Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ K# c; D" G: F& x* y$ n我係一個連自己都吳信的人
8 r+ D* K3 ?. t" a( h0 t# M% \又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 Y) e- `: f, {8 R- ~9 e
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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' U, [- ?3 M; O( b9 i/ n6 PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( A7 I  }7 Q. E9 y# c6 W2 w

; q) V# j6 Z" umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# e0 N' a2 j( a0 z9 T
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 R- ^8 s2 }( {3 v我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 M6 l9 X) ~5 c$ o  G/ k
真的!!這不是反話3 J- o4 j# q0 k% ~7 \) x, v' i
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 B& S6 ?& _) T1 d0 |以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) E4 }- x, P' J. ^; C8 A. X% E  u" O4 q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; b2 k, w# J7 F7 }  C6 n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 G) v2 x2 N* r, o) u0 _' V) b  U% jWhat a statement we have here?- q$ ~* ^3 \, Y8 C- B- l

" N. `& u. i! K0 [0 O2 t' n% iJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 ]3 H3 X/ x" d- N) I3 J) s
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." {6 V; S8 _0 f3 m& K2 p8 Y1 H: I

( H2 L) B7 ^9 u3 M  r1 V/ H, [5 uLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 T" F8 z$ E, e5 y9 I

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( Y1 R* R' r2 @# I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
% [, [1 u$ a% I1 k; |7 @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: E* W3 K! u" b: _/ L2 e% ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 L7 l5 v( i: e' O! k1 D3 I/ U5 R

6 ^/ L) X  k% q( Lit's starting because we have sins......% x3 C4 w# R% Q; Y: q; f
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 U& V+ l  I  K+ m% c- ^; [; |
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( j1 u; f; e+ F; u/ a
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! i! P, E: k: g
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: C: x+ y" u- c" M  ~3 U  q0 @9 s; X% ^
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全! L* q1 b' G3 S* g6 P$ X' }! f
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  x0 Y% X, S9 B
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' m. y, {0 V' s6 _  R8 V% a# _5 G, H

$ h9 e" c8 |9 b% V8 `. A( b導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# s5 o8 L0 ~- e好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 O4 _5 A  K" ^) F8 D
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: g* P5 |6 x- L
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ @( o) ]1 x, i) U9 c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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5 O  V$ ]- R, H- Q; @& V以下是其他人的見解,
9 g9 V8 p. b6 v4 q看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: h% J9 s, ^6 l2 F8 f
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; q1 N0 \7 J+ x: ]7 p8 y

, ]5 u/ f. y8 \# w6 @! p信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 i. w9 Q" W- Q6 @- r) I- |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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) C  D7 \8 q. |5 b; e9 N$ Z: u我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ P2 i/ f& S  Z$ [$ o$ s
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ w% _% B  [3 p  A.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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  K5 N+ a! w5 {1 H1 h" ~8 i3 }Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' H( R: J, M; I# Z/ p8 z) I% t
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.