Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" E% x; [6 N* Y! c我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 Z' N- y, I" m& L又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' k! F& F* Y2 H$ O) U8 ^9 N
道理我知道好多只係做吳到. n8 Z# K9 a4 _3 `
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# |9 Z4 p+ c' J" ]- ?  M( }8 {1 ^Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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* N6 T: _. o% xNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 u7 A  h6 t- l0 T. X

- U0 G! m) [1 ]- e! pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
& u, [1 y& x1 |' z6 Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ v% C3 A/ M) o8 V, d
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% J" N$ P, c. r+ ^7 V9 G
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. o( K) i! ~2 |8 w7 |3 z6 ]5 v在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., k- ]9 ]: W( d- B
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
0 P3 X2 L* a6 ~! i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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4 r$ S1 z* d! p+ y1 e0 Q3 X: v' \I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ x0 q% X7 m% b! l# s2 `8 o7 S

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 ^( H+ s/ T  r5 ~; T3 S建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ y$ D# I8 @% v8 C( ?) o  t"不信也沒損失"
7 N( G* Y: |7 K0 K  rYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 u% `  B' x$ d! U8 \+ [! c$ T; nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 u( f. ^0 @# E" e
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it's starting because we have sins......# @; d! P+ K6 t# s7 f6 h
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : B7 W; Z& {' T. j6 {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" t' C! d0 c) N- @' q0 ?% S2 A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 i* @( x5 S" P0 ]" U! Q& q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: w$ ]7 O( H. t9 V  {; Y$ f
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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. I# L6 I9 p* C% T1 ~導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 X. P" s4 a( C" [& E" u; g9 D' a
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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2 N$ \, M6 S, H+ S7 p一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# ^1 ~) W0 [9 {* E9 n! S, O
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法2 s5 l! w; T: I& Q* }: _
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! f' a6 J6 J8 j  ~" r
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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9 [* n+ U9 I' q- T吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  Q, l7 L+ [8 w
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 U8 @4 [& D  J$ z1 k$ I0 [

' E' z: V/ I; w& N以下是其他人的見解,' A; @$ M+ a$ y% J, V6 f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 M) K4 ^4 u8 W. [+ ~& Z+ m
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm( c  y5 h$ x3 @" b# W

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* g0 e7 K" V3 N; Q
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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; i4 \7 T0 \( j不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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5 f& [, W) t4 \5 _8 D! H6 X; `5 s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( d4 f2 a- Q1 D/ o  l1 F同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ z/ B8 i7 j0 g: z& c6 u; B.............信耶穌... ...

9 C' X6 H' R: ]Regarding the resurrection....3 G( |6 s: b& r* i5 N- s
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.