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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
3q?n#x%ZU5~ 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙!VE%LE,S];_.oc

ubg],KTm ~ 大家覺得:-_:qU,s'f8O8a?
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是5I[YK*y9w S
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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+_Z?8~2F;P,b:lF+rN 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
:C5z*}&Y*@*?:S/a 你覺得邊樣重要?n,}8_ Ch LI
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,:m%|F/Hp0f2rP
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?!Q.\{r*dZv
有無成功/失敗既例子?
(sS%T+i4wvL,C\[ 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何? `.r[wz+tz:d
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[:Pf `2}s8N 同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
,yd7C3s%t$plA,^k 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~:@*Q%dz(C6C;o
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~ p,~5| W IR8hm5F
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
1BK1@#@b [n];Wx 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~F8H1L9i%v.mU0J
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
u|:hat\ 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
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srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦&Dzm.qNR
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
M%})k"`O^DI 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
.}gV4_IJG 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書j x#` @;WP0e!L[{
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層0PX.xT,Ll3DN.k
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:I7d l'[J&oziy_(It.i@
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
4| k4tM!{vd 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
P9` Nsk#B p2brJ 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???8c ZbA3} i!fBF
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]`I0D\8U p
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得#~ _O!UR R/a
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁W T-r'M)e P&J^ S
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
l'o/RK1yagN3y 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高s(Nvt:K.`sKj
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
N6r9aZ?hb 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的-{QgCy,n
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平*v4] R(y,@*T7A
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:$\ S6i@5B6L

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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]\7Y7`E"p1~ \2O)k
咁又係~~
c^JyC2a 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:Qh%M}gX:l
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
$M0Ipgr1{|c 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星-y^6H2inyum&e2E
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙d{.Kx$n7v A
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書?^ c1N}
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
/p-w!Cnb)TA hk 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]%Iq8j)AWt
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用運動是很好的例子:D)lx+TA du#F
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.wlUG H+E R.km%E!m
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
(e5_0Qu} mr&~ 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..;i(R'}H } ] Tws

;GV ~8M:wZ 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
5G"aqwa3m gh 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...)YvS#HfU%V

7P$mf]:p3B Vj 這題目矛盾的地方是:\!r],S6d&L,M
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
^{0P2aA$S,a 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
ph3Q9Yr Z 這題目矛盾的地方是:
*`"ld|*a w6[GzI.T 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
?'h'u%l5Z]u&@I 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]#^3Z ZSNr5[&Lc'B
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
Q Z-H,_^%YV M 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層4Y `2{$Z*rk AV
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層&~xA'L0m+^Ei d~
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:E8g.b:LWT,J

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*^? A-aJbKef| 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野hG/W)w!r2r4Ddu@
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
Ut#}`Phi/~]` [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
/n7^LN\k [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]!J qF#K'][]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
a^spG$} but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
m#oigS0Zs If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it. _*k6IwxXDG
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童 Ocpl:Sz-fQ_]
睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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9vvF-i2j |E 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人:@ En T7Km
一日付出 24 小時去溫
\-y2tE$Q'N 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:N)n8Pc'z0i
聰明重要
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everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.w7d%y w8D!Wk
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No(]fC]fL2?$hyN.y
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? Noa*h0]1O:`4e
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed _!Wc1T }J*d%`&n
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力 J1[:H8jq ]\8B
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
-C%~V,cBG;RF People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life'U)EbV'ZGX0{
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:Yf-xu8Eh6?"U
只要有天份就唔需要努力? NoEWq|"s^
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:a.@O0Y4wu&[~
只要有天份就唔需要努力? NoU:I B ko(u;X,vp
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
u+yF"q bzP 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
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你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次vr,['N6}ge.h
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
t/Y6a0Ae I&fE 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在 |9n$b(J2Fkl+XB2| [
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理Q4iM']?x5s
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U^E2j$Nn%x-[ 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。*z7G g lc@UKWm5JT
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 g4eT(eW

&Kou"G9N'x+VP nv'`&n 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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9f0BSYdP 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻1[NnmX4o Ey6[&C}
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現*|)M7W\kK3u c
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱/dyV]BE
去左邊?
tK6GJ#c&r 當年聯既沙柏
3H%hI @:h;fz 係最佳年輕球員
,LX-W0JT/{i^!O 之後又點呢?
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h#h ^a-|$~ 小弟想講既係!X V/MtNv1{$q(e s
有天份但係冇好運Q\,p+^J
都係死...... ]E"O.p%?(RgK
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點9w{.a(A\0M,v
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
&[#h.K'\:f*A#xT-V 而且/WLzm'A
其實好多時 s6jw*I{+~IKa
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才?Uo?]3G `\
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人/Uo[7D:j9z0y
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:M3f&}|C-w
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:/\dB0vZ!h8}&p:}
well, Lee Sharpe?
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9TR1[ f#o2f then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....;k)V$p%W$uos g
right?! [/quote]
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
M7Y}Iz r~2yx 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]` rF-Mp-X{

(hN m*c5`*v k [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
-w['ZsQ4y 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街x)^ MH.~ @
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]R~ X3j.njo,[

']B&k$^|9a [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
:Kq-| U6P%eIB5^ 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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