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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:
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智慧高之餘﹐又打得% `+ b7 r  R* m
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:
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9 Q9 k) Q0 u( ]  ?3 pbut i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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2 c: n7 O1 G+ \$ D. `5 uAgree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.* |' {) x  M' H# P, J
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# A4 o2 F1 m( J) Y- F# i: m1 e智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾---># s# T: m# N% |7 `3 Y: W

7 E$ m5 H1 I( p" c軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維/ `. `+ y& T6 ^0 m
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
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8 ?: Z6 b" g" b4 M" LThus 姜維 is the best. If 司馬懿 is excluded.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:
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第一五分，第五一分9 T& u/ Y' a8 z; A; @8 r: H+ U
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諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15
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鄧艾：1+2+3+4=10, }7 ^" a; |% D; E. P
姜維：2+1+1+5=9
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
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( A# l) K# N; V/ iThus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:: w. s% v" ~/ e
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:+ ^% W' T! Q1 q# y) W# x; w6 l3 g

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus" x8 O) S4 s; A* R  b: S8 S/ T
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->3 J. \3 R- p. x

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:' u$ B, I* U- k1 Z" J& I# X: g+ t4 V

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( r/ |9 Z, @% j* d/ u$ wAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:- U3 d1 [2 T5 l" ^3 g) d
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- f" i. K6 `. h他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.