Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# q- `- y+ H$ B  d: ~6 P% \
我係一個連自己都吳信的人# g! r  z: K: b% t! I7 s, Q0 b( l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢  ~/ F+ u7 v. f. Y. }
道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ Y7 n3 H* _, v8 h; L
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 q; U8 v) [6 G! V
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% P  O& ~( @' D5 I
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 v+ e9 N) }  Y
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- ^. ~2 D& W$ H, n( t
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 o! d% f  K7 \$ U9 D* z我只不過微小的基督徒...................2 t8 @$ h0 U6 n8 ]; Q  [. X' B
真的!!這不是反話
5 p: {1 J6 k  U4 q- r因為我是情感比理性強的人
3 e5 v+ G& {8 e! w所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 T# c7 o; @( ^) q, Z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, ?" n1 A) _9 h1 x! r+ d. A9 F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) D5 U! t7 l5 N/ {0 S7 O4 h
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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, u# n4 U5 P. N$ y5 F0 b5 z8 r/ cLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 ~+ P6 `) l+ L$ A, Z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: ^- F' `6 [$ c"不信也沒損失"
3 f$ @! O8 N8 \! ?0 v$ W6 fYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ D4 q4 W. T' v9 L1 I2 P
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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/ O; l- O5 a' M& z* L% n# |8 |it's starting because we have sins......
' n' b$ e6 [$ f0 _satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % N# U/ l6 D7 {+ q: F
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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2 r; n. W5 w- g4 ~! C用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 d2 N( r+ |, ~' S( S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( O& j0 K* ~9 J- d
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 Z) h9 V& p. |0 ?# k0 H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& M0 Y% r' R6 {

) w1 W$ J: n' Q( J導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& J& C5 n0 m# q0 [0 T
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 C. a; S8 u% C/ [
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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2 A: u7 ^5 Y& ~/ r宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具6 ^; E/ z( G; R; O

% O5 F1 t& l- o, }, m) R吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,  Z6 ^, |! x1 [2 T! D
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
4 i, v( B8 x. O9 V/ B看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: n" `0 B- f, y1 ], P" ~# j6 f! Y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 G  v' S0 U5 s0 a7 [# {
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# e. p8 z$ n: f* T, Z

$ }) |/ S2 ]  l" s- i* j( u我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" b' A. I- E. u3 ~
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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; {, d  C5 V1 q+ ~Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& [" g2 O+ \* v" D) EYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.