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作者: troublehk 時間: 2006-7-8 06:25 PM 標題: 有啖苦水...........

不吐不快,/ K% e( t8 k3 j' t% d/ @4 a
但吐0左都唔見得快...............9 E5 }2 a- ?; ~& J' k' b' J4 _

小弟行年廿七八九,
學靂一般,大專咁,9 X( q- H4 s# M. _; {
出0黎做野十年八載,9 x- t* q" y3 Z& U5 d
做0左不下三份工,
幾份工都係兩三年就冇得做,5 M+ g. T4 a* W/ B3 u6 H$ K
不是因為工作問題,7 p! o. _% ]) x! ?
而是公司要裁員,收緊開支,公司不獲續約(而令到被裁),0 l7 T/ W% ?( J V. R
基本上呢幾年都係冇加過人工,
只係轉公司自己加自己人工叫價高少少咁解.
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如果我早十幾廿年出世咪好囉..........; v1 J) y8 I, ~9 R; a) `
樓價冇咁高,幾萬蚊一個單位(計番家0下都係幾十萬)
好過家0下蚊型的單位都要過百萬........
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冇得跳point 都加得好疏爽,3 C6 @# ]$ R9 a$ X( D: B- G' m
冇話好似家0下咁,* s5 _- A' h B& d7 B6 [- y
加一兩個巴仙都要乞食咁..........
公司福利多好多,: _8 `7 r4 Q, r5 Q$ G% \
冇話呢樣減0個樣減..........

眼睇上一代(早十幾廿年出世)的人都上晒岸,
自己仲係打份牛工,
都唔知到0左七十歲見到岸未,5 i9 ]/ j) \; [/ A! l: z3 U6 ^
真係替自己辛苦...........................................8 N: `! }0 g4 l( L# y6 j* Y) O& i3 H5 U

唔通我要將我的上岸標準改為-->成功領取綜援和成功上公屋?

作者: austin666 時間: 2006-7-8 06:48 PM

大專! X+ z+ T5 a2 q0 k+ _2 ?
請問你人工多少
做咩行業呢?

作者: troublehk 時間: 2006-7-8 06:58 PM

做工程,大約一萬蚊到,( ~9 ~" ?) b5 h2 B6 r m; |
見工仲要比人壓兩0下

作者: BOYDWAN 時間: 2006-7-8 07:13 PM

troublehk，各有前因莫羨人。上一代嗰班捱到跁低你又唔知咖啫........

仲有喎，嗰段時間嘅生活水平、通脹率、物價指數同社會環境同依家都唔同，無得咁比較咖~

做人有方向、肯比心機向上爬，機會一定存在；比d恆心同信心自己，努力發奮，有可能就進修一吓啦，前途在你手呀~

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積極d、樂觀d，你仲有大把籌碼同時間咖~

作者: 自由神 時間: 2006-7-8 07:15 PM

唉！無個香港都係咁嫁啦！你都係算吧啦！0 M1 G. M6 E5 Z T. n. }3 i
努力工作好過啦！

作者: playa 時間: 2006-7-8 07:24 PM

Originally posted by troublehk at 2006-7-8 06:58 PM:1 @- V4 @5 w) r0 x) N( @/ i+ j( @
做工程,大約一萬蚊到,) R6 y% v/ h# n' X0 C3 R( _, R3 l
見工仲要比人壓兩0下

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我同你年齡差唔多,2 r7 C. K0 u7 Y
點解唔試下做 Sales ?
通常超過萬五到二萬. n, |5 M- H O; C

作者: troublehk 時間: 2006-7-8 07:29 PM

Originally posted by BOYDWAN at 2006-7-8 07:13 PM:
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當你試過好野冇你份,衰野一定有你份
你都會咁

經濟起飛之時你未出世
當經濟衰落之時,
你才出來做野,
年年都要面對裁員壓力.; v! B: X" a) H# j1 ^+ E9 ?

我阿媽點解唔0的生我?0 ^, o" v( F1 q; b7 Y+ {- f
點解政府都好似唔知咁?

作者: austin666 時間: 2006-7-8 07:37 PM

Originally posted by troublehk at 2006-7-8 06:58 PM:
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7 x4 p y5 U: F6 [# B見工仲要比人壓兩0下

你係85000的受害者
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轉工都係拉隊走果隻
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我有朋友都係做呢行& N& Q9 ` D3 R% \; m. U
人工同你差不多
但佢有兼職畫施工圖
呢度就賺不少錢0 G; v& a: F9 F

其實你都可以搵呢d兼職

作者: 極樂 時間: 2006-7-8 09:42 PM

唉~~~你點都好過我啦....4 i7 V1 p" z. M5 g! r# @
畢左業之後(岩岩果97年)做左幾份臨時工....
依家做呢份長工係第一份....! v/ I* ]+ S( n
做左三年半, 今日既薪金=出黎做一份臨時工.....1 U8 Q. l0 a% e9 ~/ d
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但係我已經升做cs supervior.....
唉~~~~~~
簡直廉價勞工.......

