Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, X- p) {6 a4 K8 v, ^
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
6 u1 @( {: b3 A" [+ ]/ i呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" e. u. n5 s) S) X! Y; XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( y. H/ |9 e$ m9 b) a/ r7 i

' m" ]& P/ r" U/ CNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." t+ O% B1 Z8 I' m9 s) u, w

5 z& I  u7 K3 u+ q4 W; P. Q. Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 ~* v' X5 E$ ]4 @
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) |2 W5 v7 [% Q+ C' {4 a- ~- z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ h8 k$ t" P! h2 d4 J0 ]
真的!!這不是反話
/ Y9 i- m' A8 P" }* b因為我是情感比理性強的人
& }9 ?0 _( G6 U, F# ^所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& M4 d5 ^/ X% r) G4 y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- `9 @# d! v1 q7 H+ r' ]# P
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?0 M: l# U; w. n3 }5 S, d

  X" S) {1 d6 F+ A) I8 u$ Z* |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; S" ~! F0 O' f, a

  i" l4 U5 B- H/ v% e9 D; x# y) EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., {( n1 a: D* D3 E  e0 a
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 d$ x+ u2 B0 _( g& @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 J3 s  u( @2 R8 b& n; H+ q"不信也沒損失"
# u2 _. T# f" h: HYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 Z* s  p+ C  a4 L8 z0 f: s5 k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......; E: r7 c. ?4 c3 L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   h8 y3 O- i' R4 e
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 Q7 I7 Z! n4 B; |/ C2 W
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
' [/ N2 n) E" }0 _, l用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 V, ^' J. \. u" C這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 ~$ E' \+ C7 D0 X如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 g% M3 }0 v2 P9 l7 Z; ^' u5 O
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" G- A: a# s9 Z6 y0 G: H3 K

, S$ r! f1 q. m導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 V3 v- k; ]) \3 R) ?好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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2 o2 {! w; E7 C! w一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  Q, I. m% S3 r9 K5 B/ t改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. m5 _, S5 j: k* s& ]
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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$ {& r3 E# X7 L宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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, y& ~: @9 ~9 w( D3 l信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 G2 D0 `& C5 _  E: P6 F5 I6 `

  G/ a, Z5 \. O( n' _我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; M4 H5 w2 L+ A
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.