Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. e5 n/ y: B4 M& l& A3 j4 W
我係一個連自己都吳信的人% t/ A5 j4 z/ m) u
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' V5 X3 W* @6 H+ W; z道理我知道好多只係做吳到5 g- k( o& R. {8 `" `) ^* f
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% [- c1 Z  W0 z7 p2 j4 `Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: |# ^. p& M' I# D
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! H$ o+ K) a8 mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
) W) v* }# x: M( L3 s* d, Vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ V' u. H# H+ F1 ~
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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' V/ O2 B7 k$ Q' ^. K2 K% H2 k因為我是情感比理性強的人/ i! \! U7 ?3 w9 A9 k- ~9 g
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) h. [# U& T: ^3 T以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 E- T- \, E+ L9 A" @, y
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 \5 S& v( L7 d, ?7 N' C: x" r
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- s! s# h0 h, V/ @4 P1 w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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$ ]3 D3 k: w- hJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 ~2 e3 K. a3 k

8 {0 d9 \* c" R# y7 J1 ~" LI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) J2 I% B! l2 ?: d% gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" u: P/ N3 C- |8 b& s' B
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- g6 `7 }6 n) B& S"不信也沒損失"
, X; m, N/ b5 n: N  \% _7 [7 mYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 R6 F4 ?; l2 t9 x0 y  B
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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, K# k2 e/ ]# Jit's starting because we have sins......
+ ^& r8 |2 z7 i' ?satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 \+ y' s( R6 l/ B8 Vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; `$ w8 U/ _* L+ u! @只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 t% y9 l5 U3 w  K  @, q3 R% j用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 D; h" Y0 L9 Y  N1 b5 `2 n這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 o! i/ J' C# B4 K7 g
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 W$ x6 I( E2 e0 u
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ s- M9 q+ A: X

, E& @- |1 d; W8 _0 }2 b4 L: |" h導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 D$ C3 I& K0 z6 w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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! N1 x. S* |$ M2 e9 C一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 s$ ^; k% ^, w" p" p
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
8 O' \  j2 i$ F9 ~' O; a美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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3 ?1 d& k6 C$ N$ }7 E宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具0 j8 W7 T/ @. i1 m; u

  H- F% W; D, Z. o3 `( d0 N吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
1 b+ F2 ~# m. J* m4 t) {信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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" S3 Q- P- U( S3 n$ K8 H以下是其他人的見解,! W" o( K7 Y: a6 {# n
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- q: T3 _# A$ h
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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6 Y, @* D2 T4 Z3 V7 ]信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 \( g% T( }4 }& R8 a8 I) [& {

3 R* K4 X8 e, l/ \6 f) f不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& r) G# \8 L: P+ L

& S+ O( @4 p$ N- M2 }我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! e) R' Z- I% i2 t2 m5 m1 |.............信耶穌... ...

9 b3 F& r% _  J( A& [% _/ f) YRegarding the resurrection....
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# C7 j( M( {' ~8 r  n3 RActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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) U- f& `3 A0 f1 BYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.