Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" ^0 f( c7 l' Q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人# O2 X2 N# H# F5 h5 w' ~4 D( a
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: T, {0 b  H$ T# ~- h2 t* c道理我知道好多只係做吳到
1 K, H3 K% ?' u, ]1 F* H呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 p4 i; a% ?4 d- w
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' J' e; D8 Q8 [cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ c* f7 f$ l& U/ D. n" K
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 {1 D) v1 Q8 g, Y* Q1 z/ h真的!!這不是反話
. J2 ^# i- ^7 H3 a因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& w6 B. I$ ^4 z3 ?4 ^* c: M( F( S& H
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 _: k' ^/ D1 g% W6 h
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) Z5 D! K6 b# S# d: f' n
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) x( g. B3 G: I. i7 `0 ~, O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" j' {/ ?! c3 p4 v% A# fWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . m9 r, f7 [9 p( Q9 [' t

$ z: r1 ?, X& n) `I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* J* k: {( |, l, C$ s9 \  QLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 U, k- ]2 G8 a7 h4 [

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:1 p0 Y! {9 u  B# J- x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"( P4 V% q6 f' ]9 r4 u
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 G8 |, N$ G' l
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......; p8 m# }* t; }) b0 d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 }9 z. I# n! Q7 \our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 d3 x" t4 p3 j' |
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; }: K4 U6 q* Z7 h用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 E% J0 A& N9 {* t. |這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( v, t7 ?) G% S# y% z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" ]. ~% B. `) p4 v而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: T  q0 Q, B& l導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
1 f& j- p5 I0 h  s/ H好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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1 |9 u. r% T; ^. w" f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," D7 A: o" G$ N/ S1 T, ]
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
' U7 G) a9 {& N3 W: S6 H美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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9 w+ L$ `0 b& I1 Z宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,7 |3 B2 ^8 P! h; k
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) f6 l" Q) q; E5 {4 u
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以下是其他人的見解,: E2 _/ \. v5 _/ e' d# I
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* Y1 t9 R4 V1 v: \7 b" P

3 e' ^* ]  O% w) i- n" b1 Y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 P; q) B; h, b& C7 U3 C* I- E3 O不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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5 z/ ^4 U6 ?: a6 d( `4 h: y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 e6 N. U1 N; _/ o4 b
.............信耶穌... ...

& T* B, `: d. ?Regarding the resurrection....
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) T1 e8 |# W# L: k5 XActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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2 l3 C% a) c9 ^# e. b6 RYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.