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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; I) M+ K$ I( m+ ~# G( JWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
, R; [# Q  Y: z  x  X" b- k$ qI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢, i' k/ L& D& u- Z% I
so銀行可以不斷放款# h- o# O7 B: t% q
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界! g5 {& y. X7 O- G

1 b0 O$ k# o) B. m# Dmortgage loan
. {5 R6 i8 o3 H& Q/ E, d2 m9 K>conduit$ y* s. }; t! N9 D7 {6 K
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
0 t2 a! J/ ~( _2 G# C$ [CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
6 @8 C) m- N; lmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
/ ?' D! V2 t4 a2 N' g' H* Zmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
  l! w( g! p6 Y! |in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities., k, c3 G# ]* k+ a! c4 s
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.- x, \- d7 g  F; D# u" c( s
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,) v1 `/ t$ x# m4 \7 m5 a
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. - w3 b5 G2 B1 V! N# E2 ~" y
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. + j, e2 r! q# q2 c+ w" L
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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1 d( m* G# h2 O3 Zim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
0 G0 b4 c+ T. sin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.- S- Q3 ]7 E* z
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
$ D8 R3 \% L5 S5 F) SA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
8 V/ t7 J, c5 k# u) SThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ( R! S' {0 }0 Y) h& x; _6 V
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 @0 M! v$ k, X& Z
Refer to last example,+ f$ k2 O0 h. M( Y/ a/ f
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A / N1 t" t1 R5 t0 c
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ; i/ j. [8 ]) [! F, R) f
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E5 l+ i! r9 H  D3 R
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
* \: B' D. K$ q6 _all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?( h! O) J. [2 c' }8 C

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9 b1 U) ~) `( H9 l; [the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ) B& U) y4 }5 R6 }/ f
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 D$ r" g- F0 f+ Nit's the problem of the debt itself.- R( c5 c7 u  I% g) ?
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, L3 F, K2 }! a9 v小弟一直都唔明...3 o. e! n  c4 y+ B1 C
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?6 U) \9 O4 a" P9 ]1 ?2 x
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答0 ?# N# A, G5 ?6 W( a

9 d) n8 t7 }0 B+ [' uThanks
( X! O4 n& x5 N$ }1 ?! s, ~那些根本係 紙上財富  
( m, w: k, w! d5 F各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產: f4 `1 f4 i1 n/ |8 p: s# N
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
9 `- Y8 L7 l: u% G, i# q於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
6 q/ `1 v' g: T9 j; e個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦. R8 Q0 h  m9 X4 \& M# V1 C+ X6 j. m
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,; @0 m, c% H7 z) y) [; |1 A
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
$ V1 v! {) b$ R0 P" ^& p8 M& \前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
0 J* |7 R- }- B0 E, p/ Q$ f同埋個市場既前境要係好先得' I2 e5 X/ U2 \3 w( q! y
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺. X  w; n( ^! g" D$ U$ h% S
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
, [6 O5 d6 y! T( W% t咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%6 y. \0 M" @' X! j5 e8 Y
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁7 _  q4 [4 @, M7 r( j
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 r) e- L: }9 g8 z+ u; [/ k  E但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * o  ?2 }/ H) o/ c7 h- J! K* b+ s% s. e
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : V5 f. W& q2 a( }. W
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- h) U/ ~5 [( r
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 W" s( m* j6 a- I3 s0 @% [淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, * ?8 I' l" {6 O) D
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
6 G- l! v2 y! q7 h  i" P$ q1 I咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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( [* T) Z# R1 N- p# ^$ f6 n正係咁樣! `# q  K1 `8 v) k0 F
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
9 g" w7 K3 j, C! _8 f4 P. r分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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% T) D  C5 [% Y; _3 u再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,9 d) I0 P& A$ B4 I- W3 y6 [
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
& N- j5 [9 Z6 W! h4 H8 i一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產5 V+ ^! Y, @+ Y
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, H2 I1 M" I: R- A$ ^5 Q; O咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
( o1 }! w0 r  F$ P因為以前未生產, 先消費9 a- t* |: b' l) \$ X
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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