Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 H* d; O1 K- O3 C! m1 E我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ g2 i+ K  |( d9 B
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 B, g, F' i6 L道理我知道好多只係做吳到
. X6 t. ]! f, `: X9 _% O呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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" K- V" ]/ `5 i( R; {6 T4 j% RNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' ?" a* L4 u' m2 |  B/ o: o

0 x9 }7 p! D5 T: Q& K8 Y$ g9 V! xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 g0 S1 T% ~0 t6 O( e) V/ vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: A0 K; l" \0 }cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 d. q( E+ @$ v& _我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ |/ ?7 ?9 ?1 m+ G
真的!!這不是反話
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4 x3 K- B* a7 O2 A4 x所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 Y+ V( _9 U- R) @
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; O! P: Q- p# C" i
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# ]/ Y. `! _/ c( f, {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ L" U% P- G4 oWhat a statement we have here?) ?9 |0 T0 ~! Z# A4 o
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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9 R( t" g2 X) `6 L) rI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% W* Z7 P: f$ k, Q+ [2 w

- l# k2 h; |; t; ^( n- WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% ]( v* n9 ?0 V2 k$ @' `8 k$ q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% R" P1 t8 G  V3 F. v- w( L"不信也沒損失"
+ s2 w1 s. s0 X% t0 cYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 z8 |! g/ {2 U* i0 y; O$ {
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 n* _- X  \" Y2 Z" K  ~

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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' g7 M  z6 u% o- g* four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; R3 z" A. v$ r- w2 s只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 T& ]4 O' M- B( W' I* D3 |4 W用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& j$ Q# Q, s1 B* h" k( f# s
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 _4 ?9 b. q3 o6 h# h9 z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! W' D" j9 S: w7 w7 u7 N$ F而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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# J/ T& e, S! N: b( g導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 c3 r* N. w. {6 \+ u  a- a& d, Y/ H好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( P8 t, [! E6 [7 L8 s2 s0 H) |
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 h. d- l0 Q  K7 l
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, o- k9 k0 U# L6 T6 d* P; h" G
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, w9 y, Q$ U( A! ~  P4 l% ~

/ R' K1 r/ w- C2 K0 x2 O以下是其他人的見解,
, K$ j; U, J5 [9 r- z# r看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 w1 a# B) U# d; R5 E
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm, q9 m8 Q2 i6 F' p# J

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# `1 ~5 O( C0 d8 ~* q* j1 [6 l9 r

( \: J2 J: w' Q/ c; q% P$ Y  b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 v6 @$ f5 ^/ h& w7 e* A. O
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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/ }# N( J! Y& z5 G- e( `同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. t  K" d3 b) r% ?.............信耶穌... ...

+ S1 P, E4 _( }( XRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 l6 @8 Q; _! @& V1 P+ l& a3 b+ u: k
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.