Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% b: j/ k2 S) R% b我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, w- {1 o: f1 ]2 M! a又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢% D$ ~4 |& W6 Q
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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. p* }9 V# u; ^% t, Z3 v7 nNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' n4 L, r2 o# ?- M' a
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 G9 O; q9 c+ I# _4 ~

- s$ D$ X2 r8 e7 Mmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." X3 Y- z* o8 k/ F
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, s) d% ]. U. x6 `7 M( I/ @6 ~
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 P) F8 X& ]+ F" {1 Q) D' b以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,, ], y! K( i' x  m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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5 A! M& G# y2 N; w7 a8 dWhat a statement we have here?2 u; k. x6 T$ j1 y, o
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! }3 W% E  i3 Z: f( \% _
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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9 O- E8 B$ d) A/ q3 r/ n2 t"不信也沒損失"; W- k4 U5 h8 S
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ b1 c% Q+ f0 }: h: V" Y' A- ]
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& c& r4 u6 |+ U$ t

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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' p! o0 i# T8 H: ~6 j6 T
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 J! B6 c% E1 k; }3 p) I- `; N7 O% R! z) U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 X9 e. D$ O8 z# ]* g4 W5 L' X+ |
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" k/ I, R# n1 |# Z+ O5 t8 }這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ v( U: o* h; }, L! e
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 c% c* j: g' G- {% Z* b! n
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# \8 K/ \' E0 v: p" f

# H& r5 y9 f0 z  h+ n, a導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ E( m! @$ E& Q2 i$ R! {+ m
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ u* K9 w. m2 N$ Z0 w2 X
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 [  U8 d5 F. B9 y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具: @; s, r4 D' r1 v4 E' A5 ~

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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$ W3 l5 r+ y; J; v1 G" Q8 A以下是其他人的見解,6 h" ]2 T1 a/ G/ B# |# P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ C: D4 m0 E+ _; n$ \/ X  ?2 A

7 w5 q3 x" D, T7 g) c& y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. Q# w' ~0 t. s. Q
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 O% ?/ W. g/ D: N

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/ j( v% Q6 O0 z6 j, [/ E) \0 A% W同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 A5 Z8 _& U# b; M& N- ].............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 m& `/ |! t: e# e3 _7 n# t
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.