Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" [& N: i/ h" I
我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ I; i0 b! i. U
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 `( c" k) h, n9 P+ J道理我知道好多只係做吳到
+ B3 D3 P1 {$ m# g呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; ?; v) B( r1 u% R" e' P7 jNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) s. d8 q5 ]- ?5 v
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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6 n* s( `) N8 A+ u" Z) n; C8 vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 X/ }- h5 P# Y$ C; ~' W- Y- q: }cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( T* G$ C$ z0 z我只不過微小的基督徒...................( |: E+ R  t' j: q  [
真的!!這不是反話6 W: m5 r4 s9 v5 _0 m. K2 x
因為我是情感比理性強的人/ i, U! T/ ?& A+ p& a1 V; A7 m  d- }
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 E8 }+ ^+ v; e8 w  ^
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; e" ^! ~. z# w* U在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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3 ^* c) K7 r% v5 o) IWhat a statement we have here?0 S& m$ f3 G; Y9 @. S
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! `* {% c: x- C# X: Q

1 }: R( @/ c) f  |' `4 C' fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# P; b: G/ {- d
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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* t! u$ B' B8 k  _& J"不信也沒損失"5 u4 E) P" W8 A8 T$ Q% {8 a8 e
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; f/ D' A% I& w
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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- n& ]3 J! h" ]- `7 O. _# C/ c3 P4 nit's starting because we have sins......
8 c' r" ?% G7 C$ b! q: l" Ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' D, O' R- m% q  I3 O, Uour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
+ @% }3 z# m9 v; Q  T! I* n) }. k$ P只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ p8 Y- x$ F" o( O6 C# Q; z' H用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; K* V0 h" |+ x6 o  q1 n這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
3 T% @. m6 s8 |. ^1 {2 A7 T6 {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# \$ o9 N& H8 {& H0 j4 x- r2 k) ?: L而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~( a* u* U+ K2 d- D
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; |% T0 T2 M: K好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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8 ]) c! N) k) W% y# E一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 v9 A5 X% [: t% @  L+ [( G
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 ~+ h* W: F' Q9 ?4 J" Z7 U9 A
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 j" g, z6 c1 t: W* r: E. O# j吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," U% t: g% n. Z- B
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! E  ?6 U3 l, y" L! f
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& e; u% f  b" T) q9 `" p2 k& O9 k/ K
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 A2 \0 `: Q" o

' \* r$ G' u! D* u' D/ h: O+ S我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 V6 @/ o) r7 z% C: e$ P
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....7 O( U  z) r5 K7 q( C

7 Q5 C2 U. t4 j: U% ZActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 x2 ]& t  ~) J# E. a
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.