Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# {& C& a2 Q, B3 n我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 M& J& Y4 {" j+ N" `% T呢D就係做人的悲哀

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. O0 p' l: j- f# a' G/ Z* w* P- RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# X* r* \$ u$ X4 g2 R  B9 D
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 A' {! G2 Y) U/ c1 P2 ~2 b+ |
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....! C* L0 }5 u. w$ n" j8 w7 l
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- I) H% @2 s& S, u# f, Q我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ u( B2 b3 R3 C& r" [/ ?1 l* u
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 P! |% r4 Z: p' ]9 G# o
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ S; m3 y& m% h8 F
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... c( u8 [- q0 h' p8 G. t, G
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
* |2 u) T* ~8 ]) O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. F" [/ F& @- q4 `' j6 r. dWhat a statement we have here?; E# B5 ?8 }0 ]/ A1 x$ Y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' z- E: g9 A) v4 P" [

$ ~+ e' w7 M; ^( K  PI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 a: z' T  ^. m/ y& Y

% {- j8 O, M* J0 Y' F0 [. A8 G% ?2 V- yLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( x! [3 j+ R4 b, H( f; B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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% q1 F7 b  G  R3 H6 B"不信也沒損失"
+ |' A7 I) S& J4 V/ }9 J  N2 u3 ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 v- I6 C0 N% x
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: e6 m9 D8 u: u* Q

8 _# s! {; M7 h1 sit's starting because we have sins......
: o, P+ T9 }2 ^. |# X% Asatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# R* E/ C% M4 j$ R, @5 y$ X  }our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 e' K1 J2 k0 J( V# r( x. Q% w6 Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 W8 @9 N% q: M  n+ [' Y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, `6 ]; l9 P! \6 z0 @) @1 o; O
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' @% W: i, c) A4 a如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ J' k' l; p9 P7 V  J  o3 U而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) ]: ?8 T' J4 z  P: E; B* a8 h

  M2 T% i% m4 [/ d- _7 x$ X; ^導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ F9 ]3 X4 t2 ]  J$ C好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 ^# ~2 S; C+ v. r1 ^+ H( y1 B8 Y

, u( s/ P4 i* }8 _5 d9 \2 \% k一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% T. p- ]. {" y改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法5 c. O+ e  g# e8 ?4 G/ T) |# \
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 R5 l0 _5 S+ g0 s+ o

5 e4 W' C* D7 Y3 e宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具$ o. A5 h& h& b' e: C* t
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& V" Q/ \: K  `; D+ ]1 ]0 h
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,- J" ]: V, b1 g9 X/ w* V6 k
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ E! I4 b$ D2 ]& _
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( @" b) A' p* a  s" ?  o$ S) s6 I2 D3 s
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  J% y6 ?! K; i6 ~8 Y& \3 z

2 y* x$ }3 i4 q3 E: f9 G3 g不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 k5 s& L7 m3 W$ r

% @: ~8 f- H, D" }# z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ e) e+ l5 A2 v8 I$ S
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....; o7 ^' J1 \9 p* r: b
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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6 X7 X! w' h5 D7 Y' [8 o! `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.