Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  R6 Q' b  N" b5 \
我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 N1 ]  a* d5 [* Q, G% L
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( Z' i6 ^  m. W1 w6 L6 p" G
道理我知道好多只係做吳到! n: |8 H# A& m3 X5 ^
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 h7 A8 |( I; W+ R4 c7 y+ M' M
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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" J" V, G4 i- @; G, zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% ~/ D. d4 t+ |1 x4 l! A% e; f2 z
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# p. \' N' y  j3 Mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話1 p3 W- D$ H" ]" y- S4 X5 m* X( j$ V
因為我是情感比理性強的人7 {% X  Q0 T: E6 n( K
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 E, S2 V, a9 o+ F以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 E- [. j; q; _/ X2 e) z' _  q; F' r
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 X( k! }  v5 E; b
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
; o0 Z9 s& L3 T建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ L5 s' G) }( d- y8 _8 XWhat a statement we have here?) e. U2 U* T7 v+ ~. i

0 y7 ]* R3 K6 aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! s* O( f/ m& C3 X
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ j: {/ L: G  u5 f6 y7 c
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: G* ~  H' m5 ]建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ u1 \9 M2 u9 e"不信也沒損失"
  u! |! o; H9 r5 H0 w1 zYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 _% \: X! Z9 _' W3 J+ L1 `7 z0 F& |
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." r1 T& n- N3 u" r2 h9 L

% Z4 A& J/ g8 U% ]( f9 qit's starting because we have sins......4 k8 b. g( f5 V8 R
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % D2 R& o. Y8 c2 [% b1 _( {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; v7 z: V& z. z6 B1 m6 b  h
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 k: u6 S: p, P9 m
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# s2 Z! D5 L- \$ x這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: I: n* a4 y+ g& c' B" r
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 f$ `2 d4 |0 I2 j4 x$ S! W* s
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& ?2 _; T% v# \5 G% \

5 ~; Q' K) |8 k  H導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; g( i4 z: k7 D! A
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 t; F  ~& O! D
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法# S3 _$ W; i: c7 L# W7 d% B
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( y) `0 |" {9 E
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ z7 E: N1 ?  X! R: o

: N0 K, Y! u) v" ^以下是其他人的見解,/ Y( X  L2 b7 X) X2 L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 m4 i4 H9 k0 e' k

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& s% l9 T  N+ X' D- E; j: Y
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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9 u% J! S3 s7 U; _9 r6 _8 U4 |* R: IActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 g8 j- y  {+ l% R6 [& {
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.