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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:5 R6 A/ y4 r; s8 a/ M) V; B

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:6 j7 e5 L0 Z: ~" j8 V$ m/ c
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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/ ?) U' W. N( H, G' D3 r9 kBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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" ]( A' ?! w& p7 I3 B, |+ PBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:- R/ ]! |4 V* G- a9 E; S$ i
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus) d3 t/ b- Q. y/ S: z- i! ?
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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' J$ E; [# E2 m6 t# a2 d0 h打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.7 ?& b3 y- W: V8 t  W7 H7 z( t

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
. _# r, B- e  }In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:' y; r0 {+ P, R3 l$ N! `

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他比孔明更偉大

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9 d" t8 x. N. k) VAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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% a, A* B# Q9 K% Z3 z6 N他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:' s$ d) d7 C, f. {8 H# b

7 W+ _( _) {: Y" I; {8 k( b9 Tyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......