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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- t1 R4 ?) t3 P8 T. f
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???# y$ s/ r! P9 q9 n* `, ^
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢: ]* T/ Z& G# W
so銀行可以不斷放款
0 [: @3 H% g2 ]& B5 Z3 Y美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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% y9 J3 f9 n0 P, N7 imortgage loan - V3 Z; D4 \. X& W4 [; c
>conduit
' _' o1 T4 E0 @# X>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)9 L7 p, x% W$ {9 k, q; H
>arranger
+ ?7 A% V3 x# R3 w$ M: H& y>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)" X0 _8 |% [, r  y" r" V3 Q7 m7 m
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
! W; c+ Y4 l$ ~) T& {CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,. }8 w* s4 m! P: E. }" T( ]1 ?
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment./ ~9 t+ v4 M3 d1 k8 |0 c
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,5 n- B; x  f5 }
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
$ R/ m6 B9 }4 \# H0 OAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
8 \8 M, q9 i# Q3 i1 u1 ksimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,$ Q/ V3 t: ?, u$ r0 O
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
9 l# p- |6 f- V8 E, deg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
3 N3 X' y, T2 V- G9 Kbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
5 x5 ^) [% f9 c: [9 C  Min stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.- M7 t" l; a$ E2 B8 P
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
' f( i" l. y. w4 ~A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
( Z; g3 }/ h. y8 b/ C. J. rThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. & [6 E# G6 q6 @) j* q
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.1 |" P0 ?" f5 |, q7 W0 r
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' g# p% h8 u! V9 D+ w8 h, gRefer to last example,2 X6 ?* T2 o, H; Z) i9 K' x
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
( `- ]& @/ ?; M, r4 ^Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ; [! f$ A" S9 [6 n% ~5 ?
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E$ b  H, K2 ~2 \5 q5 j1 S; u! G, T
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
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. y0 }6 ]* v5 S4 W' cit's the problem of the debt itself.  L! x$ V4 A( M: o4 Z" S" C% }
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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, _' C. _" y; j8 T, T9 ^$ J全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?! E7 C0 g/ G: D4 N0 k

$ G3 L0 j/ O6 @5 L! q% ?; L; A無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..." ^* l% `! h# N8 n

, Z0 w0 W' `% [7 U# i敬請各師兄解答, ?+ `: P$ d, w/ v/ T

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
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with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic! V) C( ~/ z& ^  }$ M# w

; Q6 e6 Z% h1 l  d* ]6 M$ D6 }; Y4 dhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
) R) m* t! ]: y2 ]  w當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
7 `+ M% c; d! f9 o" L於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
" ^2 r% ?% }' j1 q5 z. j6 F% r個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
2 ?) ~% R4 ]! O. ~7 V. ]5 l/ f扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
; x# {% |2 t! @, o計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
. N( H  r" u$ A4 w$ G, G前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法% l/ z- P9 R: e& e$ f% \
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得: U# l; j- o* X1 \2 d. q! [
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺, b* j9 g! }6 w* m& Q* y9 ^
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
" x9 `# U# V1 g+ D9 f* J5 n5 N/ d# U咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%3 b+ j$ e9 A: q. V6 O' J9 m5 `7 U
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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7 p) d1 l7 F2 }- ]6 L# |你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
. V8 _2 r' X5 i7 @1 f3 D& P但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
' f4 v3 ~) W! `1 d; a0 [淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
4 B& o; q; i# b% B9 k" J呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. }6 S, ^3 h( m: m* w
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ) W& A2 s0 b$ B/ g. [5 v! v
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ( k5 `. M: t7 _: S) U+ v
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行1 v/ M- k7 d  k( K
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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) s. `+ \* c* E5 k' u3 B正係咁樣; C, r0 w" \& Q  h) u
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
6 T8 m/ d$ U2 ?$ r$ o* H4 G8 d分分鐘佢地唔使還錢% i" D5 y8 e# q& B2 Q3 Y/ a: i

  h8 x1 \0 B# R4 u1 i' f: z再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
5 C! P( r0 T; M0 j連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
+ h, |9 q7 g0 [- i9 `" p一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
" N: q- ^' _% N編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* ?. Y, Y/ G3 i# S咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
7 H; i! C: K5 [, R因為以前未生產, 先消費$ Q% L" r; e3 g2 F( X* S
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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