Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' j% x) A5 g1 a1 h0 \& H: _我係一個連自己都吳信的人; }6 r2 E! l) E$ B" B
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 J8 \. E; k- X$ d2 b) @道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ U$ y  U( `2 F; W
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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$ H: }" V: ]% e1 N: J* CNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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% ^$ U) f2 B, K" Umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& i/ f* w& {5 ~1 H# c. ^

1 ~4 m5 ^; u( s4 Z& Ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....  H% v' t- p  r' j# q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 n1 r! h: E. u# F我只不過微小的基督徒.................... B  _3 n7 G( M
真的!!這不是反話
5 {. l- \& s8 [& q; W因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* L, J% }7 B# Z3 q& z: ^7 {, D以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; n+ `2 @  Z4 O( _" W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# H+ q. R, W3 r4 }$ T! G* d
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?3 G' y( F% L% i+ {( Y# Q/ Z3 r

0 _: F9 b) q1 @3 x! T) aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * r8 [' j0 d1 {' T( C2 d

+ y7 ^$ ^6 y- B/ y# ?8 lI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 \1 U% A3 |) ?+ n& }# A5 z  M

1 S; S; k& E$ T3 lLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
/ s0 V0 Y* U! ~% f0 x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"0 L& a: e/ z& M! c2 j
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% M6 B3 l, _! {. |6 N( h* z+ Ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* D, r7 Y  B/ p! S3 k2 N, _8 |+ S7 ~

2 l) s& x, j# G" cit's starting because we have sins......# N( W8 s% i& ^
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us " M5 N+ u1 p7 S1 X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# k3 ?. x) y: ^" B" F
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
. p* ~# O5 V  }! n- T0 r如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
/ q! K# E# O6 o0 g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 d5 C. o4 O) O導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: S6 x+ W  J5 D$ W3 @' |& S$ U好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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2 ^% j$ D3 G9 o8 g3 w6 j一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% ^4 ^" S& G4 z6 J+ U
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- y# h# Z; I( |1 y2 L& ?0 c
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...; r5 Z1 j+ S5 s" }
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# u& o+ n& a! `" m" U& k信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,9 v5 P& @6 Y5 Y- \. j0 d' M) W
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤2 A0 p! w% {+ o" [9 O& X
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm: {4 W. d% z1 ^
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ C" d- `* P& a" S  _

1 ?: Q3 _' v6 |信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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& K" O. H, }  q' ?不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( T, p* g% y# |7 x
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" ?* F% D! C1 x$ d1 _
.............信耶穌... ...

2 G7 R: u/ s$ I7 C# m& V+ ]Regarding the resurrection....
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7 R& S# J, D# j4 W' s/ bActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 B  j1 c5 I9 k0 Q% C) {8 M% `
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.