Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 ]* Y: |5 i3 h$ q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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( O( P2 O. x* ]* u5 S# @$ j. U: E3 e道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: q' d% {- y) g: l, C4 c呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; H- U) }# f: D# n! `0 Y) t

2 B8 V" V0 y' Q7 T  jNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( x$ L. P1 ]6 V; U  a0 j' a3 x3 m7 A( D
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ L+ i* j2 a; @$ v8 @1 ]: v; [
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 k- c; _; w; echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! o1 C) W2 R5 k" Y3 K
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* b+ V1 S% ^$ \6 N: @
真的!!這不是反話% G" T1 q+ Q+ T* J( ~
因為我是情感比理性強的人3 q4 x' w! H) ^- h& _* ~# U
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* i3 m0 l6 k0 o. n. J4 l) I9 u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, W1 i4 W/ ?& y/ n在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* ]$ _5 s# u" Q" H; u: B; `, `- q- |. w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; E! ~2 h+ K" g; j
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ D( c& q$ I: L6 M
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
8 \. Q  L+ |9 l% a建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
! J/ W/ d: M$ v* y* MYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 A9 m: m! g$ H4 w( @9 C
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 A$ `6 H* }- n7 T: v" k用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 A" o" E7 ]5 e& W3 t
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: G7 i# B+ y( z+ f' r3 V- m
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; {- K5 ]# w- `( v而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. |8 M  G% _7 x1 v! j/ m
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 J; k; F% D  u& W2 N( V2 k0 P
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' K' c1 a6 p+ |" W- t( l7 K$ T
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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; f% L8 E5 k9 R/ Y" r宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 n" C2 \6 u+ z' a9 e吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) P8 k. p  n# N7 R1 @) s
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,  D/ l1 `) ~4 m
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* N( r0 h8 a3 |1 e7 }
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 N3 U- A. z/ L0 A

, I( L; L  ]9 i  Q+ J1 A信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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( O; J: T) a# K7 N& N不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. Z; ]# _3 n/ B6 ~' y$ d同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& g) F# |% j1 B' ]
.............信耶穌... ...

4 A# T$ a4 B) S! l4 v2 ?  \" W" }% vRegarding the resurrection....
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! a) a/ M: Y8 S8 [1 iActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.