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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- Y1 z  m, c+ L/ {) ?1 C) uWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
; y  n  Y. j9 m+ ^( L. x" M+ R( GI was so confused.....
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2 R( y! W8 @4 Y( R& X: U+ v, V. E+ ^講到尾都係賺錢' U6 [% y" }/ o) a4 Z3 N" h3 Q; y
so銀行可以不斷放款$ w5 X0 {9 Q1 \& u1 ^' y( x
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界8 A+ I  h( `# |0 E% r# `
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mortgage loan 5 [* g, p  \; D, ?" G% W
>conduit
1 H# c' a: m% F>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)+ i& C  u  o: \0 x$ L+ E3 u8 I3 t
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.4 Y6 P3 a& \9 O
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,% q  E$ w2 f2 [3 I' R, W  Z- J4 T' r+ ^
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
9 |$ A) W- }: @2 j. kmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
3 k/ {( j0 f* l7 z# {+ h% oin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.8 E3 i4 C( E% C- l* N, ?
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.! W' i5 {: Q& g& O
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
8 v  R/ R; L' w# l! ?& Z* wnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
7 ^3 o" s+ m" s, P3 _eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
2 u6 d, u  Y; h  p/ @' F5 @* Kbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.* l2 Q5 }$ {( A( O" ^
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
# [8 K2 f! Z: X) l+ \( |in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.% C6 e! O9 a* t  Z# H: C
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,( {- w: t  h( @
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.$ y; p+ _. X/ t/ \- b
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ! S, ^" o6 A; T9 d6 C7 [& U4 Z
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.9 K  K- R, ~( l. y

6 y0 `( y; ^* p( L[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. V% u4 m1 N2 n) G( w6 x
Refer to last example,5 n- _. P" y# R% o) W, `
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 2 K/ A" G' I" A+ d: |8 {9 ?+ l( O0 Z
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 4 p* H. _7 h( J& s( A# [
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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4 n* t4 [8 W# YA->B->C->D->E2 Q6 F8 ^, m3 ~! B: Q
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, * D) U7 a# |6 Y
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?' m- ?6 I2 @+ ~& u

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$ c2 ^# e4 S: n5 T/ A: vthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 3 d5 D3 K" g4 K. F5 ]* E9 z7 f
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ) Z8 t# d/ l3 w" d( @0 k, ^& V
it's the problem of the debt itself.- s! g7 M. X* m4 O. X- e) y: f+ j/ s
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 v. g6 ~3 e2 F7 w" Y" ?; e8 X
小弟一直都唔明...
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1 t; k  |; w3 y$ H, p' ^' W全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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. n8 z6 i% a/ u/ x無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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9 I9 M7 d2 Q; z% ^敬請各師兄解答
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( Y% ?$ W; X/ m" n4 z$ |4 TThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ; E. p7 h2 k. [1 V* w. D
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產  H; K) K! ?0 l8 {, |. z
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高" y: {0 b, e' `. ^! S: Z0 [( n. ~7 g
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
+ Q$ ]' z* F! t* I* l9 U個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
5 P. [% `/ H$ k  i' D9 W扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
2 v9 M" f6 k6 L" F計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
- U* A% V  r+ G7 s9 U前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法0 X& Y3 G% _( Q3 t$ ^
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得" Y! @- E* T+ ~
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺( d1 }; r3 s9 S1 ^. H$ F  {* I4 x1 ?
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ; K! Q+ ~/ t0 d9 Y  T2 p9 Y2 f
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# \2 N( s% P1 q所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
1 a4 o2 N, u. {9 e+ j, k, R但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" w+ z% j' W) n; ?6 |4 d淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
5 t& `4 f  R7 `" w呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行& x+ f9 n- {2 d/ Y# U% E( r9 [( P
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. j- [0 y, L' N$ b
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
. a) o2 Q2 K) k( [0 t+ I淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
4 o: U4 U0 T  n+ s呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行: |8 Y% t5 e% S% d1 F+ v/ c9 ^$ u$ n
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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; W8 ?  B# \2 O" w2 ~正係咁樣* J# f: l- B8 _( g" d- @) U2 T) s
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
; e4 {: F: i7 d分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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1 A; v3 e) x9 h" n1 S3 O' l. w再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
. N, }  {. T4 p) l: o3 l1 W5 u連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
! x6 [$ |; G1 ]+ Z( O- n( B一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
" ?' @1 O# l& f; E6 \$ |) |, \) b編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& H' J& T2 K  I& B2 Z/ [
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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$ c  i& e, F' h其實係...
: G8 B5 t) ~1 W因為以前未生產, 先消費
1 S& X" r2 S( R而家就要多生產, 少消費
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