Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ ]3 {1 H0 ~+ F. O6 p
我係一個連自己都吳信的人* V2 h* y9 c- y7 }% `
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' F$ _1 {  m3 P- t0 B1 @9 _
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: N; S* W  ~0 l" E# Y( R

  u* M4 W# S6 t8 a7 Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ u2 w4 K& B) l, `cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! N! k3 a+ v/ B( G: V; N
我只不過微小的基督徒..................., C; w9 }/ ^- ?" f0 N7 z: m% J
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 d& g! q- e! n( a$ j以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ v! m' a4 H8 L0 c2 c在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 X" ^1 U& ?8 K' K
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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# N! g" f- Q% ]  E& R9 U7 I2 kJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; I4 S* S+ h* ?( g$ V: y/ NI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. d% }5 D; M" d! h3 u* ?6 O

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
1 o6 U( S4 k" N3 S6 {( n# m8 PYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& Q$ o: H: B. t1 rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- D7 b9 d, i$ P
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it's starting because we have sins......' Y1 N8 t5 p' J5 w0 f
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 [* z0 I- G# q0 y: ^# R+ @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; ]5 C* E; {4 ]+ C8 Z$ q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) F) j& w) Q5 P9 O1 W
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; Z8 Y, ?6 \  K/ c# V
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
/ ^! e- Y& v; B- D$ j而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 c  c. `5 C# L- o8 I  O

. ?9 E# n" G( F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 E: v+ r& o( f2 B好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  I) \9 x8 H. K
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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7 {5 N2 ~8 f) O& }; R以下是其他人的見解,
' V5 o$ y% E3 l& n& f看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( F% M2 v$ j! R0 z! _8 O2 H
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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7 |2 W8 X4 H6 x同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: S$ r9 U0 G* Y$ i( E.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.