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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:8 e9 A/ d2 E0 S+ j# u/ ~% I
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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) @& F$ k1 A5 w# DBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:' W. O1 L& z) I" c3 i

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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. K9 E7 U6 t* D8 }4 V1 a+ ?- \+ k$ S其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:9 s& n7 V' Y* v& ]: W- \' E
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see #22 Thus3 `8 W; v1 x- u# {! Y
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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% @, u$ |" ?3 f5 {, T6 E" X+ b軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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$ f! i( M. _* g1 c1 o4 ~5 e政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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  q( m# c: y' c6 q' g2 [打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮./ v/ u1 p5 Z/ l% L0 n

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
& R4 D9 ?! ?& ^, A9 L( w; pIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:) r' T9 ~  ]7 H
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:  S; s& T4 `7 L1 \

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$ T; K. F/ X8 [7 V3 Z& v. f! S他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:2 s+ Y* M& K% k1 p' _8 T
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yes, that's the point.

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