Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) R0 Y1 m  ^$ ]# q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人% w8 S& ~% a7 I* c) y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 {- v6 q: a. ~% z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到" D/ i% b6 p# G3 I
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 Z& `" K) [5 U/ [6 ^* |' V0 MNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( ^/ j2 w6 V6 G3 H' S) h! P3 l
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 e, D1 {# f/ m& {struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( Z) x7 Q2 Q, r! k: r: Ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- C$ w+ k/ E2 T+ D! v# j' Z5 Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................) ?- s5 v( |! ~7 I3 l' `8 N! }
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# @! j9 C% h; X* _以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 k4 H' H3 Y: h! t5 S& |
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., o& N/ ^6 Q5 z. Z4 e# Y8 X4 p9 Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" J2 V4 g3 k* o9 Q" g建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 L4 N# B) _! D5 X9 oWhat a statement we have here?0 c. G8 x: X: K' e. z% P* O
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 `2 {: Y1 M6 P! h6 OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 a3 Z6 r/ L% T0 h- I

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' ]* Q6 f, D6 x2 r( `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
$ \0 ?7 h- O* x9 WYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 f9 ^7 {0 i  c% \6 [2 a
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全  c8 X$ |8 O2 O( W2 u0 t3 @
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- V& u+ Z$ {* i' {" ^2 J/ v7 S5 W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' x* o+ C0 C* H2 [! u  T$ ?# _

1 t+ h8 V% ~  ]8 O4 h導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- v2 C6 Z6 V5 t) F
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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5 `! D! {1 d) @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* Y: w- X4 X" A* H
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: Y* P. M% b* F* m8 n吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# H9 @, U$ Y* X$ G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干& q( H8 }0 o5 V% I0 E7 R6 R; t+ f
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以下是其他人的見解,' o- L4 L, Y4 a0 B
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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2 V/ z# ?2 G+ l' j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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  ~6 j- G; w$ d! V/ G不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, Y# Y& u3 v# J% \& k

3 s  ^$ w7 `0 j4 i我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 ]8 ?7 U9 c- p1 ~" N5 D.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....) l" P. m! G. Z: _+ M* C
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 F2 X( ~1 R, c- ^! z$ D

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