Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! |0 R# z7 @" {+ Z; Z5 y
我係一個連自己都吳信的人" E6 [' ?$ l9 h7 I8 ?% @" l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- r) S" V% }( Y6 w9 t道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, J2 z* c+ ?5 F& d: {" A呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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- k9 ~4 ]4 Z3 V) F. C) |) K3 X# p- astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... r+ r: |* {. F, @$ ]
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 e) ?0 O& h0 z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 D+ K. M8 J; A& MWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 @/ _2 u5 K. ^

+ }3 i! a& X. v- g% _Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 s% l, a2 f, L4 X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 d1 `2 z( H$ D( I& \: c6 k"不信也沒損失"
' l2 l- p+ m6 D. U! I! b4 z* MYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 F# w1 r% h, ]+ R) ?. ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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6 B0 ~1 `8 ?3 Vit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; [$ \; V6 K) U% I9 Z. U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- q9 M0 G# C' A5 B8 K
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 g; a, s) f" s. ~& T1 `* H而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, v" N' ^0 D! b
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 f' a* f3 G7 i  w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  H- B2 M1 y; a0 C* r: B! v" v: t7 k
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: n- h2 \4 o. h0 i
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. j& |$ z+ J0 @, r+ @
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  d% y9 z+ W$ C6 v: D: k( o

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 t  n2 r( W3 Y$ S7 R3 s7 p8 u
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& n5 C: z2 e0 y. i( |, I( x
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 X; N/ c) _3 P3 P

7 _8 A  j! E; ~! e# [2 p, a3 ^不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 D4 W. T  P9 e/ o) f
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) t. H8 n9 b# J# s
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" [; Y1 q3 W, W' r$ j) c/ B0 z.............信耶穌... ...

. c2 `# x- \" uRegarding the resurrection....
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# S# X, |/ R( w  Y5 J+ UActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' U# I; b  r, v6 S: H3 k& I
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.