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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:9 M. X1 ]% j0 A  v) O. Z
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:9 y. U6 c! s) N+ N/ Y7 a- x

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.# L( Y0 ?, {1 N/ T* O

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:! C  ]$ p* o; H8 Y! b8 b
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* j4 c6 l! n# q) k9 z3 GBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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0 R/ U0 x0 L7 [其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:: X3 z% D' G; Y3 S. [, {

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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2 x( `" T' E7 C) H0 Y8 [" B打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.! n( n5 i: ~- i! Q* h

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
' h4 H8 ~( c& hIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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5 J4 ~5 K; f6 k, v1 m他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:$ j/ G  d+ {3 W: k9 e

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:' M) [' b4 C5 j9 z# h
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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