Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
; M( s5 u; u0 t7 o我係一個連自己都吳信的人" f" z# M2 N4 M& @; d' E
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢% X1 S5 U1 V: A; D
道理我知道好多只係做吳到( I, y  O4 W; @# g  F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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- h' B/ @! G( jNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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7 j4 V# f% R! g' `mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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3 n1 d' B! v+ [4 |8 kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 X6 h1 \; ]5 {0 P+ l" B' L9 E5 o. E0 ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* [) l+ \3 M: }' E+ _" f
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! c0 ~% X% t3 ]/ B- ^! v6 \
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 ~7 U6 [7 x2 L1 s7 d/ U( O- m& h- W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' p* I  m: l* F0 ?; t$ zWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! `1 ]8 l4 y- c& w: R9 S1 l
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ q7 p, ?1 N' T. h! i

. R( Y2 B% v, RLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 e6 ~' O2 q8 v. x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 e( D% P, {" B  Q' b+ z: c"不信也沒損失"' W6 b+ ^1 S) k- z& x9 }
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 ?' L2 ^+ u, L: [- m, abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ ^8 k2 e$ p0 P+ J$ S
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it's starting because we have sins......  w; z; w5 p. O" n( z4 {2 Y$ H  O
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 \4 p( ?' u' s0 v, p$ H
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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6 ?9 r# Y3 a4 A用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,5 l; {- G0 G0 J8 l- D) r: K
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ P7 [; C3 V6 _
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) ~# {2 m  l) g# \$ g( _. n1 b而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) C+ A8 K7 z( p# O* w# U* d
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 L5 W) \) \+ D* M. b. `

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, Q2 }% X2 {2 D) X吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. _0 ^4 b9 a( N& ]* G信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ P4 g. [( ^" c* r

' m6 s  C' G' h9 c* U以下是其他人的見解,
" f+ T) X& O  C' R看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 w9 R: }$ k# {) g& P* y
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 [" G) v( t& B3 T& j0 M
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- h! O$ x" @! r" }$ a9 x

7 f4 b. ^9 y' H5 h1 \, D我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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$ U- h+ o7 V( U& ^* q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ |1 O" w. H8 v# R2 A3 }
.............信耶穌... ...

* k3 w" V' b$ e7 D/ uRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 \- C2 ?0 [% d1 N6 F
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.