Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 i2 c3 B* A4 U/ r7 Y0 }% G我係一個連自己都吳信的人* ^$ \# P3 d. Z4 X1 q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: J# U8 z$ Y& d$ H道理我知道好多只係做吳到) }, Q1 F4 J& L3 u4 b
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 X9 n8 b4 j( Z$ z- [9 k  d5 L1 I

6 e/ O2 q* |  f- MNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 E* ?) g# g9 i# mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; g* C( m3 z; `& W我只不過微小的基督徒...................; P8 F( q. V) O0 F
真的!!這不是反話2 _( z7 S. l$ d
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: a! V4 g$ S8 }, V) ?以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( Y. N- F7 C$ u0 \. {在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:# u) Q; e1 k, m0 c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?/ m. b5 v8 W+ G  @% n7 H. S
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 `2 Y: ?9 ~) @# g( K
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 j2 t2 X; p. ~/ r3 j( |# w) G4 T) v
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) x7 `5 M) m8 K: L, p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
% g. Y$ y9 U$ X$ q/ yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* _  ?; v# s* k$ ^- V9 W% B" R5 n5 [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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' h* \7 e* R4 j0 J5 Cit's starting because we have sins......6 h+ v+ q6 ?7 Y  x
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - v/ k/ p3 \$ J6 D" ?# l
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 ^6 r; H2 h5 `/ `& P. B9 F1 r
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 e3 \! T: u! m' Y3 G! a# }; Z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  A: j& J- d9 X6 V7 ^' ~這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 E* U7 e7 t& b
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- v. E! n" S/ }  w( d6 I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 g, ~( j# E9 @" T  P. M& E- p% m導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
% h' r7 ^4 X9 W# h) o2 E7 ~( j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 S' p- f4 `8 }: p8 @

, c" ?/ Y- a. s: b& k2 k一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
6 F" c4 G* ?8 F1 k* @改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法1 o' e0 t$ O5 I* H9 `* `- S
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' T0 s' |' M. t. p

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; A! F6 h# v1 Y- E) j吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% s6 Y' e( y6 X- {( @信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- k8 t& W8 @' _! s0 p

; ^. L( d3 C1 Y# U0 B( U) \( T# Q# `以下是其他人的見解,
$ b/ m% x  k) m8 h" Q$ ?4 K) \看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( g! s1 O1 i! \2 P9 y4 B! P/ e
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- }+ q  M8 b) c+ y
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ {5 w3 D7 _- J/ _' b
.............信耶穌... ...

1 U, a. j& t7 L% dRegarding the resurrection....
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# U+ h( u/ y# p5 d' ^: K5 lActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.