Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) j9 G5 _) ^6 M& \9 T& _我係一個連自己都吳信的人, @# i$ @( U7 m: R# t7 M
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( O* _5 m, j) n  H0 k/ Z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
) S% M* R" w! P1 U; w- M7 i呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. {2 n8 D1 o9 y) s6 d; c; J1 |Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# u3 T& ^  w: _4 j
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 w4 Z9 F+ y  U' A2 d

: [: r/ z  y8 j  F1 d# [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% D" T/ h/ h! \- X; c
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! {( q+ a9 x9 W' z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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$ q6 D) u1 ?' F# p, w3 [$ C因為我是情感比理性強的人) ~) H) W& g. b% o& e( }5 G" R
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 Q. X% y, B8 N7 N以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 ]; ?0 W3 G* Q6 L) J6 j( G
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... D3 J0 M; r: K8 f
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ R( B8 H9 g+ M* C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; s' ?' p  J5 J. Y4 U, H. }6 sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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+ F* m  q) U' a) aLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ Y% T$ o: E" w8 }
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' `, [+ a' e0 \& r. {% }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"3 F2 X, g0 p5 _
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& r% @. F8 T& o& }' I- ]# F- m& E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......3 J+ t) y5 Z: l( e3 i0 G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . Z7 l# Z/ o7 B) d
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 S, @+ y4 J  f
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* y/ M: ~6 W( @- F8 m! i如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 _0 c; R1 x$ \% T3 @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; ?7 x( n5 G- |, Q  x7 B5 E

2 S/ H7 n. C- {6 N6 Y0 r4 i導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 s5 H6 S* G8 I1 }1 @; m3 N7 w好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 m6 g( I2 {' S* c. \2 D
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
0 {" Q6 Y/ s1 e改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 C3 }! y* m( E% @2 p美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 L& z/ K" Y5 N4 y5 |, z; K! G
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 @2 G* z5 M( V
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以下是其他人的見解,/ ~- ?; P" F% U5 T
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( x2 B: V0 [/ ]2 M' ?
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 t8 F1 l( z) k8 j

" Y2 r6 u, J$ B* N6 Z# k, v  f我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! Y% D; V4 d1 c+ |' f. j

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; j5 Y2 j! {8 G( I+ g
.............信耶穌... ...

5 p- j: ~: Z* [9 D# O3 RRegarding the resurrection....( v1 R* j; Y' o$ W1 Q. @. F: P, Q
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.