Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# J3 S+ R" l, Q* N我係一個連自己都吳信的人( e, Q/ D1 ^* Z/ ?* ~% ^" r/ T
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 G/ i4 U. ~8 a& \) i0 k) E
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....! g& w9 y$ f& ?- @  g

  m3 D' A0 T- d5 k6 mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 m0 f# k; A/ i) P
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: }2 u9 X1 X" l9 c3 j4 Z% @cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話+ i; o/ [* ?1 s& U2 o9 N& v
因為我是情感比理性強的人- O! ^, f5 |; ?' Q0 H
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) X( Y; \0 N0 w6 K/ T3 O* Z& r以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,: R, E; a# Z8 _$ p* \3 S
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 m) q& J- J' h5 D) r3 I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ h, U8 A) [6 e" K, p3 _8 X7 aWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 J6 G0 v0 q& U1 Q& q* G" H
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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8 J! A8 M' _) ?6 f% FLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 @! h% e1 }. t5 t1 d建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( s: H$ i; M  K& m, }, L- ["不信也沒損失"8 j& m6 w# V3 S# z+ @+ I
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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2 ^) @3 C) d1 `* ?8 s9 z( \it's starting because we have sins......2 V  i) ~) h# h+ Q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) {( j( K/ _. E6 W6 L* ^0 C
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' }! W1 i, x& Y2 \- }
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 I# X/ b1 a$ \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 G- W& {( M9 @2 v, ~1 A8 @% w這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 L1 j8 h! j; Z2 r& i( l+ {  C
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 g  V+ \5 T# M' q- u% n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ S: F( f) a$ L0 r3 L
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% s# J& o1 R- E" k7 o; E& `4 B' j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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  d% Y, K) U! v  Q; Z6 ?一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
: S$ {- g7 [# @* {改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: z2 M2 [. p: {% T% [! R1 @; y5 ^& b
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具' s4 V$ }+ D- X4 I7 ]! }& a
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 F! ]# a' r7 Y2 [% h信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,+ J3 r" n8 g  @8 T9 m8 s7 v
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ D' e( |6 k( o- Z0 I
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" J& e" ?0 h( e' T4 p信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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4 R; h+ G# ]& ?* Z" c3 O不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, j6 r  Y) {1 L8 R. @

; d( H4 y, ^; K9 F7 K我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 e2 G: X' A) t. D$ p. w
.............信耶穌... ...

  u9 E" M& J( w; q' XRegarding the resurrection....
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% d- k" c* J, e% uActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( B6 z! }0 [$ [

" p) Q/ Y! O, JYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.