Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! r, @+ Y+ ^$ l3 V. @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 G6 m$ G: w# b: @+ C
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( }, j' j( G' m, u7 Q, O' qNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 U( j$ ^5 m5 H

- O+ h8 ?, x) n0 q& M4 [mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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* c1 h1 k- V8 x" a" i0 {7 i0 `struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; ?6 q; r0 h1 k* P/ u* E/ w" F
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ w, {8 B$ F; q3 A  R
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 L3 F& y: S! |* P8 l' F8 z
真的!!這不是反話
! y" Q" W0 a0 |- M( _因為我是情感比理性強的人2 \( A6 y  N& K# }
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% ~% X9 J, C) O  w4 C以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- ~* F# T/ D4 G
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' b( d5 m7 F+ c0 s
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; l8 ^! o  {& p6 E: mWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % n2 `+ a. a( e1 K
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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5 {/ P' I) ^* N5 y+ S8 n& TLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) t6 r, Z6 I) B2 k
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"4 B9 ]* D, o( d: a
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; z3 B! D0 d/ q6 |* k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 @" _+ s" E' V  P$ V+ v

* L2 X' X: ^4 t; d! k) vit's starting because we have sins......
) a) p" A% t- ?: F6 @7 Ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- y( D5 x5 K# j. r
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; Y" y; L$ v2 q4 F( Q- \  x/ T用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' M1 `( Y( U+ j, i* q8 h這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ W( _- Q2 G+ M$ ^  R1 l' a$ e如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ S9 m$ r7 Z0 [0 F" d/ H' e/ Z) e' d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; H2 ~) b# k* D) Y

) Q" }4 x$ f/ H% K2 ^8 a; L$ S導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  K! v2 ^$ E, W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; G6 P; x1 E  s5 i% J6 C! l% R4 |

; \% k* ^0 |, L* b; L% D+ z' K一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 n: @- g' f) Y+ o
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 P- e3 x* S( H2 f0 p
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以下是其他人的見解,7 [, U) _# s5 `- y# t1 v0 ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" ?7 e. o2 I5 T) \8 C5 G
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- ~, o' ^6 d* z. M; x0 O
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* L) t3 E* L& ~' X2 u) |5 q
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) N. z! x# y& H% H6 p.............信耶穌... ...

; A7 f4 m9 t+ z! eRegarding the resurrection....  m0 f4 v) W  O% b' ~
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% e/ E8 p+ h* a6 }: M
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.