Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ N; l9 K! Y  `$ i8 g6 i5 F& A
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
* |' @* P9 s, |cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" w9 j, x" i; A, a我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( V6 o8 Z% m  q5 x- w7 u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. [+ D& N6 c: O3 Y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 e$ F* m+ L8 l2 ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! G' f9 Z& c; I1 n" T) i0 IWhat a statement we have here?- I, y3 w2 K0 K' G

% H2 ^& g. y6 E; z; s) F( eJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. G/ T! N$ R7 r( G* M

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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$ h, w5 i5 m/ n% L0 Z% \# |"不信也沒損失"+ D. [* n( E$ B/ V7 ~; m; I4 \
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) B5 A8 P1 x4 |' t, R  o
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 J! o7 ]( _1 z+ }# L
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it's starting because we have sins......& \: E1 W' h# B
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ ^- w6 I7 ^2 c2 u" Z( |  ?
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ _2 i6 }' v& z: a
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ K: j2 }1 V; _3 `' o1 b
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 e$ R; r2 @$ ?9 t( [
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 c& T- o8 b  Z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( Y! z# L3 J& [, x
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# ~/ |! X' B/ h9 u$ n2 o

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! i0 P) g) m! G% `( ~& @6 P7 r吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! m3 U4 u+ a3 Y' a. }9 I
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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( f0 a: G5 H$ y/ D6 X# M2 {  @以下是其他人的見解,4 i- L5 E/ q3 D2 ]- z& Q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' e" F; m+ h, o0 l# T, M/ @* ]
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: Y4 D5 c# W9 b! h2 @
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: g2 d' W: n  j# W5 I

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( Z: d9 h8 L" r1 C3 E.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: t* p; b3 g, P9 S, T7 K$ Y
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.