Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 a9 |" D% [$ O9 m我係一個連自己都吳信的人! W5 h2 |* G) ^8 f
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ J0 q- q* D5 Y" s/ Y9 [9 J道理我知道好多只係做吳到! T$ L, n' J+ s3 c6 t# t
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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4 p1 S. e3 j0 H2 BNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 u0 P6 t4 n: m) K/ _( N
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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/ r4 s  t' r! Kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!! i. S1 i* L) ~
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人) i3 ?; K  z: g- e! v+ @
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,0 }  |$ E/ t7 H5 }/ r
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% Y7 e. b' z6 Q' G$ x在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...  _% w0 w) [- t8 v8 @/ {8 k
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 L* |+ B; Q8 y" c0 Q* }! i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?7 c! n+ d( }' W2 p5 q
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? , K4 B$ w4 ?+ w! E$ Y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ E, |! P# m! }% `% H& S
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 `' K) f4 H7 Y* D. O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
5 t7 _, r/ M$ y% X3 M9 Q8 yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....% s8 U8 F6 z* a$ K
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......  W4 Z$ D+ O; d" V( @" {4 L' T
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : S$ ?* t- {. g4 j( W
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( ^9 `+ o- f+ R- C9 `: Q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 y1 A2 g1 W& w2 w4 b' V$ `$ S
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% r) v5 y% \; Z7 @4 C1 j8 C
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 z4 L+ z3 o4 K1 [
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 f8 u' {0 S0 `而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ R9 n: o% Q: h0 E好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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8 N  z* S3 |) X: h4 @$ \一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, p$ Z0 R1 S2 k$ C
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" `! @- ~2 p. H& s% Z; W! a
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..." J# S" N. @9 a, A0 [
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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4 m& f$ A. v2 |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. N) K6 F1 w" @信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ `% X8 T7 X1 M0 b
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以下是其他人的見解,& W: ]3 T7 U, u$ }. T8 e* b% a' c
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% L. Q+ z% A1 v, x8 A* X0 {/ {
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!* E. o9 `& V8 I( F
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  o" o5 V' Z# n2 }9 I4 l4 [

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8 x' k. F  i6 C$ i9 G0 J3 ~同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 ]5 b: \0 a& W0 H+ w/ h6 J! u
.............信耶穌... ...

* x. X" e( I* V  L9 @Regarding the resurrection....3 Y) R' _. n$ q( q: B) [* q9 V

; I) L% l* @. m) P/ ~/ N9 a, O. ^5 OActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 T3 _" x8 F4 |, D) V( C- O. jYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.