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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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  V: B3 {; l: @6 s智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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9 G4 b3 S( ?: hbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:, f2 b$ I' k# o$ o
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+ [8 `$ d$ N# R$ f8 E* w; }# ]But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:: r6 z4 F5 \7 k! V  o) {, I
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details., }, b' L% [* }, q' j) O
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮." u$ G+ p* r2 q3 O; H

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:; g& Z# p6 A0 o+ ~, G, g1 x3 E( I
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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' L4 _0 ^$ D3 f! A* oAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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4 O" n  k; N* N7 W他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:+ n3 S" D7 k% I

) K; b0 f* r( P9 Jyes, that's the point.

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