作者: chison74 時間: 2006-7-8 09:44 PM

我十年前讀完大專，做咗十份工，大部分唔係自己想離開，而家都唔知搵咩工好，唉......

作者: troublehk 時間: 2006-7-8 10:05 PM

Originally posted by chison74 at 2006-7-8 09:44 PM:/ R! q* R% v0 |$ i
我十年前讀完大專，做咗十份工，大部分唔係自己想離開，而家都唔知搵咩工好，唉......

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唱番首除小鳳-無奈過你聽哩?
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我本想跟你淡然退　無奈此去不易
看著我一臉茫然與眼中困惑
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有難同享,有福人當!. O! r- d1 _6 v! }0 P& ?
政府都唔多理我地呢0的人,: i" D" O. l P2 L
由得人咁剝削,
睇怕都係唔做野,
等拎綜援好過

作者: troublehk 時間: 2006-7-8 10:09 PM

Originally posted by 極樂 at 2006-7-8 09:42 PM:
' D. b2 v0 @, i; O唉~~~你點都好過我啦....! a( \# W* g( E, b r8 C
畢左業之後...

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以前升做管理層就諗有乜油水' X4 G0 z! { f. G+ o
家0下升做管理層,就多樣野做............

作者: 12d3 時間: 2006-7-8 11:32 PM

會唔會係你當初冇定立目標?
我都讀工程, 都驚好似你咁.

作者: 新經濟學巨人 時間: 2006-7-8 11:47 PM

不如學我，小弟多年前開始累積HSBC，現在9 V$ t4 H4 F0 m% G" ~$ o7 U, u
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每年有股息４５０００蚊，0 F& O- P# z) N3 [; g% n, Z

匯控每次給我的股息，我都係要股，唔要$，5 N5 N6 z8 c( J( Q% `+ _+ P
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人家笑我取碎股，don't forget，& v' }9 K6 i8 f$ o' u0 X4 m
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堆沙成塔，
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一切成果，係由耐心及恆心而成．

作者: BOYDWAN 時間: 2006-7-9 12:02 AM

Originally posted by 新經濟學巨人 at 2006-7-8 23:47:
( _; B) Z- q' m! j, R% A不如學我，小弟多年前開始累積HSBC，...

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巨人塞錢比我地駛喇~

好！我又去買HSBC先.........最低消費要幾多咖？

作者: 新經濟學巨人 時間: 2006-7-9 12:07 AM

Originally posted by BOYDWAN at 2006-7-9 12:02 AM:
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巨人塞錢比我地駛喇~
+ i* C, i/ E9 Z3 S" e) c好！我又去買HSBC先.........最低消費要幾多咖？

版主大人又笑小弟．

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如非含住金匙出生，要有計劃，建起自己堡壘，. z% t1 G d3 ?$ n* @2 o
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千萬不要信一些炒炒賣賣致富的人，/ I/ t* ?! R; Q5 s9 q# j( \3 }
緣起緣滅5 |4 I$ k9 m- I8 N0 H: x

財富的累積，係要時間，
縱使俾你一夜致富，亦非好事．

作者: BOYDWAN 時間: 2006-7-9 12:11 AM

Originally posted by 新經濟學巨人 at 2006-7-9 00:07:
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版主大人又笑小弟．
x1 }- p/ g, Q H; z0 Z( [如非含...

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唔...........

終於有紋有路喇，咁先無愧你[新經濟學巨人]個名~

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BOY +3

作者: admin 時間: 2006-7-9 12:13 AM

Originally posted by 新經濟學巨人 at 2006-7-8 11:47 PM:
) r+ Z5 O! T7 {" W不如學我，小弟多年前開始累積HSBC，...

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嘩...堆沙成塔

作者: BOYDWAN 時間: 2006-7-9 12:17 AM

Originally posted by admin at 2006-7-9 00:13:
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仲積小成多...

作者: stockman 時間: 2006-7-9 12:38 AM

troubleHK: people from different generations face different competitions.  Just about 10 years ago the Internet was commercialized, which speeds up globalizations as many industries face new competitiors they would never imagine before.  In the past accounting must be done locally, but now a US or Hong Kong firm's payroll can be handled by an outsourced firm in India.  Customer Service jobs are hit hard too - remember you used to call someone in Hong Kong locally to retrieve your message?  Very soon all those jobs were moved to China.  How about programming job?  In the dot-com era people rushed to learn IT and thought programmers make good $?  After they spent 3-4 years in school, they soon realized someone in India, China, or Eastern Europe can do as good a job as those high paying programmers in the US or Hong Kong.

