Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 I# E  T3 B8 g1 \9 l我係一個連自己都吳信的人2 ]$ }7 ]- L6 E
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' C, F9 [6 m0 z2 u% e' f
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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- m& A+ p/ Z$ I8 HNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: ]2 r. I  a$ ^7 q0 g0 H& D8 [

: }$ C4 X/ w& W; l8 VNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  ~, d# Y4 q0 L( P5 ?% Z/ B* O6 c3 F* r
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 M$ P7 h1 ]" V& h$ ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...... F* N- o+ m! Y! K% U- @( }$ }
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' x/ m- B7 v' ?+ [7 x( k7 H
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 Z2 x6 J5 m" _) [以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& s& r4 v+ e. }" N, C& x7 g
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...; R' v0 @, v' p
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ @1 W& \) \4 j' m+ E9 L, E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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6 N! G  Q8 l* x& H, eJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% s* {$ X& ?* C( J) e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." g2 ^5 p5 N- n* [) e, z, Z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 U$ Q9 D1 U% H7 ^

3 i- [' Q0 m3 }0 @- Mit's starting because we have sins......
0 n( N3 J/ N* z  ~1 \9 q- `satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( J" f& W: c/ w) B
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ y& [; j  i% U& D, R- R- ]
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
4 ?+ Y3 P' f- Y4 W$ X. k用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# \- ~7 J' c3 d0 k2 n* g) a" q5 F; L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 M" K3 E* Y  B- t5 Q+ t
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 O8 X8 G3 X* q' T8 |" y- a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! W  H; F7 h+ ], r' r8 v
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: Q; [) r! X) L% u+ L) Q) w  V

% V+ m& ?. i( l0 J0 ?吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 n" r) i% }' t( m6 r
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' {9 _8 {. J* f6 v
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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: B" M% m4 U' R$ ]* |/ }信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ u: |  U1 j- v- x1 ^/ C3 g: n$ W3 `; Q! y

- \& z' ]4 [' q2 w4 X不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 h. E5 W  ~7 \) z6 f; a' G$ D2 f

5 [2 s( S2 m5 _8 U* ]我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; M- C  u) K6 W8 r. @6 x

; ~; K2 Q* B+ ?* j6 P* C# Y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 V1 S# _  I- ?4 P' T8 U
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....( w/ V! G, _$ Y$ ]9 K) D, i

( I$ V3 T+ p5 `% g- q: P4 C$ u6 ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 @9 L+ }6 A' o0 w- F. q  R
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.