Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
5 z* f  K: p: \$ E- {1 E我係一個連自己都吳信的人
" _7 j3 {3 j% L- y% W又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
  y+ y/ }, k2 }* y道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 }2 [( m. Q' p: I/ p- m& {
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( `8 s( q+ P2 l/ m

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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
* u" b% w: e" Z4 d" |  @- E. Fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 w4 v  i1 {! \4 D: g; J  I: m
我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 G; n& u2 {8 z8 w: I; U0 [6 ^
真的!!這不是反話
6 d& z0 |( M! O$ |# Z* o. T因為我是情感比理性強的人
2 J" b. l; |& d所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 a6 X" L% [7 R0 i2 M) O以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 z. K1 i8 {, d: m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: v# w/ y5 K/ ?5 e
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 Q8 N/ ~* {% l" ^' R8 A8 i* X* K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! x6 G- R0 W* a  j5 i% q! j
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 F. p; P" z  W, b; `. y

. P' L3 N, E( `# y: J: sI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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, w: h7 ~; U2 eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:( }# z4 t; H3 A, l# ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
, M- w7 w- ^$ R9 U9 O4 {Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* Y4 Z! P: d$ Ebut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# }$ x' ]- a2 V& v( m
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it's starting because we have sins......
6 {2 I7 e2 V, [5 W( q: k( [satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
, y& [# U1 P# w8 pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求") j: [8 e1 [5 t
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( D2 @- I. n: e4 f2 m  L如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 u/ v3 v' {* Z% J9 p, i# K而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* H) E5 {0 u' H  @

% P7 B" W' J( M% |* n; \! A導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, f7 X3 K6 i" B- ]; q8 Y
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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8 w3 ?( O3 R& D; V一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
6 I4 q; g* E! s# O$ g改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' z- O1 T! n" e8 ]
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 u9 X' q$ K: _
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 l; s- z/ v( o" }
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* \5 z' r7 `6 K5 a* b2 D( l信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,6 D; Y. Q$ |& v& W% M7 \! F
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 c# C6 e1 Q8 T0 [不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 I# }0 p/ K# M' m3 V* _0 F

8 \8 G3 f) k% \% {我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ @$ c4 P  J" o/ u& ~$ q6 @) }1 E( J
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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1 c3 {5 c3 Q1 c/ rYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.