Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 u( c! `$ }4 p我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 O- a9 i/ g2 [; b* o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& o+ J0 Q  ^2 a- L# F
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% b' {2 L" J6 ?9 Z3 @+ G
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- K' D/ f4 H3 m+ S
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... D. s& F4 B5 v( l6 _* j; ]3 E) x
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- ]! C" z& v. y7 Y: e" a7 n% z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* P5 {# H/ L- _2 {我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 t. W8 d9 ?0 J  D! F! W
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
& ]* ~' B1 L0 i8 g8 l: m/ C以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* r( o5 O$ Z* D: u$ n在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...5 y) _8 @; ?' ~) Z  M  {' \
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
* [0 A" N% ]! c# ?! n. E建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. M1 `( ?. t9 ~9 P7 A1 aWhat a statement we have here?" d& H+ U/ `& b4 @

: |6 b% Y1 U. y; wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 B5 }& Z( f. |7 F0 Z

' f8 d+ n1 |: x6 W$ vI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% F; P: G+ j# z$ o# E9 p8 C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ |7 F" Q- E7 q! z( O"不信也沒損失"
+ ^8 O; d- z% l, YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 @7 c' e% s$ J1 \but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......! J: a4 x! B; d: u3 ~7 K0 g9 I

6 S9 b( m  D0 j' ]' ^0 B9 mit's starting because we have sins......5 C# _4 \) n! O0 K* ]( S
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 f5 |2 v$ J1 v# Aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
( d) \2 J% s- O4 ^只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 R6 w5 n  C" g# e. \用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,2 f5 B9 y4 y9 I4 D
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 ]8 u% n  M; ]$ s( ]) X- K# @) q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 i9 |# t! w7 x1 i0 J  g- G5 d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 l0 A& n4 A- s5 \7 E* H  z4 Y
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* r( p* U/ v; I& F2 l& b3 x3 F好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
3 z0 O/ q# P4 ?+ [- S, }改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# N& k8 o4 b3 \美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具! Z+ `& H, P5 ~( L5 Q, C2 Q
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ j, n7 A( n6 e2 O. K
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! {! }& ]! e( h$ W# ~" B: }% ]! e" t
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* y$ g  j$ I! ~5 ^

0 [! n. A5 ~! h; ~4 ?信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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5 I" ~# o5 V. u$ C' x  R  o% t$ I. y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* R/ Y0 b! {  F# e8 c9 D7 L- I1 Q

& Q. e; ~6 b; O8 j; T我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:& _6 V) o% X: w$ M# l" r( e$ ]# v
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....- m3 Q1 d) J3 e: o% ^0 i* v# z7 G( w
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' |# ?& Q1 O. ]2 I( e" \
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.