Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, N; _. T- h# B# P1 e我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 r# e0 w1 h8 r: v" O
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!: y2 O4 T% U2 H
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人) _. _! b) {& }: V( n  z; N, y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 Z. h3 O4 m9 B/ D
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ Q# \' ?2 S2 c! }" n% g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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- o; ~6 t$ N( Q+ S8 a! ?/ U, F: gJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 \6 X6 I! r4 U2 P  z# {% H
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 u8 B# g0 ~; @( W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
+ p" s* e0 }9 ]5 b3 Y! yYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 c/ v# V& c) G7 O; zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
  M* l6 B" q# u- S只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 n2 S& ?: q" D/ l
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,/ L0 h+ F3 T2 U4 H9 E2 \# j. ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% J1 I' U  R' }' L$ z7 @
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 z1 \0 q5 v2 i, W好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- d; O5 Z+ ?/ p/ h% F/ F' A

5 I, R! o5 q- F5 }8 P$ f1 i9 a一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ p3 l9 @" V" X) ^4 K1 Y" B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: t; o$ Q6 A7 g1 j: n, j
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具0 d5 c# B4 ]1 r( _5 ~1 ~$ W
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 R6 U( r3 p+ T. A信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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0 @1 ]+ f0 y. s; [# G! j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# q9 b! n- u2 ?$ ?1 W* ~; ^" k

$ o, b* m* r3 G; g2 B& x" T我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 _; H4 b8 e, W  ~' F% M/ e2 g

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ ^' C  ]0 B8 _# N7 X
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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$ x1 X! `, I- e9 a/ M. G  JActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.