Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ P9 a. i* T- p- Q; `+ h( w/ g: \我係一個連自己都吳信的人
% V: |: ?1 k5 p, h4 }! e0 A+ U又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( T. c' U0 L. i4 V% l
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
5 y$ G7 @" ~0 a9 `* a呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% I3 D' E3 e% N& H$ C1 q8 ?Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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8 O$ `) J7 N. a' ]  _Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 R. d5 r9 d% v5 X" g' q

7 }+ e/ `/ u: }1 _& A# [0 cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 I% L, p$ K. G8 Z" X& t- W; ~struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 \. _( q8 m4 Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 k9 \+ M# U* o
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 ~. {; {* d4 S4 R( j/ a1 B( E0 _
真的!!這不是反話1 m1 ?" |* s- v& @: R" b
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* U4 R( R) M5 D. W2 X7 E7 o3 r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( `* I( i, J0 }4 {, U
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:4 k" [" {% n- ]: I8 g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( v4 p  C, C/ O- f+ ?: WWhat a statement we have here?; `" }- |# J7 ]1 C% m- }+ M

/ [& w7 }: r8 _% i& S$ tJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 `5 a0 F, G/ K) U0 s% D
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 ^7 c5 w) _& i* g

9 x: R) l) L: p8 GLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 T( i6 L0 m! B( m% p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
) x5 N+ [) E1 m. BYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....) m# C/ [: b% y* D# u# V, F# `2 d
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 }; ^- e+ `) _- `7 H
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it's starting because we have sins......
$ A) C* [. A+ X& b9 k! osatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) [" M& O, e1 \( E6 G. X3 x: j
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 X- Q3 }( A( V7 l: S, X0 _  A只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 a' k4 |% D. b/ T0 m' _用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; p; M+ p; `& ~這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 T- j2 j8 Y% B+ g/ E; x: X如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,3 S, n  x6 |( x- T
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 j4 e. }( S$ I5 F導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
, i' N6 A1 {' {. a& D. Z) [好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, q% l3 b$ t3 C

( ]8 r! r* U* E, d" K" s9 j一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ V! c% _' [. D, q8 f改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
& X* A  t! I1 M美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# ^1 N2 {5 l4 O, P
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,% p$ q. ~2 a9 |
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 ~0 o9 t! t- j1 {4 h" {
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm, f  ]7 l2 p7 x

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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; `' l. r8 w4 l. E' F, }* ]1 k  V信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 w  V( G6 L( C9 S& V9 g) @
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!- U4 T; y8 \. \6 J

3 e2 v; O& o' z  c& l! ~我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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6 W0 M+ Z7 f% p& Q6 U9 j5 I同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
& ~4 k* n2 B; T8 R0 f.............信耶穌... ...

* P" W' l8 L; E/ L9 y! eRegarding the resurrection....2 c9 D) V; S* W* J  j+ n4 `
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ H; [! W7 |& t, X8 S
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.