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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
;q2Q:?$Lz+W%U} 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:
w:pH)J,R:^ 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
EH$dr%T'I.h 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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*Hw4Z{{fZ7? 希望大家討論下, 分享下:0Y I1|,hca0P$D
你覺得邊樣重要?7j[$ymN@ PYo
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
K`A5gK9q 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?RG/s4jq8J7Z
有無成功/失敗既例子?+zf5C_:s#p:a
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~"kBf#}4n0M
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~HO*rP]a!]
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
_jHb-E"V_ 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~3s7M I3_8iG ~
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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"s(G B&sL#? A 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~(M+}w s;Hu
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.= `#Dw]#R s'I
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦 W5jq^nL%X7{
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
?L#X6m Ae_r 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
7{'Ma+s ~[QD^ 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
Z(Y6z0LN!fA~l3Q 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層Q.qHgHXG8H,N
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:IS'j*C C8d4F'Y+y
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
.@ d"WY| Np 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
'yO6@hr as0f 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
7j7CU;GHz*F 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得V NR9U%U;q
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁W;Y/U)vZ-I
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低b+DTR(z2V0N_
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
&L5E_Rn%Z t 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高A ZKp(Er!Y
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
n-fDZ1\7VXZ%J 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平.xM&x)[ L6h0xwy+m

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:3u j(]M[(D\Y w

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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
3nDk/lVC;E"x 咁又係~~
O0y!C:n$[+p 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:9q/z"WX)Q2S]
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
r!vK\n Y7cUJ&e$];R 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
-xG CShK3T'bv 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
;s5wh a,s!@!H 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書 q QM9BX p}
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
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's^;v:}8a l-M;SKy 用運動是很好的例子:D
Wj-s)lHYe:]1I 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.@\Hsp,{x
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,E8E[*t#y4_4K+qo:p
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..%A Kq9} z
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
5ktaJO:tH 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...y+]+W0VK pn

0l"?'u4o\9w4Z/FY:X 這題目矛盾的地方是:;N0W{ aVg7isD'C
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
2N(J lF'ah 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
Sbm6o:@fj-R 這題目矛盾的地方是:1YvuP#M` U
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
0y;Il1QZ!@l 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote] Q hJ"BR

w^*ad)[uc 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野2XK9YF*Vg*` Q
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
;|4egBosa 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
&Nx H y@3v%EdV;[^ 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:$`eRL4pZ1V _-T+t1\i

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C+k+r;Y7M2M!g@(y 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野 MIb} @zB m7d
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]d#[email protected]c-{
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
$eqFi J*@ ~G3mv but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.1Pd @+i!B2Wh"q uw!_
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.r-y-f4y+Ph
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
'J NMg@'a _%w 聰明重要
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everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.Ivg%E,Qi'\4z'n
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
-lGq#ZY9[O 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
.j P1e.X z-uIc|4T It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
6g"I,Tg ~F,y People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
Y[%B)KW7XnL People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
0e2VG'jYW^/E People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
.nu'f.i([jy3i 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:A B Bok
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No!dEQC3q B
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:N:erA.?yh
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No't D$N7AlES5GG2k0M
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功3`fE`srz_w
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
W0P] VB@h:Ut7Q 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,(ia+uwk'V6M?:l,E7s&[
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
v(Q@-wr?QG'Ia 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍(`A6Y S6Q
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
?SN(D&B{Z2ipZh5N 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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Niv+j"U)By9iF 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 aQv/fg

's [J*]u 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 ;@ r*|$Yo2?#ns

&m\rls} 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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Qzv9N;x } W_q}Z 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻_t[|bd5KA
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
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當年聯既沙柏
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都係死......
%R2n-\vP]P 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否(`!^ }7@9H

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小弟覺得天份緊要一點I9|,Y'NB*L
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2Yl3s1PP;V 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
Kfk1o?U ]?[a 而且
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/~"KU B/n9i,O ?8MO 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
6eXpL[e 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人O6A9M)C%Z g K sf^
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
aWd(b#sX8J 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
3R$[sS+}.U@o!^ 年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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He took drugs..
9k n@*qo)gi then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....j T[qzj?2~
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
&sENw!r well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....&by U w#}
right?! [/quote] } U Q7TL
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
7D3R KO n+}R 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]#^eD4C}5Q@[nv

;@v!f8{LB-mB ~ [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..Yi Hg*A2M0y0?:~t
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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(O Ec;e d9LY*O2Oh*p [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街;IGUwmK,Sj0z
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]%LY KmI|#^-C
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
sf ZZnMmQKy 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:.}T8lZg"r|
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