Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 ?& A, o$ Z4 C; |我係一個連自己都吳信的人% C0 _3 Z: W8 A) }, Q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢% r- O, r( o6 ?% L
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. e$ d; K6 o9 ?' _& _. C% n

1 Q: i% ?7 M  `- H3 h' mNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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7 S/ k6 e! f9 @( i: e1 hmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; f  b) x% v) Ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 z1 h; d8 J7 [
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: x; B" e6 i2 r, }8 G
真的!!這不是反話
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4 }  d+ O' m) Q0 |所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 ~$ _: u" L* y$ j" N, i2 U以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# R7 z3 w3 K. _/ l# T$ D
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: L$ b  g; w( v+ }  w* a( y9 s5 p: F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) V: w1 n. D( N" A6 BWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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, l4 V) e, O3 b/ b) M, E- r. t7 O  ELooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 H! B- W$ o% i, J* j9 w) _

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 K; ?: p: _! x* T! {" d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
4 {6 d) h% V" OYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 o. ]# S; a* q8 M6 n6 A, H
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......6 O' }7 R4 f+ ^" ~
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 \  a) L. U. E" d, k
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- c* s) o' i- J% D用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 F% P8 w6 G. b2 x9 |0 v/ n& [' H這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& U  w6 Y' ]3 J: f  G
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ }8 Q: d5 n' q0 s( C( M而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ B; ?  S' N% e

. G- O4 d, v- F4 O8 u1 s導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
8 P2 G  F. U5 l- y; A4 M/ C6 x好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* {* C. U! i  E! U
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 U+ L2 C3 a$ T0 o; a& I# s9 ^! S信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: d! F4 s& s- R: z

4 _9 N. l" N) U, X( f/ {% b3 D6 \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 W! e8 }9 f2 Y2 |5 {4 D' n
.............信耶穌... ...

; s% e& }6 C: v+ O: X1 gRegarding the resurrection....
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* d/ o$ z2 j/ Y$ L7 CActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 p( Y5 v- U4 f- B

; I) E" R1 {  I2 [& p: |; ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.