Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:( |1 @* P* i( h' Y7 m/ C2 L
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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' l, C! b3 @+ f1 ]$ C' p道理我知道好多只係做吳到; ^6 Q4 j+ z: C' E# z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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( `0 |! I; ]' J5 _* |5 RNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 n2 o+ n% E% F6 d
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 G, x+ @4 ]9 m- [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 U9 P0 k9 ~7 C; S3 R0 u: Z" W
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," e' \# S8 s  U2 G% E- ~7 F6 e
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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9 w9 N' j" ^( l) _+ zJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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; v- B9 |. b' E$ A- h9 iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 B4 K  F( q- w+ Z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......" C: w! `  p+ K: ^  ^
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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' z: ^, j6 p+ L" v8 ?- i用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, o8 d& G% b3 n0 u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" h; \4 |& |2 O4 e( N如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 P' o/ W3 {  E) u& A
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 B, C/ d$ ~* i  M& S3 [導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  ~: ]4 o. s3 G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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' ^/ ^# y& a6 D& I5 s吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 r+ Z$ V- k& @6 d/ c; \信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 U, i* T1 ^) H- G

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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& Z. z% j0 U7 h  M% m
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) ]  U7 b9 l" f& Q) c5 W

, h' l, I7 z$ b8 M7 q% {信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) b0 ~/ Z) E0 F5 [

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. Z2 s! J/ q9 }9 u
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....6 ?' o& Y: N! l) X
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, ^$ K: Z$ I9 V/ dYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.