Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: k! {; `$ w0 U% B4 O) ^) ]
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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; C/ m$ V( e3 h0 |9 V& L0 H8 m道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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8 P- J8 F! s0 ~  U9 HNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& y- G# w, t3 z

3 M2 \5 U- {& ]/ ?4 @Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." \4 i4 L, M; G& L& P
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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+ P% O' R* S1 o4 Cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, x% S( \/ P0 a0 G1 Pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 M8 h- B. R  L5 y# k, ~8 O. i我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 x/ w* q/ a; t1 @2 e
真的!!這不是反話. a) J/ X( G. l1 f- h
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! S% V: y; N* c1 a& G0 v以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 x; f2 Z9 X0 e, \3 [) j在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 e0 d6 X5 \( p, F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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- ]+ C! V  m! U- s: y2 ~! N. j( ]; BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." B% D1 V/ {! Y

4 J' F( G* J6 p- hLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ g. ~: ?  _3 T' C* g7 k: N

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:+ h# d4 t6 h" z. @- s8 D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# B! T1 N& Z! i* A0 nYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......1 j( N2 d; j9 W
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us " c) Z2 T$ o) t+ |) Z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 a0 j2 i8 h6 Q0 F
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  J- ?1 \5 |% u+ t4 H- n& H
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* N0 y0 u5 Z& C9 }( l這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( l6 T  D/ B5 K. C

; m* C  i- M: T" [導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
5 P* q3 h8 j8 F& S7 \+ b改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% ]1 g" s- V2 V" M+ C+ `+ X. I美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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- C3 S2 O+ {0 ^+ @% [信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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% }. ?9 {# C* `2 }/ x. i不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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5 _; A. J" h& O7 [3 O我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: v( k0 v# p% \; m) t! F4 X0 ?
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. m, G9 ~3 z$ {: D9 d" s  a2 I
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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( I& O1 z# Q4 Y- k! b! k' c, p7 ~' `Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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; {1 Z( v% Q5 |You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.