Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; K9 c+ j6 J; h- L  }
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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# `5 C6 s( B5 C7 Q$ lNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. D  Q) b, {1 T6 s  E( z( B1 E

" c+ l, y* O% q) I. X5 E; TNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., o4 x3 p( U( l% E; C" \
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ X1 H! I4 `' J/ Q0 B! j1 f+ O5 g. f7 ~

1 T' U7 S8 s! _" O4 B% }* Q8 Bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# B# {9 Q9 @& Bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 ]0 U/ \4 X  n& a' q# K$ y我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. H# s& j% b2 N( w) u2 Q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. [7 M! `- X8 _) t: _# N在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: ~. S0 _7 A5 c+ R  l5 o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?7 c* ~8 ]; V2 E0 p$ g

, r+ k# _! n# D3 fJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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1 P/ }% h! W( K+ M; p1 k) g- v% V$ eI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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$ g$ R: j! _$ ~+ `2 q) m6 ALooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' P, V$ Z& s: ~2 L0 A' M) w! r
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 _1 g- `* }* \. `  E" N: Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"2 y) ?: Y5 |6 _) o
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% K- |& y" f2 C! Q; D! X# I
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......* ?0 h+ x+ Y; l  V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 y; b, j" z, z9 I7 a+ p* _0 k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" `2 z: x: n  m3 f
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
( c2 A7 B; z* @0 m1 w1 g用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  V% H/ j$ q2 y! K6 @7 j$ _
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* _3 Q* \( c8 \6 e6 _# t  K
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% c1 o- `& R  `: }8 o而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& {7 G8 z/ L) X; {+ ?
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: d4 z9 o- o5 N0 k: E  u8 r
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
8 S$ p3 C# h+ h* M* Z改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 l! u1 G7 D* o3 o! P美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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$ w/ y! Y4 ]. y3 R  p. \" j吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 ]+ P; H, X. c& e; Q! q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- J/ z/ o  f  U  A; C* v
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以下是其他人的見解,
7 {! B9 k1 e: m8 @6 r看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  H( t# U" V& A" S! d
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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* m6 v$ ?$ x5 j* N% W- Y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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$ f. i+ P) U1 S6 \7 O# [不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) \1 F& T+ B2 D' Q: E

) R" U: ~( M. m# q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 y* R: n: s: z" w8 _5 A
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....' [  C7 `, R; Y6 Q$ F! R/ ~( \; r7 v5 X

( o1 j/ j- m" C8 IActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# y/ C. I: C7 N9 w( O

% W; |+ P0 s) bYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.