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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& a- W/ W1 [8 K% P$ \Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???" s1 b8 S- w2 |: V0 P& {0 G  d) w* f
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
8 H: i" H! f8 Q$ n# uso銀行可以不斷放款& c+ ?( W) |8 W6 J
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界9 S  H; q' v- U& G( l) C" a+ `
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mortgage loan % u* S) ^0 F, V8 n/ D
>conduit
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)( G- u3 \& v, G1 ^0 b3 W$ o6 r/ {; H
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.( q) ?2 q7 Y# a' D. _
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,* b* [; H' l- v6 U$ B
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
1 h% l! }1 \- u! c0 Y% [& Qmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
, c' y7 M9 I7 Jin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.! Y  D8 Y7 ^7 R7 T6 E" ~3 n+ `
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.' w- I$ g8 L; b# h
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,+ B$ M! D) P- F, y9 ]- ], }0 ~
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 7 `# Q% A4 W" @5 U7 p% z5 \8 U8 J: U# k
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
5 J( X, N* M- H) L# `$ w9 Q" Lbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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, s0 _! T- R  G% l2 c: U# b0 aim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.! S7 i6 F! L2 t
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
/ b; y1 ]! E+ f7 ]6 Y1 zFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
" ?. j6 S  R* U9 s+ `* `% W& OA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.$ r; o. O! g, Y' X7 L8 b1 ?2 W' R
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. % A* }% P& W6 @  @0 _; }
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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: D  t6 f3 v. p3 u9 f[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: B: Q% J- i: w) m2 ^Refer to last example,
3 R- ?! G6 \8 }8 \that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A   v- ^- l4 M! ]' i( n2 x
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
  T, y6 Y. O0 P( J; Vtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
& _2 y1 J( T" iso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 0 v$ w$ [1 x2 q. y( \
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?( J) X3 |0 Y$ }1 y
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/ u+ J- ~) z3 h- p% R( G  Z/ t4 h! Sthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ' y  F( Q# O9 b+ W1 j& G: A1 D+ s7 X& E
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, * K& Z) X# w6 _) A- {% z* a1 O
it's the problem of the debt itself." x9 ]2 P/ _( t. ^
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- @1 j# g. F& I' j9 U) Y! L
小弟一直都唔明...4 V+ w* [+ \6 P( c: J
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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: E- A3 E; O& o無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...* x3 i9 g; i# B3 T
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敬請各師兄解答% A% ^7 Z5 R- a- E3 l5 {3 w$ E
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Thanks
7 {, I% F8 k3 ?# h4 n1 a- b- D那些根本係 紙上財富  + I0 ^. a/ ]8 b5 S' `) G
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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. \: G9 G* a  J3 }http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產# Z( V) M9 D& \; \! V
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高  X; i7 d. e$ t* I
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
, ^! f* m) k4 p# D, r個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
9 \6 i7 v. b6 H/ W扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
9 Q9 R. a1 ?3 K" N! p6 X% x8 E計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺. I* s' w& f! T  ]
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
6 s/ w+ D1 [4 e同埋個市場既前境要係好先得6 `9 F" d& Z5 e% H- Y
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺2 p  q0 P6 w7 j$ H  G0 h
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
0 b' j9 @" Y* ^. M7 G- s+ r咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%) B' n7 l9 p/ d
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 9 \! O9 B& y1 x# ^; m8 h, p
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * I3 h- _" }# [' F! s* P
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, % S) x: o6 [- \  |) S! J# V* m
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ X& B7 |5 C4 d2 j5 R唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 3 W6 A  S# F! `
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# p9 S% \, X2 F8 W2 B/ ]/ }& a呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
$ A2 f- J+ D! |  ?- q咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
- j9 j! k! a- @% u. f. l其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業7 s4 x. m2 P% j, r2 a3 h4 n
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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) e: X  c8 Q4 w% c, b再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
) \6 r4 ^6 k( p9 I% p. u- }連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
+ t1 R1 \7 s" Q* |0 p一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產- i5 R' G3 r4 K
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ A4 f* y# Q: x9 Q' K. `9 v咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
2 f5 |# |' f* q5 B; \9 ~+ e# O0 T因為以前未生產, 先消費
2 G; S2 J) q! k) v* S% ]( ]而家就要多生產, 少消費
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