Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到# h9 p# U) y, ]3 r9 t
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, _0 i; L0 |$ Y) ]Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 x9 ~" O8 T" m, d; d2 i9 g
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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* x* B: X  V* x; H; V- ^3 wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 ?' Q! b2 b* Z$ Z1 |cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 c7 T$ m. ^2 V+ S
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 `$ \2 T' b1 K
真的!!這不是反話# u/ f7 I- i! [; I0 L
因為我是情感比理性強的人% w, U* E- C2 f! h- Q2 U, Z! Z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  Y5 e3 v! I* J0 L. [- A: P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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3 @  w2 K- W8 g+ eWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# D" N- I( Y; M5 a) |) _I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 {4 B" Q" }7 Y  _0 U- Q, f0 h

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  c3 X4 W0 O6 L5 R7 o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"- p' x' G( J3 E5 g2 S
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; k/ Z8 }9 H* Y+ c# _1 `
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* \9 x: d% S4 a: v
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it's starting because we have sins......+ }" d& L, g% a- y: c, Y8 B
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 q9 E" D: P5 y; ~" Y$ n
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". c1 R; X9 s. Y7 T; Q$ G+ h
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
. Q; R& t9 z) C1 V) R用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 d* B1 I0 `' g8 B- t這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# p% }) D( Y. X) b: o( F
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. K( G4 Y2 k5 P
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 h0 i' e. I$ a4 U1 c- U
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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/ n# f# D; C  a8 S一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
  v$ \$ g1 o. ~# |改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. l1 ~5 G* u4 @, z$ a6 \+ e' }& t( p
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 `7 ]2 h! ?" l6 X+ o0 k+ e6 c

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$ ^9 `; E0 i) `' v; e吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
' V( ~/ J2 A, T信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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2 E$ z' n, D. U, d( y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" _4 t6 M6 `! l) Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* y) K5 r2 K9 }

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 [; f& [) p  A0 T6 ].............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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  d5 w/ Y1 D2 {- q, n* sActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% t( {7 U4 Y; P  o- j$ C4 h

* T4 X1 `6 W4 I6 j6 X1 c6 F6 wYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.