Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到, C' \2 f; t% I3 b) K6 I
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..../ h1 {3 _; m. P; g7 P- E" L9 R
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- u( E# D* g5 F
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 L3 t  [: Y) f, f以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) p6 H0 r& H- {) H( \
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 V/ l) s$ z8 t( e2 g1 e
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ j  l6 Z: b$ L: I  G0 G3 i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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2 a+ {+ o# |; t$ v  dJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . Z4 L3 }1 ^* M* @* \6 _

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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ ?  i& X1 h1 _) Q& t" T1 v

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" z& c$ L" ^- m0 l. \: r
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  }: T( R8 _- l6 l) u7 G8 @$ h
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 M( }- C, K+ b$ R& F! `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, A: Y3 I$ p  g. d' q$ `1 l& s* j
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' H0 D$ c4 P" L: O這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) S- Q9 ]% B4 J$ I$ j' ~: I
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: S! s' X/ M2 h, w  O+ ~而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 A! [# D- y& b5 B; L導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 b/ h, z" C2 J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,) u5 a) @7 Q  ~  c7 `$ }+ E; Q* y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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7 |! V5 S6 J/ a信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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. \9 p" l6 z- i/ J以下是其他人的見解,( y8 P" i# d9 P" l7 T/ z$ I( P, b0 B' P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* Y+ o# q, u* Z1 h
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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3 N, `! j/ C9 M& H我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# C4 t" M3 J7 {& H.............信耶穌... ...

' I. z  d% s4 q8 t+ g/ pRegarding the resurrection....
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( W! P  u+ B- f' RActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  K  T5 |0 N* i$ F  k  B! Z7 `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.