Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 ~4 l: r4 a* A* B
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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; V$ R; u. }! |: _* S" U+ M道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 j; u2 c7 T4 \
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: u7 W, F, @/ T9 N/ O! _Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 O: H, d% U  c4 N. X
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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5 U. M  z; T# [% z' m1 D1 P; fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....  ]* c+ z4 o$ E
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 _9 I* Z# W. S$ j/ E2 T1 I. u7 [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 V5 k0 D; e& G, B
真的!!這不是反話* L4 A: H% D' w  A: X+ s
因為我是情感比理性強的人7 A. r: u. ]. Y5 @# [
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ r) D  _; O1 j# z( O3 k
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' e8 M3 |$ M1 L+ T7 J
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 |8 X" ?! V, ]# B% Y+ n  o# B4 T
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 z- V  s8 W. X4 T/ f: u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) P: {* T. ^! t* F; \7 f5 ^

% y. n* [5 _6 w1 @; m, xJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- U6 K2 J2 Q8 X+ _I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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  z3 _( L# F/ ~' s: @5 HLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; R% z+ i+ Y& D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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1 {6 T/ `# V# z6 ?, J. E4 p* H/ Nit's starting because we have sins......9 e2 t  u" |! q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' f7 k8 y: n$ E5 O3 J4 l( N% w$ @0 j
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 Z2 I0 ?+ x- ?. z" Z8 A# k
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 N9 d- k# U* @6 A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 e1 g- O" P; L# w% u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* {  q1 e2 w1 a8 a  P' k
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* x7 G+ P0 N, l. ?& ~5 k- F. ?

+ t$ k- V9 P/ k) _" k5 f/ F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 I2 M1 {6 I/ j( P1 |0 A4 W

9 M1 l2 i( p0 G2 e8 l信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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8 u% b: O$ N& b% j$ C; b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" y% X: P: J' @. N/ u: A
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ p6 D" b  }$ N- @
.............信耶穌... ...

$ r* Z1 C' ?( K  A6 U: DRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.