Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 r: q8 j* S# e1 E& V, z5 E7 [我係一個連自己都吳信的人
- E  q' ?; w/ Y3 U- C又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. N6 G% R7 H% {" _7 e1 I3 ]0 ]0 K道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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  x( t' A. T$ r( nNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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7 X6 u* a, W! \& d. B$ ~mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; s: o% n8 [  ?) `
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# o2 s3 y# e) R# z0 i& c( k3 [& J# tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, N" T8 `: s1 V- ]我只不過微小的基督徒...................% ?2 M  ~! l( k, A+ T
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
  ^# i8 n+ Z# ?$ W1 m/ [% E- ^" Q  K以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 v8 |8 C# E1 ~- x; t8 a' M' ?* Z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., ]1 F* M) O+ b! ^! i, ]: J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 U; C1 \2 ]* e6 G" @% Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  z  Z! y7 P) w( R建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失". U! O3 K: o1 [, k
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 C+ F6 n& k  y0 Cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......5 E* z2 ^' u/ `
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 b, h+ l- _& S& n& g/ s只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" v2 Q. B! [' a2 a$ x# E用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& T1 P; ^" F8 n; ^7 V0 H0 V& W( w這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 y) T$ Q3 \* q7 @
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# e# l& K  W  o1 @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: f& ]8 E1 i% b. E6 j9 w7 e
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,7 B2 q( D( n) C3 v! J2 M
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 p8 r/ Q" M! B! i: _: O, z  e0 }
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法6 T( @2 i+ R1 b$ C
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 B7 ^+ W7 ?7 }2 J3 ^: A+ S& t/ a, c
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; D( X3 C  a' r8 |- m

3 W& ?) Q. }* c( f+ O不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 b; |% W3 B  ^; G

; L" f* @" p9 k' T我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!) G2 e* Q* w# t0 O2 i$ {, P& M6 [& V5 f

% r! b3 h5 V! d  a; x! C( r同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 M  h- R1 x) m# {# t9 d
.............信耶穌... ...

3 V5 D9 C  g8 `) z% X8 G) H  URegarding the resurrection....
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! x$ k7 C! Z! c( u. J$ ?. WActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ ~4 M( w# x- T% u9 S9 @4 m' K! f

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