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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) s* c2 v6 U( s3 @) K$ u, jWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???* h7 B& N* d" l: T: b+ n- ^
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
) ]! q* Q; ^. R$ @' _. X9 _so銀行可以不斷放款
$ o) m/ e* U2 @# f9 T- R* q美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)3 C+ }2 {0 N2 W! I
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)$ S2 X3 k; m. J. I1 }5 n8 i  n
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
4 Q1 s# w; `0 q& {7 YCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
2 ?  I  @; C% Y$ \% V/ u* Z# k. dmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
  z2 T, X( ?( w. rmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
9 b7 g+ \% y  z; ~  ?% Ain other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
5 S; ?0 u7 H$ }, m: [/ q8 fAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.! K/ ]2 F! H7 X# g
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
8 y9 s) n% v9 k; n9 Cnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ! H) w/ H9 H( Z" K5 h$ H1 A( z
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
, G# a" N! ]0 {6 B* P0 m& R, U1 \banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.# D' Z% X# s/ i/ n0 k$ r) s/ z8 M; Q( T
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.3 r7 q6 I0 A% c+ N, \3 x7 v
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
2 S, @1 q' Y5 |9 }9 BA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction., y: O- T* F+ ^7 V3 s
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. * c, j5 q7 ?  m& c) x! y: a
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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5 I, E  s) n" v; Y2 Z- q! S9 Y[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; }& D  k9 S4 {( \( b! L4 }) gRefer to last example,
- @2 _6 s% ]. Y" l0 Q# _0 Gthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
, \& G3 L- \( PBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand : V2 j3 H. K) f! P2 @) F
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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+ c, b; j2 n! e! k, g9 e' IA->B->C->D->E
  M% d1 `# e2 |+ w% Y; Z" ]so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
# }' C+ G* D& u7 N8 @1 u- ~- ?/ qall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
% Q; [- n+ z5 V& Y! T5 Nin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
+ E4 G1 T( |! eit's the problem of the debt itself.
& }+ @' i! `# j5 y0 Fthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: {" `0 d& |( _5 c+ g8 M2 t
小弟一直都唔明...
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7 I5 c( k: Q$ O6 ]4 l" M( V全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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% c+ N' J$ d  x- M, F無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...) W' b3 Q" h0 i. q: I2 N

  H4 d! E6 H$ ?8 q3 Z: T2 N0 X" g% O, d. p敬請各師兄解答+ |: Y  V) w: N: S2 ?) b% a8 x

5 X" u) b9 v% p4 Q' o+ t; ~# ?( q$ XThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  ; N4 {9 ?  [: A! f2 f$ G; p, `, {1 [5 Z. J
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic0 p( m- U7 J7 f3 p6 \! m

( I0 [2 ~' P$ ?8 D+ xhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
( K  ~! t8 G0 E* q8 ]0 K當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
( C! v9 t5 E3 h& S$ I+ E3 Y於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊9 q: t6 @; X, v7 T3 ]4 H% a
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
& L1 V1 e* z! ~# u! l% E$ I扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
. M* O9 s: x- N( p* z- b計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
% x9 H  \5 Y) J前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
' i7 L. C- C- i9 S3 d+ f同埋個市場既前境要係好先得- b% q4 W# [5 }' E% Z
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
3 L0 H: k$ `  S例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
+ L- ^3 Z! M: d咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%7 d7 ]' r* d1 n5 A
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
( R! F  x1 G5 p6 L1 V& Q+ l但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, " t- p9 q$ e( g) Q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
7 U, D  q, V: }, j呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行$ X6 [2 b; x/ u5 ~1 C/ _9 a! v4 B
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 ?% ~' E# N  i6 V2 \/ X& Z. Q' C
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" p0 s( [% z' q$ f8 Q2 x淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 3 b: B; s! h1 \) z9 Y
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
# [* N% Z, S0 q. n咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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4 W& \  S. K& t; J6 s  Z正係咁樣4 b: f! C2 d0 V
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業8 {- f$ P! P$ ?9 N0 U2 O: h* ]
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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" H$ ^3 y, D& N6 ~, ?/ m再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,% p! B5 t* E  i4 @
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
/ d6 U% X9 X) J( N: w5 W一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產& K" p* C# V. j
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 W' X5 V1 b4 u& U# v4 j4 k咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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3 e! J% ?; n0 a. Y) ^6 F7 J其實係...% B0 c& g' M7 `
因為以前未生產, 先消費, @4 W7 D  p/ x3 L
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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