Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ N- o6 d8 x# L+ z5 p% A
我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 n1 z) R* |4 i
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& I5 G; w; g+ y4 N  u
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ F0 @4 O# V4 _; ?0 C7 I# m呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' E  k: z% p4 T0 o+ ]Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 T4 u  J2 n, L5 o% x9 A6 ?

7 e. z2 V6 p, R* l" UNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... \' j- I- r8 ~

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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!, E! k4 S5 g% |
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人" Q  x% x4 B, M! C0 w
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,; Q: h5 G& J' C" G
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  g# J/ W& n* o在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- K9 G- I. r: }. b" i& q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- V* x8 {: E5 b% _/ jI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.- D6 p" k  M8 ^6 _2 M' S4 d

# n4 K$ y2 o; J# {3 eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. ]0 W9 m2 p) o! X
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:% n: q, N; [9 ~4 Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"- Z) X0 o& A! C! c7 m
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
( Q) b$ n4 F5 i5 b8 k; X; Cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( n* P) I5 N# w  W6 T

' D7 B% M# p  ^2 Y3 J2 hit's starting because we have sins......
) a& v7 J! Q1 H# ~! rsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ k% U$ j' j# G, I  ]our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 F+ X* e  Y( c2 R3 ~# e  o  W) B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,( X6 ~9 W9 `) {
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' b! b" c& t, D: P* A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: c. A' @; J$ O% d/ E9 B
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% ~: q* m) x5 d" {6 e4 H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~7 M5 R  t2 ^" O. k. ]5 L
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# ^0 g8 u# }7 }9 Y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,6 g0 `% C. H- F& \% d, {2 L
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 U1 t  W& {8 a, _" m
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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8 W7 Y2 o5 G( ^7 G1 }6 X0 B( A宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具* A8 I) t8 K8 l" B
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,7 @+ R, D3 L- d* @( E. @# t  l
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  e- j5 J  A# P2 w& P
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以下是其他人的見解,, ?4 z+ G& g$ H/ G: O2 u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# b+ }6 B1 H8 y' ^) @信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ S3 G% P* f! P* W1 ?( G不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 |5 z( g- d4 K; j6 \5 q. d

6 `2 `# o& l7 Q  m) D4 ]我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, T, c: ]* `$ w! z8 q  V/ \
.............信耶穌... ...

- v' f9 `2 r& F/ y! v! QRegarding the resurrection....5 W& K# S$ _  M5 a
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..../ e. \( I* u, ?2 a2 m7 y( r

: }- R" n# E+ I0 a6 PYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.