Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 z3 k9 }/ k! Z" k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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' ~+ S: {3 d* z* Q& XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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; c  u* o: ~, ^3 T& Y2 }Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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( M- D, h/ C2 [$ B& Ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 I4 Y" {" p, b# J; }cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ y% a3 k4 ~% N( l0 P我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 `/ y5 Z1 l) V
真的!!這不是反話+ U/ e. {2 {  p7 y) H/ O  N% J
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- O' H$ R' @9 K" F2 j6 P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,& Z. a& D. }9 H7 E# W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...2 Z( A% r7 {6 }, ?! c" r' R( v
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 G' a9 E5 ?9 a' E3 q: d1 J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., |) X/ ?) e8 Q- q0 I9 a, m8 |
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) c1 F. ?4 S/ s; ?: B
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( D- E) [3 h( M1 Y( o9 z4 n4 p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
* o/ ~3 d$ C* u# w1 p+ ZYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: i. [. n+ |/ f% h# dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......5 N& Y8 |% \$ J. [/ M& b; `4 D6 }; Y
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 G5 A% Q7 Y/ L4 _6 aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" i9 x3 M1 K, W+ s, G; `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% g3 x; k2 I$ {4 T- N1 V3 @/ L
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 }: x$ o6 d; P: k
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- y" n6 {( T$ O3 Z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% N+ r5 w( A5 U% |# t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 y; G( z3 ?) |# _) }

0 J  @. R- N8 p) l# A0 i1 z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; ~6 U' J0 j4 i
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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; ~# r0 m" e! I3 t. \) G9 `4 A( N宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," y5 B4 s5 ~' [2 R# {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干' f; ~0 V+ I/ I
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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% \8 f( [1 f" r% g+ Q4 E5 b不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" Y, ~# Q, L! u5 Y
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% [! Z: J1 N) @5 L* u: z! p. k7 r

8 L: ~4 n' D. o同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 m+ f/ a, c8 W; S
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.