Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 }; m' J! \& w- p, E& l3 ~
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 K3 u1 Z5 Z; \1 Y- P又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 m2 M2 E. w# j+ B* W/ `
道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 B4 k+ |) E* x/ [' r2 a
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 W: f, W. V5 \* `

3 T( t) g, \- ^, E  w+ fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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6 p. B7 s1 J+ m$ r2 ]struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 Q: I. d$ m) \* k+ r8 {1 ~
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 K+ n0 s5 H% p# F我只不過微小的基督徒...................& c9 F# B* ~% ~/ T- ^( H) B7 d0 l, R
真的!!這不是反話
0 t, `- `8 B* m# B& L6 ?, N因為我是情感比理性強的人
7 e4 V) `  Q: W- U2 c/ [9 t所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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7 h- k! Y# h0 p在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.../ y- a, x7 O& Z4 I+ h1 [9 u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ }( H! g- l1 A! g/ X7 J3 T建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 u2 E7 C( c7 |+ E' x0 @+ H& _7 @What a statement we have here?/ t8 P) h! V  _0 f, w* l
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , |/ i3 y! P4 g; u  }) i! M! R$ H
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" u2 d  R, R* Y. `1 ^

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% B, J  F$ w; N: ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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' a/ ~7 y3 G( x$ ^; [) G$ @"不信也沒損失"; p2 J% ~  ]; r$ _% p4 k& f
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# l# C. B9 R3 r3 rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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  ~9 o- j. s9 O! git's starting because we have sins......7 Y" F# Y9 g9 M- T" o" K0 @
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % e% A( j6 H/ `* U# X4 T- D2 O! `
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
* B* y0 L. ?( b6 W, T7 ?只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 f; X* g" Q1 z( W# R1 e用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& j; X, ]7 ^, x1 R' l, l6 z
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; i0 q5 y+ H  \5 S
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. ^9 b8 U# q* ]1 V/ ?9 ^$ K而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
" ^% l' J% J7 k6 ~好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,1 l! L" P5 w4 g, E# C4 P: D7 N; o
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% m9 w/ N' Y  |# P$ I# @
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" u+ q( P. g1 A: C8 T9 Y( ]
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 G% M/ y+ e- I% k  i/ f7 `7 i
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具0 Y+ W& v! O/ J7 l
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
+ @/ u) w" v% Q6 i* ]信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 K( i- K7 u. R2 ]1 Q

& U+ {! O2 H4 }$ J4 d信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* l* P& [& u( n, b- J

2 D  k4 n% x" a/ }" z$ [我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- T' L$ b3 Z  ^" i- [
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, H! O0 x; ]: S( g. K7 q.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....9 h: |. l* `8 W, [- @

: m. l5 `5 }5 F5 ^- @" _0 sActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; W! P- A" y( q( R- y

" w6 O9 ]- ?6 g! a$ |1 L0 |. _You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.