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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# @" k: f& i& Z4 cWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
  W2 Q! N; Z' x( AI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
: q% r9 M6 y- S8 }5 W, X0 e- cso銀行可以不斷放款
4 |* p  h3 [- m美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界: e5 v3 c# _9 H  S5 m
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)( g- @5 ~' b& Q# w+ E! ]. K
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
- P9 t, W2 r. m, K2 x+ ?CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
) ~' s9 R2 W; F. p# omore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment., C, ^7 f* D! P6 [8 \
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,! w+ g6 O. J0 |( w! e" P
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.( C$ l  q! d: ^
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
- ]0 [( [. `7 s! Z( t+ k/ h% Qsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
" g. S+ R5 @4 q8 _+ Q8 Fnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
1 p  s" s4 g0 Q0 w) R$ n2 Weg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
4 k5 L3 u$ |" Q7 d+ Q4 s' j" C6 Lbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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' v6 p- z! e5 h' E( jim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
6 V4 P3 K$ n$ X; M0 |" g8 Cin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
; P' z, b* r- J' K! @: W" {2 DFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
9 ^1 e! N0 j, X* W/ n3 }. AA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
* ~" f/ Q* b% w: n4 b2 lThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. $ A  Z/ ~! t6 |
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.) C2 ]  Q& x# ^

' V1 [8 q7 w1 b) k[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% P4 a( {: n4 T8 R1 T9 G
Refer to last example,
! [2 c0 a" u+ Mthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A - A" X5 k$ X$ i) T' q
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 7 ~. O  x# h6 g& k$ J( U5 a6 \
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
! b" R, y" V$ K- k* Lso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
( A* V- y9 L& u( P4 d. e/ lall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?! q0 f6 N! X$ R  q# w5 B. I) n' q( j
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3 B: w$ X, D8 Q: G2 g+ Vthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
$ a' k9 _# {% z, m3 b+ V6 K& `in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
% [9 q. D8 |/ R6 m8 j* h! s5 Jit's the problem of the debt itself.
8 f: o7 h4 {8 r7 }+ jthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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6 ?  R5 Y4 I1 Q6 I+ L無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  * ]% g7 w9 c1 X; ?: N/ d
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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5 k( C& H& D8 e6 c' u! t3 Thttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
* r8 m- b) I6 W* k當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高4 L$ o% X6 s/ G2 X
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊; I1 o' d8 p; j' ^' ?
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
! E! I) ~' L) R6 _( D# x! z扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,% T$ h) s, L& T2 E
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
* J9 _1 j8 L  w4 W$ Z: J" i前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法3 I, A0 g+ I4 t1 J9 ?2 u6 S
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得3 ^' D% X' Q4 L7 o- p
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺# U+ p+ e0 ?; U' |
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
. P( E+ q  t5 B# M: g6 I0 u, v咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
7 F  K8 K4 d$ O( r( Q5 p所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
5 `, N3 y- G% j1 m" e8 l但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ( n; `1 V) ?3 ], ?) G  z' K
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
2 u" f1 m2 W0 B* E7 W6 }5 j呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行5 ]: Z+ s( @$ s
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( J6 |( H- ]( L- r$ W+ E2 r7 o! E
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
, |0 _7 ]  s1 ]淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣# i1 H( K) B. e9 @% C9 M- C7 z* ]
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業, z# h: k9 w$ B/ f* G- e  G0 d
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢4 g% v2 s# X) R  |5 i
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,; y  ^' B. D: c- a+ C$ h9 y0 W0 G
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票5 m* K  r: y0 B0 I' p
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
. t0 B) |( @* U, D編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ L& L( [# M  a& ?
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費: ?& I/ g+ v. g
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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