Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. ]. I7 U  h; T我係一個連自己都吳信的人
) M7 I$ z0 I4 l1 b7 }又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 R  x0 ]! x8 w/ V0 d; F# c道理我知道好多只係做吳到
# ^/ ?- C- G& a8 U( F* x呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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1 X; D9 ~( Y& c7 qNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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( Y6 E- S7 g6 a* B5 [) M* bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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# K/ z) b0 W( `1 [' l7 e7 ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 `& z4 [  \1 Z9 @) J我只不過微小的基督徒...................& T* z7 w8 I6 J+ P% N5 c
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 h' u3 b' X1 H  p  }4 q4 g* c以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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8 L' E/ B" m5 w: l0 H9 O2 FWhat a statement we have here?
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, @$ w! D* \: l$ p! p, }# sJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? " G) _% H2 J: C% Z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 N% c, P6 |) g. x* CLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ c1 Y& d. d0 y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  T& @( f7 U: d, M0 |"不信也沒損失"8 d" b3 F0 Y1 Y5 E" ^6 u4 ?
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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- ?- F: q  O3 n; O5 Xit's starting because we have sins......( W( Q, o- p# U( g
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % Z! M+ P4 s! ]$ o# Q4 f% C
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* K8 u" S) m3 Z6 T
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 y8 d% i3 e1 s6 x. N
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 ]. a" o* y' e9 G
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' w4 O% \, ]5 l% M2 D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% ?0 W9 D; ?) H# |而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 V4 k% h/ e' p( a5 f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 _. `1 U2 d; Q  A7 V0 }6 Y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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- c- @, [  M" b) N) |5 R4 c一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
1 L, C6 K7 ~1 \改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" ]1 E0 H( ]# z美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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) v9 M# i3 D! U* T; |/ K( l- U信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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* f" T1 b& x$ C以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 }$ }0 e; D: v% Q; w4 f

* k1 Z& y4 a9 U, K. J0 q$ y3 |信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; W( x  D- X" P* M) N: W7 ^) a- x
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" B5 F0 P* `. U2 E# t6 w
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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) K9 a; T& t9 I. A# @同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ }7 w+ l8 E. _7 A# h( T
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( T5 f6 t( Y+ }7 ~9 ]( q

/ f1 }7 D% V9 `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.