Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 \- s( x. y$ e) `2 {9 u我係一個連自己都吳信的人
* p. H5 x4 O! `+ u又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 s7 w. [8 ?( M- p( v道理我知道好多只係做吳到. B2 L9 q% W! h3 x2 K
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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& N% [& V7 Y$ o( ^- O  r6 `8 QNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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( }0 ?3 q) e) H: S  x% i1 Q# eNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 L3 `( b( o+ E8 }

! n0 q0 o. J  `6 L5 x" Cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 W& E7 N0 ]: C2 h: F* I& h, Dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( ]9 F3 R( G! o) I) @& M$ Vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- C( c! ]* x. M% X" Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................' O( ^2 Z" y9 [8 x
真的!!這不是反話
+ u1 h9 w3 u5 d因為我是情感比理性強的人
( z* x4 Y* Z; C4 E2 M& T9 s0 c, h所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ h& V! c4 U! P" @
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ _4 }  w+ E3 K; ~0 j9 N在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# ?5 y' ?4 Z0 l0 G& V- ^$ d
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% k3 H: b) g2 ~+ w+ f建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?$ Y+ g7 j% F: @5 Q

3 ^9 g/ q+ H* I' `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 Y& X: ^! q4 U7 |  M$ kI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! p5 {! M$ i+ O$ w, t9 a" j

- z; Z) v. a  iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo: }' G/ E2 c7 n& d- a( L. o
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! A! Z  v1 g6 R& v; `# R# @! s. B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"  j( N& Y9 T" V3 S! e
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% [* y# k8 G- K* d* t
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
7 T' G! S& }( `1 L. F% ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 S. e+ U4 L! G$ ?4 X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
% Q/ U8 s9 g% h3 P3 X+ a- \, `只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 p$ M- f# R: d用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! q- H8 z- c$ i" n
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 v9 N0 ?) j3 S7 t" X5 P如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 K; P3 _, @4 P6 V* j' ]而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: J& D7 T) j( d1 L& n0 e5 y) |
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
* T2 D* x: c$ z  e* ?5 m5 R改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
, Z9 F4 R% G3 R: [$ q/ v4 [美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 h7 f+ C# w, z% B" ^
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9 D! f" C9 |& Z( |8 Y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 r0 Y% X' N2 ^) W* q* b9 D3 e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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- r0 a9 u! H$ [7 E! A以下是其他人的見解,) B& e% B1 k: z# U
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤6 S% j2 k) _4 ]; ~" [# g; K# _
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* i. e  P6 s/ z5 _# X

# g0 g. \# l  a) x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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# D. P5 T; V5 {0 X# [' l不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; z& h6 ?% u. L7 y* ^我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. N9 r8 n! _/ A6 q8 i同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ {, H; c0 E  a7 S3 Q9 y) \; a
.............信耶穌... ...

# j9 _, ?& t5 |  {- yRegarding the resurrection....& x& I9 o  `7 ]* V, @: l

) ^$ T/ e% ^2 S, w9 _& AActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( M0 }# Z, _+ B2 j! m' J% T# V

& u, x$ M0 B7 ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.