Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
* a8 s8 s! C  t我係一個連自己都吳信的人
* w' |' y9 ^' A0 M又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- z5 v( j9 x. `. @% c道理我知道好多只係做吳到# y8 X+ o7 Y1 [+ H7 q, Y8 g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 c, h: c; I# g5 f3 E- INobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  U9 j% R: ?2 x. x. |2 `) D
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' h8 f/ m: s6 U/ w' s
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 \0 _! k. @5 `) C+ Z* N

% W/ c* x6 s0 j2 {& xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& z! b# M+ V. w# T
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# D- n: M  ?1 r: d$ B2 }8 L
我只不過微小的基督徒..................., |# O+ I; V' `, z; X9 i! G
真的!!這不是反話; w+ r: {, v, w# I
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# ?7 z$ H$ f8 [3 D
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 ], `* k. b2 f; ^0 c. v5 L
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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: @5 _! j' Y- F% ]4 P' ]! V. `What a statement we have here?5 _3 o( L8 V1 R" p* U
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 \7 @5 h( i! M* I" Y

; _: w' p3 r( Z! c& mI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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, e' Q7 P8 I9 G"不信也沒損失"! {6 ]3 H' B) I) r) e
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 e  Z# d. l0 B4 N/ D( W0 ^
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 a6 W8 ]+ u9 p# K3 B4 c! Y

1 ~( L& V1 S* v* P7 V+ W4 k  hit's starting because we have sins......, o3 Z( i, c9 a5 R- f3 C- h
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 {; }: }, Q& B7 R' G+ c
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") e$ j+ P3 B0 u0 S- \
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 S0 B1 u/ m# Y. C" g& N3 ~; e& G/ T
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. l/ k( D: n5 T" a7 ?# b
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 g8 U5 U2 G3 `7 r+ O$ ^
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
  I! _: }. v. u! V( c9 v* Z: C而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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+ @) n5 X& Y# ?1 o& D, G導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. |+ ~- Y# S/ W5 l( V* D& k, ^好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, W# n- `$ _% m! s7 ^

( [( d, ]$ H9 H$ H: y- d& N0 ~一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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" S2 {/ |0 X: c+ z- U以下是其他人的見解,- p  b$ h% \2 ]; ~* J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: Y: A- K) _  n# u
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!6 @8 R7 u/ h9 r4 \: `9 A
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
* l& M# r( a" P6 j.............信耶穌... ...

/ W" Q. |7 H. D- P& ]Regarding the resurrection....+ k  R* O6 F, @$ n6 u
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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2 P+ e# h! a$ M2 UYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.