Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" D! }+ @/ K6 R2 X8 x我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 ~" g; S5 o; o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 B  e" ?; [- l8 n- M道理我知道好多只係做吳到
) {5 N1 D) j/ E, T! m呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: o$ Z6 z( ?4 U! q, M
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 \) [* m! c* R2 Ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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, y' D# B& K1 p% {1 v  [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- M# U) B; m/ l5 w$ x+ t
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 d) U+ [; Z% G2 D1 b+ g3 o/ Z3 `
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人/ P7 J) q) l. T4 B! G: `
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ V9 y0 H+ d* b& e$ J! F
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! s0 U' W; z/ G# o# c- q  M
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 f" o5 w: z9 e0 M  ?
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" {( ^7 ]2 @- s! O# ]2 ^( g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( J) k  h9 S. s2 r8 ~What a statement we have here?2 d* [% o2 P: j% v/ S* Z8 {4 e

' f* I* m2 C0 S7 I+ K; o2 [% }Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % S/ ]$ S" m) |/ l4 Y2 P

; W/ O8 h: h' h6 d2 z; o3 H7 QI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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7 [+ K7 c0 J" ^. FLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( A& l* f  P* X
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ B, r8 b  u, A: T- d- i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
' o0 k5 D5 ^: _, B# s  }Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) ]) k7 E8 B% R: y
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
( k+ y4 I. I& q: Wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 o  J% E- t- M/ ?
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& M- l) u' O) a& n8 }' @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,( t7 x: c: O6 f2 G  A
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( q8 p$ F! U1 A6 t! R, b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 G/ w/ o: j! d# y4 v
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ c8 h2 T7 W: Y- |1 j& H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( v& D' n8 B* N2 s

. v/ V9 \! }5 h. r( J& g導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 M8 U' m( X+ Y9 e' K1 U  ?2 r3 O3 U好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  J5 F$ S8 Y3 L- f" P7 x

) A5 `; i0 f; U# M( y* D% Y3 ]7 G' _一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# @4 I% |/ d" I9 g改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 ~' W) ~% ]6 ^' C" ?美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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% k0 B% r/ {2 C! A  w吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; `  c( O2 r7 n' ]" g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 I- t: u# p0 |1 L
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm  P( ?2 P3 r, L/ w
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 W  v/ r6 H8 m( V. W* q) @6 \

+ ?$ p# ?% t7 P% V4 I4 Y1 u% n不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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! e4 m& w. j* ^我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ q9 X6 H. \, e3 Q3 @: [
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 h0 @5 w: ]' I( h
.............信耶穌... ...

& B: ^/ j* H) A" `8 rRegarding the resurrection....! m8 j: c# Y) R6 z

: Z6 {1 q3 S9 e5 @Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 y% }. D- t- b" V1 |7 N/ q

% s, |, d/ h) |You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.