Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 |% Z  K* C+ v5 s& ?
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- d* D/ I4 q8 u2 M
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; j2 H) g7 b! Q0 L, `' Y7 s/ P
道理我知道好多只係做吳到; g7 {  |9 F8 f0 [1 Q
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( j  c/ _1 H& {# \# j! D0 fNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ N7 Q2 |7 ^' P3 u) \8 H: Z
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' O* @6 l* l7 w' ~8 S
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- W; j: ~6 ~2 X7 P7 v8 J
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* `3 Z; _0 }) `
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  J& h2 q$ n) j* o以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! b( S. O" F; Y& x0 i. n/ Z* ^9 M在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' [% f; k1 @2 a
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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9 S$ e0 e. g7 g/ AWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : d1 C, j  z" x8 T. C' x4 p
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% N6 s: L/ @: l4 i/ w0 C: E
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! P. t( ~5 [8 j, o9 F: p2 g1 j
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 k; q& ?* k3 Q/ {建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失", Y4 b0 J- z( L
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* \: w, V0 c% ^; f$ a, W4 @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." ^. z9 p, I9 [8 V

+ [3 y3 S2 e$ `: F6 h9 T+ xit's starting because we have sins......' Y. ~) w( A: i' J% C" j0 |
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( v5 M) v8 h8 T/ R; K) Z* a; G! Nour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"1 A. }/ w- F/ K( T6 l+ d
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 l( C- W5 X, {1 H用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! K- j1 y$ c1 @) \) V4 n
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. B; `9 U$ A( v6 {" O
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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6 a7 E+ b, y' S6 s* ~% R導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ k0 f; b5 J. d3 w  W$ N" ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- v8 [5 m* T! Q) E  F, [5 E
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( R5 |0 v4 P2 y' b- L0 \
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ P4 Z7 z1 V! J# O: }
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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9 o+ z4 q1 f8 b以下是其他人的見解,
1 Z3 g% c& Q/ D7 g# }- w& y! J看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& v- F% r: @% c* m* t8 A% ^
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ b# G, R2 h6 e* z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ Y, a8 _" n0 G7 z6 D! o
.............信耶穌... ...

  z4 z/ O* T( C( GRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ E$ j8 E( C5 z  ], B2 i

# y, ^: |& g, t& P# D& u% [7 IYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.