Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" `, X: R# u2 q5 l: @, O0 _' B0 u我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 P* m6 X3 G" R( B3 @; H6 O又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 I# b. e+ ~5 g6 F" j% _) m' z道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) k1 x0 A8 R, N, g$ h& [
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 P  ~: }2 O' M* }+ |) Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) a; G6 j% S8 |
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人% o% _3 I* a- L$ K' p( a; f
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& B; v: ~) ?' c/ x以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 \5 g5 u3 Z- ]* X6 k/ r& }在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( ^- C. r) }) S4 Z9 [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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2 G) c: @+ K( D! m3 b! _+ fJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! o; b& i( D% l+ ?  C) q/ f" y: RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- m$ u2 t! _, z1 G) w" ~) @$ G

+ P5 E' w7 ]5 ?& GLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ h; B' I' W: p- K4 E, L
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' |# g; A6 L7 B1 I! k5 F/ S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ b& X5 }/ k0 p"不信也沒損失"
' R9 A" ]% E2 H; d; F: rYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ M$ t% b3 }! H1 A$ C1 abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 S0 C, L4 }6 git's starting because we have sins......
, l: c) Z( [' C7 R# K7 S1 q2 w4 `" tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 ^8 P9 O$ M+ c" V5 ^, n1 M6 q1 mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; s1 u6 v9 I8 m  a3 c1 Y1 S: [, S
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; c& R7 o. \7 [8 Z' n% Z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. m) u  e8 J$ I% Z, o* u而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 q! ], U; m; Z5 w- w

7 i0 ~  z5 e3 F0 a& Q- u導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* R) {. M+ z7 a0 o( l8 _好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, }: b/ B: U; N# K
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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% V2 g5 @! b8 x' y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 e6 B! |- {4 S" {8 m! h  ]- y
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/ O" }. C' ~% S0 i: f吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' w) p& @3 S5 k$ [. M: ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 V% i& c0 f% i+ n) R8 I
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 V8 a9 j( \- K

  w& \) k! a0 J& B7 w( c同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, V( u0 O5 D$ `. J2 W9 k0 j.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....& T- @; a8 f; y8 b7 k) N
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& e- G% u# A6 R: a" l0 D
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.