Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( k1 ]; x# Y5 k% j6 s; o  }; r/ j我係一個連自己都吳信的人
3 E, H! o+ f1 p1 O9 C# C又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 e; t* K8 V) p, S" ~4 A  ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 j) H8 b! N  A7 k* y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 L4 C7 _! z7 W" Z5 L- ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 _4 }, B; i: q! L  {7 U& N5 r

1 \; `& G8 U0 C# B# b! Estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! T* k% |6 u7 |. E5 }
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& Z7 M( O& P) O7 o6 T: O以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 P5 O3 N) f  R5 V! V  f" Q* Y/ c在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?: E  X+ f- i9 {$ O) f7 D5 h
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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( M/ I4 c$ v: m4 b& r. h0 B2 C; F) hLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 w- O+ n+ F! l% }  w

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! `% I2 d6 D. V) D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% ^! S) |: c7 [( k) p1 l) y4 I"不信也沒損失"4 A; a+ m3 F8 u7 m0 j* M
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ r" }- q) ]" }8 w' j- F- `" R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 N1 f5 q% w. n9 I
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it's starting because we have sins......% C( o+ w1 H1 e8 T% L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : w& ~8 i0 o. X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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# b6 k4 e% N( t/ n* Q1 ]7 }用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% \! }( i, J8 R3 ^2 r
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ V2 ^" \0 ~9 G  ~: s! H" ?+ T# K如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. s- X' I' A0 F! d0 q: h: |而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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; v6 v+ E1 W4 N6 E導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) v% Z) I) d4 a( L3 F; P好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ f0 ~8 H- e6 J! f, A7 p/ q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* Z7 r4 u7 a8 G* X5 K, [
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ O' S0 D( e" `9 q; O
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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4 \; x/ M1 J' j0 X9 e) x9 H以下是其他人的見解,% ?. Y0 Y- q( F4 G, r& ^: H) j' j+ V
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- f) o% a9 K/ ^3 ~
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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3 @& G" M6 a+ k/ ]0 X我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, a" d5 R7 Y, G7 s$ N# K. t

) y7 S' ~% a, c& a8 e$ P同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& Z: e7 a0 q% x6 T
.............信耶穌... ...

3 C6 N5 x3 H( \/ z9 Y$ S5 u* W# u& MRegarding the resurrection....
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5 j" X4 U5 j( U% \+ k' C5 w* SActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ o% r, `/ `) G& }( d. T" T" a

  H$ C$ E9 x3 E* l  ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.