Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 Q; g: U% i5 ]5 U6 p. h5 m
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ m& P3 n% g0 c
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 _" f  N2 b. L& ^: ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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0 H; }3 ^+ {) @Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 f% a+ b9 N9 d/ s+ l( xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
* `0 G9 @; Y) O$ D- t1 E我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 Q( G  S: `! |+ r' K3 Z; s) ?# {. x
真的!!這不是反話
; O& X, L/ e$ P) S4 }3 v因為我是情感比理性強的人
# W! a1 L, b9 V1 R所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& u& l( x$ }6 Q9 x! @# [" C
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 G) t3 J8 l) P1 H1 a在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 t! ^& y+ {% H0 _: w5 ~
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' j( P/ C/ b/ [1 A, }4 Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! Q# G: P+ v  D# ~, B% v1 A. w

/ p# J# B+ {5 F6 ~  `I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ m" U& ~8 S" D5 h* K8 h

& m! }5 O1 m+ J: v$ xLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) H) u, l0 P$ @6 t3 @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  b) X7 b& h" O' {"不信也沒損失"
' G) t3 t6 A7 F2 N- [7 m% bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 q. @1 H! A0 ]/ ]& X- Ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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7 `( m7 g3 M( G; s* [5 mit's starting because we have sins......- i/ F9 {8 k* S7 }7 t
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% M$ H$ |) F3 c& X8 F: d' J% nour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
/ b5 R6 b8 K* d  ]8 ?7 D只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# `) ~3 @6 D) y$ I5 l1 i用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,, F) d* Q  c& y( N
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 Y# c' j* }7 ]$ u+ I, ?* r* }3 P如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( l4 ?% Y9 b9 p; D* ?- C而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,8 [" M2 l- M; g3 h
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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4 J1 H# a& f2 `1 G' c4 N$ g吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; l# P$ S3 T; [- r! ?# x信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ p* Y  I, j' j) X0 `* e
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以下是其他人的見解,
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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$ {+ Z* {' q, M/ w! O不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!# a4 ]9 J, I/ _: S8 ], ^
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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  q: v7 u% Q+ A9 N5 u+ L/ @同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....9 \- A' @3 F( P; y( I- c

& B& x7 ], A/ M" l2 t6 Y. N2 yActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 E) n9 ^6 ^' ^3 ^5 L- Y1 a2 b

6 F( ^  L" ?* N5 f, MYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.