Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 P$ u1 G. Q' @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人& N, K5 Z$ d- D. ?! V! l1 Q! k
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢2 J/ b; ^2 R* c: z& ]2 D
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( v) g: g  v* H  M呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ `  U% F6 ]) S& m5 V; ]+ ^$ A3 QNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  \; f. z+ Z8 z" U/ K* x

' l* _! C: g  sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....0 M! C9 v# B8 D8 ]3 {. Z; q
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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0 ?  R% |! B+ r+ e2 ^7 Wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% K  ~" R6 k- `4 R+ c( x我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ @: L+ L5 X# g9 P5 Z" e5 Q. D
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, e- w" v2 i' p7 K以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  [! Y7 ?( f# d; f9 B. f' F
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 O/ J, r- @+ d7 h
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 i" K+ t6 k% A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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2 W& Q) |; T/ i7 A- U"不信也沒損失"
1 a+ x5 u, a* \* yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 ]! x! W- f5 [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
: v9 g, S, h" G. i" ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, N: v$ P; g: k. ^. a" Sour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 g5 m( H+ {. J% C% B/ E; Y. @# @0 ]
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 }- X. I" m5 y8 j' G3 ?+ j! \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. ]% H6 R9 C* ]( _這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! W; l$ ~5 C) A$ N如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 K- N! w$ x) k- E
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ }6 ?2 \" I3 e4 W$ t4 a& H好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ H! i, y' J6 `9 N) I6 N2 X3 z7 R
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# K" b, V6 g( z. K% S* g& G
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
. r6 q2 S7 O7 G7 _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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+ X8 T+ M  a1 t( Y& w  d& ?以下是其他人的見解,
5 M  B5 y7 B+ `$ E$ A看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, g5 N* A* w6 H" }3 s

: A! z1 w0 R$ I2 O8 E, k4 ^信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% k9 P% \. s" s0 F4 t0 t! B
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ V1 W! x: L& ~0 n' n

0 l& Q% ?. b5 U+ i5 C3 K同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  I& |+ b/ D- _; _# M/ W
.............信耶穌... ...

2 _3 L$ p. D5 C/ F6 p" ?Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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+ D1 E5 i! N  h1 d3 N1 NYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.