singdotcom

Originally posted by crap at 2005-4-26 12:31 AM:. T, `  n9 t5 k" y$ C2 O
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This is a good po ...

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9 D& E. [2 e" i. r9 M4 V/ S多謝哂. 在我的定義中, "努力"係指一個人無論做佢鍾唔鍾意的事, 佢都會全力以赴. 好似<長今>咁, 就算叫佢洗碗, 幫宮女按摩, 佢都全力做好. 呢d就係"努力".
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相反, 如果一個人有某方面天份, 但佢只係在這方面"努力", 做其他事就求求其其, 甚至有d事佢應該要做, 但係因為佢對呢樣野冇天份而唔去做, 佢都唔算係真正"努力".
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8 ?9 I& q5 N! g1 U2 a' b例如一個科學家佢對研究有天份同在這方面很努力, 但係佢表達能力極差, 如果佢唔"努力"改善表達能力, 佢都唔可以將d成果同其他人分享.

icefire

我覺天份90%, 努力10%# l5 k# H" @* ^, m% i
會考就係最好的例子.- G9 i. P' S6 V9 n
就以會考數學緊講, 有d人真係唔洗溫書, 做幾年past paper就攞個A.

奇

有天份又努力再加運氣就更好

crap

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-4-26 03:00 AM:- J- R9 |* `" x$ c/ E
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psycho is hard~.~: b' m" F( r' k4 r
haha, anyway, i can see your points, especialy "hard working can be trained by hard working" the idea is fresh to me
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good to chat with u, more of this kind of topics will come, see you there~

crap

Originally posted by singdotcom at 2005-4-26 01:57 PM:5 @  H. k2 J8 [. w2 C/ r" j

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多謝哂. 在我的定義中, &quo ...

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hahhaa, 不用客氣
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" v; {  u0 @: T9 ~我明白你的觀點, 在小弟的定義中, 如果一個人平時不努力, 但遇到喜歡做的事會努力做, 那也算是努力了 + o. Q& C/ `  f; ^
以追女仔為例, 一個平日多懶的人, 也會出力追女孩子吧, 那也算是努力呀
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哈哈, 有少少離題了, 不過最重要大家傾得開心

singdotcom

Originally posted by crap at 2005-4-26 11:44 PM:2 t" Z% Z, U) i# q  q+ ?! x

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hahhaa, 不用客氣
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我 ...

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哈哈, 做左咁多年人, 我一直都冇咩用腦做人. 你出呢d topic, 正好比我"努力"訓練吓d思考能力, 組織能力同表達能力.: U2 I5 d( X6 Z8 K% n6 `# r

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jason williams

Originally posted by crap at 2005-4-26 11:36 PM:) \' S4 G" Z5 @$ {$ f' q# l
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haha.......ho ar, nice to chat with u2, especially this kind of topic

crap

Originally posted by singdotcom at 2005-4-27 01:53 AM:$ c( z- E. H5 W' ^; Q

. ~1 _7 L" x5 h$ {哈哈, 做左咁多年人, 我一直都冇咩用腦做人. 你出呢d topic, 正好比我"努力"訓練吓d思考能力, 組織能力同表達能力.
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哈哈, 我都有少少離題了

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哈哈, 你努力時可能會發現了自己的天份呢
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  e1 Z; Q4 p) ^同類既topic會盡量日日都出, 希望大家可以一齊用下腦袋啦
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你有無試下答大義滅親果條呀, 都幾好玩嫁   <----- 哈哈, 剛發現你答了, 多謝支持0 E7 v8 Y) k. r' z
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crap

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-4-27 01:54 AM:
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haha.......ho ar, nice to chat with u2, especially this kind of topic

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haha, me 2, similar type of brain teasing topics will be made everyday (ideally)
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again, have u tried the 大義滅親 one? that's quite funny IMO
3 v& }$ v$ x% _5 i5 FGive it a go if u have time

jason williams

haha, leave jor some comment about it la2 R2 H7 H' ^5 t4 U
besides, crap! interest to ask u- ?) N8 S; N, U/ [: b7 N7 h8 \2 |( j
which faculty u are studying, u seems interest in thinking and doing research on social, psycho and philiosophy!