Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 A7 d4 @1 q6 p" b+ Y我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 B8 r! m/ [- f3 b, e( }6 C又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢! U: `# j# L6 }
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' C$ ^; z- ?" ]0 s, O0 k
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" f) [  [# ?0 g* N. {0 n7 ]
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 f8 b4 E% d8 H! P& P

9 `; B3 [* r" W& Q! q0 _mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 Q2 p: ~) S& q% B. m6 @3 B, U  Ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( r8 o; I5 k% t9 t
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人0 Z7 M3 h8 J5 W: m3 v
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ K% T1 x5 ?- M# I# K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 O9 ~* o5 G6 D9 `! u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  Y+ P8 R! Q5 h
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" U; e& V! W* o) V+ C% r: {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- K: e$ K/ {3 p* iI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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. k8 u. X, c4 `: _% c% K, W, fLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
! \/ f! W8 f& W& \1 H+ n# Y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, q* k, U0 @. S7 _1 E& g1 I  g"不信也沒損失"
) r2 Q! j5 e4 Q' u3 W  fYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- ^2 ]6 f, F  n0 Q; @7 {9 H" V1 v/ ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! y  V" u; \/ M$ o
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it's starting because we have sins....../ g1 {* S5 w% u5 e" d4 Q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . Q( a+ k( U; K% P6 @% u3 _
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& E. c  u( ]4 n+ ~$ E
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, e$ x+ ^# e1 E* G+ Q5 v) K, m
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 w4 L' m6 [' a" c3 O( \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 k- v( }$ `9 Q- a# P如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; }" x5 W8 d$ A1 i5 m* Z: K
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! h' N; z1 K1 M. s5 Q
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 _( t1 n/ m3 c好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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$ k' v3 l6 A: `. X一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
0 |4 }" U% W6 I1 h0 D! B. I) m% K. e. D& D改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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$ {  ~5 A- Z7 j宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 x  Y+ X8 k) E2 U3 O信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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' B, _, b* a: |7 R& K以下是其他人的見解,
# q2 p- h- m! a- C看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& l/ `/ P  |  o: s% d

6 m+ N& ]& t: y0 G- }- `! A信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ P. X- c. V+ P3 p. @

- s5 I8 M) s9 ?! I/ s/ A5 d不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) q" N: J. p6 P$ R/ d" }& O

3 o8 w# m) t- P$ y5 V; T# b& B我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ `! e; j4 g& T+ m
.............信耶穌... ...

/ ?2 H& c8 ]% I% ^Regarding the resurrection....& _* O# \$ e' A, U6 }
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 U8 w; t% x) p+ E$ s, m$ o
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.