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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 W5 ]1 ]+ t7 i! e: W( j% G- v5 J
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
( m3 W0 L; S3 r) {( F9 VI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
7 ]; U7 z" V, g# oso銀行可以不斷放款; C2 ?: d* p- Y& e2 E2 N
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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. d& l- w/ g0 ?: ~) u9 l! u. dmortgage loan 4 i" F# R! B9 l* E* I
>conduit
. S0 l! R" m. o6 h  S>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)# |; [% S0 E- b: m/ t/ P* {
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)1 p! \2 J, `: N5 y! W
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.4 q1 l+ ]7 G3 L* E6 g6 {( {
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,0 w1 R, d( T& D5 m
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
, Q; z3 j' c3 L  I) {; O+ bmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,1 o6 t3 E( I; z
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.. R" }/ j) H, C0 P4 T' e( |
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.1 g) N5 Q0 E  F9 K8 z; y. |
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,! Y# p8 B+ M7 Z2 N# n
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
( E) T/ H6 p2 ~2 Q: z  Ieg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. # O2 G; s( |0 Z1 I1 g3 \
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
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3 ]. H( w2 C1 [/ XFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,' r- F! N: d  c2 J( |- G1 L
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.  l0 r% S: D7 F( i7 P, q* r
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
, r: g7 v9 ?8 m! x5 P  O8 j- Xbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.8 Q) n/ k  P# i- a6 R4 Q" d
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& m/ x8 p; ^: j) W/ A+ p# C& CRefer to last example,  a. P2 n# ?. I# @/ s/ T
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
  K7 m. C* D, k; H( y2 vBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand $ `+ K2 F! [) Y3 g
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E* I( e/ a9 g. Z& j
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ' ]) b( |2 w, p; o
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, / j; ?! x2 M& G5 r
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, * Y- W7 T$ \/ w) F$ I' u( c
it's the problem of the debt itself.
8 N/ m, i. W6 F$ q% P7 jthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- g9 O0 E# c1 D2 R9 W0 Y, v; W小弟一直都唔明...! D3 X5 ?' G" p2 n* S, j; Z

" I* j$ k) z! q8 e8 p全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...9 {+ B& Q# p- Z" P) v

0 ?2 w: I3 y+ P( Y5 ^; i' l敬請各師兄解答
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6 m$ o4 \: L; J; |6 NThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
( M  ^7 A; H+ \: R0 K! y6 D各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
7 F( h  Y/ p3 I: J. i! ~# D當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高7 m. ~; v) V+ A
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊3 P/ W5 A9 C( G$ @! j
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦% B! z4 _+ w. ]
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
4 {) g% {  w9 D& {計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
  _! [8 X# z8 d9 A- B0 }前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
  v& ?) l" H: V. o2 S" h同埋個市場既前境要係好先得2 O8 p- H7 U2 T, j2 x
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺* i% Z7 X+ G7 Q/ [
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, # k1 Y- N) z! p( W
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%! U4 [$ f0 c) a! y" m1 l
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁& K+ y; }6 Z5 d; o8 [* i

! F0 `4 V! B5 B8 l, I" \7 \9 [你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, / m. g& V( j) }( b, C4 A  L( G' @4 v
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ! y; ?( L6 Z% \8 @* W2 s
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : {9 \; W  q: }
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行8 O* v- t# ~4 ~* k
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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7 D& s0 f" O) z3 N( x0 N淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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6 D/ T2 M( ~7 N4 W正係咁樣
1 f' ~6 M$ T9 A% i/ g) Z其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業% }3 t, p* L# K  j
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢' u+ R$ ^) v+ Y
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓," j# K/ T( n7 b7 `! i2 F
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
! D# ^8 N. }/ X$ P8 f, ~! E一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產, H# W/ _& S2 U. g; O
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  ?3 A. O* w/ b0 D2 H5 {咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
! S* ~5 A: Y$ T& m) ]& t- A因為以前未生產, 先消費1 Z2 T' L9 \1 E& m9 m
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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