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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:/ L$ O) D9 ]0 ?: w
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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! U1 ?. x% A% K9 ibut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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. Z/ k8 q9 T/ j- e1 HBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?% {9 Q6 K% M9 g9 E" y  M& X- O

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:5 W( j0 p9 t$ G; e* ?$ }  s( m; N

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus2 u, B% f5 b6 v& L4 F

( y, ^4 D  k( H' ?  |* v( \+ J; q智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維9 D. m4 @7 K, O# o' k

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2 N$ e3 V, b) [* Y打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.+ h9 a  w' W- A4 G+ {1 v$ |
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
0 K' }& n7 \8 C% IIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:2 T) F6 i+ Z/ e" Y. L2 I

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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8 W1 [$ G2 E+ k  I/ lAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:/ q: M, N3 K5 S* C/ J" R

! P( B7 B' y/ y* ?yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......