Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 g" U, x0 ~+ r我係一個連自己都吳信的人- k0 F% w0 {5 Y* Y" V$ h% F/ ~
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# m. l6 z0 ~$ Q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
9 r( V& U- Y3 V& \. ]% n呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- Q2 \' \3 S) w  r' r6 w' P

: r/ Y  D# e: q. Y! b+ E5 WNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& y' R! f+ ^. R) x

5 t5 \( d5 X% O* v: lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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* y0 C$ g$ G( m+ O- {! fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" h8 q9 O4 S# g; bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; y! q4 J1 Q& M& t. W我只不過微小的基督徒...................
- E& b9 {5 l8 E! S. N; G2 E真的!!這不是反話
. S4 r/ Y) s; T1 K/ e4 W* R% Q, f3 n因為我是情感比理性強的人5 x- b' Q0 J9 f/ j
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 c" X# Q$ M( S! I以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% I7 U1 h8 i4 m4 T在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
! h1 k" o7 e# V$ ^! j5 Q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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' h0 {: S- n, t6 {! u1 K* OJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * ?* ?3 K8 E( U7 r1 G9 P
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 A: c/ P) |' m& ]Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 l2 J2 F: |( }1 p" H建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; [5 l7 {$ q* N3 t4 s+ c8 ["不信也沒損失"
6 \) w/ s; x- L2 \* P% T5 _& XYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* l# I% F4 w5 O; {, Wbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ ^# D/ z& x  ~/ S& `( a; p% F

" E0 P. w# w  C3 f0 Y2 {it's starting because we have sins......
8 `, r3 n: L2 _% Ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 @9 k6 I4 y6 x; `. Y+ r7 B( J
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- e) Y+ I% F. n; w9 V: \7 w
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ m' P9 ]8 Q& G7 b' C' R$ m用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) @( ~: Y% f0 Q9 [/ Y" l3 Z7 v, f1 Q
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 |7 d7 G" u' f7 E* e9 B$ y2 _. ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,3 ~  I9 F+ h1 w2 f/ A9 y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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% W6 T; B& @4 n! q: f7 u5 \" u# B導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ C) H2 ?  j. _6 Z8 `' M4 j: z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- V1 i+ h! M4 Y
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: `" N% N! F& _3 y' C6 q
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# j; A8 ^& ]0 J. g
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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' U% h+ v7 w8 ^以下是其他人的見解,- G8 Q9 X3 Q& m3 _: ]3 H6 ^9 y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, e- ~( d: W* a3 H2 U0 w  O0 ?% w
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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, \8 n; ?1 ~1 Y8 o6 i信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 X! V7 l% ^; _& P

( e1 |- ?$ e0 T  J1 W6 t/ |0 L* ~不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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# G$ h9 e/ Z/ |7 S我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# T! Q/ \6 Z9 A* o.............信耶穌... ...

% o% A, q6 j9 T0 p, O% ORegarding the resurrection....4 p. U) W7 T3 p, H6 @% G0 g

: y# U  x9 y% O' ?% |4 w& r  BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.