Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- D1 @  N: Y# R$ w+ r我係一個連自己都吳信的人
1 ?6 |2 r, _1 o* q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
, L) E6 Q  t" d3 m) T, O- S道理我知道好多只係做吳到- l8 V/ U6 L# _  U8 P- {
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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7 R6 H- r9 y  F6 K  z: Z, _Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 K$ r; K  Q! u/ C

. s  B8 g/ x4 t; f- Estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 `9 E' N+ M4 ]4 ~7 Fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
: S8 i) `6 O5 c' K( z所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 f4 d3 h7 {) _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, p: ~8 n5 }9 m& d3 ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! _7 l% m* b2 }What a statement we have here?' [+ L# Y& J: e9 }) E
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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" X$ G& V) L3 S5 B" Q. c2 xI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# _& f; J5 l6 }' W

$ B1 |  X: d) j) ?" g: C2 yLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: }* X1 ]  h/ I6 p6 R9 R6 f  _/ E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"! a* B2 J1 ~) W1 S: i
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( B" y% W8 K  i0 D% C# nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( u6 l: A% r3 |! D/ _  Yit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"4 P- u% u! }  V9 h9 [4 U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 |5 \5 f7 s$ V4 }, r. Z% B5 C
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* D" {3 H. `) r/ P6 @* {! U$ n
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) D; F( Z% v- @# ~如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( \) M) T6 \$ C" \$ F
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ _/ I2 y7 ^% _: F- z) g

6 T( V3 f8 G/ M" B! G2 M5 T導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( |5 I6 M6 O: [' z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 j1 l9 R/ z* L# y! e* n
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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' |; L& N, Y! o! }" L3 a: E/ D+ p宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,% @- _; e4 m& b! s0 b
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 z; l7 i8 p- Q$ M8 v

1 |; Q% N- o4 Y' Z; q( o1 @以下是其他人的見解,
3 j' k2 ^& {# D9 N9 t( F& D- f/ R看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 B( D7 R6 ?$ F
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. [8 C+ h4 g' [% Q1 k7 p9 C4 F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* r0 d4 L) t0 n/ k& i& Q
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.