Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; U. T2 c/ u8 {" q" z6 `" ~
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
0 V0 u/ v+ r. L0 [' a又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; [$ b! `1 S- `# n
道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 j' D0 j6 L" o" O3 Z0 X; C
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! Z4 }1 @/ @  h4 L9 [: P2 vNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ p8 q9 O( g; H( u! @  d) kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 E8 Z5 V2 `5 k- H! k
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! A2 ]3 m4 m3 H2 T" Ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% P7 b5 _, f: x
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 {. ?$ I& }  O, n) C9 u
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人# d! G, T7 H$ b/ e' t2 w
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 _0 e; A5 }! M, J* d- V3 J. K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 M7 l; A1 g9 [8 G! w在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* X& C! g/ c" U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. N" L2 S6 R, R: L. UWhat a statement we have here?) v+ H( z1 a# u* Z0 t  G! k6 l

1 a( q, ]6 B  `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 I* L3 r2 A* f3 c
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& f# Y- ?3 p: Q# E9 F! d
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 e: ?+ k: n( u" r2 f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
8 d5 I( }+ o# N* T, XYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... j& r3 C& w$ Q; X
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......3 X9 h3 |% e5 i9 q% V$ w
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
) c2 h% Z) s' d+ vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* L2 t* o' ^: ]# f
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 q0 e- j. X5 ^3 h5 N: `% b
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 l+ o9 ]  S; w0 X! K0 @) a這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 W& r0 `# w% g4 O如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 O/ B( w6 Q# E  A: Y1 ]而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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% l) t* C* S- e8 i/ A導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: w1 L  j7 N/ l5 `( k
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 |! ~+ W3 c7 t2 {" w

' x" x1 N5 u$ P/ v( Y9 R( H0 I* s+ ?一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 P8 o$ G$ p- r; M' e7 i* }
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法4 N  @9 a, J4 q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... J' {2 N& \' C2 m# Q8 I' T" ?8 c

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4 d; W. ^2 V, D8 \7 r1 M. k吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 \6 K9 I7 V; X' `( M$ G
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- ]# n- d; C. A, V! P7 u" @5 C1 p
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以下是其他人的見解,
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6 {6 T2 N' u' o1 d/ w& U1 T[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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6 q- L* [3 B( y! E8 O信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% N! Y0 N% p1 O

+ B3 }' v* [  }; C( L: M4 m$ D不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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% K# X4 |2 r  z) T3 a我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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0 V) A8 b6 e7 z( S+ u同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) I- \& p1 N; Q- i.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....% x7 j( j  Z. M

7 e  m. {: i% d! E; ?, @( C1 [Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, {. R( y4 E! `1 J2 f% M2 \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.