Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 i4 Z3 V+ ~; F5 z6 J  y9 a6 r' E我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# |9 b+ K+ {: O- O( i1 C

4 ?' P* [% h% }" r- w. m1 i/ W6 t* \Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; a6 `+ S- B9 F* P
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....2 ^$ q  n$ @9 G3 I) i4 z  Q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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8 Z2 x8 G- H; Y9 p. z真的!!這不是反話
. S/ ~0 B: x6 M, T( ^% d, T因為我是情感比理性強的人9 h4 ^6 c1 h9 M8 X
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: n5 r7 ?$ q5 Z7 D: S8 c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; H" {% f3 P9 V2 L% |. T
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, f5 K% L  Z% i, L: Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 p2 g( u) }* m. }4 h3 ]! c! p+ QWhat a statement we have here?
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7 x; V8 ]9 r1 t9 ]# ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) n% z2 N& Y7 l. jLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 r% T  ]  @- I) [) w1 K
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ n0 p; u% i9 O4 Y$ z/ z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失", x7 I  H8 H  J, ^- p, i, N! ~
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% i+ C7 O' [1 k' l" t1 F
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! a9 d8 u, A6 w5 d( ?# t- Z. P) ]
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it's starting because we have sins......: Y/ A+ ?0 t1 n& R5 \
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
/ G( d7 Z8 B# y7 Cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! ^9 O6 O' p/ [  \
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
  h9 h# _0 F: }, o2 x8 Q, ]5 b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 M9 y4 j8 ^) I5 Q' l8 u+ C" O
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! t# T) `4 L# K  o, \+ d5 W3 v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 Y3 I3 K* K# L1 {
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) Y: |& B2 K0 N好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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7 ]* B( d- z0 v5 x2 b! Z: M一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. S/ x4 n, @  K& s! ]
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法$ j: C# c! l  l& o0 t) [) q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ }1 S2 U" O+ e0 I( _

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,5 H% B" T$ U. v* S% b6 O5 X
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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& P6 Z+ }, H# z9 T8 s9 X6 M$ c以下是其他人的見解,  z" Y: n0 i' p
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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" x9 T/ q: T( N( M& a5 j- C* S' R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 }2 P+ j# l$ Y* X6 e1 i" v
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!# w6 r, y8 N* a) Q+ k

1 r# s+ M& L9 ~0 i) e( z- t同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 H  X( g$ @$ G5 P! s
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 c1 b# b% w& ~

5 x+ `/ a( ^& a+ B$ sYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.