Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- o" n) V+ e: j
我係一個連自己都吳信的人# f! n$ }5 [2 C( u/ ]
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
7 g/ k( V- u4 l- _, d9 F道理我知道好多只係做吳到, {+ ?' d$ t2 j) R0 \( h
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. V: K3 ^+ }9 `" b4 I# B1 h0 t

* z) U. O9 _5 y: Z+ aNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....* I' t/ w+ `" E6 h0 ?* l! v

4 S& C- `1 U' F% J: ]6 [! v1 i3 smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; l, @" H# g  ^, M! F7 w

( }2 \; `3 T4 R$ h' [' o9 X6 zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 `' p+ V, o" {9 q& Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 H3 R. Z: \* V
我只不過微小的基督徒...................! o2 @7 u9 f9 q6 k; g% W' _
真的!!這不是反話9 `: g5 X) Y" L, V5 j
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: [' |- _+ m( H$ c( Q; O
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  M" e9 N/ S: K  u3 q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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4 |4 }, v( I0 l" F4 Y+ [  IWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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) u4 b+ Z# }/ @$ i* J7 ^I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 r$ m$ x8 W) g8 W; x
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
% f$ W5 S7 t- N. B" j6 _建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 n* x5 g  S  m& ?  c"不信也沒損失"
" z# B) c5 M: Q* |' AYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....2 q& c. Y! V  {: p% `& |8 R9 d
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......% A! |) ]5 J, \
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
) {% g3 Y8 D/ i' J& Dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% d, E! A2 O' y; Z# B
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ O' Q1 `- v  |& {3 R用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 w$ M( s" X' g9 A$ K- z, s這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* F: a1 Y/ O! n: l
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ \$ U( B, m5 N$ w
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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: A. r' m4 D3 a$ [導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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- X; Y. v: X7 w+ ~0 b7 b一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: i  a4 d$ C( e! X# s6 L

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 {+ s; ~: G6 W) _4 ?! m
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ z# O+ r% E5 c+ {- W6 {. I
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' z  p$ R8 ^# B$ `
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ l% O$ `& o4 k4 F9 U

+ a, g3 Y7 C) P3 e3 T- Q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 Y$ [6 r) Q( s& {$ {! R* Y) [
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:- ^# _' p  b' z# c
.............信耶穌... ...

9 ~% P  W1 d. N, S: PRegarding the resurrection....9 @4 p. K: {! _
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.