Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' ^% |% t+ {+ F5 [" v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 h) |9 B( U  i6 P/ J* [$ W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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* d8 y0 ?& C( ~% gNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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; U$ M8 H" P- K* tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* Y+ u' E! _" g, {/ @1 E* n

# k$ X6 ^" {7 J. ?& F$ z: Qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# H3 e8 F" V) x5 tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 {; M& F# R5 y7 k
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( H* k4 P9 h+ B2 N' A5 ]$ o" x
真的!!這不是反話+ H/ z# J) ?/ ~& u$ a( D
因為我是情感比理性強的人" O2 h  ^5 k( \3 b: T+ m; \2 K, S+ x  {
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 S$ S- R" W' ^, ~5 E以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 t! A) o3 S* f( U2 W6 B: W在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. x. K, _! p5 w/ ?建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# d, L! x9 R$ l+ I6 u3 UWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 _" N! P7 t- x2 |/ _2 z
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 O; Q) f+ W. t. i, C2 D# y# M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"* r4 B/ S) v: F# i5 `" K4 `5 u
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......6 f! ^8 f& P+ E- N
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
! P) {4 {0 a6 ~' w' E+ y+ M只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 U, d: l! s  }/ M用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; R, q6 A7 h/ e0 v5 i這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 {1 t0 I& \. \5 L
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( \6 K6 `5 s- ~7 ~4 f& b$ k+ d' V5 X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 B2 r* ]9 W0 m) R$ h7 s5 B; p( w導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 C$ S5 T: j1 h6 _) N4 b8 |好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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/ \3 H# r0 P% J) J- y; k一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& e8 L% E" F* }9 k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# P3 S/ C: j( E; B
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- a  R* }2 t" _  }' t1 q0 N6 |, B6 i
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以下是其他人的見解,/ B$ }( m. [9 M9 H! c& [, \% |% d" J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 |) E8 W2 l6 Y: k; p8 j5 C  x
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 f! Z" o* q, V# l/ s
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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7 Y( U. D. I, H. Y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) I9 l8 f  O' I

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ T2 L3 v5 y7 I! }.............信耶穌... ...

: N, D5 e+ `+ YRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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: j. z( o1 K6 b0 ]# g; h+ OYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.