Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 {# T0 D# C9 V
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. X" X7 \8 w: j1 W$ Y$ L1 `/ z" j& E
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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' X- c; G5 ~& W; g  H0 Z8 umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- U" C# Q8 t( K

9 f& T5 u+ N2 D5 @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 k3 p, q! I5 J1 A/ Z8 P
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人0 p) f$ L6 S5 Z) C5 f
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
6 P4 R  P7 e/ p& E- C以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 Y" Y  J1 c$ J2 b0 J在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
4 V& Q& w0 `! d. K* q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 z" F4 S3 L/ Y5 _6 R( E. {What a statement we have here?2 C* ?; W; ?  a/ b4 ~+ P1 f
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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, J$ }9 m3 w, P2 I) C- f) |3 `6 bI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 t+ }2 z) m$ W( Q0 ^
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& `6 m1 Y5 L% ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 P# x/ W) K. Q# Q# k% H8 h! F0 B. R"不信也沒損失": T  p% z* C% M8 Q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." L9 E& _' O& ?  }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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  y! q: e# J6 w+ w2 b9 ?it's starting because we have sins......" C$ ^3 F, B! B) K* ]  T* N
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  y( w# i' n4 G  {7 zour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 Z! j( S, p0 a
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 Q" @# o/ j, p3 S! g4 C9 ?用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 @* W7 Q5 f7 z1 C3 o& G9 W1 @6 `
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 G7 I* x2 P, g8 H- W  s! {
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 Y1 `; W7 H3 j* i# m
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. _- p2 I2 |5 X' W

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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( l8 C- J4 f. a. o/ L+ m5 K& X
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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& d; n+ a1 h- D/ P" j& E以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. F& Z# `% W) b3 O$ s2 q) U不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 ?1 N+ h3 t+ F& `' ]* h.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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8 C1 m* x4 c& L- p9 T  B( E" WActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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: e- [. l. V" L7 eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.