Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" |9 P5 i/ e: s4 v5 a) h$ C
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, l8 o6 J0 i: v% L
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) L2 l8 a4 z; b* i0 V2 q6 f
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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8 {& V- }, m6 j3 N8 Qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! g$ w/ t# J, E! ?
我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ y4 `* I  U- r! Q
真的!!這不是反話9 x7 G) F" v1 u
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. L" s$ B  @" d6 v  x3 H, A' M
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 G% L2 X0 }( ^
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* o4 o2 ~4 D; M9 P, T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"8 o# _$ @& `0 \' {. ]9 g* V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
' U/ v! S, {/ w; C( N2 N4 jbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 l# A, H3 t/ A  h% V
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 x9 {  w1 d* H- \/ E9 K
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# A! o9 I- A( u% Y

$ c1 |7 Y; J( D: I4 x; z8 I. q7 M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. C1 i2 g) Y4 @' l4 C: q0 n
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...) c7 N1 b3 |0 B

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: |/ \/ d- b# Z' m# F/ _吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,0 J; s# L1 V  Q: U! K/ Z& f; c
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 i9 x# ?( S. \0 {1 ?
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 ^- y( o1 h* A3 R# M+ o
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' G7 e2 l% \3 t/ G+ L( S
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. f4 _& |9 @( q' r6 H
.............信耶穌... ...

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  _1 w3 U' G9 oActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) x* R# B2 Y2 }) p
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.