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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:3 A* ?7 Z$ A+ {2 H/ H* j

& d0 q0 g& _" l7 kbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:6 |9 W7 n0 A3 R
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; }- Z7 B: r# dBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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/ I' X" J1 H$ K" D) e0 g其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->( E' \# Y! J, F$ w/ H$ q* r2 l) Y2 q
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維+ X# t+ h1 m) n4 v  y

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.. V- R  x& l1 e5 d$ E2 V

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
3 w# t8 ?- `, `In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:) y. |# b% o; e$ T3 e

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3 K& W* ~; m; R, s% Y: c5 ]他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:4 k! z# Q1 U% b8 Y& Z* l/ _3 l4 S. {

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, G# J, g. s/ j* m& L( w1 IAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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% L5 g5 Y/ D. g" S" b他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:9 ~* J  `- h5 p4 n& N. v* n0 C$ Q3 p

9 C+ ^7 c5 O7 t: Vyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......