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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42:B:C3Tx H v AU
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9 [/quote]#gq)M6hq A:{
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by 諸葛亮. He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.0{2MU J B*B+wz
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:
why?
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較:o [/quote]
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him. 姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of 諸葛亮.
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51:
他比孔明更偉大 [/quote]
Agree. Both of them were extremely loyalty. However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation. He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機 [/quote]
yes, that's the point.:)
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終...... [/quote]"L*s;I }?F#R
Many '3 countries' peoples 不得善終 too:D
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:&p'e E fn$R(L(j6P3{
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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司... [/quote]!l'rC&NU2Nrsz
why you think司馬懿 and 陸遜 are good at fight than 諸葛亮 ?????????????
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
佢勁係勁在治國能力............!YbJ(K4A{_
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聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........9vqWwp5D!nYA
佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...
好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真 [/quote]
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........3f PG$j E;u
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:
呢個網係講有關三國正史~ ^f xn:[ q
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諸葛亮係上述當中絕對唔係最好嘅軍事家, 用人亦只用文人如楊儀, 馬謖等紙上談兵之輩, 可來成功?JC#Bj1K~(F g!R Z,p Oy
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聽完更加覺得諸葛亮唔掂, 死前唔陪養多D有用嘅人用(有一大堆文人嘅), 有魏延如此勇猛的人又唔重用......可憐自己個仔一野就比鄧艾打爆......,_R YE4C
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司馬懿兩個仔都至高無上, 個孫司馬炎仲統一埋......
陸遜個仔都係大都督,同羊祜更惺惺相惜......
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講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的
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