Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
0 H! M4 D% z! y: U我係一個連自己都吳信的人
/ G  K/ [4 l5 r; l6 q4 |0 ~又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢, [% Y: F: L+ b0 n4 O8 @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% u+ F2 C* D2 x( C呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, N5 J% ^+ F; x+ T6 C2 D

; S9 b! e; h" I" ANobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; d# _/ J2 v; Q7 P- J: e
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge..... d2 g2 r0 _& h& L! ?8 y) P
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....3 @6 C: u  A& b: r- i4 m8 r: u
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話0 G7 S- a/ }* G' m5 p
因為我是情感比理性強的人! A; u( l/ U. ?2 M3 l
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% h2 ^. y1 x) b, S% l  b6 L* r, R
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ [' m7 R, @" k& n0 E
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ [- J% d0 b$ m# n- y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% l& c& K3 l2 ^5 Z- g7 ?
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 g7 A% e* x' g1 ~2 uWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; h+ f  J% f; Z3 Q& h/ _
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ I' j# R+ i* L1 n) r: a4 K% o' P

; ^" F; o1 F* h+ K; qLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
/ w0 n' {# ^1 `: S建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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# p5 n* m# v; u% C$ V1 J# B"不信也沒損失"
7 ^; D% b/ W: O6 I6 i! N' aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) k5 g! e* |# p5 v, R, l5 e; S
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ H0 y! H$ s' y- Q1 F

% ?! C( G% q* w3 ?4 M0 dit's starting because we have sins......
- j) f+ {: k/ Gsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ y8 F1 g6 r; F" L2 A1 eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ b& D- C, w: c% N! B, A+ C
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,( u+ Q2 ?  ^  w; ], o' b' K' [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  ^1 `: t. ]1 \, N  e# \- a
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" r9 D9 K# v; S- Z1 l7 {) _. `
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) {) n/ C: ]( B6 m6 w$ e& F
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' _. F7 F0 B- }. i

/ A# q: X$ j) p導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; r! t: @7 D' q% O7 f3 u好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. u0 q7 s$ F$ W
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' V1 e+ x3 F9 E; ^
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' f# o7 a0 _9 a) m" D- _0 Y' M

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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$ C8 ?- k" ?2 R8 I: N2 n7 [以下是其他人的見解,( d& D6 d' P. p1 V8 S% p7 f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' h8 R' X! f# A$ T, e信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 n+ Q7 g+ |% r

: \, B, f: T! p我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 E& S. K* t( F1 i( f, I! ~0 j& J
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....( G% {! [% A% A: W
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.