Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 I. q5 \+ }4 @, u6 q, ^* ?) E( b
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ X! M" K/ Z6 u4 ?" D
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' l0 b' o' X  ~; b3 r" E" Q

! |  S, h1 z% gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, J9 t$ l9 `1 S( Jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; b- j6 _) Q7 Z1 a& Z9 S
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人9 r* x  i- X% x% g3 ~4 o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! ?- W2 c' N& V8 \1 r/ |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 U$ X' ^: c3 f- E, t3 \$ kWhat a statement we have here?
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/ X- O9 {% Y- w+ e( ?9 p4 }& o5 JJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 Z, |7 R5 D( t6 [& {
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." ?) R5 X8 m: e: w
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* x4 R% z' e5 e1 `1 ^

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# ?& f8 x  ?/ h9 L建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' u, P$ O) Z& M- \. J"不信也沒損失"
2 i3 |8 @$ F4 F% yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; A2 M! w+ Q3 [9 y: K2 I
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' q, Q  R  Y- l

4 l& m! q. a& n) C* Qit's starting because we have sins......5 a7 {8 _- Q$ B; {8 |5 |0 K
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ; i4 r$ K) X* G# E3 x
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 L. U1 M. K! @" w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ J/ }7 t3 t3 p5 P0 e
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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' ?+ ~; L# ~- T導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: d4 O% s! b* L  V
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 H1 @; x9 F8 R4 O9 Q1 l( d

) U: g( a$ C- B$ w+ k一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* C! `5 l; q. L5 t/ U1 }
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ Y- d5 g. @( G& f
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以下是其他人的見解,7 e; \9 u' m+ v  F( Y7 U
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- |9 a6 G) K% q+ t% c  X: C
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 f, k& @5 H6 x& I2 V" n# g

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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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# r0 k- V4 b- N, C5 c. BRegarding the resurrection....
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/ E  }! D4 S! h0 ^Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 p1 @! ~& C8 K; Q& u" `" h' [You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.