Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- [! P( f4 a  X0 i1 K/ K
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 T& k+ Y3 T+ U! j+ i3 R+ m% \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- O" [; U7 p5 Y! vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# T, v3 n) V0 k! O- X8 h

& @  P; `- g3 d0 x6 m8 ?' jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( O- J& Y0 I2 g( N2 m
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話3 j& Z4 c- s* V2 i8 A9 y- t; J
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 }5 N; O# }* y4 S" c4 y0 ^
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 U8 Y; a5 \6 Y; J
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 d: }5 G7 `! z/ {% ~( m+ i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 X) d: }  x; yWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ @4 z( |, E) _( ~8 N4 D+ O
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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  w( `$ p4 \" }"不信也沒損失"
$ J, ^0 n' t) \5 t; a9 j: [Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., M" g9 x( L; P% Y  L* H" D
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% w* H) _. u% J  }9 `) X
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it's starting because we have sins......0 i- q+ l9 U8 I( V: P9 V! b6 W  e1 A' G
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ q$ z# \6 |% `. y) ^% g3 Hour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& Z7 T  h+ K0 g5 b  r如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; d: }4 e0 ]2 B9 i' p, J7 ^而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 q" K( L& v" g' Z. P3 d2 e
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& c' y) d, X$ R; v8 I% r+ M
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 s7 v- i4 ^- x* t吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( g  e' {6 C9 k! J. Y; A- F; M信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干# Y4 S0 E  I! K6 }9 y6 y* Y9 H
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以下是其他人的見解,7 j4 l+ b: C" J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 J$ ^) Q/ H$ y" n2 T: R
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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9 l& }; A) u+ X: w& i信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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* |" x0 K6 l2 G2 |" l5 V' j# Q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
' P; I5 f# R1 \! g) @- \) |.............信耶穌... ...

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9 z  I5 E, S4 k! D, o9 H. [Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! k9 n. p% n1 @1 E2 b
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.