Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 r& q4 I% O0 t5 E
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 B1 q3 t6 r+ l

$ l% r7 B5 _* m; O) c1 d& t: vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  J! k$ r* @: B5 {$ e

+ a/ P# H+ ?4 m: ^3 y0 m7 Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 B: `# q, X6 v
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- P0 M2 V7 ]5 q3 \/ Y' H7 qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ J$ j& k* I! G. w
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
8 x/ {9 {. ]& J真的!!這不是反話* y6 v6 i7 Q) A5 v! n
因為我是情感比理性強的人6 q! B. _, R* l# v3 ~2 `  S
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ p0 M4 M9 Z, l
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( |1 B+ @9 h( j2 \4 |在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* {8 ?' _5 `  X' ?$ Y  j$ k# D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 M; Z$ G; u$ x) B* \What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' Y6 L) t8 W8 Z2 T  E

: m" P8 f, J9 U! P2 JI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ s5 V8 v5 q7 d# @2 Z
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
- E* x" l# a! ]6 z7 _* NYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* s: ]- B& a, E% L. @* w- w, Lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ s+ B1 E$ a' d6 X) X$ I; ~

: c1 W6 @) Z' p. A2 {" vit's starting because we have sins......
" C" [# y$ L, T* y" [/ zsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! ^. b5 X$ r9 K* J9 b) D" T. t3 `7 ?
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
' O) P! k0 J/ R1 y/ X只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ U- g( a4 Z' f2 @) R8 X& ?用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' j6 j% `7 {& h5 K* Q這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ D) x# b* s1 E* m! k如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 }- ~% V2 B# Q: e5 V8 d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' }' s1 m! v3 ?! x# z8 K; x
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# o: i: h2 F7 s好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 l2 E! r! u% B  I

4 V$ d8 c5 V: p$ S8 W: F* p  ]一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
( P" J7 n" P. [# H改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 ?- `/ R7 F" W美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., I+ ^! s7 }& P: [6 l% }5 @
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  r3 R4 `1 J4 F6 t' f$ S& `( B信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,( t$ ]$ Y2 a% k
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!; W! @. ~  P3 h

; C. ?$ w( M$ n: {我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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, u' C* J7 I$ a8 O同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
7 W+ `9 ^, K& C8 R$ x3 J.............信耶穌... ...

# Z3 D  a; A* [6 k  p' tRegarding the resurrection....4 n5 Q/ P+ _$ z! r

; U+ X( ^) ^3 ^Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 Y' Q: o: o+ o# x) k& r3 B

7 t9 Z. _+ O2 _( K  ^You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.