Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! r/ R$ d6 c4 ^# L% x  b我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 @5 ^( p# A& ^3 w$ G+ s" U又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ e. q, r0 F$ s! ?5 U( m& F道理我知道好多只係做吳到
9 \+ k3 _, w2 j- y# ^& B6 y呢D就係做人的悲哀

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1 u4 c2 t% X% s. `. ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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( h$ n9 F9 D6 a0 R1 A$ mNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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6 J2 F: s. `5 Mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 ~5 }4 I* D& U

* f& Z  ^3 N( i  W# D* }6 |5 c9 X8 `struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 v# {( f4 {4 X- y9 i
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& d( r. r8 j$ H3 `+ k; e- m我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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) w( U5 z, ]: v因為我是情感比理性強的人, X6 K, R& l% A& l
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
3 E% ~% T; f- Y: ~+ D+ w, a% ?以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# o4 ?& o, [+ `2 R% Y2 A
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ n: ], b0 L7 Y+ _: l: y" E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 t, V8 O3 y: UI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ m: x4 ~4 p2 r' f+ ~$ y4 v

' O9 I3 k/ h3 T! O8 oLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& a* A0 C' a9 ^+ {5 S3 s4 \# i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# q0 y- a; E( {& a( M0 @% k' H: W"不信也沒損失"- B6 X) \- @5 |. Q9 v- d9 p, L5 [
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 y7 U5 g  L7 ^but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: L, l& G3 ^0 E4 \% E

: s3 Z% S1 H# w; uit's starting because we have sins......2 ^! s4 k4 C, N0 j+ R
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ l. o- \& r' u* q
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 f" O' @; D- ]' K0 I只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
& m( r7 S" D* v+ n- z7 l9 s用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  ], X1 s( ]# g+ S; o5 o
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& I- a% [: v! B0 V9 {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 P$ |$ L0 u  z) v( X- F而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& w" F$ S% h3 I" Q; F
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 U0 [" N& }- i6 H0 T0 V  O  C: V好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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, x. A/ c) t/ w一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# X" G  I% }4 k
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  s6 b' e6 g# E1 v3 a0 f0 ]) c
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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5 H, p! c+ }8 v  y以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!7 I! C5 f( I% }  \

3 O; `2 w$ _6 L同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 D4 Y( q2 Q' K* U.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....! m+ j; h. w" f3 Z4 g& N7 A" {
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 X* |# C4 D5 C9 D+ M% k3 h

0 m8 f0 {' \9 OYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.