Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% x) P$ P% e2 c
我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 v* k3 R6 U; c0 T6 M% ~
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 E. I( K* ?" a4 Q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到& r" f+ W* T8 L' `
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 {* c3 L7 T0 s& \  o0 ^) m

5 K( \$ j" r9 _! ]5 tNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... }0 V5 q  k0 Z6 V7 |
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: K! v1 X& y0 f3 u
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 i2 |, x4 ?+ _3 [我只不過微小的基督徒...................
' F" p1 h5 `, B) w真的!!這不是反話+ i3 x. d0 X9 j
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. ]7 P! h/ b6 ?6 ]# z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 y1 s9 |! W3 T# W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 ^$ K8 s+ B9 N( T9 ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 D3 q8 P; R4 D. G) SWhat a statement we have here?5 E. l" S" @) Y4 w

" e. b) f: U9 V! [& e6 E0 a% KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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5 Z0 `5 k) }4 R6 j* Q& _- p" J- `+ ]6 \I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( ]9 f4 C1 O  n4 X; H& L
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 p4 Q$ P; b$ m; E% q& W2 a& Y" Y$ V7 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"' X0 H  d- Y% n& Z1 `
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ u0 F+ q2 Q9 m9 abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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- d7 Y! W. c+ q' Bit's starting because we have sins......: d+ O' `' [/ z4 a& X* I- k
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- L7 ?% U7 E4 W% S9 z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# O& B# a' G, D/ _8 i用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. S- b4 N/ Q0 S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) M2 }9 S; U1 M  Z& l3 h如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- ?, e- C/ @5 Z/ E4 h3 K& _而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ W1 e! X% z7 L) B4 C9 A+ Y# |
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 M& ~+ @7 O* C$ W
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8 Y( M+ \+ W$ I. c一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- V8 y: S* e$ Q+ p
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具5 @5 a7 ]0 q" H5 D

; _1 j' j2 [! w, [  g; H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* S( D5 d& n( s/ k+ H, @信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' }5 X8 J/ P, v# a8 O' F

: d9 B/ k4 X+ c8 }, W以下是其他人的見解,& g8 x6 K0 \" q$ j  L
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 {; c1 i" r& j! c& ?* `
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  R2 J: B6 t2 m$ |6 P4 F
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 @) D0 b# u- F5 X$ w2 e

6 O5 s/ p' `1 k+ U7 w不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) h- f% H% l% t# C$ J8 u' \
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. h$ K/ U& [/ n  b

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( t% c8 |* Q, d! X
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...." m' G: B5 Z! e6 K

# V; a9 y) P' J3 A8 v* OActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' J* i" f' C% ]) Z4 O# L

2 `+ J4 ^1 o) ^  c( H+ y% m' DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.