Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ w/ _+ z1 A5 f5 I: _6 M. }# n! R我係一個連自己都吳信的人: x  y! P3 w6 q$ h0 T$ f
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; v- H; {6 {8 V' Y1 S2 b# |- @道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ s0 w2 q! k2 v/ q7 f: \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
/ s- y& c* I+ [% Gcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ m$ }% H# C0 S: {我只不過微小的基督徒...................  B" z5 [( |. W& S, ?
真的!!這不是反話, h! e5 B( |; y. F
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 a# r5 V) }8 X: g5 A1 U: Y& Q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' B9 o, \2 p& O+ _. U; y4 s: h% f
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% c% V' q' O; s8 W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) Z2 Y% O, [& [$ K2 A  NWhat a statement we have here?* i! ?3 Z# ?5 n. T6 Q* @

& v$ T& Q! S/ ]2 a$ ?) ]5 K0 {Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - x& C9 |- k0 i
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) K  ]9 G4 M& O' z

1 B+ P3 h8 N0 d& S: h1 HLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo4 q+ D: O/ a+ k* [' d+ E4 y
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' ]+ _' m! d& `- H7 U1 C& w2 i5 H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* R  u% Z/ A$ }' H"不信也沒損失"
* J% \  n2 o: W8 R8 H* `3 J9 gYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 o9 x: P5 Z% {$ fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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2 e# A7 }  H5 w" u* Yit's starting because we have sins......* {& ?9 i' u1 U8 |3 B) s: n
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 F" T/ `$ f  {5 u7 X9 n
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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6 p/ m2 K: C2 r% b1 L8 A4 G用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- @3 u" L, o& _7 l7 N1 M5 W這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 U! b8 Q  q9 z! k. E& n2 @$ b8 D
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) I1 W0 m4 ]: U9 I: k- r
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" o6 L/ V, z  f7 r; l* q* `0 o

  `& G2 E% n) D2 e4 q! l+ T導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 e8 S3 y; l8 U8 ?; }8 m4 J1 v% B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
+ R# E* _9 L# L( B& h改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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/ l  `1 K6 ^8 k( p. H0 a7 C5 L吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 x/ s, c: u, B9 _# }信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 L  E* W' Q7 E  r
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm1 ^8 p* G1 k4 G. H! b

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 m, D/ m* m1 l8 L  g/ |* F
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! Q. q) U  r6 l) @3 ]% K
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 d2 M( q/ }' ^# ]

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 z) j9 A) y: Y2 E, v9 O
.............信耶穌... ...

$ G! Z  f) a% Q: q/ K8 }; _8 |Regarding the resurrection....9 U! ^( i/ I3 T! p5 j- M
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.