Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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6 n5 m. U' L" @/ w0 e# r道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 u  q' C8 O  ^呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 {# Y) v$ S- H8 g, }5 g: [Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; [3 ]' D/ T3 Y  u* t

( W. r& ~# V- C+ ?2 INobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 ]8 L, K- i1 A, b6 |' _" B7 d
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; U8 T8 t6 v* y& |$ {我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人  v& D1 K6 U0 @8 W
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# d) a' \3 {# d2 J) D' Z7 ]以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: q, q9 z, {% z4 Z6 Y$ {7 [
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 k: j3 p5 Z: w% j+ M( u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 A4 t5 M7 C8 J0 L+ EWhat a statement we have here?  O+ H' ~' Y; i: k

5 Q4 E2 ~6 M" i& c! T6 O3 j- t3 W2 \Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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, }7 a6 H$ U8 _) \! u% x& iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) j- t# b1 h2 |" a0 O0 b8 ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
! c* Y# a  @9 [9 D7 p, JYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& q2 z7 V% ]! C% ^! Q" T3 C+ {but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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0 F  q3 i/ @/ u* C/ Hit's starting because we have sins......1 \5 c  A# V* H% e' D2 V
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
1 q: P0 @$ B- D只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 [0 g; s& S; K  R2 Z5 i! p0 U. y5 z- C
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, R6 y' O3 G7 x4 u2 s4 k
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 H& I7 f) i3 Z) j8 q: ^如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 Q$ _- I& d+ O  e- ]% d
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. j1 ]( f3 `( B1 t3 m0 b

( j% x2 \* E2 t% L% w, ^導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 w8 Z1 G2 d, o" _4 ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% v5 f/ F8 y& `: ]2 K: a3 e
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
/ M7 r( `( `4 n) K4 C7 Z美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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" o' z: I# R# P: A宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具" B1 F) w! {$ H$ v. }# h

6 l! \( [2 x' u! Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# E* s1 b8 K! L4 A1 J1 I
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干# |6 Q& j/ Y8 Z1 S! }4 g4 y. h4 a

# ^; a' H* L: w( w以下是其他人的見解,7 {, {8 [5 F( C/ R% s. `( H
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, ^& G' a& y* P3 D' C
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, i* X& q/ }0 o" Z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ S9 b  y. {! s$ G$ V( w
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; x5 [( ]# n: F, U4 r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. [  G9 h# T/ A6 ?.............信耶穌... ...

5 r) B7 O2 |7 [7 }8 U: l; ~Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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% `! l" L9 k. G( o; t8 CYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.