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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:8 R1 Z$ W. p$ Z

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:/ g& H! w% G' `9 g1 J4 S1 h9 V
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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6 X/ A! E7 o% u# U智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->" A6 v  x6 u; u! M. `* \$ f
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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# G* `. \1 b% K0 J, S$ \政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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8 }4 l" g7 c. }: ?4 r- P打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
& i# [$ N! |7 J- x* _In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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% A: J9 o0 O& p/ q6 ?他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:) g( O5 {7 N4 }7 X( x! b
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......