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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 q) D7 V& z- B, d- i3 X4 C6 G
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???) |# }( O& P2 h
I was so confused.....
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so銀行可以不斷放款
; W' T# k/ @0 g美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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* e7 O1 \0 Y& ]mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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- [' m$ [% R1 C- k) {( s>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.- u2 M6 Z' ?3 ]( q, ~! q
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
0 R, S# ~# u% _9 j8 omore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.+ r! Z# G5 y% ?3 C6 D/ h
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
( m$ D2 j- H5 C, Qin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
0 g; a4 V0 ?) r2 }( Z2 \0 |" mAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.* i  M8 R2 ]. e0 b7 P6 a4 |
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
8 u7 H& C4 {7 u) K9 S$ `8 Snormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
, r" X* H8 W7 n8 a# P5 Weg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. . x) |' z( I, V1 G, r
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.% C& e( ]0 G; \

- f. J- F; Z: e# W( m( O2 wim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
- S# x; D$ f1 zin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.; i" S) E  u* b
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
% i; k9 L0 P7 V" p- x; H6 ZA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.% B% }" [: `  N( w) K- b  N
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
( r! ~- t2 J- T4 @" Jbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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0 m! h2 g4 N4 ^1 t) Y1 W[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: |, Y3 \5 C' k7 FRefer to last example,5 Y0 ^* O" b6 {+ \9 G/ g0 J
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
* a" O7 w; L; a/ xBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
7 X6 m" Z& ]6 \3 w$ C% Ntherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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: b! v$ B3 ]) W6 u: U4 b  x- l$ gA->B->C->D->E4 F0 A1 t* ?9 a& A3 ]- ]
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, + `. @; G) Z  }
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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3 y: l$ M. G, B- t$ J/ {" q0 d5 u: kthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
2 L0 s0 |& P* gin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 0 C9 }" I3 P2 x7 v
it's the problem of the debt itself.$ D3 ?9 W. M1 v/ W8 J
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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5 u( y) F4 w! M6 S( i* |+ t) ~全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?6 A# Z. t: J! M' ~) J$ P( a
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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( v! Y* ?9 p- |- w: m敬請各師兄解答  V! a0 Q# u2 \3 ]8 W' b- l- G% n

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$ q. i2 y6 i' W$ v那些根本係 紙上財富    |. Q0 y, ]# G( D# _0 D6 E
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic# W, @. d0 I' I" n
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產5 T# j# G9 R4 B; F, {( o
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
1 F, g% u* k+ p! v& C0 f於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊# ?4 C# @0 |, B3 w: y1 B# }+ f- O, G
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦5 k9 C: g, |1 @2 h4 i: l3 f$ p
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,0 `+ u. j, W- Y' e
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺4 z; f$ S% E) D0 j. d
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
+ `' `+ G! U( X% _& ?7 M# i6 I同埋個市場既前境要係好先得# t1 ]/ D  z! X
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺4 Q# v, [1 r# v- p
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
3 ^. A4 I5 Y4 B: M, Z咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%) ~( u- V$ u* a! I8 M  A
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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1 A  |9 O3 Z; b" x" I% V6 r6 G4 `你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 4 ?; L  r2 {& U/ J$ c
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 C$ H$ u2 t# j淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, & _6 p* v1 i  \$ Q6 ]3 }
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% a: f1 H7 P8 E7 ?: f' b
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 }4 H( c: _- R  I) {! g唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, - q4 q: a# \% F- n3 u
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, % B( @) L. y# A
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行: x! G* w/ {. [+ g9 \# W& a
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
3 y/ f- ^8 {1 F' w其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業6 T+ j+ p) K+ [; G8 z
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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0 U; [$ `* v3 [" t' j* z/ ]1 L* p4 |再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,( Q1 r7 M8 T2 w& m7 k1 N9 a
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
7 x' P# s; H1 M; h7 `" X% R$ m+ W一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
% A0 X+ I1 A$ M編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( k, b( ]( @2 q2 j咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
$ S) l5 P$ G: W, z% I因為以前未生產, 先消費& `: [$ K- t! N; X$ }% p
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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