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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, K1 w( s5 s4 V* _5 O# H+ l+ L3 sWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
1 `. M' \( O9 l/ e6 G) B( J. i' f" ]I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢3 k. @+ ^/ N+ E
so銀行可以不斷放款* D) n9 w) R* Z* O: V8 q% z: D
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界. q$ L1 J. z2 q. y* B, x
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mortgage loan 8 w& D4 r; P* J/ K# Z: N
>conduit$ F1 m2 H; B) l6 D# V+ G
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return., d: z- a2 M' w! H+ d
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
: B" E4 {9 h# Y% Xmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
5 W: V  K# H8 Ymain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
9 R1 j7 T; d* u4 Gin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
- d) X: v. Z; m, E; v( K9 t+ yAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.( }, M9 t6 Y3 P% j+ ^
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,/ g9 X7 }4 ?+ ]$ o
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
; `4 I8 C4 f# teg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. / {9 I: I! B, ?4 t
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.% S) ^! P  ~& v- g8 E' W

1 n" k# ]+ ]2 m& tim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.0 k0 d) a' c6 r2 @9 P8 q# T
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
% D* D5 A% v: x; H+ LFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,! U: U% U" `/ p. o' u; }
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.* O9 F; p, b. d* f& ?' `# U0 {. l
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
, h8 g! w  R' z/ X* `7 ubut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.  `3 e3 [  w& x2 l' D+ B
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& x, @, a3 w6 |$ Z& ~7 k) ]Refer to last example,, _5 ~# m8 ^! k! h: N$ W0 l7 h
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
9 E1 [6 I  _9 E+ J' }( [9 Z( Y! oBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 2 x2 p% @2 X: Q5 C1 m, E
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
0 O4 c8 d4 R, e  d+ Kso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 7 f. K2 a# C( U+ L( I
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, - i% w5 t& T* Y- f" M3 d
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
  j3 [1 q& [% R$ \$ Git's the problem of the debt itself." J7 D9 W0 K: p7 s
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ K0 H) n! \. \# [- Z! V7 v4 M' V3 p
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?% {/ r- ~" B# P1 {' M' Q

4 ~+ u3 v3 v" @; n( v+ b6 K無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...3 v. Z0 n. @# S( x- Q! ^

: Z, X" W' Y  \0 A/ ~1 Q- v3 O% I6 M敬請各師兄解答  B) X5 y! S& U+ o  R$ b1 H
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  # M! ?- W1 t/ p4 N* `6 V: J# n
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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, V3 g' _, Y9 y7 H5 T. q" chttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
- U2 M. j, P: c* g; h. c當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
+ i4 m3 H+ ?8 P# A1 ^6 J1 a" ]# }% q於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
2 j. R. \- _* Z個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦. B1 }, b3 ~8 ~; O
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
. v  `* W2 y+ Y0 T5 ?: p計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺. i; m- \, J/ `/ c' t; G
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
. \/ a' N: m' p0 `3 c. n同埋個市場既前境要係好先得/ [$ Q7 I! p$ O6 b6 B
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺) p8 |" I. U; l% J% K/ f5 ]/ D
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
+ ?  T1 _% y  S2 G咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%' y4 w4 X' u* d! A) w
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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4 Y3 x) V; R5 |1 O- h你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 4 W; ^) z  Y& D! f
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 J4 J; @' H1 J. E, J% |淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
5 e0 c2 r% J7 ]% q6 t- I呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行) L9 y0 G: U" O
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. ]% u' b. ?8 L4 H
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 Q9 h. J2 y  N, R  B$ s2 \/ w/ }淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 F& `/ R# E9 C6 v0 ^7 ]呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
1 Q/ I% r$ W9 _咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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/ t( r  W/ G# L  M# ~# s正係咁樣
# |* I. W" O4 \9 p9 ~7 e其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
9 L& c( k+ E/ \8 d% W# Q分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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' y( e+ N, R4 o$ r6 @- H再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
* Y( W& y" T' v& J& z連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
7 @: G* p- p" r& n/ e一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
9 g$ `+ y; h" Y  M編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; t. j* n! g3 \. ~) p
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
0 b0 l2 Y1 ?8 r* m. ~& v因為以前未生產, 先消費
& T" U! a' Q5 g) I( p5 D! `而家就要多生產, 少消費
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