Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
% R* C) D! b& u道理我知道好多只係做吳到
* O9 H3 U/ D7 w1 _2 h呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) F& D7 [$ m4 d7 l# zNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: u) J1 }$ L6 y; J- p
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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5 o! Q+ m- `5 B: I) vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' t% o7 |+ e8 l- _1 N& ?
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
: k, w: B. b! B( [9 C5 F我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 @$ o  l. g4 }* Z) `; P. z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  a" m+ f) T; P* W1 Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 h, Z  K6 q# G% o  `/ E
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  b" O: [; [& t& D4 M/ C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?4 p  p4 K% O9 L( K

+ E/ M2 Y7 ^2 t/ \; b+ b" C5 V4 kJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; p! X" b& ?' n7 e& f. m7 ^' Q
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 q4 Q, ^, b5 ]; V# j

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* }$ c% t9 w* a. I& |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 Q* U8 H. N! ~2 m, a"不信也沒損失"- T' g! ?) d) p" C" @& P# l" Q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." v7 e. m! f5 g9 S/ x% f
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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. {" ]' n$ M0 Y' b1 l: ]it's starting because we have sins......
* S0 P; T/ p6 t* ?satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 d# I0 G/ `8 B5 L" L
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 w; _. ~8 j; c% Y2 d6 F- Z+ Z3 G只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 o* V/ x  D/ i0 f" n, i
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; n9 O: R' ?% L1 w2 W- \& g+ H這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- k- D! X6 W% r* f5 O
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 V, G2 _; K0 I9 U
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ H7 v6 Q( D6 N: F! b
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,% d. ?7 S/ Y: t& r

8 P4 k) o5 }! {& ^" F) A. X$ i0 ~一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 ]* q7 L4 R! D9 i  M
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 B7 O) w7 m0 \: k
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., n' a0 S5 W' {$ Y5 ^

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) e' U( j- ]# a* Y, |信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: T6 L, N6 H6 v. F. N5 l9 _: N以下是其他人的見解,5 q( q1 d4 i  s) ]" j5 @$ r
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤# e  p, w& k& M( q: e  h; m
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# X9 m4 h- {! g+ ][ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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1 l7 [: _4 A) j  m% p7 G+ u. S同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
& F3 [& {- W* B% H0 r, v.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....7 g6 s+ T; k/ T  {# a1 v/ [

5 z* C6 l5 h1 X! {- L; A& KActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) w; S# e, R. L* B8 Q
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.