Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  W  \  U; \) U* p, |. g我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 H! j) ~  Y0 L
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# g8 k' y* E6 _6 I$ c$ H: b
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 m0 p5 V) U) f5 n! w+ O) x

6 g8 I% k) ^+ M/ x2 Ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* v2 {7 _# h2 O7 h2 Y
我只不過微小的基督徒..................., X( v. G" m3 s2 p7 J
真的!!這不是反話
# L) k0 O" H; I4 U8 q' Y因為我是情感比理性強的人% s5 h' _9 V, c9 {
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# _. ^. G* T4 X; b4 P  d) q+ [' u& @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! C! g& |6 [+ M, G- Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 A' F' Y0 b& H% |' L, @, `# J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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* X* |' q  e" n1 p5 G$ G) s1 v( Y, Z  XJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., s% R/ L) _. d7 w: e8 g5 h0 E4 A

! t; Q, \% \  {$ J8 S9 ]/ }7 OLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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  y' P0 P  T/ c* n, \"不信也沒損失"+ I5 S% w: u$ F/ K1 f
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 \% f5 _. @' O/ B
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  J) J5 b/ z: o0 H

. K  N5 g2 w5 F0 q7 Oit's starting because we have sins......0 J: }3 D3 D% f8 j
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% O1 ^- H8 T4 f, x, R5 @( }; z* rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* c2 ?/ U! y; C1 I# N! J
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( C! j5 G! x/ w% ~6 C
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. O( o  c: N6 _/ h; {+ T- ~0 [
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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9 f1 M2 M0 i# E. {" }3 \導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. ~& a0 ]8 m$ v0 C0 U$ I5 P8 I好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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% w; u* \2 M0 `1 }一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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+ T; Y0 m- n, F# ^6 M信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 @5 Q: }$ R  z/ p
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 B5 ]' j% m! }6 `+ m  B: g

+ f- o' C* f' y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ ^) A1 \2 v! Z9 ^( Y/ q/ ~: G不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* O8 H5 u6 t8 h! ?4 t9 D" ?
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& k* [/ Z1 h: l# i+ k+ [. r

/ d6 U- n7 L1 R* W1 U同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  T+ ?: X' Z* }# p* }" p4 O
.............信耶穌... ...

+ ^. j2 h; V0 g1 V7 D  r: DRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 Z' b1 ]5 j$ D9 }. ]1 A' M

5 d& N9 A% M# d* H  W) CYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.