Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' Z2 B0 k7 d5 x/ u$ @我係一個連自己都吳信的人; F8 n, L4 m0 r2 R
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: X% k' i7 u* c* R8 T道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ A' i, \. s. k9 H* P+ U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; [# c# C  \* l
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( ~# v% u! @# R4 k2 jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: V2 X% c5 u& ~& T/ T2 \
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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$ }: ~" L5 E) B: S& P因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 w6 V, S" g* _$ g  m! M以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 F* [3 L% m& Y# ~在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' D# w$ G! k9 u" t1 q* ]- R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- j9 g( b+ W/ t6 m  `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 ~* [: [8 [7 ~3 xWhat a statement we have here?
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- \! F' M$ S+ F% {* F# bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% H) G4 G9 i% N3 S( e

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
8 `5 i0 s! k% V) L9 O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; l* @% p* x# y/ E  l"不信也沒損失"0 G0 R7 F$ I* m6 V. @6 w6 E
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 ~( ^: K( s) l9 \! T8 ]7 {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 Y/ L+ r8 F  r( V% \& Z$ T7 b

/ ^4 l  L$ J7 V4 ]# z7 @" xit's starting because we have sins......$ e" j+ z; S$ D' u: ~
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) u( R% f+ z* S4 C6 v* U
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 X3 y, ]8 b4 T* v$ I- y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( J2 V) ?1 G% l. N
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' ^6 M" W) k. }4 g+ R1 s) n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. ]2 \. Z/ z7 o& e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' r/ g! C, V/ l4 G0 f( n7 d

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,* S# _& t1 i2 n) d
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............- \7 ]5 h6 I/ \1 g

$ N( Q# B% V/ V7 o; u  G; N3 w信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: ^: c& n& x5 q1 a

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: Y7 D( ~. b8 J7 l& C3 }) M0 N3 d3 z.............信耶穌... ...

6 }1 c2 ^7 j) U2 WRegarding the resurrection....# s- {3 `0 C& M+ B& D6 J

  t& n0 x8 q7 w" ?% H+ @Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! w& y- l4 O6 u& S7 H
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.