Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢/ _7 w+ S' |. ]6 H/ F& c
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: |0 B3 Q  X: B呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# _! v& Q$ x/ `/ G5 f7 b$ JNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% ~, h. G/ r* P" J

* M' y& V4 P# WNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....+ W% |  t9 q8 C0 K7 s4 F& q
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 Q& w) I1 k5 x7 Q7 e) d3 c
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# s& A- u7 K: v; b9 G5 c/ O我只不過微小的基督徒...................  e" R) I* r0 |$ p& k  _8 s1 O- R
真的!!這不是反話
9 N2 n+ B+ R2 b8 b2 P因為我是情感比理性強的人& F% C. d6 v3 w& t6 Z; i
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, ^8 ]3 S1 V2 L0 r以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' d  T6 o  {2 Z; C, x; q2 |
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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# x% w4 L  V5 f- ]% mWhat a statement we have here?1 ^5 q* R. @: l" j( j, D# t- o3 ~
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# P% K+ u( T* F7 g. o7 N* II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ j4 C2 r3 D/ |5 M4 n
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ \( A- q5 O) o9 D* J

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ @- |' x: x! Q2 J7 n) Q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
5 v5 B" u+ g' AYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( D: F, k  ~: K6 Y0 gbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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, L: v& d2 q+ p  |* O2 a9 d9 c8 T# Lit's starting because we have sins......: {1 r3 z4 n4 l+ ^+ F
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & L& X% d; Z: d% W/ z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
  j5 D! \* P( z8 t6 r, Z6 r) {只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
% N5 v2 R1 [7 G/ k( V$ \) S! \用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 I  @" J' q: ]這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 S6 K+ Z: q( G* }# b如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  S" l9 J% Z0 T( i+ g; ?& @  t: _而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, X7 L$ _. A9 @4 m3 C

& `+ r. {3 m( l* O導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ S3 T5 U6 g7 M% o好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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4 _6 [6 q  g/ ?8 b1 w$ e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. B3 ^+ K* \1 x3 r
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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: u) H  ~0 F& }; H+ A宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: P& ]( Z* P5 i. j7 c% F7 o0 O吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 A1 J; ^7 M# M2 o! _信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  B' R6 N7 G3 q1 R+ A
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; f. W+ X8 I4 w

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2 ^5 H& _& z3 E不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% ~8 i" U: e+ U/ o
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 k! f0 \( p! B/ f# E5 K
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ J. H7 J; B& E# }) |6 a7 \.............信耶穌... ...

3 e/ E* Y. ?! o# j7 U( `Regarding the resurrection....4 N' w* \: t7 b

3 I3 h; A+ ~% }5 z, uActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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5 I5 n( k5 y) P' b1 a3 Y4 {You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.