Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 A1 \7 T1 l: f* ], v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到# U$ L) y0 L' l% n7 d
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) L; W1 @" g7 c8 Q  m  @9 n2 C
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 u5 k5 b* P' l$ K- @3 r, T' ?. i
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 V' ~( p$ A. q1 N我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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$ t; A; e5 y9 b+ T因為我是情感比理性強的人
7 ]) F/ \/ M$ ~5 ?所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& V0 P2 j0 N6 d% c/ R# t* q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 f  x4 S4 g# B5 c9 v* T# V在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 v7 K/ {$ t/ D% }/ L" s2 C  t
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   G9 V6 x7 B1 `
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' C6 v$ T7 {% X7 u+ s
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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% m8 S6 ^; o1 E3 tit's starting because we have sins......
' U, b! x! I! o: l% ^0 ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: u" @, g, m' C2 g只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 ?; v5 K5 F2 C+ S7 Z7 c/ b! ~用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 [+ b$ o  n5 d% `- K這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ V4 n, h6 k# K$ R* X# n% C如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 S7 Y  f; V. z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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- e1 `: v4 Y$ t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: D+ F5 q; v: Z7 q好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," M& h7 ]0 T: Y8 V' n3 Z2 p" |

1 C- s8 r/ K+ s5 C一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," x5 B( A8 g2 Q9 _/ U0 I
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法+ X  D+ p6 B1 N( Y# B- ]5 F
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; n5 j3 ]  A6 V: [8 L; x2 k

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看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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2 e& e" W( ]& w  ^( M  m, V信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! y" ~( Q5 \" w& ~' E.............信耶穌... ...

- v3 d7 B/ q, l2 S% A. HRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( X. J! {+ q; p0 H: Q0 C
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.