Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. A, J( N. t. }" D
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  `2 L2 V4 A/ u
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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% `( y4 |5 g% q# HNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% Y0 N6 X* x, `; n2 a, j0 ]$ R( R

; W* D, s. f# [$ j; q( |) E& e9 yNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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+ b5 E  \5 s, o& u  {) O+ vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- l# [6 [3 s  Z& X# K  P
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 O/ \8 k& V' f
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人) B8 h5 o: g; L% j( |- _) S* q0 X
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# Y% O; l; @' U# t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 T$ L- R) Z3 L. ^' D7 V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. N; H" |" L) D6 R  v& JWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 J* f! z9 L6 s4 \- }  DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ R3 o4 W7 ?  y( M8 E$ q% [& m

* }; x1 H1 y; f5 d$ vLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- g1 U2 B; O1 j5 `
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 K7 v' z6 H, F8 u. ~; g! d8 x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# y5 g& U8 o, z! q6 A, a  N
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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# q9 }) q/ i/ b; j4 q2 v  i6 dit's starting because we have sins......  H# M* s. p7 K) K
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! r" `- y; G( t3 f# _9 J% x' K
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 S" N6 T7 S5 j9 j/ v7 D! k7 V只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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6 K: Z, |7 P. ^0 i這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 a* V  ^5 v' T4 S0 }( |如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: O/ C9 A* u9 C, O5 o: n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% J9 Y2 s( @+ f3 {; K
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 z# a7 T/ Y1 J$ L好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 R! Y- k3 [& O9 x
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 z3 e, u6 O8 a) q% v0 _
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- Q5 c) _" u% t5 V/ |2 n$ C
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 K) Z2 ^5 f* E" R* x

  z8 H, |" q9 z6 X- Q* g8 q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ A! q+ d& ]$ j3 V

5 i. z% L: d2 _) a  E% {# I我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 ?0 k9 s. V- @. X- h  r.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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2 F- Y$ ]1 |( X3 WYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.