Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* o  _  l4 ]$ C, V! g7 i我係一個連自己都吳信的人( N/ t0 V7 E7 L6 R4 }$ E) C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; \$ z( `% @7 }3 V+ ^/ W; K
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
+ y5 n% b! f/ Z- ]呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) I( h" p+ R3 O) E! ]3 sNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( r. ~0 H3 u$ f( L/ _) I
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( _' z, F+ i9 \( _6 l  Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 ^4 B2 o& b$ w我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人, U7 y' ^1 _8 K( {* p
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ X; h' H3 {7 F: X! K以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% @8 ?+ s% o& v. F/ e5 \4 U
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( s/ B3 P5 K+ I5 N) M! C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?( x) M' j3 U% v7 m" k* O

% |! L( s# x1 W5 D5 IJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& f6 N  W* v) J1 R' k  W% u4 ^I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 g# F$ k0 {/ z- Z7 h7 a' k8 y" v6 }# p
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* z( I" T: k% m# ^1 G- E" K* }1 i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"( m* r- u$ Z8 Z9 p
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& M3 r7 I0 b: i" Pbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 _; y% `. H5 }( ~5 f$ `& @" [8 a

3 a( q7 @5 X# c4 ~, S/ X& nit's starting because we have sins......$ C6 g2 r* J0 h9 T* u
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ M) Y* w2 ~% Dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
- o9 a; B0 b$ G5 M0 ]只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# a& s# v7 B- F6 z. z# \5 W& u; }& T
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ s( R% X  T- G: E
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 L% z* A0 f( W7 L6 F8 D1 ^% V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# w8 O+ \  ]% _+ U: Q6 |
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ j5 X. s# d: i+ x* o: Z# J好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* K* t. M' W: T
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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, h. [2 ^! F4 m美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...; D1 w& O, K0 X  I

% O1 p. E7 R0 F7 `! {: w8 w宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具% h$ C+ t3 v4 V- i
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* ^* z( o( @  z2 t' U
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,2 n  b0 d! x( w+ ?4 ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 H" s" n$ R" k
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- E6 i3 Q0 Z6 t6 I: k
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  D  A9 ]8 d7 U7 H2 o* Z5 V: |
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- I9 {8 [( z0 y' }4 U8 i1 t

: w: m/ f1 ^# }* g) A. k0 l3 d) z& C7 s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 Q1 f3 k7 l9 O, T. A3 E.............信耶穌... ...

1 ^; e0 k3 O  `+ O5 TRegarding the resurrection....
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: K% N6 A2 X5 E+ x' WActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  b& D5 C5 M9 ?1 d, F9 `: D
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.