f; N; H( ]8 o以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" L' M) Y7 {9 s( n( q8 D5 g, O在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% s2 x2 t- l8 W2 g
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 |9 |# v% J  L' a# e建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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: f  w: L: y7 r( l5 @9 y0 n) \Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 r5 P# M0 y, i8 v! Q. q2 V: K
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! R( L/ O6 ?9 b! c# ^- r

' ^( E6 W$ s/ J& g" y& Z- s0 C3 wLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ _6 A" e; |3 G  w1 z, R, \) i. X6 p& d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; p1 n7 [9 E9 h' o8 n0 ]' ]8 M, m
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it's starting because we have sins......! S. S  I) z- R' D5 @! S
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ; ]6 s# ~% C% p' a) p7 c
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& B. q! B+ O7 _) _4 Q* G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ v- q1 [0 h" E* n( K  F  ~0 N
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) B" y/ V5 R0 g3 K% b6 X! ]) j這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 F8 t7 K- o1 A' A, N2 p/ B; P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! l5 w  P/ e% b3 U  G0 ~而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) ]1 |% ]1 h/ U/ ^# m

$ {# x4 w$ s1 L: x! S導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& o9 \0 I, H: @6 m; ~7 W好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ P. t- o7 s+ z6 k* o! r

' }* l  j+ I: H+ T- p一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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7 b, U# v; W: ~3 R0 \美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具- K0 C/ ^1 a/ t$ m

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9 O4 x1 ~) Z1 M以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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& L9 Q7 m( n! C' Y: D. u信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: M0 J( J6 x2 O. v& w1 ~

# ~! e+ n+ I+ j5 h; t9 \$ p不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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( L3 o3 o' w7 g. Y! A6 U- W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 j4 O/ `; d) o7 _
.............信耶穌... ...

4 z8 G. X* W$ L' B% D  D1 uRegarding the resurrection....
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# N' _+ p( [3 D$ M) T5 zActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.