Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 I4 W" D9 c9 M% T+ t: X: Y( W我係一個連自己都吳信的人, Q( y" j, e! z+ s7 R
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" O8 |0 \$ M8 B  l) o* c7 C0 G) u- F道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! U, ?; `0 u* V, t呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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1 G: P' Y( y  M( j7 cNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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8 g; `0 v9 ^4 S  w' G) R. omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 h' [. M2 Q9 m+ Z; S  R8 r0 @7 F
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 i9 Z( H& _4 w  v' ^' mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  U7 j6 @* |' F6 c' L
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, T( l  {- }( E* L$ y0 T) H以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) S! j0 o) H8 M: g1 c, H7 V$ `; ^在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 |5 ?4 e; J* ~' U
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) [5 I9 G6 o$ M$ [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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% Y3 @- @3 \/ W% w: n7 FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) \- S: \, y' ~. \9 M" v9 u

2 m/ _* N0 A1 h% uI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! Q6 k4 ?9 f2 T( j

4 @3 S' g/ `" J: u0 wLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( g* c* m- d0 N0 }7 g: H# E( v* v0 ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
- N( {- c% ~; p4 L! ?4 }Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; ]7 _5 W; B% i1 a2 J0 c! q2 zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 h( T9 b& J1 O- B! D* \* ?

3 L& l' w, ]* U3 m7 G* u$ P7 Mit's starting because we have sins......
+ V: ]- B* o  nsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ A" P/ Y% p3 l; ]6 Zour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 A7 u7 x* A: r$ X6 J
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 I* t5 J0 W9 j, t
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 O% U# E5 u- Z- r' h
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
; [% ]( `: c  ^# E( C7 m% V0 e, H5 r7 G如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," B6 Q$ `, z0 b5 o( `% N& W; q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% B6 ?+ @- U& ~3 t
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,5 S/ O/ k# ]$ e4 k6 T( i- m
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) d  [. h( a- S2 i' e) J* p

; T% [' x! a. t9 z" o5 ]" z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
* R0 U5 ?# C# ?) e. t改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 M/ U0 f) Z1 j3 ]3 {4 u
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# V- t* j/ |$ \# T! o! x
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具/ v% \7 B2 @, W/ O' @( y3 c: a. p4 l
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 M( o8 F: [5 S! e. v1 s$ f信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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7 S* Q5 [7 A# w以下是其他人的見解,; R8 }/ K, h0 Q) y. H5 S+ N
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 I- d) ~8 S2 A0 {5 P- e" Q
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm: V$ j9 \9 P' e/ n9 C5 q. ^' e
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 a7 m+ d4 J* {0 c
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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" F5 l: C4 ~1 k! H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, m2 v( B! A5 P- F7 F" A9 V9 U
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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# Q- _* p* m" [  n; g+ Q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# w$ o/ {1 a5 K( ~' |
.............信耶穌... ...

8 v# s' k2 r: x: z. v, _Regarding the resurrection....
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- }9 q: O. r9 o9 v* g6 G( P; K& m4 kActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 t9 Q1 e- l- E9 K: O" R) L
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.