Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ z7 b- T2 m+ V7 S* b
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 t% n. J! d4 {0 a* A! D
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 i6 x% I% Y0 L4 G
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... Q* k0 }+ l# k: t1 A- \& ^
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ F& ]! G0 n; r  `
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 }% u3 C8 \' F% a5 Z& j9 v+ Gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ R+ K. g6 {! ~( N
我只不過微小的基督徒...................; X* b) l+ C8 ~! u; |
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# v- Y8 D3 a4 }$ O6 g
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( m, r/ }0 D( b
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  |' g; n: x: J/ L8 W$ _# M
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  e0 ]% z- ^5 F8 u7 v建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 x" _( S- P# f* ?  z1 P1 `& M6 qWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- k6 D, n2 y5 P3 y9 j: V- a. n

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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:  W: X1 l. C* S7 n- n  x: t% L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"8 |  Y6 p+ M( i. h1 D% m
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 U) O/ ]9 T3 M6 Q# ]* ~7 X) hbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ L( a) `7 j: r" [- M8 o5 ~

  P! m' e& z! h, |5 N. wit's starting because we have sins......! x1 _+ j' p& ]+ l8 E0 ^! N+ B
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us $ a" B% \( b9 Q% V1 \
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 F" y$ z8 l, A+ E& X: F只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 X' U9 w8 ^: Y, S用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,: L( |* W- ?5 p# V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: b8 I, p# g% W% m+ S; p2 g, Q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# y* {4 y0 M# h而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" `& M0 w4 d- ]1 j" A  |8 y+ j- @
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: a1 k! I- v8 d: P, B2 o
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; F1 p9 W, V) x# k8 D- G0 J! ~- f$ l
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* E2 Z9 H  ~% c: I: U' }
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." j5 n  R4 d' q; f; {4 X

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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+ ^; X# W; P2 z8 b( u以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm, w- H, Y. r$ Y5 `+ W0 o' L

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# ^7 d& Q2 q6 d/ I, v信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: _3 W  O% T4 z+ t3 H& _! L
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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. }* v& J( D# L; `我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! a3 G/ i2 T5 M' U; `

' {0 k7 f% b" x& z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 ^" x! L1 |- x% ~& w4 p
.............信耶穌... ...

' b" {* _, L1 {; z: y! QRegarding the resurrection....4 z# m2 L+ G, y* C4 t" M
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.