Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! N5 q& `/ C. P, ^) x
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, N7 V5 c+ o6 c, u又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ ~! Y' F& s) P道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 \( e! k4 \1 n' b: p) s* [呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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# o" l* Z: W0 F  Bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: p& Y$ s" o: T" Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' L# `5 g- N4 L9 o: e
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." F# H4 d4 a) c8 V# d4 L0 [7 I
真的!!這不是反話, z0 m; P1 ?( \+ z( z
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 T& p5 K  Q. v' t% k! K" R! d
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ L+ r3 \  ^, w6 X6 K
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% T% I+ \' m' a+ C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 q. g3 F' m, HWhat a statement we have here?* u$ F9 e6 q3 l' H/ ^( Y7 q* Q
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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4 p! g! o5 K# UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 \9 m/ r0 m& F1 m5 e1 Q5 u

! @1 r8 I+ ]2 D1 R# W8 x5 q8 z7 ]Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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+ a8 R5 e$ x3 `1 _"不信也沒損失"1 f- `$ N/ \# r+ ^3 C% v, n# p
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ }* j3 h) v' P) s# Q4 R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; g2 T' s( H. T
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it's starting because we have sins......
% {  w7 i2 Y" n$ X. d0 zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' [- j6 u* y; V
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": N, J) Q$ ~" u' w# i  P. ?
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 Q& W8 S, d. Q0 T4 b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" V0 Y( }6 j. a" Q& M2 q) m而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 d5 }. s/ {' U好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 R3 I  A7 J- _- ?2 x美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 A+ |7 `1 ^6 j

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,. q- q7 x' q6 @0 a
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, _+ E5 r) d( z
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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$ e6 V. s' T  j- ?. b0 f不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; f" P4 J8 R! p6 {* x& A/ G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- Z2 X) H' q  k6 l. _
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
2 [6 m6 {) {7 a. G.............信耶穌... ...

( t' X. d' ], x# W- u# `; Q8 }Regarding the resurrection....7 \8 u7 a& l3 a! j

. [1 \9 a) a' w( w+ }4 Y7 H& ?Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.