Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 }7 j& S( ]0 i% P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人" |/ s2 u' N6 X, s% y# N
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 J+ K( l. g$ _9 ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ S0 v  R" V& r, m) k2 p
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# \( @9 I9 r' j4 C/ {% D8 c
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* _( b0 `4 o% n( N
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 M/ J4 T4 w, G( ^( I" y, xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
1 s8 v& |- h7 x$ o( X. ~2 H我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 h) l$ C7 I" s9 ^5 N
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ ^- q: W% q) Y, ~! ]8 u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- C9 z! Q" R% y! |
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." ^' h/ L% t/ J: v( \
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?  U& N4 O% g2 W* z- v2 b9 D

; p( }6 A5 c1 a: w# K( UJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo, }$ L, S; q6 I$ ?7 P

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 \* C7 W% X9 b6 _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: \; r8 J9 b  I# H) s( ^"不信也沒損失"2 I9 A7 N1 Z; @1 l3 _
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 ]9 J9 K3 c5 A% j9 C; [
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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8 ]+ o$ }5 q2 J0 tit's starting because we have sins......
% u4 h2 E' |; m7 t  Isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 k' Y& W, t5 M/ Z% j* v
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". H. V# `2 x* }4 M
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ H; v% D) k& S8 O' ?
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ u5 [) I! y# q8 x
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
# n1 Z# m+ c% |. N( T" T- p, K6 G- |如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 X/ @9 d& c: s而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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# ?2 H* [: G  `/ r5 u/ P導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." A- {: g" ]3 k2 G( s
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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: v( S) l. ~( _% N3 g3 ?以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' X: A! ~: s. |7 l2 A$ ^; T
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' @9 n# p5 N' A# t" ]/ N
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( \- ~6 B$ ~. p9 E1 N2 d
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.