Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ D4 ^6 C3 m6 |我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 X$ _: v$ o. u
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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/ w) g$ x6 k" }呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) Z8 `2 s: ?2 q8 s  J( `9 C  NNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& `* K3 M! p5 \: V, ~: q

& j4 K7 |2 X- X0 m9 eNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 Z& f/ P* J; ]7 y7 {9 \( }

; ~' L* g. @/ Zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....9 }$ b/ Y2 _# B; x, o4 H
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- a( R8 a9 ]5 R1 }, X3 C; l
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: _: Y  q- T# O- }$ \' Q' C
真的!!這不是反話1 j6 d$ I0 p4 M
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- g" N% y+ H8 z* _" p$ H" s
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: o/ B: V! V, o6 F6 o4 n' i* n在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 `! |7 L1 \% ^, c7 e7 {
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?3 Q* X  l& y! ~0 b7 A
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 M+ C3 V0 p) j: m4 L- h7 t0 F

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 Z" Y- T9 f5 Y) J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' g! |; Z0 I2 Y"不信也沒損失"
/ d  Q1 u+ B$ g8 GYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ l. |4 I1 e7 P+ ~% a' V/ O) H4 q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) r" n( R7 `' V- T
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it's starting because we have sins......& O+ x( z# Y7 z+ r3 a
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
, u+ H  `, \8 |5 w# |0 j, E8 [% }只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- e- a) B! A: t3 H7 d, G  d3 [用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& {! t" T3 Z" t$ B這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. x, L, W0 s9 o' S5 q/ y) Z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,3 f8 s+ r& i2 |8 V6 L5 |/ _* w  V
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 q9 ?7 X- ?5 u- u3 ^7 J

# |  z' X% C1 S* L% o) O) @4 G5 I導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- X0 x) V2 n/ y" [2 S- I: O
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7 N. R0 ]& @  K# t& n8 m一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# D: [4 ?7 ~+ T9 ~% T
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法# }& R2 u. U6 h
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 \% `! `: n, z: @" X

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. B* A2 F) U- z/ E  n4 p2 g吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 A; H( F! m4 Q+ i6 l! m: H
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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- R7 R; X% k- }8 t1 Y0 H& B8 o以下是其他人的見解,. v. f, ]* g0 W' u* J4 A
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 k! y  K, |: X5 R+ c# [2 z

6 ?( b: |2 }, A# A" \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 }( O8 }' d; a) V
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- e7 h9 W% s. _/ g6 @2 p5 p
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....  T- v. T  K0 g; `
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.