Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 C7 w, u1 Y! J1 Y' b$ }我係一個連自己都吳信的人
6 I$ H2 f3 Q# n$ m又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( ]) {6 T# U2 N4 C% \6 y& j$ C道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ W; p7 F5 G. B( b9 i: Y/ X呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ s8 w6 x: ^0 B$ y( ?" R5 _Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  Z( F+ J( E1 A0 d; {0 {! D/ r

9 ~% k1 J8 Y4 Y% ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 Q$ n+ p, K! _. H: hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' q/ Z! A. i8 p* S我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 z# D4 w6 `/ \3 C1 h) ^: p. J. i
真的!!這不是反話- t6 |3 i; G2 X3 l: _$ N
因為我是情感比理性強的人1 ^$ |4 G/ u9 o# |, J! w' F+ f
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' m7 n7 \& i1 E) N/ _* c: _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* Y+ A6 @& h* A( o, u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?+ \" h& w2 j5 u  Y7 W

5 X6 y( q% H1 A" J( }2 n$ WJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; Q: U# u9 N+ T3 M: }

1 X) ~# A* N7 ?" \1 aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ @* f1 S2 Y( _8 w8 h
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. R& n# J4 t* H4 e& }( G! p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"$ S& l, L, F) F9 g9 l- n! {/ o
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' c- Y3 t) M: N) a/ l
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 n3 {. P& F  i

, h( j% F6 _* T5 r1 Qit's starting because we have sins......' C% G" I, Z3 F% z) M8 z3 V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
& T: G  w. h7 G! B; [& Sour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# @& i- u6 M6 t2 S5 l$ W這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 P& A" T8 F3 l3 h# q+ t如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* D8 ?/ I; f  p. H4 N$ h
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ T9 c9 c, H/ a
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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' E# B  w* o: i' A$ ~- E一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  g% j4 T& V3 g3 E& c/ Q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- b; l, F% i- K7 z1 ]) I8 {" E美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 y, C/ S, e3 Y/ W1 P1 Z
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 T3 f4 K( m: X5 y
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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- F3 L4 F' B/ ~以下是其他人的見解,/ _1 N* _- l0 D, v2 _
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! U  u. m8 ~5 E& W
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. ~  ?' k! p$ p2 G! L% I3 k  k

$ }1 X( k/ _! b6 T+ l: ]' F3 q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( G; m, d9 `, [.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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& f3 v; E( A0 u2 LActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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) ~; x4 Q' P1 s6 AYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.