Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 ^* k" {8 [# n% |0 v( k' J我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ J% X+ p2 |3 k0 i- w/ g7 n4 T3 r
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 T+ P% a! i9 E0 h# I: s- H; [
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, [9 A( }8 A' r& S& `( e9 j2 n
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) x1 H- Y- c& @! J8 W* zNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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1 V$ W2 w4 `/ @! t/ }Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; L4 H/ ~# J4 _4 W) E" f
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 z7 A; p+ S2 k+ y. y
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! H& \) Y; p' k, n3 Y6 Pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* i' x& M+ B0 e( @' h7 Q; D8 u6 r
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
+ R0 V. ?: I9 R: I: ?& X真的!!這不是反話
2 x4 P4 H' m5 _) J因為我是情感比理性強的人, i0 O! f6 g1 v6 z% C
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,! H2 O. ~5 [8 m
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( B5 W- H4 P" Q: j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) j1 C4 k0 p' ~6 u, B: j5 h建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 h% @* h; c2 m8 m3 Q6 x5 v" D" ~What a statement we have here?' X  F' G& m/ b* d" X; g) F

. o/ c( p+ y4 a4 i& A5 o& q, wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   G, z* }) Z9 w7 p8 }: ~! X- R

# Y) }3 e+ g3 U$ }  n9 n: EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* V% B* n0 P9 ?& z- f1 W
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 p" Q) M4 w9 t
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# K% T! C& Q8 e; ?1 d. `( l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ \! o8 X+ T# c0 Q+ P% xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* D, u4 A% q# i  H$ N6 t6 J
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it's starting because we have sins......1 f6 F4 f9 R2 z4 q! v
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; f. s' T7 ?+ vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ ~  @7 J1 G  s2 w: f' M8 U  `8 x
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 y8 c3 m1 ]+ G, R& r用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: w& v( r2 T) u* o4 c/ K4 Y# b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) W. t/ _+ N# |+ L3 ~如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 H6 d4 N' `$ x/ R. I6 F) d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# W6 }4 e$ x) {1 @

  \% V+ C# W( U: M2 V導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 h% c4 V) U- y! B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# y! [# N! s, d1 K5 Q

& I0 x0 t5 L& f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
+ K* f4 e! @0 P$ F5 l- e8 ^* Z改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. n; |1 l4 `- N; ~& D1 |) u
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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% ]3 i  C2 V9 T; s宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具0 j# x& g3 \( d- I. J

* h3 b  q1 j$ {( F吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,7 D% ]* i) e/ H; T5 J" k  R( q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
4 g1 D/ g- p( m3 C* K! L看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& ]; O, }; n% x! d6 D
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm  F( }: c0 V+ e/ E
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 H( o& z5 M. w' m

8 M$ u/ P* V; }: A+ ^不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' N0 w$ x  s7 q* ]  V" Y+ [0 H

/ _6 H$ ]: t( r4 Y" R- w/ V  i我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 G; v* G2 _/ a. i/ G.............信耶穌... ...

8 g- r( ?/ b8 v- k; [6 JRegarding the resurrection....
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% I' u# G, ^  G9 O6 {Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# e* B  f+ _! }& K, Z; g
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.