Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  J3 I. `: {4 m. `/ h+ k
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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8 j) u" p0 B# N) \% j道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ T% n% w! g0 q& C呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 W( v& z0 W. G2 j9 pNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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+ u( e3 [3 \3 r, e. r8 ?mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' }) k$ A  o2 U) E3 b( E# estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& y. a+ @2 D: Z& O. d4 x
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 |4 k2 n0 W  @以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ S5 S8 W4 @+ Y9 B. h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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2 c8 ]) ], C  `" ]- s. BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ K/ C1 W  a' Q8 D

$ C  `2 [( t% I/ f$ x' V! ^7 d8 g( TI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., Y+ ]7 L8 e! ]% U9 \

) @3 s1 @/ C) d( Q. pLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 N# y: R0 I! b- [
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 f8 N8 G4 S0 F3 |建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; y& ]- W  L  M2 j"不信也沒損失"2 p0 z/ e$ d# w" E: R1 T
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. C+ g1 T+ M, dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......8 \" Z# e& X4 F( ~& F# x
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) c& k# |' [) B3 Z6 E0 @& C
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 a& c+ C& J# u' Q0 N- K5 d7 @9 ]
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ B1 H9 `7 U% S% u& O6 U
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 y0 a$ W2 }! t2 o這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ T# k4 H! u. Z9 w) g4 E) T- a如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 |; M+ J* N$ m* x; N0 w6 ]而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 Q1 ?4 r- f" e# P& i1 e  e

! m* u* V' j* Q7 @  [9 v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 Z; q+ l, g$ o5 r+ f! j
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6 x: K+ O, h; A6 o; h一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. g$ ]- T( ?8 E+ }! ?9 {" y7 b
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! R5 X& ]+ C: c- X5 h+ n
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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" J) j/ A* G" }1 M" s8 X. i宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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2 J- G/ L" S  M0 _' g以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( n+ U' M+ X5 h+ ?1 u

" w) B6 n, M' E, ]5 U不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  D' q4 W: w& k
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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5 R( k5 e7 N$ F! L/ Y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 Z% `9 \3 T7 i.............信耶穌... ...

9 g5 \% q! D7 w9 V( y4 a9 rRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# a( [( R9 S, r1 C1 CYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.