Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) @# ^. z4 q2 D# O
我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 m# b- d% `8 O  l; l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. v5 X1 b3 X7 |2 x# R+ g( K0 X) M道理我知道好多只係做吳到; g3 \1 `9 h1 c) x; }+ d9 j6 c  V
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 N( l% U4 ^/ ?% Q+ s
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! ]% Y1 D: m3 C( F9 t9 ~+ s% k% fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....3 r/ q" T# R. Z! L
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!& }$ `3 w" k, O
我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ {8 y0 e1 Z2 t' t- ^9 k6 j
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," F; s( G5 }4 t5 J
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: z. j0 u* s& }9 H8 s
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* @, X/ q0 l: o5 o: v: A6 ~9 T: N+ E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 r9 k) |! d0 v9 ~What a statement we have here?# f4 D/ R! |2 g: i% K

- a  q# t) D% [Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + A. n1 m6 [2 P

: g) X# h/ I' U; z4 l7 E6 ^! tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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+ t, v$ W8 }" ^, v& ILooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 z* ^; L# X& V- h
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 e: R6 x; {( x$ m, t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! g9 z8 z7 R4 m$ \  b, `  N"不信也沒損失"& F9 p& j9 E9 X; h$ w* D7 T" l
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......) R. |' |- ]+ M8 Q6 i* K, [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 s, u9 T! z8 I
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 U3 B9 ^9 J) n, v, ]而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 L$ r$ S' R3 k4 ^& a好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ ~$ z. U( {/ X. \! O  A" y, W

/ g7 V" r3 Z5 J3 G6 H一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 U7 t* c) F: i" I; p: f
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 Y# N; b. o, |美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 Q# A2 z) b# P" D# r% L, P# M
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 r7 t: c9 L* O. E( J, g6 q/ C

% D5 s6 M/ G0 R吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 m! a# a) a, x3 l* }  e5 E信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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1 e% y/ P4 l/ g以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 b) L, i, |, {. [& D8 X0 [8 N# V$ F
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ y; d3 P" d! V/ _8 k9 Y- b
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# ^! \* J( ^$ F3 X7 y  K5 {
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....- Q4 B& E% v$ u! N- A

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3 t& S8 D  ?7 K0 W! ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.