Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- Y0 \, n5 f6 u5 K我係一個連自己都吳信的人
8 s8 L6 b0 L$ c5 A又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- s# K& y9 n4 _1 {3 ?- g4 D道理我知道好多只係做吳到
0 p( |% Z9 `6 z呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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0 ?; U* s' i5 e  a/ m* g5 D# w3 u: ^7 Bmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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5 R! I5 y8 b3 @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 _  a$ {( e8 g& N7 d8 H2 X
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  h/ E1 t+ g( }: u7 W
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 q3 G1 k) s& Z: P  c  G
真的!!這不是反話5 S, }3 K& y+ m* _0 J
因為我是情感比理性強的人9 [) X$ D4 o2 T; N6 _
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ x7 \% \& q- V
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! f8 \) ?6 t* a# D3 z, C! Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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4 }3 T2 T+ Z+ N' QJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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( ?# S- G: O8 }' A; @I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:) f! A% P5 w* U# Y, R" n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"! k/ _% H  u) u# @
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% f$ b" f3 u" Y1 e( U/ i# ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
5 Q- I3 U! b4 k8 Psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 ]) D; K1 i" c4 ]
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": {" G0 h0 |9 p& j9 h) c4 J
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 x0 i: W: A) {- y+ }1 x  ?- E用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 c3 W& w) w9 a- H  i3 x# }- e4 N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% C( i8 ^: S, l8 T  @: V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, q) T5 X! P) y3 j0 x. q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( C( A$ _. N6 N" B: j
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 h- t# J7 z, X$ ^. u) N# q& `

) s/ i/ u9 y; Z: Z) B一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 I: E& K6 z" B4 i/ b1 m/ p( P, B

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ c% C8 |. I2 a; I, `0 j2 x
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以下是其他人的見解,- [8 [# t( R% x5 m1 S
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& L3 d8 a; D+ j% d1 i* S; z2 S
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ ~2 }: s  A& B0 F1 f

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; P4 x& i, J7 b! B1 m& ^6 X1 K不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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5 Z5 k* r- \/ y1 v; I同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. v* a0 i) A  z: x6 v4 {4 g.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....+ o2 j9 H- V* ]+ f' E' C

" B6 k9 a1 D. I" m3 K7 |7 Y$ J7 \Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* b4 H/ V" d% v8 v/ tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.