Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 J: y3 ~. N% n; l, w道理我知道好多只係做吳到
& K0 r" J' q8 M* _呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  u9 s9 o4 I* M& K  \# _* U& ^7 N

- ]  J9 t7 s8 FNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* |( Z" J7 G& H1 q% o$ K; _3 z
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& G% U1 M, r' a4 i; Q2 k
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" e# H2 u5 M1 Y# G7 L7 Z4 d我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ C* l- y- L* B, g  g$ I
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 n7 i- o& n# a3 Z8 R% b以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; Y$ h+ c3 y& h/ Y7 S+ S3 m在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
' S2 R! I( Y4 p( B) C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! \. C9 ]% C2 TWhat a statement we have here?% J0 T6 h( I( B) S5 Z  l- {0 A
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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: \, \- p) v- y8 S' g; E2 MI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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' l3 w/ O5 T: M- dLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& Y) V. j% D0 z; l3 x3 `# y* `

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"1 g4 {& }! ~1 t1 X/ ?" b4 y3 g9 a2 F
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 E+ a0 x2 c0 i$ h% E! ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 K" H. t/ {: d% [) k
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 F- A; o8 I& p4 r: l8 o( k只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ z9 u9 x% Z+ [! A用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, T( \+ L( Q5 |9 t( M$ T" f! W9 N0 ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# [+ P* _% X: T3 e# t! A如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; r4 H4 @/ S4 v4 h/ e
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 z. K  j* Y2 M8 X* A
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 P$ ?* c' G9 \好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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  u) H( Z/ ~9 ^; i" e4 [一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 s- e2 i0 M" @2 m' v. @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ s5 e5 K! P; ?  X
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 r) a3 J7 m( E5 ^

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 i# s$ t4 k3 ?! f* _5 `
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,9 q, ?$ Y  X6 B4 o! Q$ B1 W9 b: \
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 _+ v: U; s+ E- t5 H( R. u5 M
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 w  u' X/ j- Z3 \
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( f, v5 l& ]( G% ^1 F
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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7 Q7 P+ H3 g# [& e0 B我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....! b9 f* b8 W# N# T$ q

  ?- u: E8 x/ x. [) N2 Q; S! \Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' T9 T$ J. c. c" A  f4 }: `5 P3 [

8 I. k/ @# L% SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.