Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' v" x  P* R* M我係一個連自己都吳信的人
) z: b7 ?4 y/ N2 D3 n$ M又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ Q9 C  ?2 ]* z- Y! v' ^# g道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( ?* o5 G1 }7 b+ p$ H3 T6 t" |呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: d: L7 y- B2 v1 x6 N. x& CNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) d* d. B; B) [- O

% A( T- i; [/ j+ Jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....  E- S4 ?% Y% t* F* `

- C  n9 b  k" {& }/ estruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 V( g& }. F) p5 U9 echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! F: P# h: J* m( u我只不過微小的基督徒...................
. `" X7 R: W8 N6 ^0 G+ i真的!!這不是反話
  L4 r$ V0 l3 t" Y5 V& N& h; J! ?因為我是情感比理性強的人
5 n8 o" A' B/ A4 {8 f4 b! k2 k2 F所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 l8 V& z/ x- B+ O! H$ [( L
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?. R& T# H4 b- u( L; g) S; I% X! [

- c$ p! \& j7 v' w3 N' F; U. fJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % T5 R$ n2 r! t- _8 z

# @5 R. n0 E% G/ Y4 T/ E+ I6 wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 Q' N- B( g" Y

+ j% |' x' G3 X" r- k6 X$ {) a: gLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) F! Q$ D' p7 k; m0 l

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ ?7 q4 ]' ~1 D/ _( J; W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: M0 k% C; V1 d, S9 R" @"不信也沒損失"
" t: T6 h' L# Z, JYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 a6 N% w7 Y% t0 a
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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8 I# _: }6 @0 b$ h. A# Eit's starting because we have sins....../ ?% G1 n( X) d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 o) K' ]7 x. D( d' e" mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"8 W: |$ {" T/ r7 m$ _
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. q- Y! V& ?+ A  n, U! o7 b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& F% L. J! p- |5 Y4 X- p* x  \
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- `/ F5 h+ e* S$ Y; C  B  }0 ?! B
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- Y' q" H$ X7 m* N5 k5 p5 t& p7 r
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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2 |7 Z9 B! V4 `, Y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
( @) C" S2 D* x改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* z" g: w5 G' s- e3 Q6 Z4 \
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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5 G0 P! r/ R! \9 U吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" x9 \. k, T5 e/ L- Y* T2 t8 [8 W0 m信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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2 H' U! d2 G7 T$ T# z& v9 m, t) |+ E以下是其他人的見解,: C$ U5 f. J8 f- F
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ B$ A; K1 g8 p; R) N3 O
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, `+ v; a3 M  @9 S
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 v, b8 ]" T% r) u
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" i2 i, w( d- B8 f.............信耶穌... ...

" Z  X, o; O# Q- G0 ]  bRegarding the resurrection....
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  |0 Z5 q; ]  W! B. \, VActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.