Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- c$ h4 V5 v/ z( }我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 o& G( j4 J1 g( A0 p1 L
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; o3 B; u& h8 h+ i; v+ k道理我知道好多只係做吳到
, c% E6 z' f1 J; M/ P$ V: n8 c呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 r0 O8 o/ q1 JNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ f! a7 [8 L. r' d. e/ o# DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& h9 m, R3 Q# h; R) ]6 ^; N3 G9 @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; N+ `5 q2 r9 h- |7 s4 e, z
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 }% ^7 @& P8 n2 hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- Q5 x# X& Q9 G6 ~" E我只不過微小的基督徒...................
( E, _: l4 B/ f: I; N, g真的!!這不是反話
4 j1 d: x, o; v6 ^因為我是情感比理性強的人
7 a  _/ M$ W& K& G$ }所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,( z/ U0 U  U4 a
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 \# v: M9 h  |8 {3 _; k7 W
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 H: T0 w5 V) L9 }0 E; X
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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4 B, i3 x& P9 M6 s/ AJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 4 `( F& q6 `- `- c6 T
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
5 P2 w: p8 @5 R" R) f建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
( r3 A' U8 \4 y2 n. J2 aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 O! q& v. P+ p6 R( Q& W+ p
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
0 f' E' ]8 K8 Z! e5 |satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
" o9 t+ f) f' K# ]" k$ ]# Four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; C7 b" V) J1 C/ S1 s0 L4 x
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
( a$ L1 w& L# H! U2 p- z5 f! z用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- f: W, D) x, Z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 z9 q4 v6 m! l
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' V- C* [3 R8 _0 ]9 }& M) y% d而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 r* b2 l$ v: B" A, P$ V9 b1 q8 w6 P
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& W; j2 x; w7 Q! m# M好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 _# Z+ |! K/ R; W3 ]
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% y3 U( ]! Y* F, p! V0 T+ ~
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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) O4 G& F$ ^9 U: S0 @( w宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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* l% u. a3 l. P% B  X吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 J% ?9 }0 [% o* k
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,$ [. i. W8 P0 R- e5 B/ J
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. |4 R$ v+ `! J* o
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ v# J2 M6 T6 E; D2 u: i3 y

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 S( q) t. s: K/ w0 M* {, ]+ }: U7 T
.............信耶穌... ...

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3 r& J( q) r; z( z: p/ f9 @9 JActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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+ Z) X$ E8 Z. h) ^* U; pYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.