Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- L  y' N5 ^2 Q, p
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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; V' f$ r' j6 ]! g4 ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 Q1 c2 d- r; t0 ?* z* R) Z8 w
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 w- D2 A) J- s! a8 b7 v- y5 y
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, D+ X. h' k3 ?cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 f7 j9 a# z8 F: d- _
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 Q( F( V/ c9 `+ P3 q9 X
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; c" O$ P+ z9 v1 Q; o3 f# X
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 A: C: _+ @: v

$ `' `7 `4 T6 w1 \3 R! G* B. }! zI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 p8 m# V4 l% G5 O7 H
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, y0 k; f6 K( e& ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( ?; Y1 f8 A9 e) z"不信也沒損失"
* m6 y2 H4 v& U5 r' h( R9 L7 t4 HYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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: a* G: `) ?: kit's starting because we have sins......' b0 y' [- c: k, t6 i7 Y8 i
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 {3 [) _5 B3 f5 @! _% a只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ p6 D2 e( O4 E) J8 u
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
/ \6 [$ Z" l0 K, d% X, r: i這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 I- M; j" W# @* a! B2 p如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 L) S$ Q  H" _而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 J  q3 G/ ~8 e& I8 A2 N6 A  p+ T

6 K* E3 s0 s, _: Q! ^% c" M! @導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 v- @0 a/ X- n2 V& a/ w! ^5 w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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+ ^4 L) J7 O, _$ q7 Y6 Y" H3 H一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 p; W+ u$ ~8 U' a# E
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 _8 c' C/ A3 `6 j3 Q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,% L1 Z- n, L4 A- O5 D2 I+ M" \" _- P
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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0 V% I/ q# B4 B1 h, m以下是其他人的見解,! ]. m/ @! O- G& B3 I! w; }7 h7 ~4 Q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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; A' h- u7 c/ Q$ m% Y& y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. G; v' \. J* ~; {6 s2 t

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ I, s7 J1 _: c# T# x.............信耶穌... ...

. N1 l4 _2 }  g* Y9 JRegarding the resurrection....: f% f- u9 ?- H+ Z4 K; j4 D
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  W7 f9 S: w, r5 }
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.