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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& g5 d  L, `# N4 D4 @" A; T! C
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???6 y- _2 R2 _! z: U
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢% k8 `( k8 W0 T% f/ R, o* Q7 Z
so銀行可以不斷放款
& ]8 z/ e! y4 k* p6 [; {美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界0 Y6 w6 l3 N. O, P2 ^& M

$ h, h) b& z, n8 z. w( m2 wmortgage loan
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+ _+ C) k/ Z# m8 _>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.8 ^2 y  F# b( E9 R6 X% W
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
  ]# e' U$ l; k" Vmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
# |# i8 T, @  Z- h3 B, ~main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,  D/ U7 n; t9 Z  l1 k# D8 j$ E7 z
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
7 h8 ^( H3 F) ~2 LAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
4 A' e5 \. T  p, E& t2 Z3 j4 d$ Nsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,5 ?: G" n6 E+ `( p: f
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.   P6 b  ?1 w* x& A, c& h
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
3 y! ~# |* f2 F$ j# ~. Pbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.8 [( B; \; E% h

% m% x! [( x- o; W* Nim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.6 e: f6 }, p. }" r+ w
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
  s/ ?* L- u; k* _For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
6 p$ a$ S8 X: [: U% nA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
5 l/ s( d7 b; C+ H8 r3 CThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
  {3 I; F0 I" A( z: o" j& O+ jbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ D; o  y) P' _) i; h1 a, cRefer to last example,
. t5 [- \9 B9 C- N* fthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
0 b2 @; X% `& v" {' k+ v# qBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
7 K6 R8 ^3 ]( p& Htherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
- O3 O! G! j( q: L& s* ~; y* Oso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
+ r" U' r) f, m; ~all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
4 T( D  _. v  ]9 c( ~5 ~in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
  S& j! H' r' U: D) @it's the problem of the debt itself.0 ?5 I( p% s# B/ G. [+ ~
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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0 O: s' p" y) ]) n# k" f" w全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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8 M0 h# w3 v" a. J% t* {無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..." W5 ~9 i5 ?/ D9 O

8 W/ M' x' d2 S" x; J5 s6 [敬請各師兄解答
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) t) u! A$ R' ^& x/ b6 ]Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
8 u3 o# M( ?6 q各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
4 m( v7 {5 i4 t1 o# M當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
9 s- E# r$ N" h2 ]於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊9 b4 ~) l+ [# F
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
! [8 B0 l" d( _& J: o  t4 K6 P扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
" }& x9 x( s3 z9 u7 L, a: e+ M計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
) [  O3 S+ y0 J; v/ i前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法8 |- J0 {$ y6 Y# Z" X
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得! I8 o7 N1 N; i& w" s% l* c
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
8 p) ]" }+ p4 I' m* c- ^3 ~- \5 J例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, % h, n" X2 U  u
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
6 x) R2 g0 I9 Q所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁! Z  N1 Q4 C# D$ y! H; ?
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 6 s$ R/ M: W& d. p" @- z6 g& H5 X6 J5 V
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
, }7 Z0 J: n. N淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : ~; }3 r1 G4 g: c( @: U. R  q/ q
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% ]* |4 \1 Q, \9 B8 e& e; k( F
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ m/ L2 e8 e6 t) x) W; Y/ w唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 0 s! u: o4 ?0 ~' b: w, z
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, # o* w  ^3 w) T& K
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
$ y  \1 l8 X4 W+ x( r' ~咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣% R* y" ]- t  f9 l% t( }. I4 v
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
& J9 ~' N/ x( E' o8 I+ u. b9 U" G連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票# N- K* [7 |4 A* z
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產4 u  X3 n# m  a. K0 j) q
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. y) @# ?) W. t咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
6 x" t  V7 Z# l* w因為以前未生產, 先消費) p3 |" s4 [4 Z, K% m! X7 e
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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