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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: Y  c+ v8 D3 ?$ F4 C5 vWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???; V; Y6 }/ z$ }* r5 Z- [* A
I was so confused.....
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$ a. M- B- L8 b+ ?講到尾都係賺錢/ \+ D; }7 C1 r$ X5 Z
so銀行可以不斷放款  R# I  [2 F0 N- m
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan 9 |1 L9 D% _5 e& z/ `& Q, `" ^0 k
>conduit( ^0 P' O8 p% W; C# l/ D6 D& B( Y
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)$ o& c# u! x& q, D* c
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
- a& }/ h  S' {5 z0 H% a: d) rCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
& D# p; z* }; x: E/ l3 gmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.% I# C7 z1 S: b
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
, b/ y7 W( r& \) @+ fin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
2 E# W" O- _* O+ i9 {' U: jAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.6 U/ b3 v4 n" c  V" c- [. E. _
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,1 Z" A" k. H& z6 v8 a. V' n% n
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
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+ o% X  H7 D' O( m7 Q; wbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.% [' s$ v; R% H( l' G
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.9 H7 x, _& j: `/ g" v( R
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
& [6 r# L- x" WFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
/ f; |7 \% B0 {  ^: BA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction./ i; N1 U: g% ?
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
/ {( C, ^7 J5 P) u% d/ x  B: vbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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0 C( D" U! j8 ^$ S) x8 C4 w8 p[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ c# N) o/ K9 t1 O8 sRefer to last example,
6 L# V' i. w: a, E5 B5 I& m. W* `that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
- y$ m) x1 b8 v1 i1 z3 W' SBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
  D/ x/ M+ u7 v1 {8 a% K2 Rtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E1 w8 N' t1 v/ j6 u0 p, D
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,   g7 }. `8 {$ E1 i* f  B+ Z
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 9 u  m5 H5 ]4 l
it's the problem of the debt itself.8 _4 a* [3 x7 I8 Q/ y6 d
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# a% r- `4 q6 K9 E5 C) m& U  q( ]小弟一直都唔明...& h; d  z& \' ~
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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' {( k$ w7 ?! C3 V. L! K5 s無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...3 P! m2 R) k" N5 n. k+ d
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敬請各師兄解答4 d! M! i7 K6 X2 y* n" j) S5 O
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Thanks
+ {9 e' |! q! f那些根本係 紙上財富  
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with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產+ v( S+ B& J- r/ k: t$ U
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
5 b( i* s  s$ J6 ~0 P# ^% H於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊/ x4 E: R8 |/ Q. K' ~0 J+ x8 m/ b
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦4 ~' w$ g* a: w) Y& N
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,: q( F/ `5 A" w/ }+ {; N" }
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺+ ^) K5 F" Y+ ?# j6 h: b/ {: J
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
+ T, ?+ k7 {0 n& r5 p0 t同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
7 A9 Q8 M1 n- M% F3 d( p/ o但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
* R( \& o, O8 s' V1 E% y# V3 y! \例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
6 G& |$ d/ z4 U5 T  r* z1 S咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%7 Z/ @* d( F" f* O  x- F8 F* T1 D
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁/ o) I( |* X- J8 ]) S
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 5 Z6 t  t2 l8 z5 ]9 F$ y9 \. v
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
3 M! a# C% A# z淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,   _6 `9 q# g5 [
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* x: C; O4 G: C% d
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, * ^; M. X7 }* W1 m! O4 {
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
- }% O& A" i9 v咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
. w( |$ F# U* I2 P0 ]& F其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業' W  p0 h* j0 J
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢/ e0 U& m$ k" n4 R/ S
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,4 q7 k) e- G" |
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
' P1 p1 M6 J& k( K' w一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
/ E- t& x' I, b$ n: G" N編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& l+ W, j% U- X, w* `; ~
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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) W; P! ]. d& W* u/ P其實係...- L# d) C, U+ V. X  S! F
因為以前未生產, 先消費
& \, T. Q' ?" n# R7 {1 A4 m1 e# _而家就要多生產, 少消費
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