Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 p2 }- W1 p* Z) `9 t  Y5 H
我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 S* V' M! w, l; M% E' D( Z
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% K$ W* a- W, p) a* i) N, A道理我知道好多只係做吳到; O; e0 l0 R% V, [- d; Y, Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 ~8 y% E+ n+ E" N8 BNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 z& {# \0 K! p# F4 uNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; f+ P, R: x7 x8 ]' Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% |& k) \, r# |3 e& [' b' ]# b* G
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ f' }, P& d$ x" Y" ~8 B: C我只不過微小的基督徒...................
- P1 h9 |2 K* L真的!!這不是反話
3 B1 b, `; d" x) W5 \因為我是情感比理性強的人
9 e3 c6 v3 h( |. o$ }所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 X- H: E% O% d% L2 u& d以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 ^/ E; j' C4 ^4 R& i$ W! b5 B
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
7 o! [+ a: Y" Z9 D" Z( z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; j! ]% C" `1 S6 KWhat a statement we have here?# H5 ]3 W6 ?8 k6 t9 {* L
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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% a# V% l* H3 U3 RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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1 e3 `3 {. F+ K" z" K; u; o. oLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 c: s6 h0 d+ s: S3 a3 ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
) r1 @( V2 Q: {/ [Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ @# v% M7 B, M- R* Y7 nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
3 ^# N. T1 ^1 d$ Qsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us , z1 t5 R; A5 e6 n' q8 g
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
0 P$ c; L& o# _' Z0 Q. h# o5 t只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
( h! G" B- o% \3 F用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 {4 U+ \0 M. d6 ^  O# g# I這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) v0 c6 ~. X- Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 ]/ w( F9 R  ]2 y, g
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  N5 s' I6 c" h! Z4 r

: Q' c; l2 S" \9 M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ ^$ J+ g* u9 O, J- c% K& @好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 H8 |) _8 a/ k9 `5 ~6 N

0 v- @- j& C  y- v一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
0 }. l' g6 c( W; w改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 \0 G/ v) b+ A8 C美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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* m2 I6 L* s; c3 o吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. T, t2 p0 {5 f& U7 P3 |信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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# [& U6 ?% D4 g' X9 p7 |0 F以下是其他人的見解,& O& V! k7 c' A# I9 v
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) I6 M( k: \# Y5 T5 t9 {6 G
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( |+ u/ i$ G9 g3 Y
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! m+ z7 \1 o  u( A( O
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 _4 |5 F8 b- t
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: g5 Y) }8 X5 p/ w1 h- c% P' l: z6 S
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:2 r0 f  m8 d5 \
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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0 a3 N! O3 c6 e" L  W6 \7 GActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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0 g9 E4 W0 |1 o9 }; Z4 @/ M8 ?You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.