Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 O+ L/ ^! S* g& P7 a9 x0 B( T% W
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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. m6 K' {( p( [/ \$ @; v道理我知道好多只係做吳到% A' G5 {  p+ X
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: p" {, M& [+ a( [" t* GNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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. y  a5 b; q3 W! q, R) B1 \mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- ~( m* r. e+ O  A5 p, I  s
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; I, r1 J% f$ f9 W
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( x$ T& {$ [) }8 h我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 f9 q; k3 j( o0 `* u
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 m6 x: g6 ~+ X$ o
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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4 t8 B6 H5 }' x2 D. \7 e; {5 mWhat a statement we have here?/ d; Y4 ]0 ?$ w7 m/ L% y

7 P7 v5 F- ^7 e+ I: mJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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5 y, G( E) R. g7 M. u* aI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. C7 i: Q  S8 w$ w. Q

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' w6 M  [6 z' P: {1 [- J) S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
. K0 ?# t. W7 G0 ^9 mYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ m3 A  s3 i0 b. e$ K; i; [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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6 K2 D0 F! C& P$ `; e$ R8 g4 X  pit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", y# U+ h- n# o: e5 ~% r: |0 w
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 o2 J( S7 q0 L* p, ?' M
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( Q7 n+ p/ o* `! A9 N
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) \% _  p) t4 G. @如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( R. J9 M6 g7 p3 u( P5 f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  F0 _/ g- w7 @+ m

6 T9 P( ^9 [6 l  `0 Z3 e' Z# R導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 e2 `$ w; i  h7 U+ f2 ]& \
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4 Q/ h0 T& @! \( b/ f- U一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ o7 k5 Z( }) ]; k: E3 x
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,: E6 E9 |2 I9 _* Y$ ?* ]
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* M4 |/ ~" V; F" z3 e
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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& e3 s4 G" R! |2 @9 @不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ ]2 d5 J$ T  @& ]- ?7 G5 |8 l5 {! s我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- {3 V4 H; B& C9 p0 c9 _
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 _8 x9 G& T6 H8 l0 u; u* QYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.