Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# @- V! e' `" P& N我係一個連自己都吳信的人
+ w( u3 ^8 K) a2 L又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
, W, @9 [: O/ X# O( l  G& u6 X道理我知道好多只係做吳到! ~1 z6 _7 Q- {' p- Q3 \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 [; ^8 z5 d9 y4 b6 s; U# z3 Z
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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" L; f& t' k" W- F8 M  Ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- f- d+ g  x6 t2 _cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 N; f, h5 B$ H1 [9 M/ v9 l
我只不過微小的基督徒.................... V2 T6 m0 F! q7 V0 z! x4 h* ~3 ~; \) ^
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ ]+ X) O! S# Z8 H5 p以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) c( s3 D6 {: G# D+ P
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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5 ]0 M& S) e5 v0 lWhat a statement we have here?" W4 F! L: G) W" w/ L5 c" a& d% a- n

, q# W9 K2 [: W) y( [Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . T# W  l$ ]  l( ], q+ c; F7 d

& g5 g/ e6 M8 i; e  {0 v# r1 bI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., Y6 K' z* T7 N; {1 L) }$ f% X9 {
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, B' a5 B( Y4 s+ Dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......2 }4 s; y) u2 u2 P/ `; E4 S5 `8 B  L# I
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it's starting because we have sins......9 E9 K6 g3 e5 f3 H! c7 @: m, W. ?
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 E' `: H. w/ w% E5 m7 E, g
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; E* D7 j+ ]2 p2 V- r
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 n8 Y' l/ M& W5 r! I

' C2 U5 V# Q- o: c  b) K導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& S! {1 B0 O* V2 u: Z' X3 [' a好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
" T. g. T8 V9 w改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 q- ~5 y! g' c
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ p, s3 _9 P- i8 v/ @
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以下是其他人的見解," |+ s; A" p+ q$ r* R
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% {1 V7 \2 ]8 n& J3 g, _. [6 x+ s

2 o  x) p6 f4 J( x不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 ^8 f: |& l" g% j7 m: {
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:; c3 _( }0 d$ X( s' u* h
.............信耶穌... ...

  [% u& k, M, r- j7 Q7 G0 xRegarding the resurrection....: X: L& U4 d( k% r# o2 @" C% C* }; F

! c" }2 X5 M& f* @$ {! lActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.