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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:7 W6 t3 Z  z/ |) o3 b+ o; [

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:2 _6 E+ `8 q% w- g3 [6 k

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' F3 d, T9 U2 n% S: ~But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.5 I5 b" c2 P; g% `" B4 R3 X9 ]1 u
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:0 ^9 p6 e& l* T) Y

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:. L* q: r0 Z; _. B+ }' o
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see #22 Thus
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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) b- S% t6 G9 s3 C" I; Z, C% I% j6 T* M打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
# O. @( O% R, Q8 n5 s# EIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:1 ]2 V* ]% d: [$ p/ g2 ?
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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:! k" [7 D' [5 U! s7 Q" w6 f

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:% S* G4 W# a6 d& B' o# {

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) C2 [1 H/ C3 l4 m) g他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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