Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 ?; x- _+ ?# X% |- v( E, R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 _$ v4 M0 f1 ~) ^# o又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- x! Y+ j+ o. N9 p/ |1 {: W7 s
道理我知道好多只係做吳到( Z( H. y" R% g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 c" g& `$ h0 w% ?/ LNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 z3 ]! ?1 L1 m. A2 G5 u1 A
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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# y8 `' v; U/ V6 Y$ j$ p; Jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& c- k; n9 J9 u2 B
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 d7 C! W0 l. x我只不過微小的基督徒...................) o" d2 z: d! d7 Z; P/ v( q
真的!!這不是反話+ U0 _$ V. H) R2 n' s7 e/ ~+ ?
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: `; |0 `2 s- N  A" z! o
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 O* x( E7 A& d8 X9 x在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& n! n' t/ @) o0 N$ b* o
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# J( `/ i% I) V. A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ a/ }9 y, \( V. ?0 f! }What a statement we have here?; e; y! d2 O. \

# r' K( p. J6 g% ~Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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. O4 U. \1 M/ k6 wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 p2 d  g/ ^  N) c5 _
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' x$ J" ^& `/ z

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: x9 P* H2 [+ q8 j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
. v* v0 [& t- Z6 W& W& UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ k5 ?( S* m2 J6 w8 U5 c, n+ y0 \
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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0 F. B3 _* V1 G$ t$ vit's starting because we have sins......
$ ]9 x* {" f6 ~1 {; e5 xsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% k% s  C! i& E! w/ |" ?' a0 [our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ n8 A3 B8 ?" I: d只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 p& [' o& y. S1 @4 L
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 C! X/ u7 P$ c- [/ @; \8 s0 G; U
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 N$ q3 U/ o9 o8 W- z, ~( L
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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5 Z4 \4 }. _1 _+ _; [導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% }+ H( f. u7 t4 G! R1 @  t好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) h' W4 q' ^4 Q6 A8 y& [
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, W! N1 s! o# ?. _- I* Z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 L% d3 B7 P9 m5 V0 u$ A

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+ Z- U4 h3 O) p2 l7 k: O吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ e; B1 B) j4 g# V7 {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,' f- z  D) N+ p3 Q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- h6 W" c, q; Z% M* O
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm, {& c+ L8 e, n. |" {( i1 G

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 r% J, S- p) w7 x* A
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 R% l4 i7 r  k- L7 ?' y! |1 ]

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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% N; ^! F7 c# D# X1 I: |同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 B6 v# j/ p. O# T* H! n) G
.............信耶穌... ...

7 g& Y, H! y0 ~! _* X+ @" ^Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; d$ N3 i/ q% e; \2 y
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.