Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& O% ~9 X5 x2 k; e; X我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 M. C: f- `. ~
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' h/ l% M* Q9 r  p  s. m! a6 q' C道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% u$ V3 T# B8 G1 \- y0 F  X呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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5 U; R4 @+ j. a7 K6 ], ^4 R% N3 A: SNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....! {. a* z3 M6 P
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 ?7 K& E. C4 C" ?我只不過微小的基督徒...................: R- o6 }- {. w; H
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* t( O; U$ W% g, G6 F以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  y1 s- ?' s7 f3 h( G
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
0 `5 R' K" Q$ K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 a- l1 w9 `7 v' l1 ~  A% l

4 l9 s3 c' s; n8 U' GLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# S5 a* R  n; q5 u/ m8 q4 v! B
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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6 |8 e7 o- c5 g5 v6 X"不信也沒損失"
0 d( L. A! F% \6 v8 mYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., X' E, B4 `6 t3 B3 ?3 b
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ y7 |/ g8 R6 J1 d

( w8 v# R+ k& h9 }0 mit's starting because we have sins......
; A/ n# }6 m, D) Q! csatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
0 }0 i) c" R) n5 G! u4 a8 Eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
0 `- Z7 b5 |2 _( u8 ^只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ g' D" ~! X, f' z/ K用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* S- J; p+ _7 F  m這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ `5 o! Q! E! r0 H& `
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! \: `6 p8 ^* j& k1 ]/ }4 b  L而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! t8 C) G* ?4 J# N: d* {- o0 ^) ]

& j9 K" u" ?+ o: D9 k' P% d導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 M  |' X: l, l% G4 H! d7 e好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,+ Q, @: T8 h# v

( j* c2 ~- H7 R: v一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
( s1 l- H4 J3 `7 [5 {$ t5 B改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 Y: Z: i; Y$ u/ N; ?* H: q# M美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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" N' @. C- t( i7 T4 P: M) |吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
8 t- W/ s0 [) Y5 _+ L信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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0 q8 V! N0 E: ~8 S+ N4 |以下是其他人的見解,: _# C" D! D% N1 `
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 d7 K' @0 {% z8 h
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!: n# h( \% v( {$ j

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% j) Z+ T: @3 n, n+ }我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 Y. s( Q% ?0 d- D% W.............信耶穌... ...

& m: z; r. u) c6 o6 i! I1 M3 N- G2 {Regarding the resurrection....
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  B0 E. _# ]) B+ Z  @. j; m! pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.