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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:& U% N: d, V. V( Z( b: a

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:9 k/ ?, t! z  t* Q$ E6 p

3 M4 \% C) g( ]" _' obut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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  D% b  I& s4 u/ w5 iBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.+ f& e$ {+ [4 z/ L. h9 n) s

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:" J2 n  x3 o- A! w( y! G. s

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5 o! s; f8 T7 t9 |But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:/ w4 z; `+ K4 I
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4 p! A6 s( C, m1 W: ?其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維' j$ X4 z; }* O: N5 S: ?

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.  W" G# {: b* f7 p4 j9 e
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
0 ]" x+ S! H; m; Y) `In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:5 Z4 [8 {5 X1 h* B: v

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:: x* J% R5 a  a# g) k, X* F
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) L; Q# ?0 G+ G1 {5 I, S8 ]- ]他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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