Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 v: ^1 x; g* l: k我係一個連自己都吳信的人
6 _, z, o$ l5 n# B* E+ i% @1 u又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢  U5 D/ g! ~2 X0 D  ?8 B% T6 t
道理我知道好多只係做吳到* V( }5 X2 t  r* V1 s
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* n! |3 v  @8 J2 L9 `& B/ m" l4 ENobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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4 T$ ]. ~# P" h  a3 d: r/ t5 vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( ?. G8 t8 g% I9 u0 ?4 h

# d7 q1 C0 p, X0 k: q4 B- bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... a: R. x+ p2 a

3 a; |; Y0 P  Bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....0 v; A# d6 D5 H: ]/ a
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) `7 L" _3 O( M0 `. X2 w
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# o9 W& I6 J3 _' f以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- o7 S% e- W  f8 R; g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ U! V" A: Y* Y+ K& X$ q; k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- i- M9 s! Z  F% k1 C1 U1 S& LWhat a statement we have here?$ p" H+ k$ e$ e

' [: x; \# r* a8 h) Y1 b& ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." n4 z! v- M* W( p+ Z1 S
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  [2 Q4 D$ s5 m1 T/ u  ~

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 T- c. m7 H2 i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"* W$ B( O2 @( `" Z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 h/ i1 i! _8 n4 Tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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# Y2 E, D% O' ]" [+ {# ^- Lit's starting because we have sins......
4 E% m3 s* n3 x6 M) I# [satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- J: R5 O& }0 c/ F: Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 @: X/ u8 W& }7 M) c6 ~' m
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ V" h; L) N9 F! O* r7 z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 r" l9 m% p7 t2 e3 Z4 R' B4 H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ T* Q0 D1 [+ u: O: l
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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& C! c( ?! F4 Q0 a' h5 g美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* R1 K+ E. e+ a) Q6 v& u/ X

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 z2 r4 j$ Y, o" b1 w- L' i! b0 J
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" q! Y  C. |' r* X
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以下是其他人的見解,
: f5 ^# I4 j/ V( }+ Z( y9 o看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 G, d, d6 O3 H9 e7 U! [0 ]
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; H; j3 j( a2 t- V& r# K
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 j( Z' l8 h4 Y! J; s
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: i) S7 U, k( F  H  b

8 S! d2 }' H2 Q" a# B. z/ B我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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5 ]3 Z: u; W% }6 L同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 G/ t8 o7 `7 G
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....0 U  h: R8 \1 C+ ~
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% y! _! {" W/ B% S$ @
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.