Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 i9 `) H+ T) M! b" _4 {' y4 Z道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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3 ?% |6 x. q* X2 CNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 @+ |7 I3 e: n, c) H5 e
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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/ Z8 o0 j  x: O, `2 T# J" wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) A, P! X: `, H/ A$ M4 @4 a

' a( z* W+ g$ P5 |struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# Q: }7 B# h6 q4 icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; W& P" T& ]; R2 r* v: m
我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 Q2 n% E6 C% H
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ y: [9 z* }% r5 @2 C! j. t4 H
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 m5 y, e, y# d6 [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- n1 f$ U4 k# L% B+ F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, e! t$ ?" {: x3 V- H0 ~& O建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?0 Z* W3 Y4 o" T

& V0 i. f3 ?1 g" D% A* b- A) }Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' J7 F5 h- x! \% @( z9 j
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 ]  }( A- a+ B( c
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( ]! w; U$ h4 Y4 N9 X. m( ~9 R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"  r7 N- X; k& g  Y' G& w0 t
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: ?9 i+ u$ U' Ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
" b! p* Z, V3 v9 r0 y8 E3 Zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( B- ^/ Q) s& `( u% o
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% W+ @2 V- _% V  ~
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ O7 x4 ]- f5 F" D+ b" b
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) _) H, Y; ^+ u
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( ?1 r% C% O2 F) G* y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 c0 {& r0 \7 s$ s# X- [
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# ^7 z  h6 }2 W2 p$ o! e) p
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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+ m  _" d+ |# F一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,1 L9 _/ E7 T* \! A
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 c; I; G; A+ g9 d$ Z3 l2 W" V
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了," d$ r8 ~. ?7 [/ ^6 G. @! J1 F
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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. D: [# N3 N, a以下是其他人的見解,) v% o: J" F' B' p9 {7 C
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 p: I: ?5 r: r9 x* u  i
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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. [! ^% L; s% j0 F" y/ E. y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  |9 Y) |8 k8 C% f! e我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* I8 ?0 I" E! z
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 Y2 U1 o# n/ G8 O$ j.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.