Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- ]! ~4 ?/ y1 X3 B% ^3 x3 T我係一個連自己都吳信的人, j! L$ D: S4 e; L* k" z% \
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! M, ?! r* u$ E% Y9 h3 P道理我知道好多只係做吳到- z1 d$ }- q9 D) i) v6 E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# O5 s. m1 }0 `$ `) U' H

9 q7 }3 l% z+ a+ ]Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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: D! r6 x" S* n. _* X: amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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6 `. n6 k4 ^% k) u+ t/ i7 |- @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- ?0 w3 m7 ^" `7 J7 Dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 D8 s$ Q! ?) I& w
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# u& ^5 L& F4 q6 ]1 \* p8 |/ h- }
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( P9 Q. V* d$ h1 H  y以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& W# ]3 g' O9 v1 H, B2 d1 A
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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3 M( M1 h& `' A4 c) r0 }2 C2 @9 L. ^What a statement we have here?
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4 K9 T, u5 V1 z" k' gJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ t' M4 V1 R/ t1 [  g

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 [, n, V7 g7 ~1 M& y' a2 ^建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( M9 }' Y  ?( |6 H. Z! ^"不信也沒損失"
/ }& `0 k. Z* ^9 vYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 r5 T5 y1 H, b) M0 b0 N( e- W! }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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7 K- U0 F4 q0 Iit's starting because we have sins......
' w6 l1 U- E1 lsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! ]1 p1 w$ N8 V
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# b% x) O+ r  N% K" {+ h8 t用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 ~9 g+ V5 F+ U+ K' T" ~這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 ^' I( h! I' S5 g
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. `1 K, Y% l! c
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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( Y- p3 w. R* j; c% f- M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
- N% k8 h1 w. n% N/ @好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 N# P$ Z' H+ K
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
1 {2 s0 Q$ v2 D! W3 H改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
- H1 p# P5 S' P/ I9 ~& k' p/ y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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0 a3 B" ~7 }2 y5 O- ]% `' l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
$ m* L3 c; a4 H1 c% \. J信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,/ y# p- g1 F9 ?5 \# P0 b3 _0 ^
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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2 }) F! _; Z- l: w6 q( H信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 J8 K9 k1 t2 k) }

5 ?! Y% k' v  E& W1 ]' c% P: @6 X5 m不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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# L/ z; n9 o7 G4 X* l% I! q  H我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: q9 a; e# Y+ z# |.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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6 ^1 @! P0 B# r9 D; u1 r- o$ m/ i4 vActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 m4 M; @7 i5 n+ j; B7 q

  e+ J* f3 R1 D2 F+ G/ E9 Q/ Q% ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.