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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; O3 R  x$ v9 m- T7 _
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
, m5 |  r: n" s5 A$ C0 g2 uI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
% |& e* k4 [  S; nso銀行可以不斷放款+ H1 M, n) a7 A( L
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界& a, m. w7 f% c
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)2 N2 @$ S, N, a- }4 r1 F3 u
>arranger
  j- B# ]- @1 q; Q$ r. Z, I>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)& k- c0 [8 p" ?# o" f4 D
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
! {: n- {0 s  d4 ]2 _: d. N5 mCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
2 u- A6 C. ~) R1 v4 @/ Rmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.& ^; p2 Z8 G1 O, U
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,& f- W0 x2 i+ D$ e" J' z2 f3 F
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities./ m2 _5 d1 ~1 u. W. W6 z
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.6 ^7 Y6 v  c% ~+ V
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,  X1 k9 o; O0 \/ R! |! Q: w
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. % X4 w4 h+ `' Y& V: h7 j
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
; q$ ?( F7 g% B* sbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.; V3 W" {  j# k* L/ z! S& H
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.# V" Y) O; `. l( i
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
. B3 c, P+ g$ JA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
5 }9 ], K7 ^' V; `The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
6 c: e5 }2 |9 @but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 P7 J( P: x5 G, Q/ [
Refer to last example,/ _& B3 ~( Q6 P% M/ T( i& {
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A   F# M" d4 m' O5 Q- S5 b
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 3 I4 o/ w6 O, x2 O
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
/ U5 c; C# i) u9 L3 |  [) }  qso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
$ V/ M6 ^( w2 H6 _all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, $ m9 h5 V/ C8 x* q% P: o; n
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, + g% K9 k4 T& _& X% ~
it's the problem of the debt itself.
% W6 a$ A5 E) N" [" d- @; Ythe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; z4 m2 m* t# o! n" y" Z, J
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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; c- v' Z, |$ C3 b4 ]無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...7 y+ d  X* p2 G, _! g: h' ~% B; L
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敬請各師兄解答; |7 y' f2 i1 P) q, [
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Thanks
& `" b! x1 s1 M/ E那些根本係 紙上財富  , J! J8 b% |/ c1 P- ?
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic2 b3 a" r9 Q) z& w; X9 P
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
* U* F' \  ~/ ^. T# a1 p當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
7 f7 Q1 e+ G' M於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
6 q1 O$ J& d" f- n8 X個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
  _1 Z% H$ V4 ^- d4 b扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,3 H+ l& M, h% o8 u; n3 J
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
# Y% o0 Z" r9 f% n+ }前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
! U( H9 j. s: H( \5 e同埋個市場既前境要係好先得* J: j' H4 ]% Z6 P% H! D
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
6 w5 k+ N9 r- Z! O2 H! l) [例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
4 }8 A/ v% S5 C8 ]& A; f咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
5 ]$ H9 q  N) j: C: [3 t! L所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
* H" A6 V5 I) U2 h6 f" N: d5 y但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, V5 g+ A* V% y" m# h" C
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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3 V# P) R. O  \! C( a- R' P呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
: T) N" G' V" ?" q+ Q咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣$ Y$ P1 ?$ P1 ]% a
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業7 e5 ?. h5 B# x4 I7 @
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢! v0 n5 ]! |9 _1 h: G
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
+ h9 h3 Y0 T; X& h( j2 D連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票) o2 y% j! D2 q/ u2 Z8 ^3 _
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產9 ~% K2 M: n+ F
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* J: C+ S& e! o+ y: t
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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/ Q# N! T  V# W其實係...
7 ~# q- Q! i) k7 q( a" u* n& E1 {因為以前未生產, 先消費5 ?0 `) h4 A- h! F! b
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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