So unless you work in the service industries that provide in-person service that requires immediate consumption, your job is not safe.  Jobs like chefs, barbers, retail sales, drivers can never be outsourced.  Or else, you face the same issue like most people -- you need to constantly update and upgrade your skills and watch out for competitions.  Before 97 you were good enough with only Cantonese and English skills, now you also need to know Mandarin.  In the past small accounting firms could have small business clients doing their books, now these clients may simply use packaged accounting software and these accounting firms thus lost their business.

It may sound scary to you that few few jobs are safe nowadays, but that's just the truth and you must find a way to accommodate and deal with it.  Hope this doesn't sound too sad to you.

作者: 新經濟學巨人 時間: 2006-7-9 01:00 AM

Originally posted by BOYDWAN at 2006-7-9 12:17 AM:( r p' B% q" I9 x% l0 X
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仲積小成多...

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outsourced and contract-out係大勢，5 a( L0 Q  h) N2 p. i+ @4 \

世界艱難，小第在娛樂版貼女冇數，. F; o. }, V( [' Q" t% @' h; H2 N8 m% j
N年都加唔到一分，

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現在居然要靠食老本，講經濟，先可以取得三分，4 N. i( N/ |9 R7 m
你講，世界真係幾咁艱難．．．．．

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唉．．．一世．
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近排有人講，為了解決高齡產婦問題，叫女士先生仔，後讀大學，
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男士都可以改改，先工作，儲少少本，後娶番個靚老婆，都可以架．

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有冇看過一丘和尚？

作者: BOYDWAN 時間: 2006-7-9 01:14 AM

Originally posted by stockman at 2006-7-9 00:38:* F9 x& E/ p7 s$ v
troubleHK: people from different ge...

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totally agree~

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somehow, we've got a specialty suggestion~

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wonderful opinion and that's really the main point for youth to notice that not to do something perfunctorily, thanks for your sharing~

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btw, stockman............nice name~

作者: stockman 時間: 2006-7-9 04:42 PM

1 more advice to you troublehk: if you think your (our) generation sucks, imagine the next generation:

- U-grads may not be good enough to compete in HK as probably 1 in 4 people will be u-grads.  They may need a Master's degree to get just a decent job.( e/ n5 P' Y/ N  a2 A
- They live and work in a heavyly poluted environment.  You think the air is dirty and weather is hot now?  Imagine how it'll be like in about 20 years.  Imagine you son has to put on that suit and tie to go to work everyday.
- the economic boundaries between HK and China may simply disappear.  In 20 years your children need to compete with millions of highly educated and talented China workers who are good in both English and Mandarin, who don't mind to work hard, and who probably are still willing to take a lot less $ than your children for a job opening.
- since the birth rate is so low right now in HK, you probably will only have a child.  If it's a son (and if he's a traditioinal one), he may eventually need to support you and your spouse and his wife's parents financially.  Why?  Because your daughter-in-law may also be the only child and her parents have no one left to support them after marrying your son.  Your son won't have any siblings to help him out.  Our generations may have a brother or sister to help out to support our parents when they are old, but your son has to take on this baggage all by himself.

I know just because telling you how bad the next generation will be probably can't make you feel better now.  Since you said you're about 30 and have worked for about 10 years, I just wanted to talk more reality and fantasy.  Those younger 'kids' in this forum may not understand what I'm talking about but I supposed you may for your age and experience.  I'm sure most of us here in 26FUN belong to the middfle of the pack -- not the top tier of the society but also not the very bottom one.  We all face similar problems and can't seem to find the way out.  Everyday we live just like yesterday. We can't see the future and we're just not happy.

And my advice to you is to put things in perspectives as a way to soothe yourself.  Sure you may not have a lot of money and you just hate your job.  But you must have something you're really proud of, right?  Like a good family, a nice wife, a healthy body, etc.  Look at Stephen Hawking.  I have to imagine he's very rich (not super rich but richer than a lot of people) and well known and respected around the world, yet he's stuck in that wheel chair for the rest of his life and can't even hug his wife or kiss her.  Now ask yourself would you rather be him?  Maybe Stephen sometimes just wondered if he could  just be a regular guy and works 60 hours a week, doesn't make a lot of $, and can go to a bar to yell and scream with other people while watching the World Cup?! F5 l' P2 K2 c
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You just have to believe tomorrow will be a better day!

作者: BOYDWAN 時間: 2006-7-12 06:11 PM

stockman, I admires your opinion so much, hope we can see you at the next topic~

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