Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& S4 z# W" M, b, o. J2 q, i
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到) a5 o3 }1 T9 i
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! q7 ^# F9 ~/ R2 J6 I2 \# d! @Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# g+ L: J9 f, f3 f7 L- w- C1 u
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# ^) p, D& Y4 E; \

1 H( M/ v/ S7 W+ u! T' r4 e" dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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& a2 m% G! [' @/ G$ E3 A$ Rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ N  V& P" z1 f; L+ R  jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! h- [0 D& G+ D, |9 d* E9 y我只不過微小的基督徒...................' n  T# ]7 B' b9 g
真的!!這不是反話
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9 @  F/ o5 _+ a) _/ i所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# h3 C! A8 g. E( o' z0 @1 g$ r以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 Y, r3 p3 O5 J# ]0 m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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# r3 a# W% T& ~9 t7 l' eWhat a statement we have here?
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! m9 m% b. `' Y/ e6 [% T% D) FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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6 r. N9 w% L2 n4 x8 S# Z3 B& `' bI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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5 b0 E, Y* R! ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' o' }& r2 k1 Y
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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$ K2 f3 l! |, O( q) x# p* X8 c6 e"不信也沒損失"1 g* Z" Z2 R/ Z( y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ c# z( g# e0 E# i( V& a* R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
- L6 n* L8 a: l/ B# v. ?; Asatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 M0 V1 S; X( `# ~our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,+ o- K7 L4 @' _- G9 v+ i
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) x" N, j% w, ~6 X3 }
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
/ ~! h1 J2 z. T$ r, n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 R! s2 S# k3 `% L2 t' h( m

6 U# V1 G' f  n4 x* Z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," J- s! J0 ]* g* y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 H' {8 \. Z4 Y6 p0 c2 c5 _0 G改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 y. r" `) [2 P% ?) U' u% S美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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. G3 _8 _6 {0 Z+ F( q/ A- z5 \宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具+ \% U7 N# L1 p. P. k% K# Q
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,) ~* f  z5 S1 T! h( p1 D
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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, n! {& P. ]  v$ M3 S  ]2 z; r以下是其他人的見解,% f  f6 p" d0 j
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& J4 r+ y, k  e
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* i% _$ e# z* u* _
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  q# g0 W0 b. R* S+ t! A
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 \; o# h) R) I6 o$ q
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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$ M: S; X( Z% P" h同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) ]0 ?3 y1 {( }3 |
.............信耶穌... ...

3 J8 T6 @' g% W  @2 QRegarding the resurrection....
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. s0 L0 Q. r9 H0 y/ fActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ X+ b1 f. c6 C" w5 x, M

. K; H6 M, r7 @You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.