Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- m$ r/ F# N/ u. {$ m' c) r
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ ]2 o+ \; Y" ~0 N, `: A8 ]
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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9 l- Z! G/ Z" X# cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 R/ C  V- K/ c  Y* Y  c3 G* P

+ I6 M  ~* Q% ^5 ZNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  K7 w5 ?' W; n1 {& X: W
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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- q. T4 v$ y& E' K, mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 w, }; b: t) m' J7 Mcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 P& e0 n6 E% N- [8 t7 X8 d我只不過微小的基督徒...................* B+ A0 q/ ~, V" G: k/ w8 G
真的!!這不是反話$ c9 m* S* v4 c+ U0 e
因為我是情感比理性強的人; q, ~2 `/ _+ r7 d9 E" u
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 F# }% X/ m) Z) F: ~4 R! ?
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 I5 [3 \7 x" M" s: R0 r在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
9 ]( ]2 j0 F$ o3 V: E# B建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?4 g3 ?0 v& T4 c1 m. y: t

( C* S8 V+ q! M& l" N0 m" Z( YJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo6 b& J3 I2 a  T$ p
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 A" H( J+ k* o
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"( B% p- A! Z: W1 }7 B
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. a. N& T2 ?% \9 s  Ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......3 \9 W6 Y/ e* e4 w9 p* p
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
3 I' i! y! J5 \, e# c6 d只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 T% Q( c5 I( m& h# K$ L
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) p# k6 N# Q: }. W7 X( |! V
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
( |" F8 G; f: {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. v+ ?) m+ y1 _" P
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 |7 k+ r) t9 g# S4 k6 ]! R) f$ _

' D* r3 i7 O  c( I! i導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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4 O+ c7 S, I  b5 Q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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# G, j$ a% {* o" O, _) K4 u吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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7 W" A. S& n. r% N以下是其他人的見解,  X9 f& Q( \, T( s6 S8 i
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 N0 M' s) W6 d" X

, J9 p$ q/ ]- v* G- }. z: b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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" i, m4 ~) t# S* {+ Z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ z! W: w! e- n: L8 y  l
.............信耶穌... ...

4 j/ F/ w% i: d1 T8 G( B2 D) Y. IRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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2 W- O1 B# o7 L( m2 KYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.