Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 L- G  z" s) A8 M- a) Q我係一個連自己都吳信的人% J9 }6 W4 T7 u9 M% T
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ l" C  {3 |1 j3 y3 I+ @. Y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
+ S1 U( j8 I  j$ A呢D就係做人的悲哀

" b; H4 |$ s5 @: Y6 L" G- r' j
+ k& V/ l0 M: e4 aNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
- Q" Q8 i2 K3 o  K
5 }2 F: o8 Y5 a% y9 z3 FNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; b) E, X* T/ n% Z6 J

6 x- N6 g3 Y" B* m. imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  ?/ A0 {& K; t- r, f+ U; `* G
' _% ^3 ?9 I, O0 l3 q+ r* `
struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ x& [. p" M0 B2 l. C4 e
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* P+ c# L; f/ c1 M
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
# a) K- B  A4 @+ a真的!!這不是反話! z9 r& j! Q, Y7 h5 O
因為我是情感比理性強的人  p% S( T; N4 M& j2 f/ }3 u4 C
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, {; g+ t; B4 Z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 J' ?4 h2 T+ A1 j  `' h在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
- Y$ f2 u, A& u) q- p正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 ^) A" t/ j8 K  N# s4 r2 I: q: ^建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

8 q8 J9 S3 e( @5 {7 a" y4 r5 P4 b1 h( M& J/ O; q7 L6 F$ ?" e
What a statement we have here?$ e/ L" _  M9 k& R5 u

2 `3 ~8 c5 f# f3 v( M) H+ hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   P  [# t0 b9 ~6 A/ O

6 Y6 A% g$ X8 K3 V9 f! s3 R( fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 {8 S/ i; _, J6 c8 i, ]" k

- Z' Q: Q5 g7 }. pLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
9 K9 c+ v' g9 G4 Z, e; z* x' _1 ?6 U1 V( z0 |! m0 w
:cool:
/ g" D9 [7 \5 S! n' I3 s2 a0 ~6 t% g/ {3 l+ T
[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" v$ J6 s# |& x" V: R3 A' D: z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

/ |% z$ T# U+ B: ^4 n5 c8 L8 C  e  A1 S# D( x; z
"不信也沒損失"4 W! u+ D, s9 D& v2 I
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 N* m6 i" M: P3 Q; z% r8 Sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
" q4 s/ v6 t4 Y/ s+ h  s) x% i/ j5 @7 a7 X: _# i
it's starting because we have sins......% J" {3 z* j% T( ?* k! o$ [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & v8 K1 v- T" C: f
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
+ @$ ^2 `$ r. @3 K只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,. B1 T) k  A- K0 d( s  b* e
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 a& ^# Z/ e  u0 t- A, \
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. F5 h5 {0 L% d如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 |, p" k! F+ d7 H  S( t6 U" A0 O: n
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
, {1 @* S" P: X/ t3 `+ h' x9 ?8 s* z  i9 a4 i2 S6 J: p
導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 {( ]& U) p2 U, Z% v好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
& p/ N1 F0 L+ ^5 Y7 t, m/ Q' a5 A& Z6 _
一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# |" F( s, T9 r: P7 D5 u* U, I改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ C( N0 p4 w2 W7 R2 c. [
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: [1 n% j/ k, A* g3 b

$ u2 ~! V2 b8 G/ R! G  Y* W# [宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具7 R) F! R  J9 ?3 x4 N
' b* X6 K# L( _: B
吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
+ r9 n5 D( g1 @6 M信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
$ q0 w) }! u6 q! w  t$ _* X  Q9 |+ B/ x5 ^. n2 k( j8 \% M
以下是其他人的見解,, y0 Q: a4 g$ r: ]! y: ]
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 ~5 }& i5 _: n( y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm& v1 f, Q% n4 L: E. [! s& z! b+ [# M

' m* H0 W6 W! ~! i1 |[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 S4 t; Q$ j7 }

$ c, A( L* I9 z* h3 r/ M7 n, T信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
1 C# w  l! |2 P' d4 _. z- q
. ?5 C: m% B7 a5 T% @, P不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 N: I: Y% ~0 l
' b4 ?9 |. a% z# {2 M
我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
: b/ K' h$ s: ?9 a: ?) D  c
# D4 D& `3 i0 w9 r同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; n4 b0 B5 e6 ]1 R
.............信耶穌... ...

5 N# F; @: r4 k$ s$ N0 {; Y
Regarding the resurrection....% n4 F- Z7 c* M4 T

/ r  ^( l; J! K4 ^Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
5 @" S, s1 n) n, P1 \
7 ], M- }6 F8 U8 ~7 D( ?1 K7 BYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.