Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
2 L  L# [6 C. J我係一個連自己都吳信的人: U0 B. v' l% o- c+ ^7 P
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
# q! J9 N3 a* M6 d; N道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( z: P' h9 l( N/ V: E呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) F1 s5 l' Z8 |; l9 w5 PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! i' V8 N) ~6 G5 E3 T  \5 ]' l
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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) _' k8 L  v2 c6 X: rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 a5 N) y5 [! N: ]: Ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 T2 W1 B' n4 `) @6 W- K我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 T, Y. A: m7 R0 d
真的!!這不是反話& u5 L$ V3 x- c
因為我是情感比理性強的人2 Q2 ^1 f/ `) Y' Q7 v" b6 J% W) A
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 G: l5 ^3 ?4 c4 U! I/ b以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 w+ m% y' V# K1 b8 p8 V在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 w9 l  g) e, W' u2 W- m8 m" L0 q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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, ^, T- X- ^, ?2 SJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& x/ Z8 I0 s. ~7 X8 hI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 E/ @! X/ I$ Y* [( b$ j
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ a# o$ k6 f6 j; w. ]

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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5 I: s& C, U* |3 h"不信也沒損失"3 x0 y( @; @* V9 E
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ z  t& t; b# T. I( @8 u9 u
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 x  `6 I  y  L6 O8 ~/ q
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it's starting because we have sins......
7 J4 B) ]# @3 c5 H8 g9 s4 D* o( hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( d( C( s8 z! _: G1 R
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 ]6 j+ f, N* S4 J' _% Y# G6 c這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& O5 @$ [- S7 z" s  }
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 X5 H  U6 O* f; c- y6 [1 E
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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  m3 Y2 [- _1 ^# R# b導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! I/ c0 o3 v( X! q9 r3 l* [
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" K7 f  n2 L* i% \4 F# W( @9 X一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
* E6 u1 O/ }. _. @& ~" c3 I4 j$ G+ F$ q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 m- G& j4 d4 e9 x美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) i7 ~5 Q/ M- [. `3 r5 o+ l4 B5 G
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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$ C6 A( K1 k  g- C/ i! y( [  H+ ^以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  w; s$ b9 u$ M5 k# [7 k8 `

2 h, L7 g7 Z+ a( f9 q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ L: L9 b. \9 p1 s

- K. c. R- [8 X3 A) ~7 q4 h不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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% t# n2 r  P: Q# y. |我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 r; r7 W5 i) y: ]3 I" K

$ S6 A' u8 B1 y8 j) y# x同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 d! N: f" b! u) J6 O$ F.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....' ~2 H$ h: c+ S
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 K" _; y( Z' {# _

- ?1 o9 z6 H+ @- _( h6 A+ MYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.