Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 g3 P* I$ X6 N/ V8 e$ E5 Z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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7 C' n3 g% O" Q+ k+ Z/ \5 BNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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0 f1 m0 ]6 Q; e! B6 ENobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 d0 C% a6 v0 H! G9 s

0 C- ~1 n# U! o9 |+ B/ D) qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...., c; N3 j8 Z* ?% L
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 j% `# O) W( p
我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 l' y( D* F0 W, J+ ^/ J1 U
真的!!這不是反話/ N4 I8 b8 V& S$ b# d, {
因為我是情感比理性強的人9 N3 D- V8 D& _' x$ q: o6 B. Q' M
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ h! O7 P( A& N. ]& [4 s$ ?7 Z2 e以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,8 r, |! t: m- }: p' J! h
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% L3 {2 m: j' r3 q5 V2 P
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 n' P0 u: D9 Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# e  y- @& s) G. e8 q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"5 |; L7 y3 s+ @
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& v* G* ?5 |  z" ~# O& Q5 K; C
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 p; e+ \' b$ \* _' D* j& N2 O3 r" W
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it's starting because we have sins......$ a5 W" k0 [1 F2 j- g& a1 U
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 \8 y- @6 A6 A8 k+ f9 B/ J
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 T: z$ [8 q9 X% l3 }$ D
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; M1 k" ^, J( G. ?( t

$ G8 l; t( D9 ^' G導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: `/ W5 U7 B& e# L  q1 e% m- ^# N
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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# H- S$ P& M1 K3 M吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解," O  }, a3 \7 B+ [
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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1 {% X: i  n5 w不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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. l: k, ^/ y' C) f, K! p1 T4 h3 O我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 _4 K: p4 M% A5 M6 c, a7 Z.............信耶穌... ...

$ s' Y3 B; L; `! s* Z+ G2 YRegarding the resurrection....  N4 i7 @( K6 T! e3 Y% T1 e! k7 |
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 c/ I- x7 N1 [/ M! V' \6 a! I
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.