Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 ^3 q  ?5 Q! S我係一個連自己都吳信的人
( P  r9 C# k& g: k, P( V又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- R+ }' w6 S9 ]/ W$ Y: l
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' c9 o1 T/ s! q# O5 A% w0 Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  @4 ]. e7 g3 G9 X3 S& S7 Ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" y- i  v! X/ e; h. R+ V6 V
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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7 ~9 ~8 g9 F( m+ h$ `- B# h( ?因為我是情感比理性強的人3 J! ^2 O8 g7 t& y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 [1 I* I( w/ u% t& ~
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! L. s3 o* I, i8 L" h/ }( p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% W7 c& i7 r, z; J: c9 R" ?, RWhat a statement we have here?
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3 d" V1 M  w/ u2 J3 H5 TJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 u% I8 N9 g8 {1 s4 G: H9 C

3 o5 S4 N- e7 W& MI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., z6 q' d% C0 Z, t
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) [+ _- ^7 U# T; [5 Y  F, J
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: H! K6 \2 O/ U/ I9 r建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
! l# `% ?' n5 G1 N- i7 p6 jYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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" A0 s) O# j* p" ~6 m  m! l3 p* ?4 p1 r6 Cit's starting because we have sins......1 c9 e7 Z  w' Q0 ^
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 [1 [3 p0 s/ g/ M+ P
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  ^9 }2 V% g0 r( ]$ c, v這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ n/ I$ J' e- T* M如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 ]. K0 ~$ x" R- {/ u! l而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& c# T- o# |- K) ~* |8 g
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ F" R: m, j4 j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 P( m5 ?5 i5 }. }/ i
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: l! ?3 }( }3 ^
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...% p/ x7 N; U* Q3 j2 r
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 ]/ @: T" I( J' H1 U: O
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# u) J" O3 D+ d. r9 Z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! R0 M# Y* L7 C3 c4 v4 R( H; Z# B
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以下是其他人的見解,3 H; O. K7 F; S, F1 j& S  q! e+ z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' s3 t# U) ]9 F  f2 N
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ c- M$ f9 N+ G( Y9 F# U; p" g- {
.............信耶穌... ...

  o; {' X& k! B, F# X, x. w$ d8 TRegarding the resurrection....5 O2 R: W) R/ i8 n2 E" X
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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. z% ?5 s0 V& ]$ S8 TYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.