Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ k- B2 }) K' ?0 G  X' s  q0 G" u我係一個連自己都吳信的人
$ J5 Y7 r8 n( X- c  W% @8 k又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 L- B/ t. N. p$ x* d4 z! B! ?
道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 ^, y! v- [: D2 I  a0 k
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 W5 E8 N& e; l( J/ I2 J6 {1 K$ c

  n# {2 N' F! l# P3 `+ vNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 u; W! w4 Q" c

6 g+ Q: Q  ?4 X) o& I5 `  cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 B  X& e$ g" t- }+ R
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 p% Z- }% N8 y/ D8 _0 H% vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
& r9 B4 G. J( |6 C. {我只不過微小的基督徒...................
8 B6 y: w* h6 o8 ^# A* Y3 {8 T真的!!這不是反話' b) c, P0 x) {. H" V
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 f7 Q; O# o. m) Q2 f! g
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 b3 P3 j$ y3 s7 A# D9 g/ e在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...9 d2 Q4 [' k4 S. T/ I, g$ z) j
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" _) g& h5 c4 |& D  z% K8 P
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?8 q0 a& i* i/ b5 w& n* }+ _% Y
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * s9 o5 t. [5 h! H$ _9 J: Q

, E8 S$ j8 [5 t) uI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# r. f. b% |7 A$ W
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. d+ ~& c& ~* s6 g
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
* h- a) f$ F$ X8 Y( ?2 p, X3 AYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* \' R+ T4 ?+ r/ W+ `. l# cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 d: Y& x/ p( `# x9 b5 `
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it's starting because we have sins......( g0 ?) u' O9 [+ d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
5 ]7 h1 C9 k1 z1 A; ]our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 |; `5 ]. e$ ]% u, P7 W只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 U& o  w) O* \/ p+ g
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,( O: a7 I. T9 R& G" q- A% J
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全& z& H/ j3 j3 W  c- m) \& ~" {6 f
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 x, w, B, `! G而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; ]$ W4 `$ v# V# P; Y* v' M

9 O. O3 O& S! @) q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# r/ W, U& U3 z* v6 e; J1 s好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,) y4 B5 Q0 u7 X6 }( M8 O" D
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 @+ k" a* f& I3 J2 B/ c; J
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 s) e# G- f" @  ?! W. t) f+ f
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 l/ C! |# f) H0 [: n7 J
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
* o" ^  E: k5 G+ O% K/ V9 C3 E信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! A  D5 m. H: W5 \
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以下是其他人的見解,
  f+ ?" ^, d  k& V* @+ T看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. @  T# S6 B; h- `3 R- }) ?  v' R

+ a; w0 _7 S( i) `信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!1 u: z# n  H+ l5 B% d$ [9 d) a
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!( O2 |7 a8 h: a6 U( m; J5 ^  Y8 m

8 Q3 j0 k! U, K( E# R- L同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ i/ ]) z/ Q" _: v4 e. k2 K
.............信耶穌... ...

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7 w/ Y+ P/ A+ R) t. O! X8 c/ Y8 ZYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.