Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  J; ?7 Z! @+ k) q2 K9 M! @3 D- }我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 |/ B) j! S9 s3 d
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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/ t3 e9 Q: U, y: o* j% J3 |Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 z& ^4 R! u5 N/ E8 I4 _
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ Y! \3 W6 A7 n0 B8 @) S1 m/ ?

  @8 K( L! ~! a0 C6 [, x. F; Fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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. J$ w9 N9 f, G- j; M5 B& y+ n( ]- hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! M, v  x% F" [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
$ [2 B  ?1 l( T所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 e8 C4 Z) E" D' L: r' L
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, O' B" x- j) Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" X: w" R! V- ?3 o, J7 H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?; o  z& S! j  H4 @' i

2 C) K9 D$ E. h, C. KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 G- ]+ J8 v) W2 m/ [* j

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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) r& [& w5 N+ ?4 S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) B9 A' z8 T3 _Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 w, T1 v$ i# ^" H  G4 ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 \/ A. ^& t! P* N0 W+ r

1 m6 r0 V4 F3 z- ~! N) E' {9 R$ K4 oit's starting because we have sins......7 O* i  T2 m$ L- ]+ Q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! s- X, P# a' y( Z- u% v
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 w2 z* K/ o% c' h只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& y$ X% B" M; u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 w7 [0 l  D* v( ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, [$ O& C3 d/ x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( G- A2 M, i4 X) g2 t好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具  G6 O- Y( W+ R2 E: T( A3 T

3 O; b0 F5 L! [& v& c吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 N% @6 v/ h7 v, F  d
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解," T( |( ~& `; m, y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: ^( O8 i" c$ o' A
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 |+ ^/ m; V) C6 N
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" P0 _8 k  G( O9 T0 S& u% C4 L
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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5 y% }2 Y) \# R5 }同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ S. i, v. h# b# [/ V
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 n+ X% w0 h* R( Z  G; K& d. eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.