Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: U9 S8 c+ d6 F& I* C2 A
我係一個連自己都吳信的人( c8 x/ P7 F5 N3 Q+ `
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 g, X/ A" Z/ L( K道理我知道好多只係做吳到
9 t, u6 l# |/ ~4 j呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; ~; w! v% E7 A! DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ D; {, I( H3 Z
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, o0 Z, p4 q& T, Echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. u/ P; C1 F1 V6 P
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 {6 E6 R' D5 Q; e# j以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 u3 K) L+ C0 U4 \' ]- s  h, z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." J7 i% A$ a4 D8 {+ m6 ]0 G
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 L; A2 V7 ~; R+ h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' W3 X5 _$ r+ \5 D8 \3 K9 fWhat a statement we have here?* f1 J( [4 b# ]4 L: b: ]. O" H

3 |- `# m7 Y* ]' @9 ?Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ |6 U) p0 l# n8 H  T3 E
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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8 I7 C4 {3 X) L[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 F2 \. g) w# q. A. J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"* J. n& Q7 i. Q+ ^3 Z- f
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 g* d& ~# j+ L
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; {- |  [5 B3 S( @! D% i) B

8 C4 k% o4 `- S8 L9 I7 r# ^: m7 eit's starting because we have sins......
4 |" k9 L9 Q1 a6 a0 U" U9 Vsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
2 Y- ]! H5 B! i& s只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" F, ~! x& {: [用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- Z3 u7 J6 F  b2 y! ]' X
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 }$ I. J8 |& _; W如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, s( E4 c& V5 N' R3 M6 J
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 s: H& ?  I7 X' T
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( r: E4 W! v+ A& V
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" A( d1 g+ V7 f4 X/ f( G; P5 p5 m
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以下是其他人的見解," m, Y! b' D2 D/ h8 w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' k+ Y' o( u$ H3 C+ |# r  ^

9 X; u* C8 y5 p3 K0 L7 v- l8 F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ B$ l( M7 P3 R& r1 {- @, B+ d

, T  H8 F; T1 ~) I) V8 U我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" c' @' c2 p; m# D; b2 i
.............信耶穌... ...

2 N1 t# |9 D2 bRegarding the resurrection....4 T0 a" D. m7 H+ \# }6 A: Q
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: N5 @6 x7 C, [7 u# H- P

4 y5 m( x( R4 `0 L9 F1 tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.