Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& V! c" I7 K! h/ G我係一個連自己都吳信的人" r$ j( U+ M' ~) a/ r- L
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- s) c+ @5 H4 K4 c, T& q道理我知道好多只係做吳到  L! B7 b3 n* D) \1 e$ z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! V. N2 {8 p! w5 F8 L2 |) l7 P! c; R

' ^; e8 m7 Q8 P9 y1 m/ kNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 ^9 }* z' N; x

+ q3 T, v2 O8 F3 N( P: fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  j# j4 n4 N1 X4 m# c, Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 K  w4 d1 G4 {, }我只不過微小的基督徒...................+ C* z  G8 m# r' @" e# a
真的!!這不是反話
: z8 t' w$ f; ]8 i) f2 L因為我是情感比理性強的人" ?9 i4 l, b! I" E8 h$ k$ X% A2 r
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  ?& @$ W  E; Y- s) P1 `6 U
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 d' k' t: g. _在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ a# `% K. v! n3 y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  O& Q& o" P! r, O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, p: ]7 v% X7 q9 P7 q% ^

3 s) A7 o! g: aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / L; {3 D$ e. K
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 l, G: d9 Q8 F
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
7 r) c- \9 B4 Q5 K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
' T3 n# j. t0 ?+ E* J% uYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 R2 e9 X2 B# X' {# |* W
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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& E! G7 j4 B0 k5 e! `  g+ y, ]it's starting because we have sins......: D# D  c, h6 c; H0 a' S
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  j! U/ H0 A4 j% xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 X1 A4 N2 O+ j" L% |4 ?8 H+ Y- Q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  J$ v) G. ^% U
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,3 G. [5 H+ N9 @1 d' R- n  Z3 }/ c8 Y
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 E) _* [# X% s3 m如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. I+ {& Q5 _/ U而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! ?6 T% C: P( L' Y+ O% p: V) n導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; Z+ ?/ n7 H$ C好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 s, x2 T7 f9 r

/ W# z- f' _" j" g" I  h6 I一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
4 Q6 l9 A( {4 k0 @改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  o2 T/ x* v4 F美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 \0 X' D4 a* P+ f8 D
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具5 W, U( j# i& k6 M( e
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- c, F/ G6 N) o
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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& g- P" r- n$ W- ~8 I以下是其他人的見解,
( t  W: J" _6 r( t看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 \& a8 s: G' F+ i1 e2 v
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm, H8 |- Z$ R& z8 z

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ V$ F3 c! j6 e$ l! h
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!8 z* w, l2 Q6 |5 H

7 u0 C. S7 t$ M. h0 v不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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* v5 r  r' K4 \+ M4 n我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& o1 X* E# x6 j5 i; {2 J
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! q4 Y1 u8 ]3 S7 q& K' A" b$ G+ _/ |6 L
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....& b* ~' ~: W, q( }
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 H) m9 c; l9 Z% c/ S' \
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.