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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 03:34 AM

[size=5][color=Teal]在推理問題時,我們可以用 '' 如果/ if ''

在 ''如果'' 之下有''如果'' .....一直至沒有''如果'' .....那就是真正答案;h,C Qt8fZ7d JD

但推理問題時,我們用 ''假設''

那就會一直''假設''下去 , 但所得出來的答案 , 既不能證明''假設'' 之本身是否正確 ,它亦只是一個''假設'' 的答案 , if ''假設'' 有誤 , 那麼''錯誤''又豈能得出''正確''[/color][/size]qu\%jA e
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 04:42 AM

[size=6][color=Red]別偷看,最難是如何開始,一看就冇意義.雖然錯了:D[/color][/size]
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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-2 05:29 AM

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但現在要返學><
今晚又要同個索女慶祝生日><(好痛苦yo hoho~) _:]q}6g]6w4{0b'wD\
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等埋我返黎先呀~~

playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 06:56 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 04:42 AM:3?7Q5}tMHC
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如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C)`.Pd/n:|V9}h

{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T- = A3(-) JK2tN!t xa
[color=Red]{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T+  = A4(-) [/color]
{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+, {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},F  =B2(+)TB/G6X~

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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , [color=Green]( B1,2<>A3,4  T+ , 得知 B1 <> A4  T+ )[/color] u ]/B*FK4d

{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , [color=Blue]代表A3,4,B1,2  有問題 ( B1,2<>A3,4  T+  , 得知  B1<>A4 T+  )[/color]9JK[ s dL
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{A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T+  = A4(-) [color=Maroon]抽起了B2 , A3换了位  ,但天坪沒改变 , 代表B2 , A3 非問題波子 (得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) [/color]
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那有問題的還有B1  , A4  ...... 那現在去看看B1  , A4  的歷史.

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[color=Blue]首先由第二步知道 A3,4,B1,2 有問題 ( 亦得知 B1 <> A4  T+  )[/color] (~ |7wR:iC?
[color=Green]再由第一步資料( 亦可得知 B1 <> A4  T+ )[/color] ~~1E@O,D
最後如何下定論 {A3,[color=Maroon]B1[/color]<>[color=Maroon]A4[/color],N(C)},[color=Maroon]T+[/color]  = [color=Red]  A4(-) [/color] &p.E oJF(g

如果不是[color=Red]A4(-)[/color], 而一直是[color=Blue]B1(+) [/color]
第一步 ( 得知 [color=Maroon]B1[/color] <>[color=Maroon] A4  T+[/color]  ) ....成立
第二步( 亦可得知 [color=Maroon]B1[/color] <> [color=Maroon]A4  T+[/color] ).....成立 ?%Y'K7g^y%Y$}
第三步(得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) ......成立

所以[color=Blue]B1(+)  [/color]也是有可能的:good::good::good:*h+Q3N#HE8^v7L

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:10 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 06:56: y{'S0I0_?O

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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T... [/quote] bS:c` I[8Q*t
對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了^H4y~%v/_}7cH
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:10 AM:
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對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了j0ww7B$G5nR?
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:haha:......:cry:

guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26:x,CfZnswgSc
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:haha:......:cry: [/quote]vihi"Ua
仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番.$G|%t|OLA{w1` W3X
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:34 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26 AM:

仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番.:JR {oD(W ^Q

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如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C)
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[color=Red]{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},T- = A3(-) [/color]Is/mW+L$h
{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},T+  = B2(+) "br_8aH ^1v7SB
{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+, {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},F  =A4(-)

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 12:20 AM

[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真係會變蠢,30歲果陣用咗37分鐘,
如今......不過playplay 幫手checkcheck,我唔想check[/color]:D:D[/size]R5~i#Dq7qd:s
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 01:28 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 00:20:
[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真... [/quote]
#22最好hiden埋,因為雖然係錯,但原理一樣.

