Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 ~) X: g$ Y' h5 O6 m* x3 t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人  |' v- X! T4 V' ^8 k- R4 U# e& |! S
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  G2 A, P4 m/ B( `* X6 [道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 O4 ~6 N$ u6 `( k7 i! V( V5 Y, Y1 ?7 ~
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% Y' S4 s2 g0 D( gNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# R( K' D; ?1 x, x5 A
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 ?+ |6 Z% z( D: L. K0 k8 Ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 {8 A& T- c6 R1 q1 T. k5 l: d
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; D. T3 T' @- Y1 a" m我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人7 Y. Y. w" q. r! h( e# z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. G$ X  A; n8 d4 S" @. D5 b
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 S3 k1 T, d5 a7 B: ^在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% g! ?9 F- J) g6 ~5 T6 r0 L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& Q: w7 O: C% i( _6 a
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: Z5 A; y; T; O6 x" {7 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- N3 u/ a% d% e7 M) q$ p2 Y6 c"不信也沒損失"
8 S: T3 o! d# S! v6 t* R8 YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 y. U: F# H6 E# o1 H. n/ T/ Fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ ]& h- j% l9 o! |! u

- `4 |/ n* D) B: e% R2 ?it's starting because we have sins......
# v; t6 J4 x4 q; Esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 r; v% q- u: i  N: _7 Xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 S8 `8 m2 N, d# {  c
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊," p6 T6 r- m, [. d* q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' G- B0 i% o7 a, p0 s' ?
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! Q9 I/ j. W- `. R3 Z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; J) I$ D  M4 [+ {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 i; M1 j2 |" ^' o' z: r% X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 G$ q0 K3 ^, R2 N; y0 t' K
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  q/ m1 @' v6 W3 }) t6 h. b+ d3 x

# t8 ~% p7 `0 I9 v. {# F* r5 ?一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具+ G% q3 P7 l1 D* I* F! u
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* M/ P- K9 F% X6 s  E5 D, `信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
( |3 y' i5 L& B0 Z7 j) {看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# r0 [6 }9 F! p( `3 K6 Z5 ]
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% H, r. i2 c: \# c2 i$ m" ~. M( v7 e

7 Y5 j1 h  h. I/ `9 f信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 [/ v- N( _+ {; k5 @) T( }

9 P. g* x$ e. y" \- N/ n我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!. n+ q8 [0 v3 w3 c
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 J7 |" G/ O8 V7 Z5 b. F.............信耶穌... ...

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+ m0 k1 b; S; LActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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! i) W1 R' K: ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.