Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- W  V% ]+ v1 G/ C
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ y( f3 k+ _5 s, }
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢  x5 E2 ]% o- B
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( S) H9 Y: q) J" m* k2 q

% e. A/ ^8 t9 z" M/ h+ j6 ?' INobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ ?' z$ `* ^4 ]2 \/ E$ @) {/ S3 _
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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  v! F4 g1 g# Y- ?* Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ x' n. W" D: x0 x/ |6 D
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! K8 R0 }' a6 w( Z7 \7 H
我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 `6 i0 e( `( F7 J- \
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 x3 }- ?4 u; J0 M0 r; x% @) c$ g以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ C& u" b) ^, Z  @) G6 M% R: z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; `; C) K: k  l0 Y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?2 D$ V# c# a* n3 T

1 L1 T) ~+ O- y4 D+ A) u9 aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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5 q4 Z) O, t- L7 x# m* s0 l/ II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) R9 h& y& y. C0 X- s) E' gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( O5 e: t' z, i) E- H* W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
5 l. |0 s8 u6 b- U& QYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 z0 o9 M0 @# b8 |but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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# ?$ j3 E# _* Wit's starting because we have sins......
+ W5 h: Z/ T- i1 Msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( l0 ]& S8 x  {4 D7 E+ D" Vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 h! c8 W, i' B這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) Y4 a/ o$ Y1 |/ m% s
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 H8 E5 A$ J( X0 g3 d3 Y1 ^! G
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~8 T$ z0 Y+ V, e. p5 }1 o
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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: u+ C' m: B) u- T2 r# i# h一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  L- f7 @- M1 W$ c, f* v& x8 J+ Q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ C- D/ H% Y% K
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' W0 e2 l: h' u, r5 F  R/ Z4 L& Z5 Q

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 W9 V4 o3 y3 u7 k2 P( F& w$ ?" N
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: ~: N# [  v9 s4 v
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以下是其他人的見解,% j1 `( S$ N+ z& x' ~0 m# L) C
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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9 v8 X1 ^! K/ Z! \- ~' h不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 E: d, Z& G: d1 A9 G; ]2 ^# _; O
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 W+ S9 t$ d. q' i% \1 Z2 d/ _.............信耶穌... ...

- r" z4 n% k7 V5 XRegarding the resurrection....
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  R. [9 B4 `  W( F9 |Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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( v, t& Y) I8 ]. D$ RYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.