Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 N( y- b: a( t1 q7 a  N& S( T
我係一個連自己都吳信的人: t/ _# y* Q; @7 i( J1 \% S0 l5 |" }
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) q! D3 R* }& C+ E" k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到: q7 F5 G7 X* i
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 O; u4 X0 h# w3 `7 y9 N/ tNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, n3 a8 P8 {* S" k, F

1 A  F9 p* i5 j9 PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  L3 h2 }8 [1 l7 X/ E3 `9 d* u

( p3 N) j  H+ q" e) E9 k0 q3 Q) Wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 c# b  j- I3 g- [

. M7 z! V+ d5 Ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; ^" d" A. Q, K+ V! Dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 @/ Y: t4 o2 K  @我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人3 s9 Q7 K% ~) n) x
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) O( S  F2 h- v2 {0 E
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ U5 M8 ~3 B" _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., R( Y" |* y+ e
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 P* `/ i6 f$ q+ Q/ n. w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?* [* @" \  e. o. g( \% b! c- E$ E
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   Y' E; D8 z0 K  k) I
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 S# P& t3 f0 Z7 x; B, A建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% y/ ?7 {* g3 z) B# u"不信也沒損失"
# O4 j, d1 u7 X5 |Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( d- a% T9 [2 {" Kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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& H/ B6 V7 N5 ?. d9 m) W, Sit's starting because we have sins......
9 `3 q8 T; A- \satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ v/ G' `2 f4 L1 qour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 m: ]) S. d# Y5 ~- |只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
. L1 B. ~: `; J( ]# c, ^: Q, z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  z3 D6 Y6 E7 p8 I- t" ]9 y
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* x2 Q9 ^3 _1 ]5 j) f. ]
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' ~% m5 a+ ?* I9 E. i# k而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ g& E% _2 g4 b, ]4 v# W3 L

6 {6 [# D0 \# O9 d導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! U/ f# E" A: C8 I
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
$ A2 u, z- \+ u2 O# u0 T改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; I2 v: u8 E, m# b$ k& c3 Z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 T& e, G, _! B, q% Y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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; z  T! R7 f5 v; W; b( g6 L7 H以下是其他人的見解,& ]$ k* A6 q9 e/ A
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: W% Z- c' ?" k) g# X/ d; e; U/ z

1 q/ K* p4 p8 d2 R, v信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 ~1 v" F' Z9 P9 O, c
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ L& Y0 ?8 W% K8 b& E

# a! j8 K& b7 c4 [4 n# U) ?我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 D% z% K7 x* S; E! S. n! q+ U
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 [8 w9 X& o; o# w% l$ L( N. O- ^
.............信耶穌... ...

; M3 L" R* a' F$ P# b5 N8 M. I3 G; HRegarding the resurrection....
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  y- [- k" z& uActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.