Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
3 N" Z7 a( N# r/ ~" o8 }我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
  L0 P! Z% y4 ?& }呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 W" k" c! n, }: `8 ^6 t) XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...., f5 h, f# J4 s" p* u6 ?
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." H/ J$ V+ d6 ?* B% Y6 \- }% a# {
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* ~, F8 ~9 V4 Y/ N2 m/ r
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 x2 S  x' u/ W+ M5 ^
真的!!這不是反話6 y- a8 O! K, r% Y; X
因為我是情感比理性強的人8 q% ^  I( n" h* U
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 ?4 W- H* n5 R& X0 Y8 p
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 y* m, G$ x% w, e在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... L" x0 ]) e# c! c6 }- F7 ~
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ L9 c: S, w1 ]" [  k- l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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' s, k/ V! W6 H& G# I. p! h" n. |- FJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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5 C& ~  G* b8 s- H# c7 II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' X- Z0 o1 S, Y; ?. p  |
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! \$ k: E, @8 d- s5 L

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 R: j+ u& Q, T  V  x# _' a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"4 D9 u# ?: P* J4 d& ?
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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4 x3 f  ^$ I1 q4 bit's starting because we have sins......7 m; Q+ m' r; U- `# `2 K
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 l; L, {& u# J! P' h+ c, O* K
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ B# S7 \* K5 Z& [
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* }. S: s" ~6 |* D6 @
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# B7 ^( S  E- _( }這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 \; _& f$ w4 i5 j8 q3 y9 F% L如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 t5 d& o5 F; `  w9 i( s- ~
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 I/ ~& K$ B# F7 ?5 l導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ i: ^8 }( f. m/ E
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; Q; f% F# d9 }- D. a  N
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* g, {/ K$ R& v+ d) W
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...; d2 z8 I, P/ m

5 X* J2 b, {- x宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
9 w9 c( U: z* |7 [- N5 D信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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& ?: p- X; [" i5 Y3 Q+ s6 F以下是其他人的見解,$ F. q1 ]9 ~+ z1 v$ g0 a, ~
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 }4 M  I- F) ?& E+ Z
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# j2 q) x; e. {5 F$ }' d

8 `6 k0 Z3 X1 v) N' h; ?1 r$ q信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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! Z7 L+ k: K' l' T" ?) |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 S" S' e3 l$ \: W5 {3 ~8 @
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! K) Y3 I- \( k9 Q5 F.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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2 _; U0 g5 y5 I# v0 n  BYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.