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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力DUSr&n
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:
5ZG!j4t5@Y%i A j 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是/?&[+s.i\q @$O[(^
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:#i[w/JrEz v4`
你覺得邊樣重要?7g9fics2u ` E?Y"G
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,\ ?lL&B_
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?O2E%X H\&?\4x(nw
有無成功/失敗既例子?:^ K mERO3\
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~"s+`X`[0D:P9`
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
/w4D }V(vs'j 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
a k$J/k @O\ScT1~m 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~nx7WB`]2[4R1N
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~ w Tm9q&D;UeO
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
g\r(cW%Y5P0wl 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
1d4D1Yde:VK3[ 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
A8n!mR{ jSqR;aH 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
6QJS1W"{:\+XK 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
B.oK o H'v0U 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
Tqp!M}6t I1a 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層f*TR:\[d&L4_
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:)p,Y!U T0w |o
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]n7q%m6b'P\]
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
a"zf6R!N&y 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:W%i[ p1R&CI@(A'w

9RW5h^1pUS S^ 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
7d'oVN I 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]U,q| u#m9i$q [8J-H

v%D;?7Y;~k 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
}&N)jT q"sk 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁#l7Zbd_1|6]-Wc]
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低 Y*zHWC D8Z
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高 l.s0IG-y ck
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
#E"Ks Y][)eU 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
3JI+z I4f+I z~ 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平:Bl?7X'op6e
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]/x0O"o4jtS:Y,{y
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@e/@%N/| 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
R"Kah\:w4\ _@,f6c 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
;^.H5F3rVDDIX3@ 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
#Tq+g|r Z 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
$EPw9p;GCP 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書9\2Y_k+`|f{i
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層._vV$R{4N5T#\
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:Db\ aEv
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.T2q&u \P:T]H6TJ
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,^Ds-YK
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..%N+X.h@.J\6} ]
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
3ZK?#s*@9Z 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
0QS w3AftR 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
~P-Cv'WA 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
-L9c-mM!s|7a:tD4` 這題目矛盾的地方是:
B5Ros` Zk5z!g} 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
/k\ Y;q#X F1s9uk0o 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]ce3zho Cn8`1r5V I

c5z jIhHw 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野,@'_m-cO
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
*[ PP_ ?nO(O 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層Z*k:]6Pz%p9k(G t n U
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM: o7u(Vu.B3Oz's$V

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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野'[ y FLN(\H
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color][ ]:c(]2[ Sq/e2xs
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote] CS(q+d%]

%j^)CyfQp L [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], ov+H].H"y"B&Q
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]U9?,tU.~;iI v
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.`%D y}}4B+X
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.Z`.J|2AX m'z
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
,Ej4gv?tYq4t em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要.@I`a+kR
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睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人'S?iQDB
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:;E"K)TE:J:Fa2u
聰明重要
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
'\0l6Y;m#H sLC:z.w everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.)If-` ?WyF/y2w0S%T
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No)G GUK$b,e Wi'f
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
| M~pZ It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
yl m%l(oQz3|b7J People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力[,c,QA(nOB&|
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力q/RN S{J0C
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
iwg nnj"a*O _ 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52: K4J;^*y3d T2f+Zb
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
"TTBf/m1x 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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eoEZ]cJ I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:1v+Y4I6nn Ox
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
`1@(n#Pw 只要肯 ... [/quote] ?7S'_Ni}K+u]R eK
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
K ?k,tDO-F 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行ZDEgt8@2KjX
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
mDGCa'D 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
wl/t0\;H3H i^U 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
_2B,|!a]:|4S/vP p3r 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
jvPyN]1TZ 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理b.E?.f%gTV
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*@s5bx7b0oi"gVv 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。O.tk }ma3Kj*R

jN5D9]bN4Kq`K 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 (As9j:KM

7t}/rLo5g+zy 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?1fD%b H9t%\5py

kh{&H(F { x1I 書解:
m!r z6\!ev @ 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
'E!o+PU#E7V(t 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現q R7A~Hb8KUU
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱`!J3m.C7V0n+f"bMD
去左邊?
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e M7pYK'CF%] 係最佳年輕球員
8y.y8X*j;q z 之後又點呢?FDv^$YI
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小弟想講既係
mo9Q9CVy 有天份但係冇好運!z!i#O H7R
都係死......
T0W*^7h}#X-I#l U 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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!n&ni-^/rKO4z)z8X 同埋
K&F1|j J` N 小弟覺得天份緊要一點8x7F[9|:l'Z
至少
*B(L,E| H_ 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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其實好多時 ni&zF!wrPNO:c
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才{kl}IQs?Qd)Z%H
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
C&I6?#f c(D 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:h7q?;k^G7D*|a
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻DW9Y-P9d7P%Z
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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Xv&mgOU0@ well, Lee Sharpe?
l!gc G P+wB He took drugs..?_GSyO;^
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....l&`g&ggw
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
Fm8r M6T$i well, Lee Sharpe?
;AX I?nZ He took drugs..w$x5YuM @!@iA(`
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
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4z JIF mQ!` 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugswD9j/]r;w.@ d
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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"V*o+EvF K R [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
m2X\^A?n{&P9tF 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]J)Jctv`j3Sy

!b vV+W/Da;w [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
9AnYM$J)Z"I6N.G 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]C,W-I_5p G
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…-Yh(Z ASr7H N@)qI'n
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:y.y1] DTm_ k$r

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