Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
0 v8 w$ b2 R/ Z* s9 f* Y# x: G, w" R道理我知道好多只係做吳到; M, q! w/ g1 G1 K& D1 v0 T+ q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" p9 f8 t; M2 F; J2 E' HNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' y. @* F/ j9 G! `$ G# u2 J

" Z. y" p. N. e2 T$ g9 X; u( oNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: N" g: x' i, E4 [3 I/ Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: _7 Y2 |: e$ T. Q& }: @
我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 ]6 R( O; J; y% o# X8 l8 R
真的!!這不是反話) Z2 R! ]  M% w
因為我是情感比理性強的人4 M( e2 b. E# @  H  N- }
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) s  }) y2 P0 k4 K/ }' R以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& ^' ~% C5 a1 w5 z* \" u! t& @在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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9 r8 R. W! @8 E& N" qWhat a statement we have here?: l" M" l/ T5 x* G$ s  P, Y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 _9 P) B9 @: }9 S6 G  W+ G* {

. ]0 ~  T  y, l# ^3 ?# `I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) v/ `/ `4 e, I( g# G

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: p9 _1 `, g& b0 _1 I6 q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
. r) c% Y. b( o2 f$ t5 d& @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....3 C- N# Z4 |! L! ?5 j  D7 _
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 E$ U  v$ P) [9 H5 x! L& B

# [# [9 }' @+ `. M: f1 F0 Jit's starting because we have sins......
9 S6 v& l5 N7 t0 c; |satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! t, G8 N1 \% \2 O
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  Q0 w  C  t# a. w0 H0 k
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 J7 h+ C- v1 x8 P9 R6 z3 n用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. i) n0 O% a8 d7 f8 Y' d
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 ~5 Z* _' S0 y- H7 q9 m& b+ r' k7 |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) X( a; U: m/ U" v( Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 j: Q  R7 ~# r/ d  }6 k/ I

8 X4 B/ N9 R) C4 S. \導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! H  k4 Y8 D$ o. g
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& z8 r: ^! N" P/ n4 I) |

  m' E6 Q% i1 V! I一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 J: U# L% a  V/ o  _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 y' s/ ?8 j# c5 X4 z
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% k2 [2 r% q6 z# Z信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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+ E* c' k0 g4 Q1 `" g" {& k  D以下是其他人的見解,% l( a2 b: M7 e0 [
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" U4 l7 e! O2 d8 J" L; S! n8 k! }
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 i- V3 E% m( v7 q( x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* e- @, A- s7 T8 M! B) o
.............信耶穌... ...

; R$ H) b5 h# ~$ ^* FRegarding the resurrection....4 _8 w8 p* ?# t+ N0 \3 k" S
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, ?8 ]# v% L% e: ?( Y9 r/ tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.