Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 T4 \( U8 R1 z2 \: u
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
5 ^& k# ]1 `0 x又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 K8 |% ]7 c* |0 l道理我知道好多只係做吳到
7 z4 o5 d5 h  p4 O1 S呢D就係做人的悲哀

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: Y) _- I+ G- _5 `$ x0 H3 _Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- x0 ~+ A" ]9 t  \* p$ [5 H; F

, M* ^' P* S+ T+ z9 U& R1 @Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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4 m! y  T: @: f1 ]0 M; j, umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... h" t8 i" x6 N8 j# C

  K( {/ x& f6 k  Xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# V# J8 N- m4 A$ D) j
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, o9 X9 B0 `% X9 d& K& u+ E# A我只不過微小的基督徒...................
3 _. S3 z9 O( S, W7 U) p; e真的!!這不是反話
. |( G9 a1 R4 X) B' t因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 ^; i& [) g$ t% w, A4 L
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
' D. N" Z2 W: U( H, H在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: o2 e  ^, u3 N0 J* H: C! g0 U2 C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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0 l5 ?; J" ]. S8 _  ^2 v$ d8 W1 tJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? - H4 b! I5 S6 \% I* u/ b3 t; ?8 s

! L6 B% G, o0 {- m' B; CI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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# M" z# C  I; N; W( y8 KLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 u3 p2 K8 {# ~) t4 |/ B7 W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 g% `4 [, |  s" _"不信也沒損失"
- W' r9 o0 s+ J( ~! ]; j2 E  JYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* E2 t6 L  m6 O* Z! R% e/ tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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/ u0 j9 u! v2 l/ X2 I% x5 r  Hit's starting because we have sins......
/ v  b$ g; j$ s3 B0 asatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / N7 b, P" y* K' |. ]" h2 `9 M1 \
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 `/ U, Y# J& T9 @
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 t7 w+ [7 V4 Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 y6 W$ y# o6 W& k8 ^6 x# F7 ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 F! ?) M9 J$ \+ L; [
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
$ K# n: B  n* A! ]7 ~" f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. w" |; ?- Z1 a8 R, T
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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" |" N- d. l5 ?' F  W3 e" I一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,# |2 v+ a. I) \3 T
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ a6 Z+ M1 m! ]2 T- L8 f- o9 f
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 G  u1 M- Q/ C" b

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  m6 Z0 x$ x+ v( @7 p. f吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 A7 [: p  x& `6 ]4 v+ D) X信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ ^7 u  A) L1 f$ d$ A' D* ^
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以下是其他人的見解,
9 I' W5 i7 r/ h0 B( Q看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤( `( B) @# S6 P
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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1 \, {; J. ^% t' Z! F信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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1 l( p1 W! }7 q9 P: U不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!% p4 C- D  w) b$ x" ]
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:4 u7 l9 x- v0 N- _0 x1 y1 _
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....1 D3 _& |: O; ~4 ?1 Y7 j. w

& Y# o) |) t* N& ^( F8 U. a3 O: U) AActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.