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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 03:34 AM

[size=5][color=Teal]在推理問題時,我們可以用 '' 如果/ if ''

在 ''如果'' 之下有''如果'' .....一直至沒有''如果'' .....那就是真正答案;b?rm(H

但推理問題時,我們用 ''假設''
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那就會一直''假設''下去 , 但所得出來的答案 , 既不能證明''假設'' 之本身是否正確 ,它亦只是一個''假設'' 的答案 , if ''假設'' 有誤 , 那麼''錯誤''又豈能得出''正確''[/color][/size]9Q*T2lsp+aJs
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 04:42 AM

[size=6][color=Red]別偷看,最難是如何開始,一看就冇意義.雖然錯了:D[/color][/size]

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-2 05:29 AM

OO~
我己諗到點做
但現在要返學><
今晚又要同個索女慶祝生日><(好痛苦yo hoho~)
play兄唔好咁快開工呀><
等埋我返黎先呀~~

playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 06:56 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 04:42 AM:cSp],_F o-E!u

如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C)4{8B!zd$q}&sQ$Mv

{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T- = A3(-)
[color=Red]{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T+  = A4(-) [/color]
{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+, {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},F  =B2(+)y5u S:^h:Lkc]

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{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , [color=Blue]代表A3,4,B1,2  有問題 ( B1,2<>A3,4  T+  , 得知  B1<>A4 T+  )[/color]GIhf0ko2d

{A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T+  = A4(-) [color=Maroon]抽起了B2 , A3换了位  ,但天坪沒改变 , 代表B2 , A3 非問題波子 (得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) [/color]
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那有問題的還有B1  , A4  ...... 那現在去看看B1  , A4  的歷史.

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[color=Blue]首先由第二步知道 A3,4,B1,2 有問題 ( 亦得知 B1 <> A4  T+  )[/color] a2{6{.tS-ief_
[color=Green]再由第一步資料( 亦可得知 B1 <> A4  T+ )[/color]
最後如何下定論 {A3,[color=Maroon]B1[/color]<>[color=Maroon]A4[/color],N(C)},[color=Maroon]T+[/color]  = [color=Red]  A4(-) [/color] y4kJ!}{8FQ

如果不是[color=Red]A4(-)[/color], 而一直是[color=Blue]B1(+) [/color]g)|F'`3DVj
第一步 ( 得知 [color=Maroon]B1[/color] <>[color=Maroon] A4  T+[/color]  ) ....成立 \ b_v@a9p
第二步( 亦可得知 [color=Maroon]B1[/color] <> [color=Maroon]A4  T+[/color] ).....成立;D {;X(S dd;MH
第三步(得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) ......成立nL%b^CXp{8SU!Q6\
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所以[color=Blue]B1(+)  [/color]也是有可能的:good::good::good:

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:10 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 06:56: [0fFzIq6i:@

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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T... [/quote]$K%R2?bEF
對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了Q.H x;@,Ml#i
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:10 AM:G/c!V-L(lq-G:UH'q

對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了R'Z$Vl;m8[2vU6P I
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26:

:haha:......:cry: [/quote]D)`W G9_*p
仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番.
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:34 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26 AM:8[/wBz7eq7Y1Q
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仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番.d_A.vbm
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如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C)mm,GT"yVrHt
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[color=Red]{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},T- = A3(-) [/color]}@,H`V,?;x C6l r
{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},T+  = B2(+)
{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+, {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},F  =A4(-)
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 12:20 AM

[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真係會變蠢,30歲果陣用咗37分鐘,;`E[3d`)DIn
如今......不過playplay 幫手checkcheck,我唔想check[/color]:D:D[/size]M!HD"]~ I@
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 01:28 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 00:20:
[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真... [/quote]1o*hLfE1_(U.O7j
#22最好hiden埋,因為雖然係錯,但原理一樣.

