Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 M4 A5 `1 p% e! b+ d5 R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 t- I2 m( k3 N( l3 C又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* _: v% Y( J! o+ ~- Z8 o1 l3 B3 A
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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. h3 B; {" q) |Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: g% ?% E5 q+ ~  w& ?
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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* T. ~5 u2 h5 P6 g! F' L2 gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- P! m9 A1 `6 n" X5 V% X- {
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 Y5 x- n7 X4 P: M/ K我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人  M3 H; C) ]/ j; q) V6 Z* q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 T4 e+ {' x& O; D  O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; p8 d) M% b- p! M在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ {, _7 E3 K  W8 q  m% Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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. h0 Q# E' H, S: ~* OJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 N. L. o8 G2 F% v6 }* t8 j
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ K( e! Z: r9 N$ Z/ WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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: j# B* l. F6 h& \, Q4 L. h* u"不信也沒損失"9 S% a; [" U( Y' M% b, a
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 E1 E/ [: d* _( e# `but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." c& J- y, L& n( ^  t& b8 U
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: X# n2 Q" {- K: O; a只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
, m# D  s8 N. o3 y5 p; U用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. q4 f* i( W1 ~% H) l  s' `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
- `; t% p! W% ?  H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ p. R: |# t7 \4 r' Z. M9 c- L9 o$ M
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 `7 s; S/ b) a+ a8 J6 m

/ f4 z/ V7 P3 s9 [導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, c+ T( W+ Z" I! Y/ s2 T好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* \9 s6 w9 N& c5 N5 g6 u7 e

: u/ K1 V1 I) A0 |1 Y/ ]) W一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 w9 n4 c1 w1 U7 R; O) y4 \  e

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  j- M0 E* V( ?9 H( B7 ]1 u信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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. ], `5 [, c; @1 }# J, C以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' X- q- S0 I* q( G* s5 @7 p
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!2 D. x& ]# T0 o! A+ X
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, K- y* ]/ D5 T' U  L  `$ b.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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6 x$ M* y; v% B+ w, a" N9 HActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.