Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 a* h; j3 Q+ X  O7 l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 u% k  E+ a- p" `1 ^; T
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 l8 C$ r7 \9 K8 v9 \道理我知道好多只係做吳到. d3 [; A; f/ p( v
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" ?# O5 H$ t" X, X3 {2 DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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1 S- S: H, R4 SNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 @+ Y/ A* c! z$ A
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 B) p) |4 o2 A1 |cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. d" I4 g0 t* V4 c: B- f! ]& L我只不過微小的基督徒...................
, U' m2 `; ?" x1 p& Y" k真的!!這不是反話0 M% n/ m9 J( U4 n& b$ Q+ {: Q
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 ]2 V' p8 B$ Q& G以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. J- d8 k, _5 w8 z3 v
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 u/ v1 o+ T5 N8 U6 j$ K$ K; K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?( C' H; F' W- A  a/ q5 x

2 O$ x) R# ~% m3 T+ P) _+ ?' F: ?Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 ~- Z  C# a# Z6 P" N9 y9 Z

9 @! [" F) B4 L! ~+ rI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 \7 s8 A' h) z1 G7 u
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& f* ?' o: a% p* }2 n3 s建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 ]8 Z: D4 p- A8 D9 E/ h"不信也沒損失"/ {6 T* w$ v( P* m$ K+ k7 S
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 S) W& B9 @6 i; u, ^  ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......$ {+ P7 z) Y! h/ q+ p' @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 E+ P5 r0 ~3 d3 u( m4 c
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
! D; z& K; E5 y: R2 {; b& R' |用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; ~: I& A! X6 w% e. E8 r7 ]這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( v+ E" s3 F9 {4 ~, {$ ^3 I# d如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; A! O& A8 L2 V! t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& u# b6 w  `2 G/ C) D$ S

/ i# ?* ]" }0 Q; B% o導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 a9 m7 c1 z+ C& M/ `* A
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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, |: H2 E$ F2 _: R一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
5 U- ~. u" v7 q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法1 ~& U7 U+ @4 Z! L
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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* Q; i0 a7 b; E! p: m+ T' f吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, T# y, J% {/ T, O信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干# v$ s" \( G# y: i; Q, a
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以下是其他人的見解,5 Q5 U8 X% T& X& T8 X
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ q2 v$ N; @0 u5 i1 z3 T

; w4 G6 \  g  z; o信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 ^  S) i: v& `  C$ S5 _: [- ]. A
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; x* D' {' z+ q0 T

. _0 {3 ]: L1 N/ Y' y9 G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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2 C: Z* ~- j. K8 L同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 m. Z* E3 J" ~
.............信耶穌... ...

$ d+ D" g, G9 v0 B2 h6 L0 u3 ?Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; d9 M) P, X/ b! R1 Z. y7 z9 Z& x5 n
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.