Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 y+ t/ Q7 j( I+ W3 T* K! g+ y' |( [我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 M# Z* F+ ?* s1 x, j+ _
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# A7 ]! m# H( c4 G+ u- {9 W  o
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
' V1 ~. P. O$ S0 i呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 H$ S% q' p6 X% J

) {* P0 v+ a: h! z3 g) XNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 |9 `7 z: r2 o+ I; C( G" zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 n3 F5 S+ Z/ J) k( v1 X6 f$ T$ Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 F% v0 S" b* v. f4 [8 a
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
0 f) F& b# [, f6 c( R真的!!這不是反話
) C: J( j( k/ B  f. {) {因為我是情感比理性強的人
( O8 x% `8 V( M, {所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 N+ U% o. \2 u6 ]! A! ~0 p6 v
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# s" V8 \( m( u- M8 o) |
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 T  ~% I8 ~' ~" }" M建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) Z/ s/ U. g5 x! e1 }, Q

. P; H3 r& N/ c* q" wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 Y% [' O$ j7 j1 B

& L( ^! _/ y2 Z+ z: x! RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
) Y; [1 l5 T; ]/ H: {! ]4 p建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"8 n- K. J9 x" ], u0 \  U
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 r7 o, q1 j3 H' G1 a
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( l1 {; z, d9 w8 u  C& e

6 |( g) Z7 X+ S5 dit's starting because we have sins......7 o6 Z4 c0 S, r, b# T
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 P- d. @! U' z% T' Oour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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  k' h4 |& R$ c! F8 C6 Q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 L3 f+ g7 F$ k3 c9 o7 g
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 J) l$ Q3 H) v/ v5 k如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. q" @/ m; f! g% k  i' l# u4 r9 h8 m而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 V+ p0 C: j9 W- R% j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 F7 u  {' e: c+ o4 z8 P( f
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ \5 L" ~$ \; b6 b
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法( y7 f/ }! I% |4 G4 b
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具8 V. E0 v0 t0 o& |5 D3 ]& H1 j
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 s4 K) m9 Z- m$ N; L
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,: }6 @4 g5 H  q7 r( L4 L. i( f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 R. o1 W- E, y$ Z  P
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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/ `! K& q( z; W- I, T5 b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. i1 v2 p& E8 c& z: V2 B* x% D

  Y: t7 u8 X9 I不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% X* ^. o+ f, r& h5 y6 L- W

5 t9 Y! \* A5 B" y, V我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  d- M5 ^4 q" N* _( Q0 ~
.............信耶穌... ...

; M) d2 ]' ^* J" hRegarding the resurrection....
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4 w1 J+ ~& a0 YActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 N- j% v. e$ k. w& f4 m

' n8 X2 U% E# i) Q- r* @1 \/ mYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.