Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, s- z2 O  L+ x6 }! l, N% @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, c, A- u: ^/ P$ c又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: K; W, q! k) ~% g' P道理我知道好多只係做吳到
2 @# U( d+ D+ K0 V% c! @呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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  M2 O2 K9 Y* fNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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4 u: I2 e; h3 y0 wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! ], e" W# d4 r! o/ estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# k2 t2 m7 i4 V$ ~0 `3 _cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! N! b$ H2 |; P  f' p1 a/ I) i我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 g! H3 j" j7 M+ x# G真的!!這不是反話
. N4 I8 W& g2 p因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( h5 }: j5 e& Y7 M, i以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ D' v* d2 I9 j9 y8 U8 ^1 Q) w在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& I4 ]7 D( P$ T8 K; K0 A+ X
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- d) }* p0 p7 {( i# wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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# G1 d  T9 q' @6 x' G) C1 j$ Y[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
/ C5 ^- q3 T1 H8 G+ F  z3 D/ I; xYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) B. O! r2 y8 k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* \, A3 I9 [) c9 p# k8 Q8 ]+ j

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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & Z4 J2 U. ^: n0 S
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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- x- f: {% M$ D# ~+ Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# a: |) @) w. \0 A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ W: e0 R$ C* L1 ^- v3 X
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ J' b( W, p& r$ E7 I& l' G' j
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: P  l- J& K% J8 t好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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. G* }( b7 Q: K8 R; \一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 @- C0 l6 G# k& G改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
! y( I3 y3 g% g& e/ k3 i$ f美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: E' ^. I0 R1 m- A7 @2 s0 Y

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 ~5 F* f3 g9 V* L) L) {信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,) h1 N! Q3 B' x1 N& m* P6 [' O  {
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 O$ u) o/ @2 o" D% d2 u
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% H  G( I) t8 g/ t( L) K

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7 v+ O) d: N+ T6 }" _不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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& A7 d' b: B: e  t  h我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ Y9 ?* Z7 K0 S: t) N/ `! W
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; S9 c1 ~$ U9 L
.............信耶穌... ...

# o$ k4 T1 K& C; R: b/ x, Y2 p* VRegarding the resurrection....
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# ^" Y$ W% L3 D: v" WActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.