Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, R7 t: l1 W$ H' W8 n, j, ~
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- ?9 y; X6 B6 W+ _, J- A
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! Q0 V: @/ W8 {; b7 b$ v, P$ H道理我知道好多只係做吳到: W+ j( [- y# N+ ]' e( F
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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" A' \* ]" L7 Smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 }& ^- I) a  i, I
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 x' k& Z* N4 b- k7 C0 j, y) g1 ~0 A2 ^我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 ~1 M% S! A% d* {, F, G% {
真的!!這不是反話" T3 I5 h% O, s+ @& _6 n# a
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 `! t$ c$ p. \9 \% t* _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( j5 L, T2 B. ^4 I, C% d9 t9 [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 m1 c: G: S7 u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& _! W8 v1 A2 r# a  @) QWhat a statement we have here?9 Y+ R8 v& l6 ^7 J  @2 T
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 h% B6 N7 m$ c- N/ ?4 k" b' \

" k" Z, V. g; w" a+ Z( p9 Y. |0 rI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% G5 F8 T; Z/ I' s* i  S  P
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 T) Q- J- O) x% y  s

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:7 Y3 W; n9 H( o4 G8 D5 w1 }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
! d) J7 l+ B* H" e4 i, LYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ B% _/ y  l5 m; M( z; X3 W
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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- q! Q2 Z2 E0 `用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) S1 K; I* p1 o* z" g. `4 ?1 R
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 Y* N3 \5 B5 ~! t- i& ^5 Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
; F  Z) Y, t) d" n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 {# x4 `4 r) H) k, L  o7 y
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,2 y" U5 t/ K: l
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," Q& u3 ?5 W* z1 G! {  e

( C! X* C% R; ~0 b& \一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, Z+ \0 W, p# L% _0 b/ |改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 Y! |7 V# }$ C& h1 }; D$ }! ]
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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' [/ d+ D( o. \% y1 k/ n宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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  z* z$ J; {& S+ V- H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! Y; C2 Q% d8 i' D& D! }信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 q  u( q6 [7 E- D: @$ Z7 o+ W- @

% C3 J0 @$ o, ]) F2 j+ B以下是其他人的見解,, P! r: a: x! @& u% t
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤! T2 z7 o6 p5 N  @# P. c/ C; Z
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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$ l3 `9 s( g; b  i: x不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. m+ k7 Y8 X  ^2 `9 o. j& Z' |( _: @, h
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& ]* y3 |( c  q( ~6 m" K
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 C; o: ?& q0 I- I; T' ?" p.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....: V  ?( |( u! b6 V9 _

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: T5 s2 l) G/ y* ]1 I& E- DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.