Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. V; S3 E1 L. o( X  |$ a: p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
9 r& r* {7 k9 c呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 w  _  G( P, T  U$ f9 VNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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6 Q3 x6 m2 d% r6 d) B, V( kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 v9 \6 i6 K/ W- t% F
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ a. o* K$ i& q( C  G4 {8 [
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....  _5 f. w& ~0 {( q+ o" V$ p
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 k, t3 E5 q' B3 @, |! _+ |9 Y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( D$ r" A/ A) `! [5 A9 B/ c建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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6 K( \' D5 h0 UJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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$ n  c  x1 M7 ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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+ ?) `+ M' D6 f:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 ]% a5 Z) Y# Q% ^2 Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! G  f9 u1 d5 y% Q"不信也沒損失"; `/ c% i6 |0 E9 [3 B! N2 `6 R
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% f& ]- T& S0 Z5 H% ^. y5 }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
/ L5 B5 P/ U" Z3 \2 ]; jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , C" }2 G# ~3 S6 p0 {: f6 P
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 N( j; C- U0 c0 L9 s* J
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 Y' R* u  C$ {5 T  U
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 t% y  g! W- p
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( z& X/ Y( k  \

" C- R$ d# ]. ^0 C: U. ~5 Q7 y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& h  n0 s9 O7 m. I! t8 t9 o' b好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" b$ R7 e; F) L% ^7 f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) E. |7 N; O% K8 w9 V# y* X; O
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 C: x6 h. w  V2 F( L7 k8 j
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具5 ], c6 |, |0 L0 [* u. y: }' S
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm& |) L- o. ~; o% ~; W6 i

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 j( j/ D. T* D- P% S% L信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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. \! D- ~) `7 S5 x& q* H$ |$ U0 B我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" ]/ W. v  S  j- I7 a9 |
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) k+ r5 ~! u7 \8 \: f.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....# V. f3 H9 v' t

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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.