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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. A9 p' H  m* }# q" p' Z
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
: i' [: B3 p7 H# nI was so confused.....
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% q: g# M: Q+ Y( u  B講到尾都係賺錢# F4 P* l- }+ E
so銀行可以不斷放款4 [0 p- t% ^7 {+ d" c4 ^* c5 Z
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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& o# m# C6 x  n; H3 X: l* z>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)# p5 v( y# v3 l. |/ [; Y! O& j
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
! W( M) Z+ l6 s1 g6 o; ?3 S8 e+ vCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,! r8 O7 M; R: e& d3 z1 X, p
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.' O8 e5 b* [( O9 N% ^! _
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
1 `$ J) l2 F4 b' x2 r# Fin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
2 z9 C- Z' v" L, ^' u, `7 ?! ^Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency./ _( ?! I7 N1 x" u% {
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,# n2 E% K  _! v" H% Y; t1 u
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 1 ^- h; J/ t6 Y
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. % C# A" G& p+ p3 D
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.* h9 P  }% d. v* H9 j0 A

* A" ?& h& c8 z" Cim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.5 J  `, r1 S) r
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.# P. w( B2 _  ?2 x
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
5 E* m+ @1 n6 Q' \4 O  ~4 N5 d, L+ hA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.9 N* \8 K; t; ^2 n; E
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
8 W8 K1 U; _/ |: `- ybut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( ]" H" Z' j  {* y  b& ~, HRefer to last example,
$ v9 d  }  p" cthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A - K3 Z6 p7 K* n  D7 M( F
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand $ O; d# S/ M2 [2 I' Z6 ]
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E! B; o& N, I2 d& x5 x8 a4 s, d
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ; ?, ~& a+ K- R9 u7 v
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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  l2 e+ w! O  O/ i' Pthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
, ]1 W# R( F( D( |$ m  R0 Vin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
0 w9 J' U( {. L/ F& u6 A7 ?it's the problem of the debt itself.
1 N( T  x: v, w2 O1 Pthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ }2 q- i, Y$ Y3 n* ^4 d0 i小弟一直都唔明...  g7 l  q: Q& l4 C$ ?* V
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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: J1 Y3 S7 [$ z! J! ^, [無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.... v) p' H5 o% M) |. R0 S" H

! b7 y' K& Y' @% e敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  & \7 M9 }. I2 d. A" ?
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic9 c+ A: r& _+ t  l* S3 ?

0 J4 f& c) ]- [/ x; ~) Nhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
: T# D! j* X+ G當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
+ R0 L9 O, |5 p# T於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊1 U# P  G9 b) B" X. r) \# Q% k
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
" ?  s5 x) W; h+ w" s扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
. j: {0 J% L- ?! i0 e計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
* q# h( I! a+ [* ~8 q9 H1 `前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
( y+ @5 j9 O' c# p5 K同埋個市場既前境要係好先得3 m  l) D& B; ~+ K& c( V
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺4 m) X  g5 K) d9 l
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 8 d+ _$ H- Y$ [: i0 h3 V  G
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
- _5 f& x) n- \# S2 L, p: o所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
& M' X: Q' O; y4 ^但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
* b' t3 M5 ^5 A( m$ l淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
% {/ k; p% b5 N- E! o4 a呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行4 _8 s( y6 h6 k1 i( M
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& }  @9 L" s* o9 B/ S0 H
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ) K- Y  t3 t$ L2 t' U3 y# i! f0 h4 F
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
) F0 s1 n2 }* S9 w" S呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行2 m4 ~- V8 w) P* |* x5 {: E
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣. d4 ^  h# V2 N* \
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
3 ]( Z, {6 L: E- j( Z分分鐘佢地唔使還錢  d3 X# F: c& \# |

: @, h/ W9 i; h6 ~7 C* M! z  x7 |再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,# y6 g  K% s  ~) `
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票/ Y4 m1 o( _4 j) B* q
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產$ k1 x) {& I( I  y9 x
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. T* s( k% E0 t" M* T咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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- j7 f# l; ]- }2 e其實係...# D# k! }  x; I1 N6 t/ z/ x
因為以前未生產, 先消費
" r  \" q' i1 |1 A而家就要多生產, 少消費
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