Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 ]/ R6 }% w+ W$ W3 R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ v$ M( ^9 `1 k4 U) Y/ J
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 Y1 b8 r$ r& @# d+ ^

  d* x3 a3 X- a% vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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/ Y8 f) k2 b! R7 }& U# S. J! vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; s/ }8 \- f: c$ h1 G- K' I1 h5 @
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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/ W  ]! p! j; ^1 E: z因為我是情感比理性強的人
3 d) O! |' c$ A1 R7 s所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 M2 N6 k" [. k; b1 j7 o6 T0 r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 H. E- R9 j! `
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, Y6 I1 a4 P* M$ q. f建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 \- d+ X$ x7 H# d& }+ J8 X! \8 W1 [What a statement we have here?' L* M. }' {6 K  j* i4 U. _

/ W0 I9 M2 W0 E' {3 }Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) ]+ ], d8 k: @" F

; G0 O0 s2 I( Z% A4 QI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ W: l- v( j' ]# z* [

( p8 s$ T9 m) ~) u9 e' u2 WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. t5 A7 q$ g$ v# ~

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. w% x( ^2 ^) w8 J; O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 b( ]# E; k$ G8 V"不信也沒損失"
3 I4 J  {5 ~$ |Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 ~0 J& ]2 [0 R6 z7 F: N* g
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 ^* N: t' S6 j' ?/ W

8 i3 I, v+ q( S; A: a. Qit's starting because we have sins......+ P2 n, |' l( d6 j# s  \: }* n
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 \' f- c! y, ^& v
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
% y+ i$ O( b0 k1 V8 F. \只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
) H5 V5 Y9 C' w6 w0 x( ?5 \用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% h. y, H# X# o: W0 s) m這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% P; B6 s4 [: G6 `# t
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 S- T' ~& }2 J而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; _* P9 _% I) I1 @( K
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! H( l% A3 l& w8 o3 k. Y/ S/ k
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ |$ ^; e0 O0 O8 o6 z4 a( X* a
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
6 [% u3 j# q0 s/ K8 A. u改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& T: o3 v: Y! ^! w. f8 h/ Y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 v- Y( t# R- h5 z! h' u
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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' i% R6 c' c4 D以下是其他人的見解,
0 o) \" ~3 z# {) U, ~: `# K6 c8 w+ [看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 i* U# i8 s1 I/ Y8 j; p- j
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............3 x% E" z! @' c4 |) h$ h0 L
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 H; l# Z  A9 R, v/ W+ R
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 {2 Z8 P: d! |% @) R. Z

# o  a: {( \2 A5 M, Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 {% e/ L# n+ Q! R4 m2 M
.............信耶穌... ...

! w( i( e! u! A3 z& o7 c" QRegarding the resurrection....
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% r1 j( i$ t; J* DActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.