Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( p7 N% R- {6 [" R我係一個連自己都吳信的人
6 P2 ]0 |! n5 u3 p6 m( H' {又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 P' e3 |% L: {6 K& O道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 j) t  `) p8 U" F/ _
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- H5 ?4 ?4 w3 d1 y' \( f1 u" I" x

5 H! T( f$ i( |  {, n6 T( U2 qNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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! D7 _2 t) }7 Emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 P- u1 j" @. J9 T3 }* J/ H/ |
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 R, o* l! [& m; _* r! ?cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 y" X/ s# m5 }1 D
我只不過微小的基督徒...................* z" o( o- d1 `9 }/ r  W
真的!!這不是反話! a7 ?9 z% [% J; Q* @. k. g
因為我是情感比理性強的人% {* j! K# j) i: a
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! u' S1 z' T* b$ a9 _: z以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# |0 p- @/ ^& }1 y+ J
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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4 E4 A1 o2 M& t% Q0 NWhat a statement we have here?* m8 ]) f2 g, B

0 I& Z- m( l9 K4 i4 b6 o$ k5 aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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9 X4 t) P; Q! A2 e3 {I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 m/ K- `( S/ b( k. c) sLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo/ ?3 c% }8 V: ?1 J' M" a

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
, Y* N* d6 z3 A7 ]0 ]: O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# w" f3 S: A5 D, S$ m5 Q" KYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* p# t7 X1 ~# ]; g8 qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......- j* z/ A" K% l. C% H' _6 `1 i
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ v9 |0 l. H3 G2 U: @our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", `! p2 n7 g/ K, @1 f4 r% t+ @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ J0 `: v# Y4 p1 Z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ U4 D- ~, A, ?, W+ {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ V6 H8 R& t; Z1 M( n

: T1 h4 {- s6 s# p, _導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* n1 d, g8 e6 M6 G; ~. ~5 r: B' T
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
- V0 G! L9 Z. s+ M* A改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* E% h& K( A' L7 V. C- S% t1 I美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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8 H. V# _  v5 v; w+ s宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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6 ]9 W; l4 f/ {8 d吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,: c4 ^1 J" n* s) A9 H/ x
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,9 r# p1 u- _6 s& G8 L$ _* f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! _9 l+ }: E7 X* ], p' @
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 n& ]: V  |; s2 v$ l9 x2 W5 Y/ [不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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. Q5 S, x" j6 b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. f. P8 X. c. v3 A3 x' n同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" g# ^* b" f4 ?6 O3 D& v# n.............信耶穌... ...

+ ^! T! o. v- v1 d, K- n( X% qRegarding the resurrection....
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" u+ o. J: H8 OActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.