Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! v9 A8 z7 d$ @. R8 p; B7 c% @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 O( F& |7 v2 |& c8 _呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) y' n8 A- m5 t5 b" e, GNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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; m, W* s1 I- y) ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 y8 Y% R2 J; b4 \& m$ v: Q) ?
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 b# j& `4 @/ I& Z, M  v
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ D% x: Z0 v& S- E
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
: V4 s' f/ K+ x真的!!這不是反話
" n* V3 Q" }' [因為我是情感比理性強的人+ k4 z, N; \) J. q6 o/ Q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 P2 M7 }  s) |+ `以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 a2 ?0 R: p; J5 G/ u1 \" e' }建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; d$ I( v/ A% Y: j" z6 x

  a. h& n1 O2 e1 B8 [) uI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 J& v' N+ y& m( y2 e

$ s" J6 c% f- K% G* zLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) S5 C) n( c2 `5 a+ E

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 F8 I* `3 O3 {4 B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# Q# e* L: B1 I2 o3 Z+ ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" T0 X- S$ X0 [/ j; e9 q$ ]0 _' zit's starting because we have sins......" n; z6 I2 E& p2 G! q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 K. i& I+ _! e1 s) X: f# y1 ]% your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& P, S9 a3 L2 n3 X0 B4 \+ I
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* N) T/ O; j! h. W# b: X
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 I% M3 l5 y$ ~/ f4 T
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" c& w  Y# Q5 C) P7 F7 Q3 `3 y+ P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, u  q0 D' v: T: p- s而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 ?6 w0 ^- m% r% v/ b0 W% _. @
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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; k5 |! W% s  Y1 p& L! m% e" C一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& @& r3 H1 x7 E& I/ `
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- v  [2 U; u8 h# p! x2 C  r: m
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." {2 M/ b& [' R/ q3 V+ l

, W6 v" v- t1 a% g% ]" f5 ]/ P宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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% D8 H# p' h! A2 U% m: l1 \* D4 s吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: @' @! r0 }, ], v7 [3 h! ]
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ _/ b: E+ \; m& s

+ E* D& j' s9 {% B以下是其他人的見解,- G7 W2 {+ e4 P. Y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( \; A$ ?: R& L* Y; y. b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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, S6 u8 i3 w8 V3 ^( s; u% _: V' v我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 o( S$ K/ [9 K- ~
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ V1 d$ m2 I9 a6 j2 y, L& ~
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.