Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) B6 M( M. q& c- C我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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7 u- |& W1 G6 j  A& h道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, ~4 ^2 ~7 W0 B7 |( Y" N呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 a+ w) k2 x. S; qNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 `1 }1 f" x' I7 r8 [
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... O& j: m% r' {2 G5 j/ S* T. b

) @+ C* Z3 U) c9 Kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- J2 p& T, C6 ]6 S, S
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 G  I' U4 j8 d  Q. y" ]8 hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 r6 N) k* [' x# t, g  I我只不過微小的基督徒...................
9 l4 D, Q5 S* ]& K真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% h& y2 }# a7 |2 t% Z
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  \3 E5 }! ]& Q/ q7 T9 M# H建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' K. K7 A  B4 G6 M! y: p' m* [What a statement we have here?1 i7 \7 C$ u& a! a1 ?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 t7 ~# Q8 X: D7 C
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; j! ?6 B6 [6 \! C1 r) n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% t4 w2 W. ?0 @6 ?/ P2 I"不信也沒損失"
; K* F" u0 B, w, i! ^8 @7 T7 WYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....$ J! J* {' Y/ y# ?" K1 A  r2 ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......6 [. D. I( Y5 g
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
1 u/ _2 u; j0 X8 m$ F- ?our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! G( g! h- p- e5 S6 _
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% b; K; ]& s6 D! N! a: n- {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 Q" h# ^4 Q/ m/ ~, P5 ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 |3 T2 E, x; B( k6 w; q, m; [; h

% [, s0 y$ `6 j0 I3 N- u4 Z  N& M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 p: J4 O2 Z. E+ b, |' l4 \
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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% z3 t3 e$ z* R) B/ |一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ L- v; f8 S" s3 V& d% B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. i9 P$ _9 D) V' ~% W1 O2 f! d
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ n* K7 K( M4 _, L

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( w/ v- x6 s* A吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 Q8 v  }* f8 ^" Z" e我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: K& y& x; b" d. h. G$ u1 ?
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 ^1 O  z" A( _/ I" B* R1 t# q2 }) o# J
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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/ s: a8 \( e" C5 K; j7 y. z) yActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* ~. C- r- L" V: N7 AYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.