Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 B, J/ d, ?2 z9 U# @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 @: `0 S+ C8 F# C) t) A. V7 p8 r! q( v
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 h3 o/ x: O/ Q8 P4 ?( W/ @4 p道理我知道好多只係做吳到( s, h7 S/ I+ |0 l+ i
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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& r4 \0 w4 M: N% mNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# n8 [0 u7 ]: G' p: u

6 I7 f2 R3 w% ~mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; }& O5 U) \! ]& M6 dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' e1 X) [" B2 ?" t1 r* F, s( Dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' x1 S  P0 @' g- B我只不過微小的基督徒.................... _% q. S8 X* f2 v: h. c
真的!!這不是反話
' T# Y, p& D, j8 R因為我是情感比理性強的人
: K# G% C# R6 a% [所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ d' a* f& h1 i2 B以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," V& S3 x0 H6 V9 g" C: D( h# }
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; D/ L/ S, Y8 v# V0 B% ?
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ V/ d' o  o" O* r, N& P3 x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 M2 w( K0 L& Y$ b
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; U2 P  L2 q' x4 B: u6 W$ x
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' m( W  n" |+ l+ L! U- i; L- a
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:cool:
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8 \9 r" |- K; Y) A[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"6 r$ l6 j4 b+ B: Y7 k$ g1 {. t
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( ^3 e* p' E: f0 ?4 N
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 D( ^, E- _/ m# d# L6 T# j
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 V- {" ?8 I& I# J. e
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# e' P) `5 c0 ^/ B& y0 K! b: n
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,# K1 f) h3 j. v* b7 ^: ^
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ s1 E% u2 F. h: ], I如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- @( e* f  `7 ]8 }: \6 q$ l而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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% \$ }" w. i, j3 \" j導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 x% V$ }9 t% ?# G5 C% y& ]好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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4 m& Q0 a  c$ p5 A( i一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% j) N' R. @! o0 d/ b+ ~0 K0 H改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# h9 Y+ m: w; a5 w: ]0 Z+ W美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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3 {+ O* z/ U0 M' Q0 Y$ l9 M吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 y7 E1 ~  f8 k/ o' r6 `
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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* m: @1 z/ l7 q$ o' @2 S3 I# V& w% D以下是其他人的見解,
1 {  N) s  q. Q9 B# Y  f- j看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 y; N) j0 z- |, Q' f7 j# ?
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 v( v5 Y( {4 Y# I3 P

; `8 X5 ?, s5 h# b* O* }不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 a& U4 y: \- r% q

4 y8 D; J! t. @, B  u我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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+ u4 I9 {' y* _; y9 `9 f同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" |) y% T% P- }' `/ l.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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: K+ o2 h# p% O& `/ X/ i- K  a0 HYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.