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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 J! }. c7 m. w5 s5 U' sWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???1 k  x  f: L2 B* _
I was so confused.....
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- @6 N2 d% y  W3 M' V7 J: M: l; }講到尾都係賺錢
; Q* b7 `) N! M/ B$ vso銀行可以不斷放款
5 X& V, J) V4 w) Z  @美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界- \+ {0 g* P0 T3 O/ F5 t& Y) ]
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mortgage loan
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! M1 Q% s/ I: @: `  P- B5 j- i* G* N>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities): `" r9 i! X; f* }7 Z: P5 Y
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.; n3 w- f6 |  ^5 ]
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
* |6 A, h: `* c$ g1 Pmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
  {7 m" S" y* M- O$ I  Vmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,% j" J1 R( d0 {' ~* S  B
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.' d" K7 j" u7 S) H4 c
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.5 M( {4 e5 u$ L( W$ f1 ^: `$ Z) ^
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,, _! V6 a3 q4 L$ h; i5 R
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
& O! @6 s: j4 @2 v2 W/ Heg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
9 _$ F2 R, B8 |5 }) sbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.& _7 J! p( q- b" n/ h) y

5 S3 G6 ?8 l) K& r0 d- ?& ]% eim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.( z- x7 }; p! J, B% p
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.% {, c/ D0 s5 u( D3 E. S. u
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
% @: P3 E  S: p( ?8 U5 T* f( \A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
- J8 ?5 X' N7 ]. O/ B0 o& O7 @The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. * x" o, b& a6 _4 B4 E
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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2 ]3 m) @. I- w, {! [[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# D7 n/ ?# O4 U: m0 U$ C
Refer to last example,; F( H3 d1 p2 I0 e! E
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A % U8 B* ]8 ]+ u1 @( ]( H
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
4 b  Y2 j& M- c8 p0 vtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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# [, x& _: S- \$ b5 UA->B->C->D->E+ F0 Y" U+ L# J1 B# C
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, / i# ]7 R- W# c+ z
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
! ]! y! ]8 g! }. Q, Win this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
, ]& E+ ~- e" r' ?  ~it's the problem of the debt itself.
1 n  ~, V4 u" v. uthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& V: k* `" I3 p
小弟一直都唔明...8 b7 c: f% }( N- _* r3 V, m

( Y2 ?% e, g' N# P全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?- E- y( p3 W5 m7 t7 f# |! Q

  p& W' p, N" V2 E無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富  * o8 A/ c( i# z  d- a- F
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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! t2 t! K! I7 C; ]2 i1 }http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
- {) K- Y, W! I* @當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高7 A) H' \' I5 s* }
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊  U- T0 i& v; f
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
8 n$ F8 M; _* x% i( E7 A扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
0 h5 b; ]5 |; n. ~計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
5 u! L+ L& p& |" D7 j- t1 x' t前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法" A6 a4 J* B- D! Q0 D# v/ ]
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
, u6 `! h" F0 a% d" p6 I但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺* E! V9 d3 g0 U$ l8 u5 d2 \8 j. x6 S+ `
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 8 f' _8 p. k8 ?
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%) ?, B/ ~7 W# ]- E5 H
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁7 ^0 v( g& ?$ _
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
+ h5 O4 W2 `: k1 j" N但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
! ?% s& a8 Z: ^0 q" I( P* a! t" E淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 5 c4 h" x* g# }9 N* ]+ F$ Y
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
2 j3 r/ N3 V: Q  K; N# t$ k) l咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  R* M, y6 W% f( V+ d) R2 B
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行  h* x' F3 L4 Q3 a. W' b4 X
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
* d% T5 r* C( d, a* n5 }$ S$ V其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業" b5 L& e' E6 d( Z/ X$ {5 S* g
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
  v  y! l! N) ?' Y/ D0 _4 i' m3 }連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
' a  r9 S* N# V. g一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
6 h2 n$ |( X& K( D* S: e編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) ^; i2 U8 Z( b* n6 c
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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+ f$ K0 o3 d& J6 ]5 V: D其實係...
" T5 l2 E' W% a; p- u因為以前未生產, 先消費
* S1 i# F$ d9 p而家就要多生產, 少消費
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