Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" \* N( Y- K1 X- M我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
2 _# y- D) h" T呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 u0 |- L% U) MNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. P0 {' V6 P; k& z

+ V) D' q& a5 L: a! K5 V2 G, a9 mNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( ], e/ F* N1 q3 }3 m
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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. H$ o) R5 p' `% F6 @( ]! {+ Vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
* C0 k0 r! t! t+ s! d0 Hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ x3 n$ U' H7 U
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人+ b. ^: m" J: _
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. I6 W8 d0 D. ~
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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6 V- X3 x0 D" g5 w8 Z& J8 F8 GWhat a statement we have here?) M. `! D; k" ^2 G% q

) q. g9 |  @+ m1 {2 oJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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) k& n6 Z$ t  D  ]3 y, O3 o. wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 r( i* W, G& A- h$ l9 p

% J5 C9 ]2 [. p' S. z3 W: qLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 ?$ N! M  f+ F& w
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% O* \/ ^" s: B9 u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ \/ y& O: w! u9 M; `% K) P"不信也沒損失"
; E' \) ]9 o' [0 g, bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# i+ p/ E2 d, S9 D% |( M- _but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( ~2 t( E; F" j2 w* _  a! Q0 r
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it's starting because we have sins......6 @1 z; \, g  Z  q& \# x4 S+ ?3 ~* p
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! N( L" T: T( Q& l8 h只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% K" S# Y& v( b! L/ b( }用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% U% b# }! ~0 [1 X這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ }. b4 `/ g/ ]2 ^4 p- \& F
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ _; U9 {4 i0 a( z* ?( ], o而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 X& P" C' T% \3 l1 ]9 G導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) q" L; D. P7 E2 s' a好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 D3 r+ n  _0 C6 l  t- L! J

7 m& o' c) q- q' E! T" G4 v" D一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& {* b% x( [" }: v5 A" }) T. @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 s9 v. ]* K; r9 s吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 u% |- e- A& x! c) a* y信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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( s& h. n* _" B9 t! K+ j! M$ h以下是其他人的見解,1 p/ S! L$ J5 Q# E+ r
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 B/ U: o4 `5 @/ e/ X! k: k2 M: s

/ h6 E4 w8 D% n9 Q$ O- L1 u) X/ ]: L信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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; I6 X6 y6 G8 E: w7 j5 y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 g* e$ [# S( Z# g3 U.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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: n2 d. Q4 y6 F* M2 U3 I& jActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' X" F9 P; |2 K) k

8 q$ O7 D2 E" G5 j) vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.