Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ Q) {8 m- d6 j- g  \& c/ q- I我係一個連自己都吳信的人
0 `  c- e" c& S5 V1 a: r9 O+ Q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" d! \1 P+ e1 ?/ A道理我知道好多只係做吳到
# b/ M' p$ Y3 I呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 n* g" ~2 I. {. dNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! F' @; j* q# @- I' |5 N5 \7 j
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: v1 H, V0 ]4 k7 t2 U+ F. E

9 P+ C6 X0 Z' G- e" y( K. Bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 r7 ~& X3 f: ~6 S( r
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ Y5 o! G, K& c% v6 x/ V' g
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ c2 s' z% m3 K3 `我只不過微小的基督徒...................
, G* D3 o/ R/ ?9 T9 F7 \真的!!這不是反話
, R" s6 c: p! a  o因為我是情感比理性強的人: R& d% L- `  x+ Z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, z1 H! P' i; ]! u& m以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ A: e1 R9 L* H- D在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 h( _! g7 k$ W2 Q  T
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" {3 M1 |+ z% Y- b* ^: J1 t6 ^  Z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?$ `3 e- {: u- ]. H1 e+ c' {+ X, j
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 A1 H! H2 ^  i* U- k

) Q3 i' `) N' m0 |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 b3 r% n# E6 Q: [2 P" H

  P* D$ q+ g2 R! R& K: a' n+ r2 z+ lLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ ?3 v" ]) w$ x/ I" s0 q
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& V! N# P  n2 l, _# i% e) E6 ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) Q0 r. s% P9 V0 e& d. |"不信也沒損失"
5 z" g2 d# O+ h' S" u9 C6 _/ k+ ?Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. w* m1 |4 q$ O4 v) y% qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 H6 T3 \" v* s/ L" {
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it's starting because we have sins......# U* o8 Q& X' w: e/ z5 G! P( C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 W) K7 l! N5 ~3 \: z$ }% u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* O7 V9 X6 ]" b, U  |, E
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; y( ?9 K% Q  ~$ \( h+ p8 c用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 T  V4 d; L8 s+ M% \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 J' z, O, J2 ~% ?8 k
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 G. t+ @7 w' r6 [' i而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) }  {0 u1 w2 G( \4 x7 a1 b: l導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! Y, R6 F3 v" Y% d9 [+ Z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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8 S! u3 p6 d: z: r一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) P& ^& y8 z! l, v# o  Q/ T
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- N, ~+ B  y' R
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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9 }1 k: o) a6 t( Q4 Y( g$ c! S2 ~2 {宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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* x# k8 X' }2 M7 [吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 W) @( `# g- X3 b" ~# K) w
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  n3 m' p8 O1 v" K( R: u

" A1 M; G! j3 w以下是其他人的見解,
* I/ |7 B( X# e  _  L- P看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* R' ]- R5 T' i9 y% a" k* q4 G# B
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 _- p" m# b* `

( N+ a. D( F1 e4 r0 W7 W* s6 O我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& x  {4 K  Q+ L: v9 E
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ g9 P' k) @: J5 E/ J) g: i1 j
.............信耶穌... ...

3 i  O. R3 @/ F+ T0 [9 P; MRegarding the resurrection....* V- m' H. V1 e7 B- {) m( z

! g( P$ x7 q6 F) DActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.