Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" m) J5 ]. _4 }2 {1 o
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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$ b  P8 M+ y+ x; s& N+ hNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 J2 _/ j7 x4 M+ U8 l' Y

9 ^$ W; Z9 t9 Dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 j& c1 O; g! m

  P1 P8 p( x' S  h# p& Rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' u' d) F- y1 V% acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 w. A  f5 u  E1 C4 y+ f8 s
我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ L8 @1 f, O8 G6 L- J
真的!!這不是反話' G* ?3 S2 {2 E! X: t& Z4 R
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* @' b% n6 j/ f8 S/ `以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 M& x; c* ^; Y3 Z( q+ y7 d在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* P4 w; d2 p6 k4 _2 K$ {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, m( {1 h, w, T" p
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . `4 d0 H* k" \4 i4 v. @( F
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' j( N$ y( |$ M6 n. v

! E) }7 I, \1 {! W) iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" g5 Q; t8 g- i0 A; J) t4 a
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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) F7 g7 Y8 S8 \; I  u7 H) }"不信也沒損失"* M- d' o. Y6 m0 T% ^1 i
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* N' G! n% y0 ~% J* Obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
. I2 l0 d/ E8 {& U$ I. Isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & H0 Z( D+ W: C. S' E
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 H* I- z$ p) e) |: l
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 ~, X6 @& _0 w8 K: J3 V! P( K3 I用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( z0 |/ C* N% L: n- K這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& [/ z  G" z- T8 E* t8 Z3 A如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: y' X' t" Q; a/ X1 _1 C
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) G; L$ w; P0 {. n

$ N, h! ]/ c$ Z5 G# k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 U6 W+ |2 O5 `/ D* X. x' |" }* z: ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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; E, K* p7 L; p* U一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 \: j  K( F( Q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, Q3 ]1 e- U1 O1 H, o0 ?* S% v7 h
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 t- A1 A  b4 [7 j; E- g( t8 w3 g
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 t9 v, \6 r, N

+ A: D1 ?% z3 d" W4 V+ R1 {吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 s7 V% L. `; U: _信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 f% ?  b' ]/ s( \! s* {( E; H
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm( ?5 Q2 J0 N3 A9 `9 m" b
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 f" ]/ e# Z& o. P0 R  [信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* q  W' c7 M* {
.............信耶穌... ...

+ W2 q9 h6 H- g& w, d* D) {) JRegarding the resurrection....5 ~8 Q2 L" |" P# F7 N6 D
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.