Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) S) b9 c1 J$ D; n  Z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 a' Z4 `0 I1 t5 s, m1 y8 l% U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 y2 ]$ |: X' u/ y$ {& ]8 BNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& e; |' e7 ~' U# W

1 i- t7 r. b! }9 b/ k* GNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 F' R" O! L/ q, ~# C( [" p
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' \& ~* _9 ?% E2 N3 w: K

6 b" S( q% m. z; r( fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ y3 A# e3 R( x0 Ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ ?8 V& r. Y0 H0 z: b& `# N0 P
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." h& K9 q6 M  e5 T
真的!!這不是反話( `( ?( I! D3 j% l7 z5 d+ k' R6 O
因為我是情感比理性強的人
( `5 m# N' o, }% P2 v% i* L. A所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 ^4 j; a' x  A, `. i) F以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  z. ]7 d$ x- E2 V( ]
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; i; P9 O1 M1 ?7 h2 A, b" w0 z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! l" p) d; H& Z/ DWhat a statement we have here?$ p' d5 ?. a; ]
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + @. Z2 s1 u4 _: P. O
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 S9 F7 O, {0 y, `+ U+ {9 C) ]& n
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 N. t: |. j( e* S, ?+ @3 K

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ \) }* ~/ K# K! Y3 R# C7 b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
; u- @2 E/ X& w3 C9 h3 v8 E! @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 ~2 n  F8 Z9 Z3 \4 c9 p2 _; S
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) E+ v2 w: A% i2 g9 F% X8 ~

& r' S" Y. b5 E* qit's starting because we have sins....... ]! L' b. m% f2 C0 j
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) u; x9 t: b! I2 W8 a% @1 g
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: P% L( {$ f. [: G; \只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, `$ k/ l  D1 z! q) ^5 ]
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  Z- j/ @! O8 k7 o" Y' v
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( v- c) J, W1 X/ h( c
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: Y6 T3 b% a$ R* X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" J) s. f6 I. e8 M

' I+ y# {3 O& R/ P+ z, ?導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  C$ _' C2 B- V/ `( o
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 t, k9 t: B" I# Z5 H5 H, C0 _一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 c7 c4 W$ b3 l$ l: c
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 S! M/ T) K" J( Y/ j
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( E& T! U9 p. r. w( ]; b
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以下是其他人的見解,* z( d7 G2 {* {( [+ N
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! `3 |7 r1 a; G2 W
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! c( O' B1 l8 ]8 \1 A4 X+ f

8 ^+ b" W/ _8 W% ]- L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' O/ L& K. s8 e2 S+ S( h6 c) _
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  @6 t" h" r, S5 ^6 r; Q6 g
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) {0 I+ e, N& ^# z- I7 ]+ d" E4 ].............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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9 Q3 L: k% n  ^  JYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.