Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 Z% |4 c6 j$ }  `; b& g我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 x* i" h0 s* T: B7 F又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 v5 G8 F  A. h) }- @! ^/ G- ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 p3 Y6 i5 G$ `! g3 f  H4 U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 ]. u  C' T+ H2 sNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 o* d0 w8 ~9 h0 I9 `3 J

! a1 @9 j2 b/ X$ q/ u- g$ K' L$ G* U. LNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; \9 X& R; Y7 b& W5 l
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....9 Q# _- z% ^! j" Q  P2 f

3 E; k6 ?* V# F) O# u. T: @) [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( G- t2 N3 J! _
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
# w/ q, A" o" o$ V我只不過微小的基督徒...................
) N, B% u; v) b$ H9 o# F* z7 R. ?真的!!這不是反話
: i7 Z/ B: g* ], x# \因為我是情感比理性強的人
6 g0 v2 T6 o5 q所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: _2 N# S% D& B7 q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 Z/ j5 q+ B) f) D8 ~6 Y2 }
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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$ @+ V5 V$ N; a% }) E6 _: n: EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* |+ T1 Z, F3 n( O8 K1 O" U6 K

! S0 J6 ^6 G( s" y; s6 BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# Y( Y8 D0 ~6 c7 `* k

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
! D2 _! Y. {( z3 A) s建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- ]. O- y: f- n, d"不信也沒損失"
) |# ]2 _! P. M+ d5 qYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; j( ?7 \* o( y' X4 ^% a6 ybut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 ^7 y0 ?& S3 n$ ~8 F) m; oit's starting because we have sins......) D$ X, ~% }/ O6 N- D
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
# b2 A2 v; D  |/ a- c" h. O- Uour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 M# T0 X, X6 y" b% Q% l
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# A- o) _. K3 b; ?  }用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ m7 @2 A- Q( m4 Z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ i2 w( Q. D9 |& R
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- L2 }3 D# k2 `, S* i3 X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 _& d( N5 ~( O' Q* e, B導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# O# _" I* Q4 [6 M( ~7 [$ ^
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! n3 ]- N6 i, s. W$ _

  s3 ^$ \. `1 L1 W一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; K  E1 K3 e4 q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* k% S2 Y3 N  k) S- p! b1 G
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- _( z% N: c. l( T4 P5 @% n信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. `/ a9 w/ b* b/ e. M3 ]
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以下是其他人的見解,0 X, e( E( b& q: e
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ y* F/ T' [- Y2 D
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 z8 p1 P$ R/ R% e' S  \( `

# p- S% B' v. j9 |* e2 A信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 w9 F* Z0 ]# Q
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! i- f5 D+ T$ d! \8 s' e- p/ D
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" _! S0 j" A7 [* K; G

  \1 J1 Y6 z& T! \" q/ P% e同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:8 \- d# k( q4 I  t* {; V
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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& p7 F5 p9 i) w6 `4 j, \, cActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 k6 @# N' O6 o) E* e% V
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.