Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到' a- V5 M$ G0 D5 G2 Q. ^
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! s$ Z, ~: h' J' R; Q5 _/ TNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 ~( @5 R+ @1 W1 U# ]

2 A7 c4 g$ a& M5 P6 `4 HNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 s; @, C* g3 G# \

/ z; A6 `, z! D, B- c8 S% emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& b2 W2 ]. J% v: [% J

8 _$ a, H  F# U# T2 d6 Lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....8 Q+ C# K% V0 U3 ^+ h( V1 B% B
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 v  i% O% r/ t; x- }- ^" K我只不過微小的基督徒...................% _3 Z( L) y& u4 |! Q
真的!!這不是反話! `/ m" V* r% @, V" x$ e+ B4 ?
因為我是情感比理性強的人1 C: d$ E( q% D6 p/ L0 Y# i& q
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 m" L4 V# \8 }. ~& b; d以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 K; n2 L  B" ?" D1 I/ a5 x8 Q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
6 j. }# O+ L, ?1 h正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 e/ Q4 s- H$ Q( K! y- [. @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : q+ |, L: Q! x! h- s: b

- ?) Q7 X+ s0 II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 r* e" B& T& @/ Z# W; O

8 w& }8 C1 |. ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 \5 w( h9 K! H! G9 H' s! \
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 j4 M* [. `! w5 A建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
- W3 X8 \+ _; n( v/ [+ EYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, y1 P, y* q) {, J. K) v; ]& rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......0 }8 j% L% k2 G; i9 \' \; ~; o# f% ~
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 s, P1 F& q* g7 ]: U
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 ~( w2 O2 }* R/ |0 g0 b; z! N
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ q) q4 _4 j$ j- `+ @, }: }6 i
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- b. C! I6 n" i# S7 m+ t" i這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 S, ]+ _& ^# t! p( R# Q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 D! \9 c3 C6 @! b8 j1 i( `2 U
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 _  W1 g) }6 Y. w, x5 e9 V好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 b, d6 {$ N8 C* R: M
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
: J( `* Y$ T" N( F0 T改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 s* I  O5 c/ D- Y
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... Y+ j9 ^, `! B. J/ _
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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% O  [4 ?8 }: Q# j$ H0 ?( f* B吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( m3 `9 e! n: z: Z8 l信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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9 K* ~5 r9 M& A# H+ W) x以下是其他人的見解,' o" N. n- j; f, z& ~) G
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, {3 Y' r% m* t+ L9 C1 t
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  D; Z6 [9 F. l5 a我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ y+ R- M3 @- t4 E+ y
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ V+ Z, A9 j( p& o/ d0 P2 L.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....& S6 N+ i8 o4 u& K9 |. b+ [: p2 ?
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 V; o+ h: [( E' i3 p
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.