Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ y1 }, H) D" _5 \# s我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ l8 N3 Q/ L/ H, o6 ?+ p
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 A! v' w+ V4 h: G# p. q8 {道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 X$ W1 @; Q$ S. @2 k& w
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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& ]$ N# w0 M0 E+ RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 b1 l- J& a! N' }* o9 T* M$ M; ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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1 ^5 k' J- A/ m: h% Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; W5 M" @, k/ _+ R$ S

% [: p$ b5 S" k) O: ~- T, v# ]struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& n8 {3 B4 w4 V9 a; o0 }
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& C' ?6 X+ o: y& l4 a+ b  w2 X0 j
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
$ B4 K: @# g" D真的!!這不是反話5 C. x% D7 I' m( {
因為我是情感比理性強的人3 F4 b8 C6 c' C! v* P; ^/ I3 Q+ E
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 J/ f5 ?; m9 D/ u* P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& }3 B  L) d( Q( S
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& q8 w5 P2 O7 S
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 l+ u- y8 ~! O8 L6 @! H! a" l9 T+ [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# z! g% p( R% n# Z( D- yWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . j: E  F& x" {

; X8 I. {- e8 BI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ j8 k- W' j% \( Y. L! LLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 l8 v, G7 q9 ^) Z
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; e8 g! x" ]  D! A" d0 a3 a# `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& l. {1 {# }- u2 A"不信也沒損失". G' t: l1 u1 e, J- f9 y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# J- ?. K( _' E9 W* k# rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......8 \5 n" V0 j& u7 }# `/ N
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 O2 ~  q2 g' o4 N1 K6 w! ~
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
% Z7 z7 K$ B9 W% p! J6 T% O; d只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" G/ ^7 T6 Y+ v# x( s, u, x6 v
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 x3 ^% J' X  l而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' r0 W, [8 G9 K$ k. {

3 u) s# U4 M6 A( D. b) m/ N導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 C: H4 B6 ~& z2 y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; Z* c; I! G) \% f8 e7 h+ Q4 {2 c

# p0 b" P( y( ~$ v一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 Y" {: I) [6 K0 u
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! I0 @9 M! m9 j" v3 d0 w. Q+ C' O
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! c. p+ l- _: g2 B6 f5 y

4 M6 o2 C: W2 C" A5 f: g宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具. G/ J9 o2 q" e, `
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ f0 I/ ]0 K* p! ?; P1 G
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* k! S! ?. `/ i0 I
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以下是其他人的見解,9 L' E0 S9 b9 ]4 ^+ H
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# D' r: @. B( D  {0 z& u- {! S

" Z* u/ a% I- e/ |+ b* T; }1 b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" L+ N4 f" T! T, O1 ^
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ x( j( U1 m1 p3 e0 f

% {5 r# A6 ^8 d9 x6 E' P; `% U: z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! c# r. W+ y$ @7 n.............信耶穌... ...

- v- P( r+ g4 W4 Q, I2 b5 @Regarding the resurrection...." x6 z8 V$ y8 K& u7 y: u
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., B, ~! b) e7 i: i' b

& z. i% R$ C+ SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.