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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:3 z5 ]$ G; K3 E* s
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:9 C8 ?; e+ r% M, ?1 e( o

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9 P4 C- i- n6 Z智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:
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8 O- p* R5 \/ O  W+ o% u8 e6 @but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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% J$ p) c  }* _Agree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.% F$ |% [  S) ?: [; a
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維/ |9 I& ]" P) Y$ {

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:
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7 P) [6 f' c, r7 T, l0 Z0 g諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15
3 S/ V) b4 ], P. B司馬懿：4+4+5+3=16
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姜維：2+1+1+5=98 [, Y, K) Q% [4 w! s. h8 Z
陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->- F! }0 v4 v/ O  ]! g' N/ f

7 ^( R- R! i, E! d軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維! v- w+ w  [, H* w
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮* R; Y! z& @, {5 [. L

6 b, b4 a3 F* Y" t6 g6 c! }( PThus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.4 r  m3 V1 i: r

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:6 P" M& b2 |: d
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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$ \, M; z; u* z+ o0 g) f6 H3 |他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

0 K3 q% b2 M' R! M4 X: Jyes, that's the point.