Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ T& J+ ^( N7 u  ~我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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5 K9 a, ~% x  T0 ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 a3 o/ X8 R( Z5 H% `呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 N0 m4 k# Z- n" V' X7 o7 U5 w- n$ n

1 h+ b* W  b3 c& S' jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  d6 s/ X9 ?! a' c
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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( c# m7 j9 q4 j8 F6 O因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 X# l+ y  o+ x5 s! M: H以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 }% b, z7 E& l( Z0 k$ v" |8 E) u+ @; {
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
. ?. P8 T6 k7 G/ `( D( k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; I+ j* S9 i2 P7 VWhat a statement we have here?
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4 t/ u/ V( H% f6 |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 C+ ?" F+ n6 ~8 o/ H% k

; _  V4 ~, m( w; n% L) Y& k; BI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 ]) I# @2 c' e9 P
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' J, d; ^/ i, K7 Z% K2 ]"不信也沒損失"
8 f: y2 ~* |& E" l1 s1 ~- f6 cYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- T* V! E( |0 B9 c3 cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 f5 X' x1 o2 {2 U! B
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it's starting because we have sins......- S: i3 B' `$ Y% s" M& ~( }
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 O! }. P3 O: i1 iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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8 X# A; ], F/ `' l& j: Q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- M8 l6 Q- P$ g" Y) P! t
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% x% L8 z- }$ Y& e( V) {
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) ]9 {( S" P5 R  _0 u" J; w
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. o7 h1 u: g2 G5 u
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% u9 |% X/ ~$ w8 p/ ?
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 l3 W1 {' ]% h. r0 s美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...# m+ f/ |6 R5 b9 A0 b4 a
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- U1 h$ L4 {- t" g8 ~8 ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 C+ Q: X0 [' ^8 E

4 L  i! ^& h& r( Y* l7 [# z9 ^1 T以下是其他人的見解,) N, o) P# f, l1 V
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!/ V' [) t" u) E- w$ R. R9 O

3 @. T1 N5 g  _$ U0 S' k' W6 d. \不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 h+ z) d& p% x. i9 e9 A6 n$ G  K9 x

6 {/ k9 z$ ~+ n1 `8 \- W我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" G8 \+ V+ t2 u.............信耶穌... ...

, K4 W4 l1 s  vRegarding the resurrection....
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  M: R% B" G) Y" P# h0 LActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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6 V: l" @  Y7 dYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.