Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: Q$ m/ o' ]3 e! X4 P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
3 U3 r" u6 _) n* J又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: \, ~8 T2 C) S5 M) e( R道理我知道好多只係做吳到
; k: a* `: z7 N5 `9 T! Q呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. s& y/ u& O/ F- UNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 J7 F3 S9 b: Q8 F
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! I. v" G: ^) h# Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; d5 N2 S* A; _3 B: dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" e1 A( ]( F2 u# g2 _% [我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 i* y" o$ p3 h6 @8 A真的!!這不是反話: z: p+ a9 U. V; s+ z/ N5 y
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, y, d  }4 x6 y4 s& Y+ F* p: F  B
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 r6 C  T( Q% j8 Z& w* t在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 Q. ^1 E0 S% c  w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! C5 ]# w' c, L  O" S: M

8 r, ?( G  D: n% hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( J- X1 m( [! l7 y9 B
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ T- d5 u% j* I

6 o+ r" C6 u6 l* E3 \$ yLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  C2 }+ D  T0 r$ `  A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"& x1 B6 E) `+ L, c
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ H4 ^% k- [1 Y9 a3 t
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 X9 t4 {+ L7 [7 _) s! _it's starting because we have sins......
" k, }! S( ^5 o! P( fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% o# U) Y" h' o$ q. s0 i1 d3 four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
/ n, p; g# S4 N. f* l) Z只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 M" b4 z1 E6 f8 f1 Y. s
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
! K5 v. Y/ ~; H' ^, T這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# m, y  A2 k' o- w8 {, |& ?# i
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& K2 x0 i6 b5 ^: y. e8 w而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ `! _6 ]1 Z9 V8 _/ q
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ i1 L* U. ~7 t3 y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( z4 k) l9 ]9 Z* `
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 f/ L6 I# i0 @9 \: N  G% Y4 x
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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! I$ z. y! K) }& ]吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 x# v& K  ^6 I8 w( q7 n3 ]+ u% W信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 P5 u8 \) b$ V, T
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以下是其他人的見解,% H0 G; K7 R9 N
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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" n% j7 Y2 E% Q$ a9 F  I不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 m- q6 |3 B4 j" s

7 @0 f% U" |7 A: `' G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 [! ]& k; P: a

( T4 F4 F% Q/ i同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 D+ f' r: m5 |# C/ a5 l
.............信耶穌... ...

7 p8 h; ^; p9 {Regarding the resurrection....
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$ Y( T/ c% n6 m- _2 pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( b% P5 Q; \+ X  s8 e

4 o, \+ O' L/ `6 V1 }( _  vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.