Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' \/ ~! v: _" n; O
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到( J; F3 `6 E4 |% }; _( i
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  l1 G2 w0 Y8 J  d! M( ^Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ ?$ |% f0 Z8 K5 ]* ~1 ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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' ]" E4 z3 X% _mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ y+ b- v' H2 w4 o7 _5 G2 Kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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+ C* m! [, I" i% I真的!!這不是反話
- n$ `0 f. i0 J因為我是情感比理性強的人1 R% w1 h7 C) e- G6 r6 x! `
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
2 @* }3 ^% b* H以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 i! L+ q% Q, b# ^在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# r2 [9 G, y; H3 E. `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" B: P1 C$ ]  U4 G" UWhat a statement we have here?4 H3 \6 }) d: D  W  o
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( |3 q- c7 H6 m! S% w
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! R' v, P; P# ?  \" A
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 k6 Z5 W5 q& v9 o& p' \; }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 S- f; B5 H5 |: d2 e. g2 U9 a"不信也沒損失"
: F8 y" I+ z: [2 IYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) b) d: |! `2 s! t3 G4 A& h
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) e' I8 t! M2 w3 r- N- H% s

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8 z' @2 `- Y, B. fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & a" p. ^7 D: y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
' |/ s" b# K) E. U% b! X2 A4 F. c只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' y' q/ n( B4 a5 {5 ?用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 Q( I6 J3 o4 ]4 c+ z9 Y
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! l% v" p, a! z3 l9 O+ E如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,! H2 K3 x; ^' u2 q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 b  @$ r2 B8 ^5 Y% W9 c' Z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 M2 ~9 x; n: a' i好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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8 x4 ~1 L7 i- H% }8 m1 Q3 }一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 m& ~7 L% l3 P  G6 p
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; D4 j' X5 ?, g' T美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, p0 i9 q* [$ w' s% a/ u& v
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' y! ^1 w& I9 A; G

) b6 j) r+ _! l) V: v( H3 N! |以下是其他人的見解,
- c0 Q4 q% j/ ]& [: \+ W看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 A( I) Q' q& e* t2 Z0 ~6 W. v
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 ^  k+ _1 b$ Y5 T, e5 z! w8 t
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: |3 v$ B9 N# U. b- }1 _" J

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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.