Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& P$ e+ p; f' l* V4 ~0 N. Q) P我係一個連自己都吳信的人
) }0 u. r1 G: D# V. D又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢% T8 f" r. k( D" Q# r" S
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
. u% l0 G! x- F呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 C% v: v( U: \5 ?
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; q9 G# _) e. S$ X: q7 y

7 C% i( r' n2 G+ Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 {# Q& i% y/ s+ d& z! U1 A* b; D

4 b( J* i2 z  H3 N9 `9 U; B8 ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 U# o$ ^3 G# q+ ~- m" lcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* \( D' }/ \4 `) Y: @4 K
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# I. z+ w! Q0 H
真的!!這不是反話' M* B* t2 ~3 H( r) J; T8 a
因為我是情感比理性強的人; ~0 F3 f* E: e% q" w
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 ~; [* M* y+ U$ R2 x
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# O( j: q- z: e0 [. K" d% y在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) @8 b- N% m7 `( {) }建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & K6 Z# J; }7 G

" {% N) N' @1 |: |I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% H+ y- M+ N+ a) G( d  \( P9 ]2 J
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; @/ i' J2 `0 a0 f0 [" S

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
( m- f  m" H) [7 z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 q2 n: p, ?$ S2 U"不信也沒損失"
# G8 N; n" p% Z. C! k: |4 [; i; bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# [6 ]2 G3 u! b" ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 d& l; D" c! L0 s+ z- a

+ N" B3 n' c5 h  }it's starting because we have sins......
! P. U$ l" [' j0 tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
1 a/ _6 G" d; L. \our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 F* Y# Q% `* O  ]- y$ q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 e9 V- i! z& d! _# l
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 T# R$ y' e$ G8 o) S+ ^2 g7 h這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 a+ z7 C# n' }5 b8 i7 D4 u3 J  A
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," i) l5 M3 w+ b+ q( n
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 w% Y; v- T: X3 F8 }+ b
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 d: M& l( K; B0 _
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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# E. _% X- ]( g, v" \! L宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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+ c& M: X/ P1 q4 L: z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,, j! |5 _3 r' \7 l9 x+ a
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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; {1 }& I7 h3 ~* u. o以下是其他人的見解,) N5 B2 v: q9 e  }; p
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 @6 \, o/ g* u5 d& M) {( t. z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!  ?4 `+ y) P+ ~3 l( r$ c5 C
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" g) }5 f, k& u& g  b
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% I( R6 ^3 K1 a( C+ v1 \6 G.............信耶穌... ...

4 g* |6 |4 D1 e9 p) }/ z, gRegarding the resurrection....& D6 [# \; e/ p+ D! V- m$ H

" l1 u/ Y( f; n  lActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.