Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* _9 w0 ]/ T" V" N9 Z7 |" t/ j
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 q! ^: o9 {: U5 V( M: S

) a/ w  }  ~3 v; Z! Z7 X9 \( SNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 _' M7 o% g9 p" c9 |6 k
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...., c- c7 Q* s% A

$ F, `8 y1 f$ L" l: gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: @, d) n' W- Acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, `, @0 Z2 S) A# s, t
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." V# g5 E$ {  [  I2 V& f( K% K
真的!!這不是反話7 G5 C- u" R$ F3 _4 c* H
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 ?* N+ p  Q/ Y' R" _以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 ^& w. v) W4 S, z0 w9 k
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 {! }2 a- A9 K. |. gWhat a statement we have here?
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( ~0 x$ v7 i9 v# ZJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; y; m0 d; O- K6 a1 [  t, d
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) @/ x7 a& r. I8 W

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
" R% f# F2 }) r4 \4 {建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 z* W9 u" S2 O"不信也沒損失"
2 Z( c( k1 ]0 E* R6 d' {) s$ [* oYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....  W) b  A/ |+ a8 Q: R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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1 n7 F' w8 y2 N6 g* I, Dit's starting because we have sins......
( Q) ~4 P% l3 y( h+ ?! esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 m) ^6 j$ q: Rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* D, p$ H5 F; v7 x" g: v' Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' r  m. n' d  {/ g' W如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" Q. W! m) z5 O7 B+ h4 h而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 F% r$ K' r% ]. Q# `2 S2 E+ F
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( s+ z# i# n& N好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,( }! [" s9 F, b

2 O. R3 d/ H. a) p一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ v! t- b1 Y* ~( V/ v

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! l! q8 G# v6 a4 t吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. F( l7 m4 S& A1 _" F  h2 h信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% _; q% b9 ]1 O* V: l) e

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, b/ K; F" G' U, ?9 q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( I- A' T! n: ]! w8 |6 P同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) n/ K- F; ~6 D  F# X% `
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....) C+ L% p+ H' ?+ x' ?/ M
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." f1 |. A, y4 L" v' o) r

2 O# I3 |; v6 O1 r" z! P5 ]2 c  fYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.