Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% `: b/ H: t3 q6 v' r# s+ K我係一個連自己都吳信的人
6 W* q' F& [5 ]4 |  G3 t2 s又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- y3 N$ j0 r8 \4 x( `  h7 d道理我知道好多只係做吳到
6 e% D( V! q: B/ `. e$ Z: r呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* E! b9 e1 Z# S0 n5 u; x% `Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! i4 n/ Z" L1 a/ _# E: I

. N0 @1 z! J# R0 X' vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' `- o. T5 |+ f7 ^8 b# u5 j% T. fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: y2 n$ ^3 k2 F0 T8 n3 V3 Z% K' Icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 m$ `" T' B9 y: c我只不過微小的基督徒...................' U6 l, T7 h8 l6 a9 P/ v
真的!!這不是反話  Q. v: f' P9 ^2 q6 R
因為我是情感比理性強的人" u7 O# ?" \3 q; b) t3 P) L
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 Q4 i: \8 G& t* s$ t, i; c; S以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( |2 a8 R* H7 C1 d! f5 q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 P. G$ C* B+ A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?1 l" s1 C; p( H3 M$ w' s
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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  `' C3 t3 H, {6 _1 xI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  Y$ @& C9 E! G. _& c3 |
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! {9 ~+ f$ c5 Y; |# i

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7 B/ \9 a: V" k8 C- Y0 d/ L[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 x" q% ?6 e/ d4 G8 A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 L, p# e  X1 U, q. f"不信也沒損失"
' Z7 S% B, |, TYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" f' t" x6 }0 _+ S8 T$ ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* g1 |- Q$ V, g3 d

0 }1 [8 Z/ i' b6 I2 i1 Dit's starting because we have sins......
! E" ~' Z8 z4 r/ ?) N4 ]+ ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' V, l, d* Y4 }# E: I/ n
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", l, W5 @7 l, z; d8 k* L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% l1 l0 P0 f2 ?) H/ f+ M如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* w; s, P5 Q: n+ f  E
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 H$ l+ `' p3 |4 q' G. U  h好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. M+ [0 P0 F9 U  `; x

0 `( y; i5 K( P( f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 h6 C( S( c* v, T1 \
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
0 J/ _5 m# p: w' f4 s! |/ q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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' \" A) n2 z6 L* ]宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 ^! ^4 t; c( w6 J% C" U- U6 j; M2 ?信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
6 n( F& f2 A9 n5 e8 r% g看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 e6 E, e  k  v  n# i
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' T" V0 f1 U1 J. Y7 n1 K信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  ^/ f9 z* @, w1 \

$ r1 I- L1 V5 {* r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& Y6 v) {. s7 F* K, d) x) |

! }% Q5 b$ H; d. z1 p8 K同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: ~; `5 g6 O, H) _* F
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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7 U3 y+ _; w' K7 v3 ^2 zYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.