Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 m0 a0 y- T2 T6 m% k我係一個連自己都吳信的人
- R2 J7 Q1 j5 q; x4 l又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ P0 J* U+ O, I; j道理我知道好多只係做吳到
) i2 t  a! Z+ O呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# w- V8 b4 U9 H3 C/ hNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; Y# O4 j, W* x' a( M8 @

* i5 o+ K; ?3 [4 k5 X5 PNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- K. K, w* L9 t4 Y
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ D& r- S/ @$ r5 k

) y6 P4 [0 @' w6 Istruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 A+ ^) K. C$ H' V
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
( E% I0 b0 A8 H2 X我只不過微小的基督徒...................
0 X( f" g3 c. L6 T& P1 `* [; @真的!!這不是反話4 y0 U7 e( x* G& P
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  T# g# Z- s- @' B4 P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,! {& W; T- ~0 L' M, l
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 W1 f4 u6 t+ }5 ^: z6 x4 e. r
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 D  Q% h  }) e  H7 ~% g" j0 {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?. T7 l0 u; U4 A* z6 E1 N7 |( p# H
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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+ J) ^. z8 ^5 K. g& Q- l' lI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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' D6 H0 i  y3 H% ~4 Q" `1 S[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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* {8 z8 x0 O! a5 c( g# W8 k"不信也沒損失"
4 ^& ?* j0 u; N! z& G4 w6 mYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 z0 i: J( v: }- g* w# e: Mbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......; [; H3 c  x0 d# ~5 N- [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; X) C/ _2 d9 {, h' g* M
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# o- j1 X% a+ K5 @  F
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
8 w7 Y' n/ W0 S  _" W這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 A( [+ J4 Z8 y( g0 c. q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. }) w8 V* R/ y+ N; U# x0 j
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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1 R- y0 i- L9 _% A導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 S' y% A& `8 ]' e) x
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," j1 O# K9 U$ }- L2 ~
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; m7 |; F2 C2 z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% k" t3 C, n+ E0 S1 s% n
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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& p' L/ d' w" {: H! A) v4 l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 t8 Q2 M" m. R* b7 Z- Z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" f6 f% y$ V' }# v( H; y, Y
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以下是其他人的見解,
9 r1 I! J' M: S看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤% @9 G! O* C* V3 h& \$ f
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm# \+ ^1 s- @) U
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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8 n$ T+ P* {& C信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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, C( a5 L3 @1 e( d. i9 u8 s3 m同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 X" _) i$ G1 B$ `7 v( }
.............信耶穌... ...

7 i( Z6 \- d# I) V- X) P$ XRegarding the resurrection....; h. u/ W4 E0 D5 m  n) X- s

- @) l- J* z/ {+ a; i* m; iActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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. p2 o. f9 t+ {! RYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.