Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 I9 l2 R# ]6 M+ P4 q; v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到2 D: Y! R/ E. h& I
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* b9 ~1 v8 x, c' A, d  ENobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; F7 V4 H1 T0 L; ^0 T2 D1 d6 ~

, ~( H% N" W9 `( J& ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: ]* p, C2 }* H* E% u8 I1 ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 l3 g8 O4 a0 x我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 T0 t) S9 B9 G% W真的!!這不是反話
; }0 N& d0 `$ E6 F* h) f因為我是情感比理性強的人4 k) G9 U0 `% S6 P/ S
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: X& J5 Y; N/ T以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) t3 S' Q2 T) b) X2 K6 [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( d' M) M9 \: g; C( _
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) s, X1 M# V9 h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! M' N. B! p2 R% pWhat a statement we have here?  T3 m3 @" S5 F% q: O2 I

9 e1 u9 F+ N" [# {9 o1 aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- t$ Q0 x. S, D0 {: G

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) e) N/ m: A% c( \- w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 |! b$ C& p% s4 L5 }"不信也沒損失"
4 N* i. H# O" Z0 ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! x( N" \& p! E: T5 f6 s) Z2 |8 `
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 X- H0 m! @! x  X/ a4 `) @

& {' w! s8 U, \0 l8 dit's starting because we have sins......+ S" m  V# [1 @- h
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 V6 G9 M5 G) n+ `: ]4 e' eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 F; v, N" G1 ^# }7 l  Q* d6 r
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 R( A$ l) h$ g. X' q3 @# t5 b) G9 y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ d( B1 @; l3 y' c6 t2 ]% R
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 i, p' {0 v( g: [好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, \" L4 Q0 j/ {! ^4 V0 e3 g
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, [8 S! y- G8 {) ?3 \  n8 F
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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, L- t# z0 O1 O0 m. g以下是其他人的見解,  G% [  ~2 y" V# F% v5 b
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ C" O4 K  F  L1 Y1 K
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  r& |; e: W- t" ~

" I/ G! D) F: v2 T不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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, x/ e1 Z6 ]% M2 Z; F9 J& `% e% u我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 w& }$ R; G7 F5 L

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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2 s# f: \, q3 |  ^8 sActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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/ }" r/ d" u1 t; `# i% Y0 q/ mYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.