Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ `' y  h4 B" t. u" d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人# s* q: F8 f% J3 ~  V1 i
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( H: f. [$ s4 `1 G8 s6 v
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! t# }* T2 F$ g  B4 \6 Q" h
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& C% i% F4 l3 f" ]) A5 `) s
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" I2 @* @+ D, v6 i# s' b我只不過微小的基督徒...................
( I$ e2 R8 m3 ~. @! G# G( u真的!!這不是反話
7 z6 b9 T# I& g' W因為我是情感比理性強的人) Z0 p3 d5 W+ i3 B
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ r5 ]: S; C7 U; r1 `  W: M
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 a5 J9 v, N$ t( R' \! A: k. C在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( P/ X: Y% Q, U" ~7 A0 t
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ W3 z8 J% \5 g; \  {/ @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?: A' B# Q5 ~1 M% x+ f; Z! _' [

( h2 F+ P; @; K9 q* x& \0 YJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + l  n) P8 u2 s4 O2 h/ s+ ?6 ^. v
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( i7 T3 d: ]8 {# C0 h
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; |8 t/ q/ r; {7 f- U

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* a, |; \6 w. V8 }' D& I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"" Z/ w! p; V. b1 h* r6 Z+ [
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 ]5 F/ q6 ^% Tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......+ M' n$ W2 N8 {) ^0 d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ ?* g8 }! w; o# I% g" Y3 z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ ?) ?% @' o& l7 V用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ m. _' B- l0 \% y7 _% e
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 x6 M8 w" ^' a) Q8 O3 S$ |導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( C! Y9 f! [  ^/ g+ B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# ?( ^! d9 m; @: Q
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 L$ Z$ g5 ~; v! H6 n3 d6 i/ C
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! r/ d/ A, x0 I  o
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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; p6 P' G8 U+ }+ u- z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
$ b; E" h  {- _8 S信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 G" |# k+ N7 _5 @5 Y  |信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ s( L/ m; U- k8 }$ R: r

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
* s2 s3 X! h/ D4 ]/ P.............信耶穌... ...

0 V1 V( B9 K+ E& `. [% w$ FRegarding the resurrection....  a* I: _# ]: ]2 W/ e
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* ?  {3 T9 o! P- j, {7 T

7 d9 V% J% d4 E% \# T$ Z( tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.