Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  t6 D* z' y% D8 V0 P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人# N! P# Z" _9 Q# d; X
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- r9 X0 p6 y. }6 w6 d
道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 c, w5 G2 ?1 c6 p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....% ?5 Q! ]* r0 e9 Q0 f

# A0 I- Z/ i* V! Y$ F9 B( J; estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....2 [5 ^. h" K0 `: {6 h8 K  |; Y
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 J, T3 f0 b( S( B/ e我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 {9 _' S' M0 i3 Y
真的!!這不是反話  V; l& l) H, k* |0 V
因為我是情感比理性強的人7 f' q, d- R! i0 N9 Z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ `3 f) v' y2 k- M
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' ]2 _3 m6 P; T, W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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, _% v3 c. i1 {2 C1 f" T9 A0 tJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 X! W+ s8 T$ H1 m+ K
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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6 a4 E/ Z3 @& ~6 w" y/ t% t"不信也沒損失") D5 Q# a! t/ r3 \3 i/ U( [
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: Y/ G8 A4 {/ O" E4 \- h
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# g( e* V% ~5 \  D
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ P9 A, v  l3 S( a. y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ a) M" f! i- I' e8 n3 W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 Y0 N/ O7 E: J/ k導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# k9 j* ~1 n( O7 R- u3 o( J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,0 E& Y. ?& R9 `6 e( R* ^/ b1 N
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 t9 Q, r) h# Z- d1 E
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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3 X0 O) f$ Q0 {' d$ {% j吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 X8 G* H8 G* k1 M
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) U4 C) h* k+ E& }
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以下是其他人的見解,4 N: m9 ]+ X4 Z) t7 A
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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1 m- c' A& _/ P6 a; v& G' y. G/ ][ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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6 W! x0 y( b, z. L信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!- |( `. Y9 O: _0 V& S

9 G1 p! x7 T7 e+ @7 D( X; H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  |( D2 q1 I6 t% p* j6 M我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- A! W5 }$ w# y5 W6 n

  d, p/ S- R4 N1 k4 C! @( ~5 C6 U同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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  h# _; R2 s2 m* v. G0 `4 JYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.