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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力 tz'l-Rq/z
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:
7NG7h3r hz3o 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是 c;Q_(mXO8U
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
/f%K(P {L#W4aT 你覺得邊樣重要?[p[6i9~2K
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
.Y mt9R9m8V1k 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
Vwf)b4B:t0Sg+I 有無成功/失敗既例子?
.wDt_Q-B 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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希望大家俾心機答:DRH;p3buM$a/k9Bl+]~R
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
P\)a| c-}pG7Pu Z'a'z 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~'zKR&N(p
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~8S&KzI+Rs*qFq
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
yu7W4ujc ad%] 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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!~zS-Y,|)Ft4D'[ 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~X ] PUD:Tc d8v
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=.py)C5y*K8@_
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦ew5?I2L h8A
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
6M k?p8k h6H [ p.L 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙'~]3{^8x"glt(\&e$a,Y
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書 j!hp+v2r/Wn
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
wt%bN/k:Wx 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
pDKe9wJ)w[? x ot 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]ymK XjzZ.b/]6E4U T.V0E
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
Mw3o-Xw;FO,E ^;z 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???`(BxTd j%I'c7?%u
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
?m;j#O.oX.j@(z:y 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁2h:^b/KT A S
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
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其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的8J(?%z Jgde.@ wb
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:Vr,d}p P
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]hN@7f {y
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
)tl"v;\(Wa 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦2wss i/JrQt
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
!p2} i1V@B,W 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
PZo@ h7Id 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
Gr3U8|` ZM 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
&j|%n*nD 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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Q ^D.Qo f/g T 用運動是很好的例子:Do_1?%[[u m {w
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.!Eig_` }&OU^^
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,4ZM@E&b6@e-]k2`C
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..;H7vo+Z/C#A

x&Y~#rZ%o 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
(z$IF.KMH*r2nq4N 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...1GQul(Q(z;I

PD"zyl 這題目矛盾的地方是:(M#K'k ]4u4CE2k
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
!Bm^.q?vQ 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
uU*l kFP)Pf/iC 這題目矛盾的地方是:
I%mi#s7J2b/h&i 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力)w ~Lx(~2I$z
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote])? ph4w%lz
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
Hd7E;^ m5o 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實!o3y"\&J_%T;r

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
R L@2@ hB(oCR.R but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university._h8E;ApmlF"]
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
S+H\ _ n8g&b"R V(gY em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
b1UE?&@1v(Kx 聰明重要"j6R9c`$a5@1WiF
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... [/quote]
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
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Ie{$rU but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
-H9P#yA3dJ^-M/X 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
;qD}.}fhgXk It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successedf8{+MB&q.[
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
vgW(dP[,c;@#Q People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力9Jp.pWe
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
V P~8P&J| 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:7N j\U9_H&l,R
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No7J_e ZV4W
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
0L$pA1H$rqpk0Xs AH 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
d&@/t1hn0}sqi 只要肯 ... [/quote]nFj d(Gr

1]9a/^]P 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功%iZ$D||2C
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行 jI,e a`NOw']
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
*f!A D1?V"h#^ 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
\(L&t.yl"i4P 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍+b6H4q@7qa
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在 Y+zyl;v0sB.w
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理Irs7t3L1DJN(~
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;P rAxV Z l+x 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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e4D(`0pAFePa 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?r y*`,_7uPPL

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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻v#DX7Uo'Z9ig
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現2x"\k N(`h!YW8b;H
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去左邊?
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係最佳年輕球員
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小弟想講既係#JhY-|zzX0sfU
有天份但係冇好運7C ~oZv jm%t
都係死......
6c*N0L^Z 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否8|hK YOy,cZ*\

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小弟覺得天份緊要一點(~8p~ ?\,O6`2`
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命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
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其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
H5iIkA"V&hL9H/MwY 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻ajv!T*aw
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]Z^6i S\
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well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
;k TX:s5{GM&d right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:z,HVB(Fj]|
well, Lee Sharpe?q[d,|rLxK[v
He took drugs..oNC$t.o:[#V(M
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
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e:Mgu5LG5q;vC 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
D$u&eX)m8t 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]lTQ&u y
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左.. {r ^{GZ,Nf
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]I0V+?9at9L)y
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
1U(Iv+Q6J1P 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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t DI(HYQ7S [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
H"sW7U1d!? 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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