Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 G+ C) [/ h( q2 C% D我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 h' w3 K# w% F% i, L
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' c. b3 \, t4 H) s8 X道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& y8 u5 [- j, l8 D/ b0 ]3 [
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% U& P1 n, x( z( D! e: _
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 `2 k1 P* b: o
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% e. r' _: W8 y/ q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 \9 B8 r. `$ c: T6 T在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 s2 w7 f5 g" ~/ X4 |" \
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ G3 P  J3 v# S+ \! V+ `! d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ H- N. Y- f; u. o' t! {What a statement we have here?
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; G% @% Z! P3 |3 kJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; i8 H" B! E* r$ K5 D( B
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 |  M0 ~: k; w! p) x2 j8 g0 s; g

4 P! s( \9 y  U: C4 u6 Y# aLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 l$ V8 o1 _* G( O; j

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 V1 S0 h  b$ I6 A1 y  C( o, `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  _9 q; `! j% {( W* i# @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ [& F4 s& @) y: E8 B$ S# Obut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ O8 ~4 i* P1 X* }( W# A
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  I& M* P- \0 f# k
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
  x* v2 R: X& L1 L+ X3 D; w用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 l8 F* ]* J) i4 W! ]. K0 n5 j1 P8 {這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 k$ r  B& d' Y# l如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 \1 B. u5 m2 K; t8 h5 z* i+ D
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ e# f/ x, I% x% ?' w$ h
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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: y0 p* T- R8 U$ R; K' I# S一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 j( R/ A' R$ N0 {2 T改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ u$ I6 F( O+ a* H. R3 W
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  g7 E- D5 s1 K$ u- @. m6 q

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 A5 L8 O$ [5 a
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 Q( ^4 G7 ~/ W4 }7 e" r

- d  g+ S- p+ {, P3 `5 ^2 S: u以下是其他人的見解,; V) r  u% d+ @4 \
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 o* ?/ h! L3 c7 R: Z9 e$ n
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 E8 Z7 _! p0 d7 G" k) Y- M1 _
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' E" Q9 i/ O$ `- {9 S

2 j5 h1 S. Z$ I+ K3 t5 q% p7 W4 O不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 m! u9 H; a! @0 ^

2 r5 Z; v2 ?% v我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ ^: q9 f2 E% j4 {1 z( Y) s& \* s
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! m+ X2 r' Z3 U8 D1 V% V$ c0 M
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....4 n% B" Z) u, ?7 Y

. K9 A1 M5 ?- u' N% B. ?Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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. t7 N4 G8 }. z7 n# lYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.