Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- o3 o$ g/ |, l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
. I( @  D8 ?9 s" T. w4 |又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
( B( |  T9 L+ y1 y7 _4 |: M道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 W' o/ `+ r, }  J
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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! ^2 o. [: b" ], x/ r1 Ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 ^( Q- ?7 D' R6 }6 D5 z

9 `6 P5 h! k# U+ Z0 ]; ?8 |) ^4 X8 Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 {( A/ H, a! D* p
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! J; ?3 x; {3 Y- N0 ^' j以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 A) Q9 X) {' `3 j- p8 ~1 J) U在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  S3 |+ P8 K0 K  _+ @1 V6 o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, T% P0 h2 q- z; b: C. X) C: p. q5 b

, X) O: l% p# Y. e4 KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . K7 \% _9 m" A1 ]5 R/ k  g

4 E7 [$ X: c6 NI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( v7 ?, r7 ^: y# W- B/ [+ U/ R建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
- G1 `% X; ]- ?/ V" Z4 a' yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( P( }! C7 o/ z7 N+ R: x' f
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; B$ C. A/ L0 m3 P
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 M0 S( s/ ^: O0 I0 k4 }只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
) {. f1 i" J/ I" |7 y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 E6 N' @9 y: q$ s& ?, |# y這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 N* X3 T, E1 J6 P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 W- e( a% C: q6 i; p/ K3 n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
7 I) g- \1 c* a; n- T好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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) `6 P2 O  [. S$ n一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ _& v1 j' i, h( \3 n% d" j
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 C: {3 C% O1 V! i& f1 j1 O美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( }' @, b9 f5 t0 j3 q  j" ?

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
' `1 D7 D2 p- o1 n0 D. q( A信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干, `, i1 H3 ^% L7 i

+ I' @5 K, p. ?以下是其他人的見解,( ?, w& K/ l' W; z0 c& Y* f( @
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* i% G, p# ?* D! K7 B
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ u/ F) Q4 d4 ~' X

: J3 ]6 M6 Z/ j; I- e不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; F6 B5 ~! N1 y9 ~- ~7 O我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! m# u$ P, K8 H

- u2 |3 v' _  g8 \2 h3 g& ?* `同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# n$ b7 Z2 u' b+ G$ [$ v! W.............信耶穌... ...

/ y- t7 P1 q5 n) w8 m" \Regarding the resurrection....: m$ B6 {( N) _8 B9 o! F
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.