Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( _& L) W1 U+ |5 m1 a$ V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 o4 B9 x: L) t# A, d# J
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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3 Q5 K% T! [0 b+ c, i( |呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- Y& g1 K/ {# g3 FNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." N: T; F) T* u( [* J/ K; ^
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....3 ]; |3 l- Z" F2 F
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 e1 }; _3 B& W3 k; O我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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1 K8 S$ U9 Z5 P& d& {6 f因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 v& M3 n9 C! Y5 q9 V& n& F以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 z4 \7 }. E# v  u: i/ ?0 P
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. n. G' i5 p* V: ~6 J' F) C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ j) R& G6 l2 L/ `+ rWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 `4 W; F: a* A. ~9 I6 u( B0 X- S7 X
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 e, v, N7 |8 J5 Y8 b
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% ]0 E0 g! c3 ?( ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"" V8 g1 {+ e/ V$ J! b; n: f2 G1 `, X
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! @8 _+ J, y9 S" C* N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( p4 n& f! V, ?9 Q; N

; {/ A0 V4 f) K2 Qit's starting because we have sins......
; ~+ H, M, }1 q$ w, Csatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 h1 G) n1 c! p7 I& ^, ~& O
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". x' A; H" a9 ^, P. z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 b& y! k, v0 q. k  Y+ P
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為," \, A) g3 \( @: E, [
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 O" w1 H5 T$ o' c3 P) V) I如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! k0 z8 M: Y  a' S9 }' v" ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 l. t/ k8 g3 h( k% U好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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% b) H! o' W% w" @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 n! O. m+ w( }/ F( H) V& U" i
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- O( @: e2 V7 n+ ?& Y3 M
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 x* k4 r# L4 W
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: }) S& u: }6 \. X4 _- }4 [

% a2 }) ^) V6 g# V  N1 E吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 M$ M0 l0 }9 Z9 z& q$ Z" w1 Z& l
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 V1 _6 }3 B! ~& x& I
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以下是其他人的見解,( z1 h, V% ?& X1 [8 `4 z' V; ^
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( G3 o( |3 ?% G; J* V6 r! }! Y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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- N$ n3 t: e) y- h* k' e信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  n6 ^: x/ T; C; ^  h2 S9 F5 X

! z, [: B+ n. c0 j4 M/ q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 d4 h3 j5 \# O3 @- G% n

5 o# ]: G# c! q: A+ Q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 h* u- v) ~4 @: [: V) ~

& R% W1 T% T$ X同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 P. f6 R2 `* S( g
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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6 c* m( F+ m9 C2 N  x& I2 DActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 g' V3 |. i; f) [
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.