Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 u$ `1 E% [) t- v我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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  p2 R& p; F6 @6 }1 MNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., R) C% G) O, Y  g% s4 d/ X
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 Z8 p* r- E. C5 v& M$ U% F我只不過微小的基督徒...................& O9 {% b6 o( a1 o* W) O; ]
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* ]8 X+ G$ X# L/ R& o) C$ S8 F1 n3 K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 W+ @; O# Q0 E+ X$ n. f: O* l  y, }% q. |
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 c$ I& B0 ~' Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; ?  `* R2 n  c: p1 VI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 l% H  K; V, P! k3 i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"' t( A# G0 D* H- E. V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., C6 A7 D( O& j7 }2 h
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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2 v3 ?- m5 i) T0 U  Cit's starting because we have sins......! Z# r3 G) J' j9 W
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". [9 ?& D& l- @$ {: M% b4 I* |
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 U5 l( \! Q4 W; ]
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ k* T+ I1 q5 U3 Y9 t" Y
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 }0 E8 o' c9 e2 U+ d如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; m0 }- T# U6 |* F2 e. }* |. G而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 m- V# ]& {- d( c% ?) {
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! _$ h: z% D" q+ c: u1 ]. B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( n0 T$ c7 \1 v5 ~6 G. k+ A3 p
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 r; ?- Y2 n1 ]# B; V
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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4 k; V6 s. b& i7 ]2 G' [% P以下是其他人的見解,% z% ^: M0 F, J0 a6 x, u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ @$ M2 I# s' s+ P. K0 N
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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9 R/ R( v, @7 E不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# N) o4 k; i$ t( ^) Y! ]/ b

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# U5 b- w8 A0 Q1 k.............信耶穌... ...

1 h$ Y3 X! A# N1 z4 VRegarding the resurrection....
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. V7 ]$ y  w& N2 e5 HActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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5 [9 w7 v* t  x, T, v$ oYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.