Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢, `) [; o+ ^! x  P7 K' j6 z. ~9 ^
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# V9 {4 V! Y5 V
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... \7 H! F$ l+ ~% b3 P! K
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 I2 I% |% k& _& F( ?cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 N* z! e$ K8 D9 _7 @我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 r( ~# F7 [. h: @# A
真的!!這不是反話
3 k/ E+ F9 |9 B因為我是情感比理性強的人* }- M% H/ E6 _
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& @8 s: Y& _1 g0 S% s$ a
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 @. U/ @  U  G; I/ T$ [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) f1 V3 W* ^9 a& N$ @& \. V建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; S2 C6 A0 Q1 o+ Y8 WWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 ~  Y" g; A0 B* J
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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. l9 }! H" a0 O7 \8 U# GLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# P6 p$ Z% o* M) l) i/ b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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3 Q$ J: c/ `  j, C! N* Lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ P; f5 o( }2 y% z

9 L! g$ L+ R! iit's starting because we have sins......$ m: _7 t3 U. n) I9 n( \
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / ]' h, w' D" Q. g8 q: E) I
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". v% E8 R) M3 S$ K
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,) I4 i: l+ D1 q) X
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) B7 \6 q: Y% b0 {; L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 K7 K* e- ~7 p2 i: v$ _) r1 J+ g
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 m. ~6 ~5 K$ \' ?而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 r% y/ [, z! L% ^& P好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,/ C( H4 W; T4 d$ m9 _8 [
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! z: ~$ J# ?# V9 j6 `
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ R/ n" f. @; [; x# U& z7 K/ X

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 r/ K/ {% `& y; g  @+ R
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,, p. T$ n$ m7 V; j' ^  l
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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  b# c; u% r; K( E) v: s6 a( a4 U信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& }; M$ Y! B" G! t" W8 U9 B

! [% p- i7 a  e7 D4 `' t/ d不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; ~- P" `8 E* C: J4 k

, `) H" `; |0 a6 P+ x我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
* U1 |. Y( J8 Z% v( W1 a.............信耶穌... ...

1 {# T) H& L- VRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.