Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- X( o* P& _/ z% c, `. b+ p我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 ?4 _7 Z1 R: amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ y9 b& S1 [) g# k
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 [* V6 A, h; m, f* g
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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  t# e2 H: _8 a% R% ?所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?' R, `8 i& z( K6 E9 ~8 C  V

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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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8 Q2 L/ l0 P: GLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 _/ O6 C) v+ E" R
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 p+ K0 v0 D4 m$ t' a4 N6 P. R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, G9 r5 K8 V4 |; H% i3 [8 B"不信也沒損失": ~4 X3 A$ Z  x8 z- i1 z# X0 V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." f# j$ I0 I+ X
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) A- Z! P3 Z) d6 {+ {: Z
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it's starting because we have sins......0 A/ v" t1 G- M" J' X* u
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 s" I+ h- O) m* z( A# p
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": m+ s% V3 u  r7 U4 m( [
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: D7 N) K: V; ~" ^( o1 N* e8 N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ f/ M' N8 K( O- E8 z3 U5 ^7 j這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. x0 o2 h) C- \
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. q/ @5 L6 F  o9 j; h0 Z/ b
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 \+ g2 [% W# R7 X3 H8 j( o8 ?6 T
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' J( |5 m5 A) @; `好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& G( X  L1 k! L3 D5 J0 h/ p
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, `9 |  U" a. i8 A- s5 Y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 _: J+ R! B  U: l
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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8 n; ~& n, V. ]3 A# R- x1 x宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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' s: ~( H, a" ~$ k: H7 ]  X$ C: u吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 I$ m9 y6 k- d+ {# u3 O2 p+ M7 y! ?
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干# u! ?4 }) n$ {+ y9 u% s

& q+ A4 h; D' g以下是其他人的見解,& y: x) N( f2 ?3 V: G0 @2 _1 L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( a6 W5 u$ c0 N9 K& X

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) F" x9 ]& K0 p: y4 A  {/ b
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* A) _9 V! r7 f1 h% T
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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3 M$ Z6 u7 R2 `8 cActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.