Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 z: h( v% d  n3 T  G4 {# `
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
" C9 y4 Z. T5 p2 k又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ O" k  E" L- Y; Q- K  B" C+ C  f道理我知道好多只係做吳到
. |$ A* {( h6 d% c呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: x$ }* C) N' ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., i$ P5 p4 g9 W' ]
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 `/ S7 _$ c8 j) i  @( Lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 c& |5 l- c& rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- X6 P6 m0 {9 v% f" {/ X5 c我只不過微小的基督徒.................../ B3 P5 _2 f4 l# y/ E: \0 y
真的!!這不是反話
7 M# I% Y& v" U3 _因為我是情感比理性強的人: V0 z, h* T9 M$ V9 V% W" o
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: @* @" t9 h6 {7 i: {# r! r1 U  ^以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: l* r) S- c# R, _# v% v# h/ N在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 M/ a0 `# J' i+ B& B6 f+ K& m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?3 H4 z: p7 ?7 x. H! q

  d6 `. @" G3 |6 B1 e6 B3 _Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 U$ I0 S6 C% A. ~0 I% l
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 F5 c* x  ]+ K) _7 l

# I+ j' Q: Z: }8 `Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% d6 }- Q# Z& s) C

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
7 _9 Q1 F" d. z2 z& wYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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; Z* t. g3 l; \" @it's starting because we have sins......! W! C2 `# a9 e0 W+ W4 |4 ~$ A
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 y. Y2 W& w# y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% E1 a; Z. g+ M" e( A8 A  Y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 s  y4 A) {$ E& d& V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 L+ J9 K6 ^. }6 X5 u7 o% G8 A5 }" }# N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: M1 ^3 A9 I' ?; k% \( q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. I0 I# `, S+ j6 H8 Y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ M0 o% i: S  K- S( M4 @" S5 r

" W) b" m" s9 y! Q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! u/ i: g0 {2 b
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; T3 J1 }  O" B* e3 d( u' J8 r% v
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 h; y3 d' }3 a. {; S2 X7 K
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 }" h1 ]* y' A! M
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' D, b& k  D/ E2 r8 r7 D: k* c4 e
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以下是其他人的見解,* s. g: z8 j2 J: A9 E
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 J4 z5 o3 m. U8 {2 Q+ w) n
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 U& y0 j, `* U- K& r) s# ~

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& N4 D/ @# X8 \) m" Q0 }, q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
' C8 m/ h' W7 ?5 w2 m; b.............信耶穌... ...

, `& ^7 O; Q9 t  C4 F: r  M& TRegarding the resurrection....4 i8 j$ R; V9 s, t! s" e

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) h$ J0 O' R2 n$ ~  S% t4 r* `/ XYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.