Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 p, l  S. B  K$ o5 J  |
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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8 w5 ]! W. a+ T2 V& vNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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7 H' @/ f( x# C% f# u) I: smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# _6 j2 P4 E% r/ t' e1 K3 x
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 {! B7 m9 X$ J" |* P' N: ?
我只不過微小的基督徒.................... e% I) I; z! o9 s0 G8 t( r1 F; J/ T
真的!!這不是反話8 s3 r" l! o) {6 U( ]8 j
因為我是情感比理性強的人. R4 a9 ^9 L; u3 P$ @) y8 v3 {
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. \2 y) ?1 c  g5 y% r$ y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ r2 N& X& ?6 Q- P
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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7 L$ a1 d- D* K8 H0 l! ]5 S" tWhat a statement we have here?3 \5 V' b/ ~5 y& j/ Q; a, \

: p# _9 q& x5 i5 Z( M% HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . \# c& ^8 D5 P, \; i

8 z# d1 J" |( d) Z$ @I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 {, w1 _: ?9 d  K

/ j  A( e1 m" h2 B, n' `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ Z1 z$ ^" F2 n1 S' p& B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"+ |" d1 `: Z8 n9 U
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 t% z* ~& U6 }0 y1 d" j9 h+ ]
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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3 X5 n- y: Y/ H" lit's starting because we have sins......
- s5 r% Y- j0 K# fsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / v' d$ D% R; }: U# O
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; l1 n) L3 r. Q$ r2 d
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 F9 k( A1 X5 j$ H# @

% ]" }+ R/ _' _; [( Q! e; f" ~+ l導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, C0 k- ^; A1 @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- `% K* D& P3 T% N" P
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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; k7 D+ L3 G1 y: Q以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm# \* ?+ J2 f) H) d& _

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 u2 _, x  j7 w' }4 _8 ^
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. n, q- M" p/ l2 D
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- ^; `, R# p7 T1 d( y) R; g) e

: C" x3 y0 ?% m同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 k* O/ A  I4 i- W6 d6 w.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.