Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; g, [) g1 K( t+ S" w# K  C我係一個連自己都吳信的人
! R% g( }( e, |又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 y" c$ I- e* g& l  p; T3 O. N道理我知道好多只係做吳到- a  w% E9 r) f' J" x3 E7 G. S
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 z. a2 k: H8 U8 O) U1 Z5 }
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 G. K/ P7 ~' A3 P  t* bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 W) q* }8 S& T6 N) o
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 B7 V4 _8 D, e% c
真的!!這不是反話
% P1 h1 J7 A% q因為我是情感比理性強的人7 z* y: M& l4 t" F  w: L
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' Y9 g! W( N/ J; q1 P& J7 @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& G- E0 F1 w6 ]7 E4 U
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" ]% X. L7 V( }7 @6 a) ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?* y! D/ x0 c% N! v/ P4 J( s
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / q& @$ s/ f' @7 K: d, m

5 H2 L  y" W  L6 x0 l7 F7 k9 I; ]I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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+ {! \& F8 W# fLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"# ~. j  s8 V. o* `. D
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) |( e- q0 {$ a2 b& u9 Y, Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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' U/ N0 C7 m' d) K- s7 rit's starting because we have sins......
5 B- h. k5 H8 p5 m) G4 Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 b& y- |) }2 l0 G( J- K
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") f) I: s3 K" `2 v+ v
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! z$ F/ s% ~5 C: {用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: g( [2 s( ^* T* [! Z7 Z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 N4 s" f# V" g% F
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, @2 \& o: L! f! D& b/ C. |+ g
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  V: j0 u0 h5 C+ ~9 I2 d( u  d/ M' ~
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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2 d$ V/ ?9 ]% g7 C( B: k  u' N一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
; e  `" D& J. Q' l改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ V& Z" Z" H) |3 x- u, _
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# Y- C8 Y( s& O) _# ]$ n, l8 y

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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. G; n& Z3 O3 R0 ?0 \+ R1 ~信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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9 T& D% p. z+ t' F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ R& p* l/ N8 `4 x6 B! ], ]5 x( p1 @/ r
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 L& D  ~" {; A* Q) j% P6 M8 C
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 i# v4 w+ Z/ R" ~8 ?# W. Z
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....; w4 A8 C0 X# \9 \2 m6 S
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." g% U* o* B7 }( u# \( h5 y
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.