Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# u) S# U* e) u4 B8 I
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到; ^  a* q% g/ y7 `2 V7 ?! p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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) f; a. k6 S& h" n; r% [9 @Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) ?4 S; E" `) C# z3 t; V# ]

7 ?, R) Y% y+ V% m" tmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! o9 e  W* Q  Wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  n2 I1 X2 h( E8 K  ]  t" F我只不過微小的基督徒...................* \3 \8 I9 m1 y. z# R
真的!!這不是反話% z1 P6 v; W/ w+ H. E4 o! \
因為我是情感比理性強的人- `. D: v' ]1 P! \( j& l+ \: \
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ V" f0 w/ Q1 L, s/ y7 m
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 J+ J! F, D) n, g8 Y' l0 p在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., b& s5 [" U9 T" R% ^
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, w" S$ v* C* L  x/ G
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: o" ]4 H$ A6 j2 k
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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! ]6 I. D& {8 l1 j& E* W! I- aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ |& X1 J# ?3 n, A7 ?" @0 g% r
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 U: o' B5 s1 ^% t  L
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 ~, M) I3 c! l7 w7 O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, b. M1 `' o! U, d"不信也沒損失"
) u2 a; V) y/ {  ]" LYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% q0 B4 I6 S$ B6 a3 n: |# a& i. x
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ c; g4 A- f' Y: X- r

* M; v8 e7 R. I7 S5 w, _' v4 Zit's starting because we have sins......
  o7 j. [8 c# z% usatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: Y9 n7 B3 J. z+ [3 x7 Tour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
& l/ Y1 z( K4 t只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 B. G3 A; k# h( V4 {. \用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. g% n9 C- a) r, q, _; \' ]& @
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 ^" P& a+ [( Y
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, o3 r) ]& a8 E; W$ G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  c# T* |( P. @. ^- ]4 U) p( r4 b
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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$ Y% Q# @8 q- L; Y* i- U美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: m$ e  z8 k# g5 p; L, c

* H8 n2 K3 ?# ^$ i4 l. V2 ~$ k5 o9 F吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- B3 y+ }, C0 L* N2 R; p信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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* P) e& M, `7 L5 ~以下是其他人的見解,
4 Z0 J4 o* N& T8 e1 J看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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/ v" P2 @0 e) c6 V信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, r. o: t; O1 {; o

5 N" \# A2 d8 Z8 r4 D不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; P( l* I* ^3 H! A2 s2 a- P
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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7 w) l0 G" R) B0 c同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% q; k* Q. [4 M) T
.............信耶穌... ...

2 q) ~; y- N: ?, C, ARegarding the resurrection....$ t& h0 [4 D" ]) w3 p& C- T$ R! a
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 K6 E( O$ Z: m8 `! A3 D3 M) h

  S. `! E* [, e' z  u; KYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.