Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' a# ?3 s  ~9 m/ n+ i我係一個連自己都吳信的人" J: ]$ h/ ^' }3 w5 ^
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. l; f9 b* I! V# k5 C. K, c
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' K3 f5 l" @9 y5 ]+ L/ p# u
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 F/ r" V5 i+ e* @9 q. S! U# h! aNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 b3 S. R2 v* e  fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 R+ m. E* v9 u+ b( r7 h
我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ v  G9 u- T; y$ D% Y
真的!!這不是反話2 o7 \0 x9 k" Z3 J$ G# Z
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: s! I5 _7 U/ g, h1 F1 p0 X1 p以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 W" Z5 G- q' M% u6 {1 J) _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 j5 r+ B; K& O" F8 Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* q6 o: D- c& s# UWhat a statement we have here?
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% k7 @; ], y! Z1 \* z: KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : Z* G$ F. b! @! N' p$ B9 L5 h

7 t( B4 c) U5 V, F# LI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." Z0 k& m6 X, b" ^

' ]- p% ~2 @  N2 w& d: tLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 S% G0 Q) h' ?
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
" C1 c( h9 N/ [& K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  s9 t5 D1 O( S% }: ^5 R"不信也沒損失", P. Q7 S! n+ H& T
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., f& J4 h. J0 b0 C
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......$ Y3 t) _0 _: {: W) Z! J  u  @+ b& r
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 T1 ^% Y6 G* X4 l3 m! _
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( o# }. Z0 k0 A! h
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 l+ B* l1 b' h# N: f- V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 Y; r0 Q5 P" H. z+ A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 |' }6 o. I+ V, a# p
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ E: e: e! E. d- K* d
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, u% t, r0 Q/ P( y, y) d& T) W4 [0 f5 k

% u* }2 B, R9 t8 I. o+ e導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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; V1 Y  d. p3 L- I, [( C6 l. O改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ C! J, d" t$ g* c; h
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 Z2 Q7 B5 d7 C0 |2 N$ m
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* f/ Y  L+ z% u: S/ {0 _, L; G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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2 o5 s$ O  E7 M9 i( c9 I* K$ q以下是其他人的見解,2 b2 P+ @3 M" m+ @% Y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ ^. T. k& O) w: l8 X0 ]3 _

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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! P- r6 S# Q5 z0 P* r同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& b/ n% R  a  I. G
.............信耶穌... ...

% n( a& g) `! H8 E! F) L) c2 tRegarding the resurrection....4 q( t4 u$ R1 A" F' D
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& s  ~* n! ]* t: n) b0 I2 {! p( R. L

# m5 \: c% e8 T7 m, r2 I6 }You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.