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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 {0 P" U6 o3 q* S: R- DWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
; V' w+ j" @9 X3 }I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢9 D8 y. V6 T* l" [8 K
so銀行可以不斷放款
$ O* X: j6 O& z4 C: {9 v美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界) c3 \% I/ i" E- B& \7 Q

) e3 l3 {/ P! F* L/ omortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)" @3 M  ~$ U1 [
>arranger
6 T; F7 H. U) B4 h# q% e4 `>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
9 {- V# P) k9 e1 o2 G9 QCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
- L' a7 k! C* \/ r5 g0 M9 w& E/ G, u4 imore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment./ ~; n4 A: a4 h: Z" I7 Z) x
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
7 [5 l& W# ^9 Y7 l: A. T* cin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.9 _/ G) P/ f' I! M( x" l
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.5 [8 k6 m6 H" @4 s
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
7 R; b6 ]* `$ ?/ K; i# wnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
8 N, K0 ^! [# q0 [6 }eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
8 {- }; |1 y  g8 O" O: Mbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.( ]* X. i5 N& V) l

. m( [4 q* ~6 w$ Jim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.  B6 B2 G% [; a/ T8 h! _' w
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.! Z2 }4 O; j5 h7 o
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,( y" |* D) ^# Z1 i. B: ~
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
# D9 i  Y; _/ l1 Q" aThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) o) k  V! P! w0 Kbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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  m, T& ~& \+ n7 X3 M[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, b7 q! n& E  ?4 C
Refer to last example,2 V8 d6 B" N! C, ^, Z' [
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A # [; r+ K0 S# F* D$ ~
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 2 V: [, j9 t* c. y1 I
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E& l- z, l" n7 v- F) s9 M
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, / E# _0 |2 j1 [1 }, v
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?( r, g) p9 }+ L

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; {) l2 c  D1 Z7 r7 R8 Rthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
  _% o+ g$ V+ y* \# t& O' m1 Y5 win this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 ^9 ?$ `2 S# Z5 c6 Rit's the problem of the debt itself.
7 ?* @: |, m4 H2 ~the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: K6 I& X2 M; k6 s0 q" O+ I. V# F5 @小弟一直都唔明...1 C! p6 i: }! d; a; |! o
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?% G' X1 b& _2 v6 y, g
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..., y# w( R$ o8 E, M+ a2 U  R! d, A- {& X
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敬請各師兄解答# o5 ?1 L8 E4 U
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
& `' x/ Q( X' v, k各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產0 d0 R* ~6 M8 U9 u
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高& f) C8 W% A+ F1 q6 H. n6 j
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊1 u& A6 @4 u5 k' O9 C' \
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
3 w6 Q. Q: h, ^* [" r扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,) N  l7 r& |1 s; ?6 R! t
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( ^& T" s7 j. C
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法) R1 v1 s0 Y* m: K7 H/ t( Q& j8 m
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
& P8 d2 f) A1 Y( n* C但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
1 ^; |6 J5 ^$ g! O7 {, L1 S. B例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 4 R: V1 U" I1 T/ N! L5 h  U4 [
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%6 W; {8 x+ ^3 p  d: J0 L- D+ B
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁' r5 s& }) ~: [( {% C, ]3 E! q

1 V9 d0 S) Q# M/ Y. w) ?你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
( l; e  s$ t5 @" z5 R% ^但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * o2 S7 }! T. `9 q* }5 G" ^
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 Z' B, }" A9 I! g呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) g' P# U  S- W) x* H! g
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 d2 U! t% h7 u" S" b% {淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
% h( O; L! T! |# ]其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業4 j) l- F% F5 h) _" s( x
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢6 o1 }' y9 s# P  G) X/ |7 r

- m" @  h9 X" y/ o2 B# D再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
, s( F; N4 x/ u" P% _連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票/ q/ J8 O& M' k$ C) \
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
. T( J8 n# |1 D編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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( Y* `1 I0 u3 ^4 @- z% k( f. S9 M其實係...+ P2 l# |) s4 f% Z# Z; g- g  n+ x: b7 e
因為以前未生產, 先消費
  s5 p! c6 C* b+ i" r" |/ y而家就要多生產, 少消費
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