Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. k; j/ B+ ]5 D, Q( I7 u& q我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 _& V) t8 `7 S5 U" C* }" E# H5 r
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 T, k; o7 |9 Y/ T- R- K道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 P5 T: D( W& \; X( O0 T9 P
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 A5 E( ~+ |' u  j' gNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... z. f9 I6 e" I* ^
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! I. k( h/ P: I1 ^
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 E/ ]9 {6 N1 ^5 P; c8 w
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  V9 _, Z0 s1 O# t8 v3 M! W) p
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% f; y6 n6 {; i' R5 E
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ g6 k( P# H' L( E在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% z+ q8 L: D- Y* P" p! i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 C% x: u3 T" z0 ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( S+ w3 m! o  }" U; V" vWhat a statement we have here?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 B' x0 r: n7 q3 M+ Q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 u( |+ w4 f1 L1 cYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 P# `# o1 I* X; c& g
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 k0 ~# X) i; c

: U) G( [& e# m3 S( L7 z/ G9 O- e7 fit's starting because we have sins......
/ E# U! K1 i4 h' Hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, W0 t" q3 L) @% T9 C9 X) X( z: Sour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ \& P$ F, B; S* E0 `( N2 X# I
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
, H/ k  C+ O/ J5 @  u1 d/ |/ z' Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) f8 ]7 r# B- {* _- [4 w) I: K這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. U6 e+ |  }) Y9 W3 f" S3 H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 V, C/ Y3 l9 C0 F3 Q' m- }而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! v( I8 T" O6 z- |0 c導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: l, i( U8 J- T8 X) [好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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+ h8 L: M! O2 w# j$ [+ [  j3 x$ q# e一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
: `% W1 h! O/ D; @' r改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" l8 W7 l( j- o" H* W! [; ^' U: B0 V美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: h1 C4 ?" U7 ^! r6 s5 s+ Y

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# z* k5 g5 o! w- t
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 p  z& |9 D, U

! l$ U0 b) L1 H, {( p0 u3 u5 f! h以下是其他人的見解,( V6 u+ X" s; J  G
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* r6 `& Y, }  O# j4 p

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% R  l" \% [$ x% L7 L9 ~' P

( K$ L! s4 a8 l2 d我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% j' z. ]' H, u- Y1 g0 R$ h6 F% ^
.............信耶穌... ...

8 ^6 T( F. l) KRegarding the resurrection....4 ?0 d3 F' a0 [% U' l

! y8 A1 D/ J; }' M/ ]2 MActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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( A, e* B! q! `6 ]You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.