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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 l1 z! [: @9 c8 q7 U5 z, wWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???( f/ `# s  Z8 ~" i9 z* D2 Q0 O
I was so confused.....
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1 f6 u) F7 B  C7 h: {3 w9 q講到尾都係賺錢
/ ]3 M( g- c9 E4 l" iso銀行可以不斷放款( P% i) c+ p, N& _/ \2 Z8 {
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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6 s' F. {; U" f- F( ?- n  B! \2 O>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.( _$ a" m% d9 ^% n1 U; N  @- g' X
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
8 ?: P+ B  ?! S1 r6 h7 m- k! T  ?more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
$ I9 y5 [+ N5 @main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
. S; z, V7 u* y7 Y7 Jin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
0 a/ L- q2 I3 l( k0 k# E5 T4 `Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.: ^- n" t% s1 a0 `1 P5 E
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
1 D, f: {3 U1 fnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
5 G: Z: v! D( W  a2 C  X) S1 ieg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
' l# O  P4 f% n6 q6 d$ hbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party., T' [, b, y4 ]& S9 y+ |
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
$ H2 z7 ?# U" j  w; win stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
6 n& y2 V3 F+ J6 d5 Q1 dFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
) y' \  d6 s. }3 J; p/ q: kA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
2 G, z' k# Q2 qThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
/ B- p- M3 w. L+ Lbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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2 X% f" M) M9 ^& ~. I1 R[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" O$ H* K8 H; d
Refer to last example,) W% i. I4 K( A1 }: c! d" F6 e, B
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 3 _3 y7 I) P! D
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
; m% d! Y5 w$ W$ B/ K# ktherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
& {. m5 J2 x2 W3 P# N. g3 }* f) [so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
" Q5 }1 M' v; n) Aall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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5 Z9 P5 ~: e4 e6 M. E* C, D2 rthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
4 A0 |' B& Y9 W5 g$ ?' win this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
, K! W9 K2 {# w7 ait's the problem of the debt itself.
. S, d& ?. y2 t* C: @2 m2 uthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" Q8 P( ~; n% F: b- ?小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?2 i# I6 I, b; n$ [7 K$ y

$ p( h. L* ]) U無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...& Z6 ^6 ?8 p, v1 Z

+ ]" h) j, |: R. X) X$ w6 |敬請各師兄解答$ i1 W# v3 W: k! b$ ]/ m+ ~; l

# @. N' w% S" B4 m: ]Thanks
( Z9 a( V+ @( Q) X9 }% ]那些根本係 紙上財富    `  T+ A5 p* Z" o
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic6 c% O" A; ]  W6 s
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產- K# a# n7 P2 z
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
# S+ Y+ Z  W9 U4 z: w於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊/ s" D7 T+ \; ^4 G: x# N
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
& S4 Z: A- P6 T! c扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
! p9 s* ?. _. t# F1 k9 p/ Q. d7 Y' O計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
# g5 _# }! @; y8 i2 ~前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法5 r3 y3 b$ j+ [
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得6 I- c) \1 w) Z9 b% ^) K
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺' W2 f, _% b7 \  I
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ) q# O+ k2 f% u, o
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%" `: {7 Q* P! V; ?0 E" d- [
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
) R. K- s3 i$ f7 H' H. {但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, , w; a- ?1 M. {
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : U4 D8 f5 b" o7 Q
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
4 @: e4 x+ C" u! n咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. @; p6 F8 H# z: R" L& `5 V, q& z
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
! g' J2 t$ Z6 m1 ]1 C" r2 y9 H. E淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, , E; `8 n9 X  c; f0 A
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行9 g( }" {' D2 ?
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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, w% z/ S" {/ |0 O# [/ y正係咁樣8 {/ o( a9 J: K" T  ^! f" i
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業# F" C' M* o  f7 c. p
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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+ E+ k9 m7 f" Y5 v# }3 B- L再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
+ e8 U! S( n) ]' F5 d+ P( u: k  k連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
" [% z/ \; R% o: Q2 Q1 h$ `' c  d一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產! Q" Z* ~4 s/ z+ g7 C; R
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; Y+ n1 c4 q/ ^( L# s6 F' t9 X
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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- L0 _. E7 o. F其實係...5 t0 O( ?+ A2 V1 S' p
因為以前未生產, 先消費1 A6 S! x1 P* t- N7 T+ T
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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