Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 s3 m: A, n/ p1 F3 C  V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 A3 L4 v  {+ A' b5 V又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  k$ F! `" r# B) m道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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$ H5 A0 _0 z% xNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: S; O5 x+ Y8 G$ [- r

3 S6 r: k$ {7 q- g# Z  kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 b) s2 r- Z, N8 ^

1 Z3 ?3 I0 s& r+ kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 O. a# B- }- v7 N7 ]我只不過微小的基督徒...................
# ]* F" M/ a  \! V4 g+ ]3 y真的!!這不是反話
! d& z+ L& e  F( \$ v因為我是情感比理性強的人8 t' h8 F, m$ e  e. I9 f+ g
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 Q% Z7 ]4 W: ?8 r; ^; _以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' K" w5 B5 m, Z; f
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& h& R. Z+ @( @- u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  I( Z$ x) N0 s8 Y# F0 a7 ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
9 F0 Q2 \/ g6 `2 C; t! \: D6 E建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 @2 N" ]3 k/ H3 {8 Z( Y4 c: Q+ ^( y"不信也沒損失"
  j3 h2 E0 d8 ?1 m9 {: @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* e% F- ^: t6 \6 N6 o
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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$ h: V2 r7 F8 }) Y4 bit's starting because we have sins......* n0 Q* s3 c2 l2 d0 W
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
% `) z. z* `" Y0 x只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  Z8 E" j5 N8 G2 T) A  s% b- {
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 l5 R3 l& e* c/ t2 z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% p6 H. `4 I" T% w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, i% k1 g! _5 O5 E; u而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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% ?; e/ R' L+ E/ I( p. ]( Z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# s0 r" y* V; c* r$ w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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4 P4 H" H" I) ^一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ n. y; q! }- |改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, J1 r6 T' l) Z) ~% m
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...0 l0 }5 ^. u4 o2 x8 e9 T6 t3 A. f
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 M" O; W3 g" G! o8 x: P信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,1 }7 N3 E! p4 j' n. L- Y- ^3 p/ u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# Q- E5 I' F5 a6 B& E
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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6 A: ?  i0 D1 b$ z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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- O) r2 z( s5 l1 [  O6 v' O* b& P同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 {( X! W- z+ ]# g: f0 Q9 W.............信耶穌... ...

2 m4 R% R4 h$ Y2 w: IRegarding the resurrection....9 }# H( @: r; ~
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.