2000 發表於 2007-3-3 04:01 AM

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[b]評語 : 此答案意念創新,方法大膽,乃大智若愚之作[/b]
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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 02:43 PM

PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先答mY_$r6h9R lp
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假如啦,我而家面前真係有13粒波子係度,咁在我開始操作前,我知唔知有問題粒係重左定輕左呢?zhjK"TJ
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我想清楚而家ge情況係邊種:@o A{sx \
(1)你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係重左,然後叫我搵出黎
or你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係輕左,然後叫我搵出黎o0x*yc D9[&?D-]"s

(2)你俾13粒波子我,話俾我聽,唔知佢輕左定重左,叫我搵出黎H8oE-xT;x'Oo H
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老實說,如果係開如操作前,我已經知佢係輕左or重左(但唔知邊粒係),我知道係一定可以做到的O^ []9js$y
如果要透過3次操作,要在13粒波子中搵出一粒未知重左定輕左ge波子,我會說是不可能的
但我見到又有人答到wor,雖然我沒有看他們的答案(所以我唔知係邊種情況,我估佢地答0岩掛...)
所以我覺得係問題出在我身上,但又不能確定

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:12 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 14:43:
PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先... [/quote]%vKbNbwB
唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還須要諗嗎?

sakura兄,如果凡事一開始就存否定態度,
而不嘗試探索一下,會自己局限了自己世界觀.J(VAc[QJ`

試一試再想想才去否定還未遲.U1Jk l G(Hj8We
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不過原來playplay個答案係好簡單,
我鑽牛角尖了,我真蠢:cry:
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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 03:27 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:12 PM:m Z-_wP6Qz

唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還... [/quote]

咁係咪即係情況(2)?

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 15:27:

咁係咪即係情況(2)? [/quote]

情況(2),唔佢知輕左定重左.~+si2@(K#|S?AQ
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其實playplay係個問題度已經有好大提示,13粒同12粒大同小異,
可以先諗下12粒點樣solve,+p5us6|0U/o6G-Nys
我好耐以前諗過12粒,當時我用我自己嘅方法solve到,7c$q&D&n^7^6D8cnU
因為得唔得自己可以證實,所以一路冇睇過答案.
亦冇再深入諗個原理,所以亦局限咗自己,

而家知咗原理,就發現自己當時武斷地覺得太簡單了,是何其笨實.:D

原來世界有幾大,在乎心胸有多寛敞:D~A;e,|C~
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 06:09 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:27 PM:
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咁係咪即係情況(2)? [/quote]
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大優勢 發表於 2007-3-3 06:22 PM

對不起
我絕無講大話&[mNVXM)[

我三十秒已經破了
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五個對五個cSgE`

之後@~,Z8QP}G

二個對二個
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所以其實有三種方法7m4^`7dd

就係 3 4 5 都可以

playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 07:06 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 06:22 PM:4a7YJ7u7t
對不起#n@P5Qk
我絕無講大話

我三十秒已... [/quote]
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吾係吾信你.......不過你要做條 formula 出黎 , 而條 formula 係要在所有变數之下都『萬試萬靈』,咁個答案先叫『完滿』

比心機喇兄弟 :agree::agree:我會等你:good:

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 11:33 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 18:22:
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我絕無講大話#g+d9\;aq(Cg;q7`
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我三十秒已... [/quote]

勁！！:good:7J6^2z(AK
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請問五個對五個之後知道了什麼？:confused::confused::confused:

選那二個對那二個？:confused::confused::confused:

還有一次機會......剩下六個未知:confused::confused::confused:

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-4 08:16 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 11:33 PM: _KMmY I6Jv2C

勁！！:good:&bj?0F8C(rOW9T
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請問五個對五個... [/quote]._)S8{ ]5R'P9^t9BwG:C
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大家用n分鐘先諗到ge野,佢30秒諗到
我諗佢個腦geCPU一定好高級,說不定到天才級數都未定= =
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好啦~今日到我答啦(唔知截左止未呢?:D)(B!o)? [%N%?j
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講起黎就有趣,我諗到,全憑今朝的夢(不然可能成世都諗唔到 haha)hvmC)e&[
在夢中,在我喜歡的女仔生日哥時,我送左兩樣野俾佢<===這是真的^^[color=White](佢琴日生日ga!!)[/color]
(我送咩俾佢?唔話你知,等你心思思 XD),C!Ze5?7m_kB'd
到我生日哥時,個女仔送左一隻介戒指俾我...<===這是不可能的><
(不知大家看懂了有甚麼提示沒有? XD)lq,X7QO+[a

之後在今朝起身,就靈機一觸諗到點做
希望我無做錯啦 haha^^)R4iPq&k%[*tQp"J

這次實在太失敗,想了兩天才完工,唉~傷心...2wcAW9g5D
我將我個答案delete,因為我唔想俾人睇到
我將答案save成word檔,存成附件,咁你就可以慢慢睇
解zip遇到問題,記得返黎睇呢個post:P:P
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