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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:" ]# J% g& M$ y" X: M( d

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:( m& C9 K0 ]6 N# t# @
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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; a7 L4 S' G* S: d. f% t6 d. oBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮., T* Z) F7 l. }1 g, _* c
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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  [' `" M( u& S, p4 Z( y$ ~7 {其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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( b* M+ l# I# v9 y* E軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維8 s+ I4 b+ q! M

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.- ?$ l( ], z0 o8 O: v& F3 p7 G8 n
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
! P$ [* C/ J( Y) X) i3 T! ~4 y) yIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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  f* W$ M6 o2 z% t; [他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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3 i, ?) `; M" z3 @2 u7 cAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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% H4 w  e0 G. i# K$ E( v他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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4 g! I& r' W9 U7 r, V- ?他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:3 i$ m* M: _9 p7 Q2 K$ D4 V

3 O8 p: g, d9 I2 byes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......