Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* I3 @. T3 b$ r' b( T我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 W8 S7 I$ w; Y& m4 X! n又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- B" c2 T' Z6 X+ w; V
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, j- l# c8 ~, Q; ~; K5 r3 j
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) M9 Y# z# o8 L* S, u: D6 iNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 g3 |, C6 h8 I& V6 K

! C: c  c& r% S) xNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- Q) B; C5 c8 h+ Y+ x' n/ h

+ _* o& g( |) @' }$ ?" x6 m& Kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 o& f9 z* y$ ?( q1 p/ Y6 p
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. O4 {* K+ b7 V
我只不過微小的基督徒.................... M9 L8 W$ v' E8 G( Z
真的!!這不是反話
  o& m. B9 h" E. g7 ]因為我是情感比理性強的人/ q" i& {: B9 V* N! K  c8 b( [
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,' M6 y4 p" c6 E! D6 c& N, x
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( ~3 c6 v9 p0 D9 _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 R/ j9 ^, T' g8 q- d- H# D# h4 I6 W
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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! C1 e3 N8 ]2 t( s* bWhat a statement we have here?
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6 |. d) m! G& m7 C& W. iJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " V0 t3 Y  l: l( ~% {; i

/ \8 u6 V: d( j9 m, ^. {/ f: f* }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! H) T- A+ _8 D1 P

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ X0 S5 K0 _* ]4 @) t+ y) `- A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
) i+ j) h6 e6 B# X2 T9 _# KYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 ?. {; l; _% u* ?( V! X
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......; {- H. S2 O  R5 L6 n! p
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : ~  S; D5 ^" B* E
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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+ ^2 f- ~  @5 o4 }+ [1 \用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& B8 I7 f7 c. d  g
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 \$ N7 o7 ?, a/ j+ \- t如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: L5 l' F6 w7 A- \6 Y. C1 e9 V而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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/ A7 w, \2 l9 o: t0 d導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) ?7 a5 j+ C* C% \. I+ b! g好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- k+ B( v/ t: ^" }$ t. s/ N

/ I7 [$ `" E' ^. _0 |6 Y) A9 _一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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' ?& B( y/ @9 P, E# s1 n吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 e9 P* o: M# t+ Q: J) H信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 `/ J' ]2 t; T0 |5 |* E/ M

! `, a. H/ Q! y8 z5 N" ?5 l# ]以下是其他人的見解,2 Q1 D% g* I. O5 }
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 r2 [7 M; c" O

; ^, H, D  I' ~$ q) q# k  _$ B信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ ~: y( G. N, k" T' x. ~不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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5 a3 p1 p4 c9 l* u我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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- z( N3 g2 }( n8 z5 R0 I3 h同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! [) T8 a0 Z" z/ ~4 E
.............信耶穌... ...

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% J/ O7 V; _6 t, u) _& fActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ {  W  L6 r, D8 l  f5 K
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.