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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ Y' |- }0 ~  [  V! m) F- P
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
* m. ~. a+ a* x* vI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
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: H1 u& N. n& w美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界7 O5 A  i7 B- r

! S8 k4 i' T; H9 K  I& C. Jmortgage loan
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+ s, a6 O. I( E6 o  f% V>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)& k- p3 U, Z' b
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)0 r9 E0 {) s" U! C
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.8 t4 i0 B4 M9 e2 v$ d# G- F
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,7 o7 q& b) j( ~# `! P- A
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
' r- w% o7 ^6 T4 D6 j7 Ymain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
( r8 ^6 h2 H1 p: j: S' c1 Nin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
, U  @" Z3 u# t2 _" a. R! ?Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.# Q$ z- h* H) \
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,$ Q- A" P% S6 ]& y" Q2 s
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
$ z" X% p, m, s$ reg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 8 c. K* A: r6 o- H; I& Q% v
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.* q9 a9 r; O7 ?) }3 R( X6 N
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
/ R/ u! w* ^) _* Y# Z4 Z3 `' CFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
9 E& b9 E& s) A6 r3 JA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
7 _  \7 f" o0 S- Y' q7 YThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
: f& E: c! p: |3 I) Xbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.1 ^' [, T0 O, ^7 k

5 h8 W/ T8 n2 Y# Y% I[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 Y0 o- e4 G5 m- t
Refer to last example,
# }, x2 y" W3 e( g' Ithat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 4 s0 ?8 y; y% f& v$ B9 ^9 ~, C
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand : ~+ P# _/ t6 @8 O4 _
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
* K1 o% J, J8 F7 \# _so does it mean if E failed to pay D, " G" c, X7 i" j0 q$ z- Y+ @& o
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?8 ]1 j. X7 m1 e, N( f- \* R6 D5 Z

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 5 R/ c& `/ U1 {( `- K4 B  d# i% T
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
( u/ ]: x. y. p0 z4 jit's the problem of the debt itself.* h" Q( O/ |  R9 m' _- s  M
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& |! @6 e" o6 t7 b. I/ @6 I小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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( K7 z4 ?; g/ S5 h$ R2 V無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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( I% R  A7 w- n0 ?. X) w! T敬請各師兄解答! M) W# r$ c7 J: m# P

( h# X8 r6 L& ~. iThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  * e# O6 i8 z5 m/ Z
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic$ p2 F+ _2 q; o# N
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產2 }* d3 V3 ~# i7 j
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
: N; t( d4 ]2 R& k( I於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
' |% n, ^2 m, x# c& |- z個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦' \. t  G8 I+ H9 G8 n+ y! k/ h* S
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
) {7 ^9 B5 b9 i0 U+ z  I. T計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺# ^# b3 o1 d3 w9 f6 L+ Y6 I) v
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法9 \: ]  p* u5 G& r) W# a( o9 u
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得0 ?9 w9 M1 R' x) N/ _! v* P
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
4 ^5 f9 a( @" _/ u: v例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, / S0 u: M( m7 E( P- G$ ~: l
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%* H- y( s/ u# V; t
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁  Y& l( D, Q3 |8 q

/ N3 E  l! Y" b; T9 e+ p5 u  d你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
$ J" u8 H, g0 L; V但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, + t8 A& b1 {% v5 b
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 w' a) @9 v6 ?( M8 z
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行$ Z% B( P4 t8 ?+ b( L8 m
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
) z$ z& u; O1 U0 ^5 w( E呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行1 |% u' l% d& G  ^" r3 F5 |
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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/ D6 Z$ F- r+ ]4 L+ |正係咁樣) V1 P% M0 G& J2 }
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業8 V9 R# V2 g( z- D
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢3 `% y  W/ e% v! }+ ~3 i

. P9 O0 |: O+ e0 k再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
, u" k' g- I* C/ a$ f連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
- c3 {! t, M- m8 t一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
5 g/ @7 r( |9 Q1 T$ Z編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( b$ s0 ~; a& q, R# X
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
+ S2 C1 V9 A+ o7 b因為以前未生產, 先消費8 O- R! n0 Z( L4 W" s
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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