Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( A  H4 W$ `: N
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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2 ?  s& [( N9 p' M+ @Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ [0 Y2 ?! L, n+ f6 H/ h

$ {2 k5 t" J& J" {/ imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; f* D: M2 u# H

) W2 [7 ]0 N, Q, K- i! {  `struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: `' _, i3 D$ p5 Z, y1 D5 u
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 @. z& x8 A& B( u
我只不過微小的基督徒...................! m% h; B7 {8 W6 b
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," Z$ p0 M5 `( a4 R/ n7 u7 h) n4 e. C
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
- a6 ~, E( P! t2 [) l" x在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 J- v* x5 {0 c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?1 c. c+ W. `, v: z- |% |" f
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - x' Y3 c- I; c, ^& a  g

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; \" z' d! S0 B2 @# a: D( }Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" r$ ?( ?. A. e4 z
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# w" b  R/ \' p0 g- I2 f& i, G/ Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 t; ^) A' H" G( g9 U7 H% D"不信也沒損失"
( A; h/ f  f4 c) FYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- o' O2 v  A/ y; O" a" l
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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) o4 s) ^2 ]" f+ b+ Bit's starting because we have sins......
6 v7 }3 _, r/ x( R5 w) K+ fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 Z! Z+ ~! ?0 {! `
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) ?# N# `: L. U# h' b7 o( E
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,0 V$ r7 v0 F$ w7 o% q8 Z8 @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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" m9 [0 E& l: _' a* @1 A) f3 C導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 i# E+ {4 Q) \8 ^
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' {9 \& i+ y- n/ a" ?
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 n4 j$ Z: R1 |& [
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 T+ P5 X( M1 E9 ?& z2 R
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& \: }# |! D( P$ Z( e- {/ c. V! S

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7 z# s7 |  H4 D& ^# c1 m# p信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 @# |) C1 N! Q/ F! O+ ]9 E
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以下是其他人的見解,( }% o6 T1 H" _1 {* H! S# N. }& {# t8 P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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. o5 W# j" U1 s& S8 ~9 F我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: ^) c% b" e+ h
.............信耶穌... ...

$ k1 A! q6 B7 g1 U0 [1 h( w" {4 URegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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1 i- R3 I2 F: W3 k' m- mYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.