Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 e# W1 j6 E* i" f, E) t我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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. \, U+ K4 \' U* K) i6 a道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 o! z9 C8 l% D. }0 V$ F呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 R9 j- T7 }9 x7 C' NNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# ]: g) X% s% q9 ^' `' H# Z

2 ~% V" @; I! V4 x( V8 sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." i4 f3 H2 p/ G! V7 z4 S8 ^

3 j. k- v. `( f) R: umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 X, L2 G2 @5 \# J/ {/ N, bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! v. ~. E3 W- Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 c2 A( I3 K! ~5 |  m我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,7 K# e7 a) ^& f2 }* x
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, l5 Z* |; c9 c5 c1 y在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, V3 C8 e: h+ n# V6 O. j
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?; a/ G- y8 G& J, }4 }! Q

- ^& X6 }  t/ y3 u& c- V5 [/ uJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& C* T' d0 m& h: t$ }! \I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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4 q2 k2 F- j- h7 Y* k4 |0 z- b) {: B& wLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 U; {2 p5 A  J6 Z9 m
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:cool:
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9 S/ ?5 [6 |& N7 O[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# Y4 O9 I5 S+ E' G4 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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$ e; z0 a6 {3 \"不信也沒損失"8 _8 N6 Z- R5 h" P: ^
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 U8 n' m: f) Gbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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( J% K( P8 R) [# l/ G7 @it's starting because we have sins......" ^. r4 I; K# ?' g
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   u! }# _9 `' Y0 }3 Y9 k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ t" m6 s4 n; l+ r! _
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 V; p0 N9 z: l3 m# ~7 U
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ a* y4 Z! d! W' X$ C這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, }/ K% H1 v5 k/ ?. P" b+ E
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ K- @0 O+ S) A0 O  w好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" ~& e% X5 A  @" N6 j- v9 a一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 y/ f6 ]( y1 _" |3 u0 f8 o( ^
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: e! V' q+ [; T* U1 i1 R* m
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
$ u7 v) {6 f- X( N信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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- k2 N. P, p0 t# x以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 f% Z9 C" O) {/ T
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 p% G/ p! ]$ ]9 H/ l  K
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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" [' b+ D0 @- j9 K* a9 @同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 l$ m7 w7 G+ B, x6 Y3 \' |.............信耶穌... ...

! _  ]1 h; e' }& o' f: O: U8 O* v% |Regarding the resurrection....: v9 `7 Q" C$ L5 g) U
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% \, I6 h' g1 a8 [# y# F3 P' J! a
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.