Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ b4 ]6 Q( ^+ v: @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
$ m, q' p  C, O" R# z0 m又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 n7 i0 M* q; f% l( u
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
5 X( {( D: F+ T* u( r呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ n' X- [: Y& j. C* vNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  `, l4 t% X# ^9 y, J

2 `* a8 A( O. t: l+ a5 R5 H4 Z( E/ qNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 f) t( M. a! a3 C! {

0 t  R: s- |7 {1 zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....2 [0 I1 I! X* ], j, ?' O* J; E
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!1 x# W. `: l) n% M- M3 U
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% q+ |, \# n% ]; Z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: H/ ?( f+ M) j, ^9 `
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., n- b0 j* D, |7 }- i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! x8 L! O' k2 c2 L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 y5 p" V1 A5 d3 n, u* U% q( G9 }
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 Q, N5 n7 ?" ^# P& p

/ N6 {5 f* h7 J/ n+ GLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 _! R& i/ V" H% u

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  j" a: u# v2 w- j, m- M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% H  {/ H/ b- l, w5 m) Q"不信也沒損失"
- J6 t' A/ F2 E8 ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 M+ u) I! U; ?+ Z% I* p/ H6 d2 j3 y
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......" ~5 P# k8 b3 ?% F' P
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 l* h8 E" Z; ~+ r7 T2 g! M
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
$ e$ f* t3 |; F, b( V* t$ u# T! j( h如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) e1 H! G4 G! i: I/ M2 ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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* l( k, V. D. @, J; \導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ p. U: Y% X5 @& g  T9 U
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 `0 v- L. D- r9 ^3 j% q
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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. ?9 ?# j0 ~2 E' V1 ]宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具- G9 V# d) P4 H! c% t! x7 X8 U
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ E4 r( P) k5 X+ |, Z信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ x! Z, c) _! @/ K9 {' B' i9 X( P: E) t

  p# @; m( D5 `$ J6 N2 g) m) N以下是其他人的見解,( o8 s2 b+ d* V+ A; t) h- ^8 F8 _- |
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- Z# I3 J4 j# S1 _- M) e* T: Q
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 U6 z  o( o; l+ _# k

/ F2 g, `0 A) o信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& W1 z9 v' e3 v# h

, N- l' T& Z: l+ o: ?不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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3 b  U8 x7 j. `8 v/ G& [8 k" w3 [我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 D- B) x4 w! M( {* A
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) w2 v/ Y5 r. S, J7 _" Y
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....7 v3 Z2 [; v# w& x3 @* T7 F8 v

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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.