Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ {) {# A9 C5 M" s9 I我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 r# ?. g2 O" E8 f( }. l" ^又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( V! x" e8 w  t; A; W道理我知道好多只係做吳到
3 Y) R2 O! c. G5 X( ?呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ T$ i4 o1 H5 U& o9 V! xNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 ^# X; P/ g* [5 O7 q3 {* [

( R2 Q, |7 ?# h8 Z3 Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: X( i0 M6 |' p$ W* b

$ \! w) z7 L- z1 `# f: X1 n- Wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" n5 w, V5 U" v( Z& Jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 [9 D" Q" @) Q9 d, q* H
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
$ \1 g, `$ ]% x& M! V' ^真的!!這不是反話
$ u" ?4 y2 \$ O; F因為我是情感比理性強的人
: _  x( h( j0 }- u( e( y* I所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 y$ {# A* Z6 c/ j以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; [  @: [! M8 z' L  r
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% m- K- e; H$ Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?. T- {, r/ m" i

$ W# I$ Y! M* c8 {Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 e. @" j$ x) Y) ~2 g7 [9 Q( i% t

8 m3 S$ C! k& J9 B* YI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ ?  z# i5 d. m+ c  j3 G5 n
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) s9 e; ~' J2 q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" c3 X! L& u! k  w4 c9 N$ k"不信也沒損失"9 H4 h3 H, l" R8 _5 d' |: ~
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., m% t% h1 a8 }6 X
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% S9 ]( e8 I' K3 F' f$ O  x

/ S! s8 N1 c0 `% kit's starting because we have sins......
) F: P7 |. i( L- S! \) qsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: R8 l) K3 F# t% m: z& cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
( s* R. P1 w! E; L. F2 s7 X5 R只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ F, R1 ?$ u/ x9 C: W
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, ^) ~+ R& c7 P3 Q2 G7 E5 ?- h
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 R  y; u3 K: i/ z- O
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  V1 s: S. T' ^! c0 m
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ x& V- C- d: f9 z

% G/ L$ I& ^# A! `( Y; M7 q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ \+ r: E8 S& `9 r好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 a* T1 w  b, K
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; k4 L+ V4 p, j9 ?0 G; k5 @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ j+ ^, f5 y0 T2 s, r. L
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具  h' H1 h7 N. ~! K
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 F/ B8 a0 J# _& l  U3 W: z, {- H信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
( B2 R' ]8 H0 ^) x- u: c+ W看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* C- m" [0 o1 |0 A" I
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! U! |; G/ R# [' C, v' `; E) w
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: u) g8 M  g; I* Y" J1 W! S

% ?4 h. n- ?2 q  j9 Y/ V同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 n; e; s! P8 ]( M.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..... G/ g1 \( B4 V3 @* i
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 m6 |0 @; {$ o& n* ?% Q$ P$ u

' _( ~9 `" r. X4 K0 AYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.