Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 M7 u/ o' }9 c! A2 f
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ g9 f6 M# q" ?, _2 P+ W$ x5 C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* \8 f( J" u1 q2 A' A$ C$ j
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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" ~& b9 b3 J  a1 D6 eNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 n; G6 }/ Z& y; V: m- r4 V4 d- {

8 e" b2 M+ v% C+ DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ A0 q7 r0 }' ]4 }- z+ W  G

7 Y9 G; P2 D& A$ f5 _mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, A4 k/ O+ }# P/ ]' `
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 K3 \; O/ s2 s0 {5 e/ `
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 g# F! d1 }; G) |2 \7 Z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ C1 c$ r# v/ ~- ?! {
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 g8 Z2 n& T3 t1 {) j; ?  J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# j4 J9 _2 m  i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% l  G3 r$ ^) h( E5 w9 WWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- C6 ?- M! @' p% B  J  X) G
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 _) F4 X: o0 x- c6 j, C' w- L

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  Q+ I: i0 \' N& z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# Y1 m1 x& E* b' Q5 D# dYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% K  `, n3 @  j* S+ ^2 O
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 a& k0 `4 v. V1 \% \2 g. w
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 O/ ~- @- g: G' y6 j# S2 Q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 Y9 J% U; H/ o7 T# _; A( G這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
, `) x5 p. t2 h如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. g( F+ o: z4 d- e4 a7 a1 e* M4 I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 I0 z  j/ B4 C& H- J3 b3 O
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
  S- T' y! E2 \" |. z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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1 {8 H. M5 a7 ?5 x0 V8 e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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: H7 `7 |' K$ K; u* Z% u/ b+ {7 a宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 a, b2 Q* C4 p7 m3 ?, D吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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3 C/ b8 |1 p; {) p以下是其他人的見解,
- D; {8 p4 _7 u7 x) C看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# t5 j' K( W! A: ~5 S
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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# `4 I! ]$ r8 Z7 o! h我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( g. }# G+ s  T6 O3 x4 V8 j+ E+ z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 |  @* g9 `) @7 \: t( P! q/ c.............信耶穌... ...

. @: Y% K, G$ ORegarding the resurrection....- e" O5 x2 S2 ^* m3 I5 ~4 c
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.