Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 X* b, J% \4 I/ _
我係一個連自己都吳信的人( {( J( _1 g, \- J
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 Z. S% i+ @$ \8 D' V# l
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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, v, d; |% K( q* oNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 H$ u. r1 [# u& ~9 p0 R% w- X6 kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% L; h# @! A8 g0 N" {8 Z  i: f% m" L
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 C+ Z% p( H! I9 X
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ z! g2 G) M: M
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ i/ I7 I: t( c% W
真的!!這不是反話+ c. J8 ]8 Z& I! H7 B) v& g" h' f6 p
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( R# a0 u& n5 I5 ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 i9 a6 k3 c& O2 CWhat a statement we have here?' ~, N7 V3 t0 u  {( J

' M( D! p/ e$ Q" v; w! gJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( _, x# B9 c# l  j8 x2 M5 {2 t
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) q1 R3 S' i2 Q% y% F
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 c6 l/ J+ I! C1 l0 M* C/ P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' y7 [! t2 O8 f"不信也沒損失"
8 n3 X: t1 `  M  w0 I+ GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., i: E3 ]: S7 W0 M' R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
9 K/ z- s* b- T& H  rsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' X/ C' G3 }9 x1 A
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
* U/ F8 v1 A0 ?* X只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: L1 g# `9 F0 A- p/ z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 ]5 Z% B7 Y. \; x7 m2 l( W* S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# T  \" N  n& L% L6 ^7 x) S
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, O) e8 q% h/ _7 o4 v3 n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 J# @. H& G7 f; L, f' T

. _# J1 }& [1 o, n* l導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% J) M0 {/ q& @! z+ l: }, ]7 y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ @; a! _/ ^; V' h9 x

/ s7 w1 n+ O2 m0 D- M. t一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 g: F  V0 R& I8 Y; a3 U
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 k5 `9 \+ L. F* e0 M美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ f; ?" _5 [2 |8 x( m) M' A
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
( A7 I- g" N2 F) T看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' t- w) b. F% o3 i

7 a/ {; t- G+ ^. K: z7 E信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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$ u8 R, a8 W3 ?" _. ?; Q/ m同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" f) }( g& |8 V- S( W: [1 b# L.............信耶穌... ...

% y8 }% U* ]! f+ v6 ERegarding the resurrection....
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. F0 s) P4 {1 e8 S8 H# w/ ]1 sActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& B2 @4 p3 x( ?( a7 x

! z4 y8 B/ v: u, M' o8 fYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.