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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
DL,|BN*z.~"SE 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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!o Onp_JuQ 大家覺得:
}j?#m5B,\ j"yP 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是'w|-I~f6V
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?7Ib1Ei*@l0rZ4u.Ha
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0n$L:G7P9n6rR&`ZQD 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
"?J$S,e3hof6A 你覺得邊樣重要?
I(}ud6Q2_ 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,W k9M*t _
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
\s&zg/f\&c 有無成功/失敗既例子?%RM7G-x`3U)b8`[,C
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?!Bwn+\:e"~6_

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
Q/s$i7JW 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
e\ SK+r,Qr5? 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~8d.F5oK1}B9|
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~(kp[~1WE1`QU'L
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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}~VRP{ 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
~ Tw%V2[2k0f 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
;a,n6R^pP1C*oS:k 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
Ad:mo}/Sm1X 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
9prJB%?6m$F5mdU 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
-v"h frMV9{4F 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
-[P)I:_*{S 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
6|-GT S!epM 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:$~m~1{jy]Il[v
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
,pw\p? n? 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
AFXYTN1{A 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:vxL%W8H
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
!Kzj4U#J h:Oy0k 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]0K k*?a{$J$sx&G5JT
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
w.pY5_n8m;F 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
x4U-[]xIUV b9Z 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低nrKm(v}TqXr
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高$}a/}7J%~
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高S%w ujl(]
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的3L[.g+kL L)J3P
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:Iol0kb&FMt w

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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
gpw/FLAg^Iu 咁又係~~$JJ]"TT0j+|
好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
*UI,e1s xQb 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
$o0Nrp8i f6Q 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星Z|5B6v0L1C0F
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙9o ]u-?b(?
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
R*zgs:G6mqE:nMX 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
~.l2n"yEkV 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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4r4l9znx9U)Z&J1ISx 用運動是很好的例子:Dsc qV'wy~l"T
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
4s2m/x.W'e 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊, YO*~G%z9H-y$s
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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A.I9FxR{%| ff2Rb 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
1~ c/R;Kp'~g$o 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...9_uTf3k6Q9lW;e
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
QJ;V`fNh 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
yq N,FZ1\$m 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
w cW*|%X+JP1w 這題目矛盾的地方是:
-`"P-mc#\ 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
?)d {NHx0Ye 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote].mU2{"q*a+F"Gv5p!xL'S_

)Q;O q9YT ?@/Q 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野%F yiE~)^N
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層7H$Q#Pi_q5R_;Zc_
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
bx%vO)Lb4I;AG 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野^%xF8^oE
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
j%zQBl6q [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]zd;k@jS@G
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|F4sLm4uE$?+Q [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.B/S2Pd `&^
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.|-H[{6c$`
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
i&~ YS7yz/g8Y(S0v4s,V em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:$C kn_2A#uC%m
聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.t7jt F{r
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? NohMV:KA
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No9{ yS;F R|Z
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
$Q~:AG7O y People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
+? eH |@t nm People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
k u CQ7?[O~ People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
J$gQb;~0Z4ny 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
^tA:o!}z0Sy 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
4Esr#_O!KN| X 只要肯 ... [/quote]`)RM L,L@q

$m^Z} L I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
!D1M}Wm6@ 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No"mx7qYwqN%u
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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,D'L8n5O|R 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
hjE[\kxA 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行!H;f9CJ8X/NBT3_8a
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
NZ`z#I"\ 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次0`GOwUsg h } w]a
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍9w1aZ8~na
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在1B3u-g8H/S$?(J
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理NzC9g6Yh(H

Ju(}"?SKu9e 《傷仲永》
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n-Fi4q&Tb^:V4q+m 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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K8lt)\_Y,R 書解:
{ ~L q%Uw!Pn{ 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻n _ ze:Q#W|
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現;I VxIO$kS*f6I
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱;hskw%q2f
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係最佳年輕球員 ?;C8k!apI
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o*ep2D$A1Akw MU 小弟想講既係z't/x'xCD
有天份但係冇好運
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有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧,y S2?n0\
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其實好多時
A8i&Ee'b V 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才#s$o\~U&f,M!PD^
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
b.^(S(_ k B ?5Odn 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
U)X/H2t(X8f-k pQ.A 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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1}CQ)m#FQT well, Lee Sharpe?
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.mDl5c }&|Q-q+j then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
C#n'q*RE{ right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:I~ C*G6^
well, Lee Sharpe?#pF`?^2b
He took drugs..
e_2K4N{D then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....f8J#a~4_!cZ hq'[j
right?! [/quote]
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3BJX4NMl 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs,c tG-x|
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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"B8WF ?N|w)y`Y7U|C [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..x1f#x/rR m-D
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]t*`nB#QU

uTkpS ?A [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
Pm8d-b.f+RZiM(| 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]zfd^4[(o_

;BV!^]N5|7`g1U [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…-x,\\\XE A,bXN
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol: G/J2d:U0SCJ
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