Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ E% M$ q% K) H3 U
我係一個連自己都吳信的人; [/ ~+ u, S# T# w& _7 A; ]0 S% k7 I! V) M
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' Y/ }3 F# ?' I$ ~* [2 C
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, G& U7 X2 @4 m2 f" l/ R
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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  F6 J! g7 `$ }4 HNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 w/ {; T% x0 L) Q

8 V4 _, F. r9 L2 qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 |% d1 Y( e; `: G
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 J( ]* w( Q2 n: g& ~- C我只不過微小的基督徒...................
' o0 [" L' B& Y4 o真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% O8 E" l$ k' a5 o  M以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ q5 t+ I; u0 m7 `* s- q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, l& y( t* K* j, \+ ~' _" {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?$ [4 }1 r8 \7 s9 m' V9 `
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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* Z, H; i# W3 j4 @, PI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; D9 m9 e& K! ~8 b) f
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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* e$ ]7 A4 _) ]( `& Q, x1 c) c"不信也沒損失"
  v/ l' A9 K1 r0 P7 ?9 b, F2 VYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* C; e- i+ x% o7 M- Y0 \) e- jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 Q& R' S( x, U5 `) d
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it's starting because we have sins......
  R+ U, T6 `) F1 m6 jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 ?$ s3 S: Y0 W5 @- _1 G- W
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ [! H& ?: _" ^
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 _( P8 p) G" W( Z. ]
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
% q9 m; ]( V4 J; d這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ u2 `2 W( r+ X! J- y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 }4 R7 [" j: s
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 R" A7 a: ~  R" A4 u$ c. f

& C" t& S+ y1 ~+ @* d' E導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ h* F9 r+ }  u3 Q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 s5 n1 c+ H0 b: G  B( Q$ B" t
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 p- S( H; ]3 Z* o9 E美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: S- v; T/ v0 l+ h$ X; q5 J

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+ t% C* a' q; y3 N: |$ j) O. r) Q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ `7 L0 [0 ?$ g
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  j- V6 o+ B5 x2 s. U- X3 u
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以下是其他人的見解,9 b  K' d2 y8 b  i
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 G3 z7 _) q/ @( |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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( _4 O& {6 I9 I( u" x* E& `* F& Q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; w5 F& u% \$ f4 R7 z

' ]! ~+ m, W* Q# R* d, n6 V同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: O+ v6 ?' M' i0 d4 n
.............信耶穌... ...

1 M$ D& k, [* O- p3 z" t* DRegarding the resurrection....
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3 R, K# B% n; R- xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 u. w2 j% k7 T/ p: ^5 lYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.