2000 發表於 2007-3-3 04:01 AM

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 02:43 PM

PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先答/f"K'}{#f.X
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假如啦,我而家面前真係有13粒波子係度,咁在我開始操作前,我知唔知有問題粒係重左定輕左呢?
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我想清楚而家ge情況係邊種:o%Tj$?xc
(1)你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係重左,然後叫我搵出黎
or你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係輕左,然後叫我搵出黎#R/cP)p5K4y

(2)你俾13粒波子我,話俾我聽,唔知佢輕左定重左,叫我搵出黎

老實說,如果係開如操作前,我已經知佢係輕左or重左(但唔知邊粒係),我知道係一定可以做到的
如果要透過3次操作,要在13粒波子中搵出一粒未知重左定輕左ge波子,我會說是不可能的&I%n(pB0^*g8U
但我見到又有人答到wor,雖然我沒有看他們的答案(所以我唔知係邊種情況,我估佢地答0岩掛...)O E3D+yp5NF
所以我覺得係問題出在我身上,但又不能確定+qnDe0V:t
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:12 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 14:43:
PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先... [/quote]%F8Q(M4f[;\QT
唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還須要諗嗎?~&Y)?eS
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sakura兄,如果凡事一開始就存否定態度,9C+j,C rK:Q
而不嘗試探索一下,會自己局限了自己世界觀.7n WZ5@O\5Md

試一試再想想才去否定還未遲.
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不過原來playplay個答案係好簡單,So.Wa-NEI
我鑽牛角尖了,我真蠢:cry:
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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 03:27 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:12 PM:pQ'](u$[$[H

唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還... [/quote]
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咁係咪即係情況(2)?

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 15:27:9]N2VR"Zk}
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咁係咪即係情況(2)? [/quote]6d)V}Lniwz+O'H

情況(2),唔佢知輕左定重左.

其實playplay係個問題度已經有好大提示,13粒同12粒大同小異,
可以先諗下12粒點樣solve,#qnkMY+f#tM
我好耐以前諗過12粒,當時我用我自己嘅方法solve到,$}/yy*I+C9]"@)t%{AM+J
因為得唔得自己可以證實,所以一路冇睇過答案.d%Vg Af
亦冇再深入諗個原理,所以亦局限咗自己,

而家知咗原理,就發現自己當時武斷地覺得太簡單了,是何其笨實.:D"h.IYkIP/_`
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原來世界有幾大,在乎心胸有多寛敞:D

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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 06:09 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:27 PM:{!\~T[[V$sp

咁係咪即係情況(2)? [/quote]E-l.Pw4p%CA r
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大優勢 發表於 2007-3-3 06:22 PM

對不起
我絕無講大話

我三十秒已經破了7R!HghUTP
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(我用實物代替快啲)

五個對五個t0GM*_ U?

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....方式

所以其實有三種方法IvA*l2aD3t'cUI

就係 3 4 5 都可以

playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 07:06 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 06:22 PM:
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我絕無講大話
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我三十秒已... [/quote]
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吾係吾信你.......不過你要做條 formula 出黎 , 而條 formula 係要在所有变數之下都『萬試萬靈』,咁個答案先叫『完滿』+Bs:R1kv(RT w&fo

比心機喇兄弟 :agree::agree:我會等你:good:

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 11:33 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 18:22:${\$S.d$|`@y%h+T
對不起
我絕無講大話

我三十秒已... [/quote]

勁！！:good: h"qHG.g7u'X*W

請問五個對五個之後知道了什麼？:confused::confused::confused:tlRmp
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選那二個對那二個？:confused::confused::confused:
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還有一次機會......剩下六個未知:confused::confused::confused:

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-4 08:16 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 11:33 PM:

勁！！:good:
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請問五個對五個... [/quote] ev%k8wJC0\*k{w
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在夢中,在我喜歡的女仔生日哥時,我送左兩樣野俾佢<===這是真的^^[color=White](佢琴日生日ga!!)[/color]b*D cA4Z
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到我生日哥時,個女仔送左一隻介戒指俾我...<===這是不可能的><)a7M1O$FG K
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希望我無做錯啦 haha^^
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