Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 f* ]+ T% j! {. `3 ]9 U我係一個連自己都吳信的人& W9 {/ L+ P# L+ E; |4 B4 F
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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% \. Y8 F# W6 Y1 DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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* T4 H- i  C& m% h" }1 |mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# L  J1 k5 v$ V9 k, T
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...... C$ ?9 H3 J: R1 _3 d
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 M! U7 a8 J. x+ V+ h9 t我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ a& U' @7 v- R6 o" }以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 U0 I. e$ `3 I! d
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; C: J: P% Y* H2 J5 J( ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- w8 _1 @& \& `* F; i. y8 e" @What a statement we have here?+ s% L5 C- Z( {6 ^2 [
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." b" b$ I7 s5 }, B3 h- V2 [# ~
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) A0 O. m" e0 F0 D$ X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 u8 ]. m* E  |1 t  g1 w6 h"不信也沒損失". n9 d) }; M2 R* b5 V/ z# ~
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- U6 E, G( y. i' e
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& B& D' F* j3 h. E6 o$ [
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it's starting because we have sins......: b; ~; G% F- N
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + l  X6 |  n. F7 |& ?3 N3 k" n- N
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 ^: Q$ F% u9 j4 j. v1 ]
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& ]0 Q2 m8 N( I, Z" o
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 E8 K% I9 s% \/ T: y而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 c$ u, R; T& B# b7 r' K1 x
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. n$ T* C" U4 E1 r8 {1 [
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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1 P3 L. x4 D# W0 L# x, `( E0 i一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' Z2 l. ]* O+ G7 V% ^4 I# N, K. S改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 a% T: K9 `7 n( r7 Y1 d7 R美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 C& Q/ |) ^4 ]" B

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  W5 D4 K" l  a9 n0 a
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 U" P8 b; o0 K% {  Y# h

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( N# V- O7 {. x6 [+ Y" k$ _/ f同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 G; Q/ ^, v# F8 X& q. ?8 A
.............信耶穌... ...

+ C6 T( g7 t& O2 H1 Z5 VRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 U3 P+ R2 h! z  D* M* o9 _  {

1 x2 Y6 u- U4 I% T. z  Z- E5 k$ \) WYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.