Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:7 y" y( M) O# J& E" e( a% l* A
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 F: f9 \& L8 }5 K4 U$ Y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: ]. O( x, g/ M- B( Q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
8 F- f3 z% i# ]1 F1 @3 D6 J1 F呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ `( r- w/ P) m) g4 o5 f' y1 dNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 Z2 B1 o& {; n9 n5 w( R( x# H  t
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ e4 Y7 H/ a3 `! e' @, Q
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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+ q! j" Y' m9 w( z) ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' U" E9 }5 W3 K6 `8 R* Zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 [: Q+ n! D8 q$ m2 E; O2 S我只不過微小的基督徒...................: m/ W# C& H- _" p$ Q
真的!!這不是反話8 A" H/ V3 @- _, d6 M
因為我是情感比理性強的人5 u3 }+ f) q, `4 T
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 @0 f3 ?9 y9 d+ X$ ]4 \0 B
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
. t, J/ |! o- m9 V在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) V& e, O9 X( s2 ~. s) w0 H4 C建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?+ J  ?8 O( f. f- y- }

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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& }! @1 {& y6 H( T! c) |8 s

2 A. E5 \9 R0 j( k' ULooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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: Y6 u' Y$ F8 b0 A9 h"不信也沒損失"7 C( L/ [9 g# @9 P3 E7 U
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) ~. x9 u+ X' Kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." n# X' i# K7 V

' ]- P4 Q+ E* d* g0 R, R6 s2 bit's starting because we have sins......
+ b  K" {+ o6 j% csatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, @( G% C+ Q, Y' l1 Rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". }5 ~  j# i! ~7 P5 v6 Z5 c3 S
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
8 w- h# p3 m- y" U如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- h1 G, L% c6 C2 ^; y) b! m6 b7 W+ w/ Z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 X2 u. X1 F0 J: J- Y

: _' s$ g* n, ?" q2 i4 T導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 e! q8 X+ B$ [. a- C  r
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# D& R# P7 Y/ W9 T, e' `& k- o4 O+ z4 d
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
- n2 ]& C2 @! g& x4 u/ P0 z; J改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% x5 ~$ k# l; N美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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: h/ ]/ y0 \6 G) R3 i( h5 j% ]吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# i4 ^- j" j- W信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,; N9 v6 ^7 a1 h% z6 a0 Y  R1 M" I; W
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 ]1 `; L0 M' `( J3 G0 f; r: A
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 |" N4 @( f9 z# q
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' l, i; s9 A" o4 i

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; z3 x8 \0 k5 P同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) o+ W" ^- }3 K9 A8 J" t& y# N8 Z3 R.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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# j6 P' M- J0 P2 B1 t0 MActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....& c( i$ s+ ]9 f* p9 u
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.