Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 ~8 j7 Z" ?& s$ K, o
我係一個連自己都吳信的人# e' c: E. z# K; L% p2 u; Y
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 V( S9 Q4 ~' k! b' u, X4 a+ s! NNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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) u  D6 a" S& T( Y$ DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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8 f" s' W2 S. i2 X) u8 rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ ]! L0 C( {. U% e
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' l/ Z, m' u: o4 \1 o我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 ~/ @+ h# ]9 O" g, q+ d
真的!!這不是反話* r4 _$ o6 m* f) f6 r
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' [8 k2 b; I3 O+ t* b以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: L( `! i. E8 I' J, }在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  Q4 O8 F3 U5 T6 j; R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?6 o6 g" \; Z# }( H) Z
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) }/ Z1 o; \, w+ B  g
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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% D3 u) z3 B$ a4 d+ D2 y$ L& pLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' `6 H. K4 a- S

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"7 N7 [: u6 H9 y/ h0 S& k
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 X5 M( Q, `! Q4 K( z: o8 E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., W' W, T7 I7 b! j  v" b6 C/ F( O
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it's starting because we have sins......
: R' a- t6 q( o* S$ Z: Xsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
) F7 |. U3 B. T, o5 vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& P6 M: a2 \, d6 O% j2 h; p
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 V; S0 s5 K: m# M
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  T4 `; W6 N  }. W7 M
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全8 r2 X# ]6 c' y5 h1 S$ {" t
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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9 l( {2 q6 J+ A4 j. M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, {' ~" e8 i5 n8 [1 h3 x
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 g4 @0 T; J" F
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# U( Q0 P' H1 j+ N9 T
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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6 ?3 l2 l5 e2 P1 ~以下是其他人的見解,0 S" `$ G& ]( S! _% w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" x) y8 F- Y4 \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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1 ?1 d( P2 h( B$ r4 A8 }不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% W" l! l9 S4 c

& v8 _, D9 N, \0 i# Z- _我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& h+ {! V! Z4 u. k% A+ ]. A
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% L4 y+ c. u! H
.............信耶穌... ...

4 e; h0 H4 ?5 k; r4 @% P! u0 \1 wRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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4 q' T# w: y8 MYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.