Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: C4 G$ s$ l4 T; v" }: o7 _( V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
0 I$ D% r) v( g- D' `又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 C% d5 s8 X# f/ ^道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 ~3 V) `7 c+ Y& V" E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  I, o" {  b1 d& r; x5 T, fNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., L( r2 Z8 `& L- K% D' M% n  I; Z
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ o9 l) A- H1 O% f+ Y
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# g( g. p) F' s- i9 B我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 ~" y7 i% O0 w9 `  H
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, V$ k3 e  x+ @( R! X
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& F+ j; ?5 M3 q* e  H8 s1 [1 y/ X在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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9 x2 t' K+ H" P  H- O* uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 T. b' R5 \. n  uI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ |4 l9 k, X6 g( |3 B
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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6 f3 U2 _3 B" S/ O1 n% T8 P- R"不信也沒損失"; ~# t4 L* b: Y! x1 y5 l
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- H* X4 r/ L, t/ ~5 r0 ?: r# Y2 Ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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' {$ i2 n1 x) ^it's starting because we have sins......
/ I) r4 h  d8 Z+ }satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us + |4 V  @# j% p% N" {
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* U# I/ a9 u  b. n& S1 T3 f" B" i4 p
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 n* S- K3 y! w2 S
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; g3 J5 i* f& f& y, y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 M8 e4 D- B) L  n
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," C5 N) {2 A' W! j! u/ ?
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 L, o& U, f9 h
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- A; _% i$ p2 S( K( P
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" \% Z! W4 [5 y' F1 W# o一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- k7 A7 u* r$ V5 g8 E+ J
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
( S# l& n9 \  l* O+ Z. Y" i& c美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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' C* X/ ]9 M' j7 S% X0 v; W% B吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( e! H8 s2 V3 P! K
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,3 T& R6 Y1 L% K. i
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............& V! U- V, R* i2 Q7 e' @1 }6 m
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 o' [1 V7 q2 h& @7 A不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, V8 Z6 A9 n0 |, ^

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....8 Z. _. h; p$ t9 x4 h: [: }
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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2 v- {! s! P' E4 T; Z( DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.