Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ D( q4 o( g* a# S( m, \
我係一個連自己都吳信的人4 m* l- N2 f$ f% }2 X( a' O% x
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  t. l, V) `7 k6 c0 m% g道理我知道好多只係做吳到, ^( c4 r1 B! ]: W; ]. z  Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 L0 r9 L) Q: L  c) }& l
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 w) X0 k$ x; Z; v# d- ^% n

* c3 ?: }  w" W+ k6 `- f1 gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% x4 ~0 p# @1 ^0 @5 Y$ `
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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6 `$ [+ G- ?" j7 d# C因為我是情感比理性強的人
' C( q4 O" Q5 B" K所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 @' r/ X) s1 y) F2 R以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% ]) D, n; s+ d" X
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
: H4 x+ I& y; T* ^0 h' c% M正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ U# o0 K, N' h: o  b$ y/ W9 {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + E1 d) F7 s$ ?7 A( a. P1 [; a

& B( R5 ^4 o$ RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"4 |; B4 Q: q0 f. s8 P
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( K: O6 _# ?* @8 a: Hbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
+ M8 n( b0 H6 W5 a6 y5 N1 p! Ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. v" @+ \) [$ K- P2 s, i, ^our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 e) e0 o5 d, r" S
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ K+ T) U2 U; L6 e4 R  O
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 |! R% z; @9 [: W( T2 J( H* B
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 L; B" f/ H/ `' U  E, c如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 A' Q% r6 W! a0 ]而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ m7 D( N' c4 @& T3 Y
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& _- h  X) W- u: Y8 r" [
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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) d7 t9 G0 O+ _" D+ ~# o" @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
+ b7 l. X+ I2 o1 j/ d, Y) p改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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# D9 w$ c! D/ Z( ^& Y& C吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 N% Q4 `0 ~8 K9 B) V" O信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 @2 |, O$ t8 M! j- K0 J4 Q4 z

* A3 M' {) q& i0 u# z/ |以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 z# g0 Z6 [9 X( o( u4 J

6 s$ L+ X; J) s9 ]$ f信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! D( r/ b# ], W9 B$ j' L
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
6 I& N" h, Z3 I( z( i.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...." H  ]2 ~, e4 T  a; e; U" N' [1 I+ |

+ j; R" `$ A* }" d0 oActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.