Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 g  i- x* J* B) m
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 q6 d, O' U) ~0 |6 h& w$ ?又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( k8 {8 R$ F6 M' W! a8 f
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
3 W7 t8 C( \3 o- c8 t$ O6 k呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) Y5 d. G. E* N# O
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., ~& D9 Y  y4 A1 C& p6 r

5 R, e% `9 _8 `mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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6 x) {. H0 ]5 @1 x) @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
. r( T- p: u8 _3 ]* V' F8 D& V" g* hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 M$ I9 P5 q- I% C# l6 a& ?我只不過微小的基督徒...................& \' V' [/ t5 [" c2 h1 Z
真的!!這不是反話7 K5 B% ~9 O# q- p+ i% F: J/ A
因為我是情感比理性強的人9 q* Q4 V  Y8 X
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
. o2 o$ r4 I* w% D/ `9 f5 M以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# {% U4 f4 j& ^) Y7 O
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ w' w5 N& e+ c( X) d7 m5 j+ s
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 r* [2 ~6 o+ D2 Z$ @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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- E. S2 `  V# \* AJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( R% U* I, a/ D

6 w' ?! l2 N1 n4 I1 {: T1 Z* vI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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0 ?1 E" N& ~; _+ d; bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 }* h  \% Y* C8 W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
8 p& U6 h; @% M3 P: E4 z7 b' \Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# J4 w5 l. a% R8 u. \but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
: w( _( E' [% b+ |satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
! |6 G4 r2 P; T' m) H4 k2 U/ Cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 }! C; g6 u  e% `/ t' S7 |
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
& x  m2 E6 Z: z$ P* e/ e用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, o! J4 D; c0 q4 U. T4 c5 O這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
- |5 a5 P2 k* X5 b. C" f+ S$ S如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 f4 K2 r/ w9 U  g0 C/ E) Y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" z! B3 B- \  B* E6 ?# b+ ~% g/ }' X- Z
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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  b/ z5 Z* i: y0 n) ?$ ~2 L一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 H9 Y& O0 Z+ Y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ D/ \" R5 y; u6 z. d美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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2 \7 P7 d6 V& ]+ q5 P吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 [* r% n2 s( z: H6 N) t
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,9 K% [3 Y& j+ o* ~
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; d6 f$ j: c# q2 o% n4 r
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 O' ?/ B% ?% z$ V+ q2 ?不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 W+ D; n. h% c2 e我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 a4 {& U$ ~& F9 S
.............信耶穌... ...

5 D3 y4 ~( I, y0 E# _Regarding the resurrection....1 J# h3 ?/ B: l# A
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