Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, P- Z# B) Y0 F
我係一個連自己都吳信的人! R" r4 h/ F" Y! m8 Q0 l
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
5 L) \& @' J1 ?  i, u9 u道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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4 y; K( ~5 r2 i/ P& F3 kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: k0 w8 @: z- b5 Y/ Y. ~

1 l: m* @2 i2 p  S& Bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' l/ p0 j3 R: B. Xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* k2 M  v- S1 u9 N. S
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( a- M& x+ ~, Q) l8 `7 R8 U我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ p+ T) L' g. s* \
真的!!這不是反話( x+ b1 p6 p" ~) e% i% x
因為我是情感比理性強的人
& k9 ?- q6 x& Q所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 ^9 z8 M4 W+ e# T- r$ X1 B, X
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ L, Y5 g7 s. m- R% r5 m! N
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..." S# A. ]' \& G/ G
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ G. |' E% f! J% P( g# D) K1 H% b
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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! P4 c: X/ Z" T2 }, y) ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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3 z/ ^0 Q& ~+ c/ Y  {! |# VI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 Z2 Y& w6 g+ Z  g! u/ z' H7 l- a
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失", c! `& c( a8 m6 I) {
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; K  }3 w+ v5 F- V' Lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ k5 i/ @' I# a* o" E4 L- c
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it's starting because we have sins......: c( u+ S- ^( n! ]0 B5 U0 O( c$ M
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 L0 L; c" W$ W; c$ f; ~
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% D3 Y+ n. E# n
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,! }$ c' o) v& T4 W  A
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 g% K* J" c" P0 M8 ^
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 I$ x# y) `5 z1 A: s如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ m5 j3 b9 [) P1 t& y8 r9 P/ t
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" z( a" {' z. _: C0 c' ^* K
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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& @8 W3 M3 Q* M8 _9 @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
; k8 ?+ E% ^) i1 ?, p1 C改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
0 ?0 M+ J  F( u& `3 L8 Q美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 k8 m& s; [5 v: ~信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" c$ y6 ~3 a' o$ \/ R
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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: B- \, H5 N4 ?6 JRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ ?' g- a$ v2 M5 r
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.