Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
1 a+ i' h2 t# F/ c我係一個連自己都吳信的人! o$ }4 \" O- x$ q! Z1 i  ?
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢$ L0 h2 u3 j) g* \* m: U
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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# {! E$ x2 G1 M1 A4 X+ |Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 z' t$ |4 K1 `

( A% c! z* t! u* h/ ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  Y& t9 i# w* O( \% O/ P8 i: fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# X2 j+ E- n: ]2 I( m$ B8 n0 t* F. \
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. O9 ^0 I* U$ Q3 d$ q* @+ J* L! B5 y* I; {
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人# j" P2 r2 d8 g  ], ~1 g
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,, m& Q  e" D4 W  h$ u2 G- D
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 \  x( E$ M$ O& v7 H在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 k- N9 a# T2 y4 z1 B; y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  h) \' x4 s2 ]5 X) k( X4 V9 wWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 P  ?( `. g9 J) b  h
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.& G7 x/ t1 R) v* O
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! O, n: A1 |% Q3 u5 g

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 i, ~1 _  K$ \+ Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
* L6 ]: F& W6 P! w' y- R2 g# YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 J, ~5 i( [1 a: X9 d4 Zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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4 u# W. c( B! I0 q% ~it's starting because we have sins......
) h. F6 Z2 L8 Y" D! ]5 t9 Rsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' l0 R, O3 F0 e6 B) z' ^+ ]our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* K# |6 J% `0 h$ l& Y7 m3 h, T這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全" S) p4 v8 y/ C7 d: ]: |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  l* F6 l# {! u& y$ f1 q+ L9 g' ~* y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~* z1 E+ H4 \; i- O
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ C: U4 s+ x) ?' S) {
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 ]) y9 B# B7 A% l一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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1 p6 D- v: a5 c9 p6 T2 i吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 w" c- ^" W8 k7 t5 Z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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7 [) R' n" F2 K6 b6 i5 n5 K; d以下是其他人的見解,$ k4 V% @! q& H0 H" f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. ?# O" F% m" {1 M8 a) u8 r+ g. E
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; _2 p  m6 ^: i2 ^+ f( V8 v我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 A9 Q0 |! |1 M, C% |
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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" W7 T! _1 P2 H; C4 r1 R: vActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....! Y/ ^' H) u5 n  Q
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.