Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 h3 _4 \1 S, k/ n& [& g) w  [我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 u8 w* p- M0 K! I  y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' `) ~3 ?* o) d  ^$ W. L
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' m# f2 [' Z+ n. j- G. O5 y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( e+ \" l# i1 R7 s1 v& rNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! S; P* j( F" e+ t
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....1 r, O& F$ O7 p2 _0 j
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& ?9 {! v3 _0 R+ U$ b
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 l1 s' w7 k5 i我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 |$ O) w) X+ M! a" P
真的!!這不是反話
9 t; Q+ \/ [( Z2 M2 s7 D1 L因為我是情感比理性強的人' U% M! B; J/ E+ P- n
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& K% Y) ^  f/ |, t8 `& T
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 T' x: e! L# c# b: x/ T! o
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 U! Z# N; C) [- p
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
& b+ N. V9 V7 `- n7 s1 Q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?2 U/ ~/ x+ k" H8 k5 v: F
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! [& ^) y9 p% ^+ n. B; `. G) e- II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 C7 o4 g6 D/ f8 w! t/ u" D) H

7 U8 s/ N* N" ~  Q+ p0 [5 gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 S1 n' e1 j' W8 o  P8 }0 r
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( b2 b' ]9 B9 b& i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 t1 o: a6 `$ e" T"不信也沒損失"! [+ A( G; [+ B- z- t
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; y" f2 U3 z: N0 u6 w
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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: o8 ^2 M6 h0 n* v( \( Z; _- Uit's starting because we have sins......
5 {6 g) ^1 i1 J% o4 I* d1 vsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. W5 f* H. _( p' }) i8 K& Gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
6 `% ]" n& q4 A( m3 l只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 g4 c0 n& A- u: t& ~& y! M用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- _1 \# ^0 F% O# p9 J
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ v$ O# w: b( ^( I
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ P/ j& M! H( z# S+ |$ C* s+ l- O而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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( _2 v; D) F: ]. x" ~  S8 i導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 ^+ s- x* |+ V7 g1 m7 L9 f% R
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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4 r- v0 F0 i  h, H$ b# V一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 C3 s: a, W/ {# E) y8 L
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
( w, I! W: j. y) ~& X9 S美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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. T" J4 O7 x% y% C; z- z" b% ]% a7 i吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! `/ G+ f: ?' K$ G9 |% H2 o
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,/ t- b$ z. ]1 x% i& q" \
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; |4 h  d3 d  J7 e
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 D- L6 b2 [7 h  E5 I! h4 ]

# F5 Q; \7 p# E2 o; n- i/ g9 @! T. y# r信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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# [  k7 J; p1 I5 v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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8 o# z3 W% f, z. \) m我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 Y, H) [7 s) N2 u6 n

+ S8 t; s. V4 N+ R* M' N" y6 e同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:2 D; f/ M9 X) }( L
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- [$ ]- a  ~1 q0 O3 P( N

" I# l/ }* b2 m4 N9 b1 iYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.