Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; j& H) N+ _+ q9 h) n7 [# INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 U; w- n5 V  K9 @$ J7 s. z
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 O  F* ?. v, i/ h: c  ]( s

0 I- ~! X% {9 Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; u) V0 c2 ]) D0 a5 z+ m: K* O
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ p8 @; z2 y% N9 G9 z
我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ [! N: B3 N+ ]4 J. l
真的!!這不是反話1 w6 ?  q$ e6 z, p. @& [+ P
因為我是情感比理性強的人
2 m$ f& H2 C9 \% d( e& x所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 k: Z: c5 _2 q/ w* p! `以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ @( J* O- t" ?& I, G在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 B. ]) b& u% b
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, M) W4 ]/ R; I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" B  Q0 S2 o7 q" d. U& Z6 D* NWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# K0 H% C2 r& u/ E3 ?I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# N& u" T. }4 N. u/ P
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% Z6 T. t0 M* k. D6 G' Q% C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
4 r; W5 }+ C, {# x2 p- ~4 ^Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., X: s/ c0 U8 O5 S5 q' U
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......% M- z$ z8 {4 T
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. I9 p" G1 ?0 o只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 o8 H9 r8 c5 `% ^用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& R4 |. Z* j2 A9 F, B6 p這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# s. i3 s- O% ~; b. F# q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 {5 x" _1 i) V! c" ?而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ m- M0 x* W* T( o9 j

9 g" G% K9 t+ x" z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. k( S$ A! P, ]& p6 @$ A( b
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
) \, X# s$ Y+ u4 ?" G. C& `改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ G6 Z% }* A. n  f7 S美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( F" W( u4 ?6 F( A& x4 Q
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具1 Q3 C, q  p/ j7 x1 i* W( w

0 i: }0 _6 S8 h9 ~# p/ L吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 e) L* Z; m8 @  v6 J信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
/ p6 y4 j) F1 T看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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4 n5 n5 n- e7 S1 t. d5 u! o不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: {2 C! p: M) k# J( H" Y) p

: H2 j" F. z7 w1 w  v) U& J7 v! u我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 f8 h6 j# i) ~5 n# s
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 C4 E- x2 T: B. @. u.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....- \" L  A4 x. ^( r0 X0 }5 X7 G7 V
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 ~1 ^7 u. \$ H  b0 Y1 S% b

3 _- \) b+ P% N6 sYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.