Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 r, r0 \2 G( R, H7 @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ U+ i6 c4 W) _$ [8 ~
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: @+ a$ {$ T: y  p  J3 k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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6 c3 o  K  B" u- _! O1 _  D, `' pNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) }- O; b% z, ~4 |4 Y% Q- o9 Y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ x4 C4 X+ P9 E5 H% A4 M* i
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* @# U. q) u% K3 K: m$ F
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" Y# `% _# m, L4 R我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 X9 @1 }& i" Q# c7 C
真的!!這不是反話
3 r/ \  h* Q& r因為我是情感比理性強的人# N( l6 I1 U1 W' {: V
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 j% w4 J, K0 }2 \, e/ w, r6 c' V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 S0 S* F. B1 |9 }* w% U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " w- {) n# y, x
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 R# X, S. Z; b- [$ y
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ z$ k$ ~0 V* R8 g: t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"- a2 c& v1 P' R3 R' u1 Y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., s0 v# S- E3 r% Q' E. i, ~$ \
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: \) J6 |! G  @5 [, K) n; `& f
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it's starting because we have sins......& L5 d- n1 u2 j: Y8 H1 t# O
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 Y) g8 T3 c6 Q0 h& I7 E' ?# B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ ?; n5 X* P' R. ]. Q1 x; B- t4 s用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 L% s0 Q5 |$ r5 D6 x( p
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 f9 N6 o1 \8 f
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 c- V$ a3 p6 E
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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# @5 U9 `: g, T* {0 s' f# a一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
. U, k: R* y" Z, ?/ w1 ]0 v* P1 \改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ K6 k6 R) J7 z9 _6 A
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 c- r7 Y7 `% a6 l/ l1 r
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具& E% e+ H, p: O' W

$ S. h) C- B. Y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 m- y2 V+ u: ]" {( A2 Y6 f
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 Q. S6 B/ G' I/ w

, I# Q% ?" F6 Y  y7 q# e不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!: p7 i, D( [0 j5 n) W" d  @

' W& ~" F+ a: g" @我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) v( I' e7 C( X% `- q: v- c

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 q. u. E+ a( ?# q6 {6 C$ |2 P9 z5 ~
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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, {9 s  p- B& B* VActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.