Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 |& @$ p/ @$ x  u) e8 M
我係一個連自己都吳信的人" H/ k; ]. P- T" f9 D  N/ s& P
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: w  o/ s( y4 {( \- A: l道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 w! d& |& i' ?2 f4 \4 Y3 C
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, y$ b0 W4 G5 QNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 W( ~7 w1 a; X0 U4 t
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 x0 ]* I, S. T! Q7 H6 m* _

* ], i+ A  g  R8 x8 p, Ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 B4 z7 ^& X. ~) Ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 J5 Q/ X" \* O8 H我只不過微小的基督徒...................
$ J; n- w, K/ G: i8 ]& ^6 e真的!!這不是反話
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# Q( o, L/ X' K  Z3 S' U所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," `7 C! j8 B7 r. J8 p
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 J6 Q: H3 W) {- p4 Z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., Q  ~6 D- o5 P$ N/ ]; ]
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & z9 S1 Y1 u; ~* t# I( m" w( w
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) d  k" W7 S* o7 E! I* v
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"9 n4 j$ e1 }' Z+ ~2 ~
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" `+ L  N" H+ P8 m0 _& Zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% }! H9 ~! I( b, z# u/ h# K0 z3 i+ f

% r+ J" _6 Q, h1 n6 v$ @it's starting because we have sins......
6 D- s/ E& Y7 Esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - X1 l/ f0 Y# `4 G" }9 F3 T( U
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": D* o) f  N# J& \6 x9 G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ X, P# _' G$ x& D% U: v用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* K( m) u' d9 |, x& e4 E! e8 L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ h* |+ r7 b  [5 w8 T" E+ k
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ B) J5 E/ m* c3 l5 ]& N
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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  p0 u- p9 S# F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,6 F6 E/ K/ b" }; ?! E7 Z( P/ Y, b2 ~
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% l! U1 {9 J; }; q- D- c4 g5 _改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 _5 ?6 W) k3 R8 [1 C% V8 _; ]美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...% N2 r7 [" W0 u- u4 A. _' W( }- W
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ g) S9 F5 _% E$ H) j2 s
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以下是其他人的見解,2 u4 y; w' T, H: k& U
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤' B+ T, P# {! U8 \3 y
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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5 C  S% Y# y- u( O) I( P[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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+ M* G; i# J0 S/ ~不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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; z9 F5 F* t# A8 z6 L, e同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....3 B1 N! K. w& }8 e" @

+ T; n5 z9 m( Z8 f5 a1 x9 _Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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; u. o: t2 ?- ?" W# `; yYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.