151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:$ Z% k/ D" f$ [' A' i, }+ J
; o8 d! ?5 e  x* C+ K6 u3 z
& J0 C; h2 g, R: D  a: M5 \
智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

9 M- Y7 K/ ]! z: ~' n  Kbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:+ A9 F3 L0 U$ U- z/ }' P8 e7 O
2 z; K6 c* `) W' O3 _! u8 D
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

4 L* Q, Y6 i9 C3 W, U$ |9 z/ u3 y7 ]" g: Z
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
5 V$ H7 z1 W7 g4 ~; n9 V$ l2 v  I) F
" U9 o! S5 U. d1 y9 U# o[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:45 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
- Z, L1 Z) u. S4 w2 U
' p# w* f# J4 M
; O/ t+ ]( q7 P/ t( I' NBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

0 H  M* {, h- j1 P! [: V0 L, [  c7 N3 O- v5 X
why?+ z* J; R% G" l

3 m7 J5 {0 H2 e: `$ {1 i其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:, k) ^$ g- W  E
  r5 j% Y$ r; M  |, }0 K: m6 y

5 D( f1 K2 `) s5 _why?! ]+ }0 R; g; v: u4 T) _
- M/ v% r) s6 D4 n' v6 W" z+ Q
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

* i; v8 n0 ^5 m+ u

0 a" q; n3 t! V0 nsee #22 Thus
4 J: \( @+ s2 @" u: \
+ b* G0 e. q/ W$ P7 K/ G* v* q智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
! U1 h% C1 t/ W; L1 a; u; F1 c0 h+ ]. z3 ?$ H' s( _" z: Z7 I8 P
軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維: X1 @6 p5 D, f; c, p2 C
/ V7 l4 r1 P! I# I4 J) ?* u
政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.. o" B( e9 L8 v
: R! T0 @9 g! ]) c, J
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.! F6 n% ^+ E: G+ ~4 w8 N/ h

6 ~( Y4 E5 t- w) S- B7 {% P[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
* x: |: J$ _9 \4 B+ D0 M6 r0 xIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

( L! f) I( ]7 X1 g0 E
/ _  E9 H3 ?4 Y他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
" `$ A5 b5 `5 _; T; K
( W: X9 Z) Q, r" Q$ i
  O% g( M* T2 t# W, V7 s他比孔明更偉大

! E$ M2 q2 \) @. [+ E" ?; |( ^; n

/ u1 n1 D( e+ z5 q' ~) ZAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:8 u( j# u* V: E
! f4 L1 f/ H5 d# Y8 d1 Y

/ F/ M9 m1 l! l8 o* WAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

, w& O! X5 V0 Q( e3 ?

6 |  J9 E$ i: N  N$ `2 n1 w他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
! |8 I. o4 v3 ?& j) y6 c( d7 S+ e  C4 n
" |7 T4 a& v/ m
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

' J$ d5 S# l) ]0 q4 T4 h
yes, that's the point.

151515

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:  s% f% z- r# C; L% v

, E: J; }% v# |' N; D* D3 kyes, that's the point.

- D% S/ G: F" h. ?4 S0 Q

1 I! D: E4 ^$ g; }' e; v陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......