Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 R" n/ j) }. N9 K0 t" \
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
( j) Y$ a2 V. n. U又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢% E. ~/ }, K5 o
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, a! l! j% y2 g# K. ?3 ]  _
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 C& {4 U. T1 v) B2 |
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; {$ D5 P* o: h* z5 ~struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: _: b9 K7 H& ^: c( Ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# w5 \% v7 D5 P4 T8 |4 w9 A4 b0 i) n
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( n0 f# o* F7 c/ a5 Q* \% b
真的!!這不是反話2 z" ^! e. y% C" V
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 ?& w( }4 B6 |+ N. L8 `! f
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 C! c+ }4 e7 K7 x! S6 L2 h
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( y, U4 L4 W5 S# ?
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: K' C& ~' q" Q* L- t# w* C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?+ f2 O( l7 O/ S: q  Z# _

8 ]2 U% n% j% HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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0 ~: f' r# ?. L+ _# t6 [I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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3 Y* f8 b, p/ gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' o% H/ g3 F; w9 H- g" H

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
! ~, d" v, D7 t: F$ j建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
9 [1 w5 z0 l1 N! f/ ~, Z9 i6 [Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......$ D6 |  k! x* P, q3 T' ~' @/ C
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * u/ s8 q) g" t0 C: l) J& T5 I
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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4 X* M) p8 ?$ k1 Q% [# I8 ]如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ ?$ T8 h0 V8 O' d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ d& a5 y( i+ s, R& w, R" h, M
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* ?8 s! U: m0 I- I8 ~/ n
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; ?: h. ~7 h1 h& K信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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3 R7 p$ l$ y' m以下是其他人的見解,
9 h0 u% J6 w( f4 U0 A看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- z) e: m6 D8 N+ J$ s3 G: ^- {1 \
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............  c% j6 d6 w2 h6 X+ n% Z& o
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, L9 o* l6 L) R5 `, x

$ j+ J- h- c2 L3 M我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 ^1 {+ t0 _7 d1 _% O- V
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# f  A  p! q- b1 g' U5 K' F/ s; s
.............信耶穌... ...

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! d3 [% I1 J& p& C! F$ dActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 x3 |* }1 m$ a" ]- i7 g$ i

, n8 D( E/ P' [( e5 F5 \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.