Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& }) m' h, e+ D1 k2 C/ `& f0 |我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, E5 T8 h) s  [( Y/ I! m又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% h7 }# m* G/ n5 q4 a- o1 C道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 I4 C6 q. l+ s& S( h
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% D* c$ P! G' J' j1 R/ k

& N- @' x* j. t$ Q8 z( hNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." o- z0 f. r" n- `5 S* Z9 K+ p& o2 u

9 _# ^0 Z! `. K& P% k  cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- C1 h: U1 F. Z7 z6 w4 c
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 g: p9 k. s7 W8 w真的!!這不是反話
! V" H' y+ G! ^; h6 }. n因為我是情感比理性強的人! k/ a: `$ [/ S. `: o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 ?+ h0 q2 I1 L, d1 Y7 F0 }6 H
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 c" j2 q# J% z7 d3 a
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 j# {6 y* K0 T1 `
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 ~  |& M3 y& ~5 x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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* O% S9 e, N* KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / m) v7 j( u) J4 `( X

  _: l0 n/ F4 g. ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! u& H1 L) Y9 G! r5 k, W* @  |1 Z
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ A" o7 u. b9 a0 R' e& v3 q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ N4 b5 x1 q* y* G) C& N* |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& e6 @6 S4 ?: V3 _"不信也沒損失"4 Q! S) |# Z. H  K2 X, y! b
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 V1 W; v; r; c9 X6 O  u" L: \but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: n% I9 }, ]2 E5 l# w& T. i
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it's starting because we have sins......
: s7 p  H" z7 msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' A' r7 z4 H) \! I( I( `our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
/ ]% H9 ^% Y/ Y5 T6 _" K只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 p3 G* I" b; ?# |8 d# p/ ?用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" H% ~6 }0 q6 i3 a這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ R- P6 v  y" d2 t, K! T4 H6 I
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( f1 t7 y1 M6 W- M' {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: V: y5 b; x- r, e% D3 ~- \導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) P7 Q3 n7 ]5 C+ p好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ u/ z$ k" S. S' D" f

2 A  R9 \% l7 x0 r- r" [3 ]5 y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 e, I6 ]5 o' ~' |5 W改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% x7 ^+ m0 y9 N. H5 D
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' u( _* ]; ~$ r" E6 g; @: d

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% k& U6 ?2 z8 s$ N9 n; l+ J4 w吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. S# r+ p, l7 X- k
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" _) B  L# Q$ j. B7 N9 D) [
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ E3 h. J6 c( d. @& V; o9 u  W

( c' n. p; [/ X' [* K7 b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ n* E" z5 ~8 Q; A

9 s1 H5 q4 V  R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 ^2 K$ Z- g) `' D, [

- r- ^/ C! `( X  Z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
; \) k6 G6 h8 h.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....1 q2 j! C  y$ d9 E& i
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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9 h4 o2 [' R1 D& T, m( P# iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.