Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 y; n4 k3 H+ W( i+ m2 w0 V9 v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 X6 m. h1 O# a
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: q2 b4 _# x+ l) @, S, y0 I
道理我知道好多只係做吳到  |4 |9 _& X" g/ z' I) y" |
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- d. g! H3 m- O* q1 M+ _. SNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 c  w& w- _. _# Z. M3 C+ n* W
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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8 S0 b1 Z7 q5 I4 c, b  {mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 `) y/ _/ C7 X) O; J+ g
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., |0 m  n* i0 I' m1 w! T) K* `
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 o. \/ g! P$ H/ @1 b& `' v$ ]
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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9 {7 e+ b2 k, c4 E  A因為我是情感比理性強的人9 t3 c: K% Z0 v) F/ K$ `+ ?. A$ r
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 B$ h% }5 E( G: }3 x
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. L% z. a  e& S. T9 R/ R
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# i0 {2 N6 }! t  r4 N2 D( \
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% x1 c0 ]7 e5 ~8 h0 a8 l  @

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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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$ v1 v3 S2 P- Z"不信也沒損失"  u5 h4 a# g* i( B* f" F; |9 b% T6 k2 Z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 X4 \- B: W- I9 ]" q' G6 }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* \2 h4 c4 y; N* n. Z

; t& y" ?, b8 v& ait's starting because we have sins......5 j; W' [! g6 i7 W! A& z1 j& r& `
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ s9 v2 r; O& C0 |3 @0 S. H
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 Z& D  ?6 }- i, B: }; L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
* e9 |' L/ b4 P7 h$ D: \用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 s& T* q- v% U+ r4 @6 O; {; q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 y1 M# f% J, N$ ~( ~4 z- {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 l1 i2 g% N. g0 M5 C  B
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: @# X2 q, J' E/ Z: W8 Q( J

& C- S1 N' f6 b$ e7 O# Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; x, @! i" A4 N, J. C6 U# U# w% R好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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; t( t5 K2 g8 E( C& F1 i1 t一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
" ^' C1 G* F% M& G' K9 N/ Z+ \/ B改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& o' y; C5 H# `/ K; k
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 m0 k: U* g; V
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 M1 a0 }6 \" A& D" p' Z% H; i

5 k0 e( b; o# C信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 S5 g7 {# o. ^/ }* d不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" H" |% s& H0 H) k$ K
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( W6 }, k& O% x2 ]! _% R, q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ \1 a  Q" C( g+ ?# T
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.