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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
{~nYR+M W 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:Zg(Eo i:K
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是-`"W}Z&k.rQ
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?6X-z @5P.^7m
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
J}9Nk-Fy6n 你覺得邊樣重要?M/F;L5`0[1l
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
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有無成功/失敗既例子?mQ9by?E Q
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?+E0DPGw~1e4u

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s:S0ZJ(W 希望大家俾心機答:D.C}2q"R1lyF8u
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~)t9u @8[!c]T%H
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~"fF(y$D/m
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~`4D?,M]7i ^x
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
%llQD)}#r 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~ |P'L)q(L&Q_)S;FU7P
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
2J.? yM#pq 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
%KA1|LH \ 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦.D$`:g.oN{-o&_ ]d
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個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙V*VJ%cQW
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
%s4Xzb;__"O9k u7y 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
@n/M9[$`3tA 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:D4hgA5cy
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]Q"?v;R6Q J"K)U
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???!Q"N`)XR)LA
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
-O7u-V v,Ly2lu?:g 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]X-?I z8T7`d

nR+W,b$sV/|C 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得&Ln(p-A-v A_Sb F
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
-k4JjC{&k 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
J%lX Xv.P9v)}Yn 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高aZ.N UWX0@'e2X
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
q+P-wfPV)R/a^ 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
8P6\3BJ r 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:/ili F2c+HgQ
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qR-L,v4Z$a8y 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
^rle3t.V)R#\ 咁又係~~
^5lz&W0{,^0B[ 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:AZv\ J&uYG|
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦'RzBB4Q*@$F U'ip
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
g_}(Q(Ae KfI 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
MH Pfk 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書$u/[Y&WT:V
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
`.{6y V}+P%C j 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.b'n'V \(y ` IN!u
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
5v%kEV8r^ 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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5E,H`;A hO [%I 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力rP0pt"D0_ sA+Dd
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書..."ZSfnX)iD!W!NK
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
Uq2gbzrcn\ 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力$E#F jilNy'K
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:,S$fS1@1h;ITd
這題目矛盾的地方是:Xh&u Xil
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
5`r[ ~ X+oo6Z 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]}KU2N9A
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野6}Hx?:f9Kou
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層ye;t'q6R![
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
0S^I2`1zW^ 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:Mu$x X9Uy@,F5U
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yIy(Zpi\ S 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
[B3\3Xo`6Z3Qt5C [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
H1fet3f'r+S [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], 7[^`0zb)f(B9V,e
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]I Pe`/{W|1o5j(H
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.8c a0Z)M2^m
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.Uk$]5m L f_
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.Pb/c2qD4s@&\1P
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要,D,M8e7Uv7Y|b]
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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1c c-kRG$h [7q 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
T8r[pNLx6W#E0b 聰明重要
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everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.]_9X ^j6nx5?@_+U
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No4j"]-RL;rl'S8m{?7o
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No.W ]"l}i$P2@6UQW
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
2]"}XA[/@ A People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
3IcLXXg {$[a zW People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
!rIlF2Xu People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the lifewRXtj0u P
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:WhQ/a!S4`"XP
只要有天份就唔需要努力? Noe l}5q3x)@!Iz.v T#p
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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'KW;RpinY;@ I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
'G2Z |4Hf:vY,qVY 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
![5y0[Rbh%_w$@?` 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功:yQzc7? d~4d/i?a
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
m"se-{-?,dB4Z;q$H 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,LmQ"^)i"q
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次z-m%r{y2c}S-T*Q
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
1E"dw[@ }8p 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在-\L7h Z oPd|;s~
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。7Q}6? v+F9dT

'e@5E%ZV ~ 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 'Fo TZl6PKgX V

2q:exo!h-r 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?RT.oR0v+~4gd?c

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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
)k'~_&pf 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
_ DmhJIz3q@` 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
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有天份但係冇好運~/t3G3xd?B1N[
都係死......
`kt-zPm+PL uz 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點6MH-[ N4sk,S
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
hwZ,d-C"r 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
5e'|c'B&qm!r {V 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:*hg c'ciojsl
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年中會有唔少 ... [/quote] wl7Q(d1w

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He took drugs..
_`3lY_6F then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
j;u-{b&Q!?3Y1?eb right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
*c3?"NFc ~3VMzZ well, Lee Sharpe? zbh+F$_I
He took drugs..bu&Vy:X [K$n
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....{8TOpB3GNU;D4t
right?! [/quote]
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
W9p+f9a M-H 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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T%} q4i/l [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
7P M(Cr7IWJ\OR;G!_ 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]C-vt[m DJx:S
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街y*W$e.C]"q0q,Y
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…1gK3YW$l)\,\\
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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