Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 m! a" v7 S" O我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 _4 b$ y3 a0 L( p又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: @4 J+ [8 t1 @- y( p
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 F7 h. {; k" Z1 _1 A( _' l呢D就係做人的悲哀

% M* }( |; I2 E0 q" u# d

9 c9 r2 R+ a; Q% r7 _  G5 tNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
, [6 [/ Q) B  Q- q! O0 P  z8 N. m" ^! A( X& Z, i$ J
Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
7 @8 R( J) g* u# Z+ I& u& c7 p, Y, e* H. d4 ]/ x/ j  @
mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 U4 p7 G) n0 F, n9 V

: X: Y; s* F7 _1 zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 Q$ l' E7 g5 q' i: }1 z$ x! dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ H& p2 r4 k9 X* E+ x% Y/ U9 ^1 r3 b# t
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
& h8 x: A9 V" \( T: X" |真的!!這不是反話
6 u7 t& O& c: T  l因為我是情感比理性強的人3 Q0 n- ]# ^5 o1 u2 Q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 j, n& D" H3 r, p  ^( ?# e4 {4 w以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; P& s" x8 p9 q2 B在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# i. s" G& w$ e& Z0 s0 A0 j4 V
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  g* b4 C* {' q1 c. v. F( D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

) {% b/ l# T7 l. j; t4 X( S
  c( o+ j& \; U# V3 S- L
What a statement we have here?' D: h# O( g" k  f' Z8 W6 n! d
! X' m; M8 G7 q2 ]
Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
7 y5 g/ g/ x, Y0 m6 X$ \. a2 f+ O) R/ s" j
I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; s1 Z" M, v  M& Z( x/ O, L

' I; t; q2 R( G( ^Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ H$ M& u/ D) j* P( v! c6 A
0 P  d+ P7 z8 M2 \; z
:cool:: m$ N# ^  G* Q. R, r

8 o7 \: a; l5 e2 Q6 r7 r[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) t& X! N" t$ N* }! C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

) E% M# `+ I3 q  o& v
2 y+ O8 m. n% }. R" L, a"不信也沒損失"8 T/ p, d( u  U
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 M8 H( h2 l; d/ ~8 ~0 |6 {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
" F( e+ ~5 [# F0 p' r3 d( |* C% ~8 Q$ k2 c+ P3 y8 J! X
it's starting because we have sins......
1 N: V+ w! f3 m: V" Asatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! Z, T3 i; Y6 s$ Cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
0 Z6 c# u+ S0 F& |. d只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' B2 _" v1 h* l1 D. T0 ~4 W
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, x+ {. _! i4 J( z, m3 e這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. e  v  S; d& d* ]' w7 h+ Q9 H
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( I& G5 x# Z% @, F
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
5 O3 m5 D$ q8 s5 Z* q
8 x; |$ Z! M4 |5 u+ k/ q  B導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- ?  E4 [9 Y( s好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
( B0 O; Y2 \' t1 B# O# O% f2 s4 N# o, v1 D
一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  r% O4 _5 j- D4 z6 @$ ]/ a$ V5 C改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 a6 K' r# g! ]1 d
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
5 ^% _! N& s% {1 d& l6 H5 H0 Y3 v
" M+ {# B0 i, I8 v2 y: A宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具8 [$ c+ D) P: S: V- ^! J5 w0 h
6 _; n& ^% C: @: ~
吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
$ h+ G; g7 ?5 g4 {0 p! D: B信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" P  J9 t2 X" E. s
+ |& V( k4 \( w3 O& ?
以下是其他人的見解,
3 c! r5 W2 G5 b. j8 e5 v3 m/ B9 K看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 u" b* I5 }5 \; p" b! ]
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
7 L3 R8 a5 p/ w+ T; L: ]4 T# q5 R% }5 T2 x4 x- D' l
[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
' u9 u' H: [* Z' P! i: S" f( {1 g$ H9 x* X. ?
信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ O7 c: E$ f8 ?6 |! J: b
6 Z9 |: [# Y$ X7 V6 b
不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
2 j) `  _2 g: t7 h0 w' {9 ]- w; R7 w
我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
2 U! t$ e& S, a% i0 f+ G1 W/ r) F; M" v& \
同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% F4 V1 _$ P3 X; J" S
.............信耶穌... ...

# Z4 q. y% R3 |$ t6 y0 y4 C$ B' eRegarding the resurrection....5 P7 Z5 }1 `5 U8 c  e$ u- P& y

/ K: e1 G/ f$ ~' pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
. Q" D- D* D. _. r
+ x6 _0 F  U6 R2 V# B0 T# b) OYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.