Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) D3 Q# I& w1 |) S1 u我係一個連自己都吳信的人
6 T. H: [7 H0 q( O8 j# }/ y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢1 i& S5 C) U$ G3 w6 P
道理我知道好多只係做吳到* L7 z" d% v& |: v/ Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- O) b' y. ~, P* ?+ Q; J' x( vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) z6 s4 S( e  X

! b  S  `- Z7 Hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 K) W- G  ^( n8 S- ]; Q: Qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% l6 F; A6 y0 F8 B- u% I: k
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ U& D. F# G- ^  ~我只不過微小的基督徒..................., C+ I4 s2 [: ^+ ]
真的!!這不是反話7 B6 J2 j( q% W+ \! T' R
因為我是情感比理性強的人7 f4 V* T+ h2 ?4 z9 `5 P
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: t9 g5 V* V6 v. q* u6 f以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 D/ g9 B1 w7 }2 [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 }, C6 P3 ]& e  Q' h建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- W3 y" g: {# R' A7 Y2 EWhat a statement we have here?; x: n  M: M7 N+ C6 D& p  m
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & I6 w/ Z6 M' [; d% e$ H5 j

) u7 l- {' M' L" v5 b. \- FI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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3 W4 h% ^# M4 d: ]Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- Y9 `& N9 k7 f, y& N" |; ?
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
/ X  J: z8 e# a& {Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 m% ~0 f1 y6 d. F$ K# }. U
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 S9 x' M0 g  v5 W' C/ _( x' Hit's starting because we have sins......6 Q- H- J0 \2 S1 k7 E
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 E6 p' R( _: g5 i9 K9 V
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 E  D4 K5 E* u0 d" ?這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. {  m3 y. i2 H" K' s0 C; P
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 R/ w' w! T, L  ~9 \$ L而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* c$ w9 o* U7 V2 D  n好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 F2 D/ \2 X) B1 {& ^  J! h7 C) J& U

* z4 V/ T% c( j: A% S+ \% ~6 Q2 o一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  \! I- T3 z; O# q! u
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 N8 g" q0 q. x% o/ ]- U美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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- Y' r: u; I0 X& r宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具5 e  l4 r& W1 K, D' C
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( P: }7 n2 K- f; U1 u  v% x
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% n4 t6 M6 s  H1 ?* B

4 G) \% h- `# F7 Z以下是其他人的見解,6 a/ V! g# m' K7 E# W( w% ~1 B  k
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 R, v+ ]" j4 c) w  p+ O& d

4 I) q& Z& E4 u信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# W3 Z) w* W7 _! L; S( ]% {9 z

" q2 X' ]0 m2 k+ p2 X$ v* c: q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ |# o+ i4 D) N2 ^/ A7 k$ p. m

' B- C4 ~1 [. B, N' U我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!+ q3 i7 D3 L6 D1 V5 S& r
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 K" H* N& `+ N, k3 y.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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$ T, N$ b. ^2 u1 c; YYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.