Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! N5 X4 z4 f6 h
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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, i, T" P( Z6 z) ], t7 g& m道理我知道好多只係做吳到( k' n2 B: i4 b& L
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, X8 C- g6 N0 f6 w+ M
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 {( H5 R% R* P, q* O4 cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; N/ ^7 d5 O: }5 c/ A3 X& z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( O8 w+ G- L3 ^9 I我只不過微小的基督徒...................- t+ @7 E3 r3 o' b$ ~4 f1 \" B
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 D( B9 D, ~2 [& {/ D
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 T; v7 R1 k  C( X  m在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' E1 ^" ~! L9 W4 _# Q
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. |+ k# Q. m! ^8 h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?5 a( C8 {4 ^# f: `6 M6 g$ s+ I

' j8 W, s3 a$ n: k# R( FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! U% R: N' Z( G( M% q8 m& v

: K9 E5 j! k! J; |: _" iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 I8 \1 F7 _, D- x% {$ M
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  R# }; z9 U2 q6 G. a) P
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
; X" T  `2 R- [0 t3 h' E4 G1 J) PYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 t1 ]* R, S* w* m
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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1 K9 r0 F7 ^* n6 hit's starting because we have sins......
  E, y8 f0 X/ ~satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 |; ~! t, |8 K3 V' }3 O* {our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". e( i$ a' ~  y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
( [) W: M* W, N, k用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 L# X+ z# }! \; ^8 n! {$ R, l
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 k& ?7 ~, b4 N2 n1 W4 ?  ~) n
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: L7 k5 X" o9 H而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ b, k! D" T7 v

) c, g. Q" P9 y$ v3 O/ q8 U& x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- K1 M- W* ?* J3 }
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ w* W3 I% c# I; H. K+ p2 ?0 d

" H7 t4 o; W/ o, g6 O一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& t" c; I. T/ s0 }# J/ U% h1 M  C
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ `: f& X, w: I0 ^  u& s
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...; i# v/ \$ E8 t" @% _9 ^% l9 O
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 O; y, x& O8 W吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. h0 _- V' D' X. e7 J信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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" O! r" m" |& o+ p( F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  G. r& E6 r: {8 d
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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- _& ?2 X+ b! o6 S同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& l+ X: j1 O7 H
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 a' M! N% G$ }& U4 X% [' }0 f
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.