Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ Q# C7 h& e2 K  i: E我係一個連自己都吳信的人
: \) v) ~; T+ F又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 K6 D; B  h2 b! D7 Y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到& N) Q" F3 H* _  R( S- V3 P( d
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 H$ W0 }1 ]* g% `; }Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) S  f$ N( T0 _& P

1 x3 g/ t: x" W+ j+ r: Ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 B7 l' s& C2 n5 Jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% e7 i& N  d' k1 u' W( q我只不過微小的基督徒...................& q/ T* r+ c5 a; q( f* i* u& y
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% V) O/ I9 e; p+ f3 L9 m  o以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ c2 n  ~) y1 B  v! E. m( T8 S5 g在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 j; ^# F% k. k3 s, E' g
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ E. f& [8 \8 ~/ f- h0 K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?5 \  @2 ?5 e( v% d5 n1 l. G

: H0 ?, ]. A0 a0 P! N9 J# Y2 HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 E# d9 C9 a7 Q8 {' l5 M  Y

( [) X4 O7 V( M. b- u4 z: J( |4 H9 vI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 H' n/ J, T# F+ P" J  ?
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
5 f. m3 g. E+ p& {建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
5 j$ F0 g2 }9 z; a1 \* E2 N/ o8 eYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 a5 d" z* H; W( Ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: ^8 |, b0 H; V- p! p0 u

% o' W" N9 x4 sit's starting because we have sins......
8 }7 h. d$ `+ l0 Msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 G8 `" j/ B& ?" K- h& K; |, tour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 z* H$ n- y4 `8 ?" {1 }* G8 l5 w
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 N2 o& Y4 n  H4 ~
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) M  F( O  R0 S8 g- ]/ W而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ Q! k* u1 G. O; S7 w0 k/ I7 T0 E' ?& ~

; B' Y1 X6 u! y$ q" ~. q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ E. N0 }2 I8 B$ p7 Y; t# l
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ K: h' ^& _" |& d- C
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法1 [! c+ h5 @* f
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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+ M' Z# P9 Z$ q' H. X吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 Y. D) U: h$ b6 r
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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1 Y/ H/ D: p8 K# F' ~3 Z以下是其他人的見解,: s$ K& z% X% z0 @) t* h: V) c
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤' l  H" m/ _) x' I
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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% {/ n2 N" r% Z* t  n信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 z2 K( i( ]% u# W* x不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, ?6 E! }: _* O, D$ `

# q, c- p( p/ P7 E4 x我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, i+ t( z, k3 y6 ^% G3 H- I
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  M- m4 {8 W/ G, r) t
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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9 h, U' ]7 x6 M& p- r+ W4 u2 vActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.