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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
|wb8RmT| 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:o4nS.hib)o6^-_?
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
)h(cG8{(F 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?Nk CnW0N$v

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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
m"g9Z GP6c p)a%H 你覺得邊樣重要?;K~Y`X ox2\5N
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,8z u_1f3{*^^o0]
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
#RAZ{rt;r:K 有無成功/失敗既例子?*db Ln{x
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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希望大家俾心機答:D8lu%L6L3?4y
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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~v CaD8D8Ii!Q
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~+s3] Ef?CK{L5Z
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~5xxT*p4w d9D
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
%]6jn!Z\'KTts9Ee/f 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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9yQd0LG r:} 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
k9{]!dNu 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=m`$E9g5L ~ R$gQ
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
-EM-D SH6X6t"|M 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星&F u`0IA`
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
TW$uUL;Q 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
-x o0@_Ycm$B 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層h qH/H @QX@i
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
"u+advJN-V;Eh,m3m 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
RxT/fj 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???!A Uy%X|-OO
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:0H%y9Hv(T;f;^&Nt
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
xJh(F LX 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote] w:Ia:k0Yn

'C6}(aG3m)d 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得B"G$HVdOyp
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
h't6e'P8zmD 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
#vj[%V kb 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
-H^&sD f+ASjq 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高's@ RMAMF-g,n
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的"U8Q ^y/Mm2\a@
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]-s;FL)BeO
咁又係~~0j3QV0cg\'eS
好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:$Mo%hW)_9j,qk
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
_1b-Xn@z 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
RYssVJ/q*f 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
W)td}7nQ\ 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書TQ~%u;s)E?
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
}K\B?D5`&I)[ 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:D7Q#{7B6M{%Mg+ww
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.1}x"z3H;C$K
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
kQ.X;xh)a$m 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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"xUq#B QG(sn2i 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力!i7o,A/N1o3l2FYJ
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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_*p4w&PX5_ 這題目矛盾的地方是:? R2K)hc^)AV
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力0iRb%?.h-cO7CG1A
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
h&Rc7nn)gS B ?-N 這題目矛盾的地方是:
"~&ju$v?7X:H$\ 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力9]fNDi@ n0v
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]!Mo.gXCx
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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n(]$x y*P4b4]J 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
X+y'Gh-a7\5O 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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B#ph/JbE}P W$P 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野P:Y"~VI"H'c z(z;L Y \Q
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]f UypY J
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]"t|h6m3n+? O

:Q&C Zi'LhE2J [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], gj W(h Z6AM
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
"d9b?[ u| but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.t Jpp7~d
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
%@F@'V(A{a6j em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
F#W7U4Y/Jh 聰明重要'v G?y^N6Z
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
8[`_8QpL)u,E everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.!q)u.A*^,I4U9Pe2}
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No&fL#WOMtnC
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No)gt$SH5c{3Q{)C_6Nv-e
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
T5]@kyz(["cNHb People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力x ^(AR/iU.]h
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
l MF^ W People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the lifei)ia:u`s
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:V;R;rW \O7rg H
只要有天份就唔需要努力? Noe J2NF b
只要肯 ... [/quote]?$c.Hj%w+AO2L

5p z0p,m/LmR"z I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
ZR!w w&yxy9p)V 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
dn.tLW_?D$D r'} 只要肯 ... [/quote]@!{7z_u

V0e3F.ge 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
HnGz Eb+r 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
ys6q9\a)D+^ K 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
4q.q5g%W;Ry 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
E rL;Z KQx 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
]yCIz-pAr 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在f kiHiIS by*T
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理!U4S?,l!_ XTZQ
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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/s7V;Wfm y 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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6\)W zrTY"q 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 +}OUvP,}pL
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?/A){$m A3L)f
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k3H t#BHnH%f 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱Hd$[%f\F(X
去左邊?
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係最佳年輕球員
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T$q5m4V(L{1AcrC 小弟想講既係!Tm3N,l;f#[F&^
有天份但係冇好運
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有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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t4GA{8d(NG 同埋
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小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
3T,sD4q4a| 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:/rKw9m1m1z
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻1s4G7k:E_5j"d(p O']
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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9jh"z];| well, Lee Sharpe?
V+S#j:Q!a"A4~ He took drugs..
3R%H^-M x l!ooF/Y:m then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
HH8FS'S T Ip!p right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:_U3Q:c0F
well, Lee Sharpe?
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xjBw3}}R/y"Q? then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career....."o(w? Y/wS
right?! [/quote]b2uP_ c$P.`

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V7h.BISvOh%\r n 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]1I Q*GJ8qB

D um x)N9KR2k2AX [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
xh.zg3C5\ 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]c r.us&Wf [(? L0N
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街6H]9{6A/V#W{m7L,p
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]O+a K0lb G"sz5H
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…8|i3Bs"cX
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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