Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! J5 ]( R! h" e
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 Y, D1 w2 E2 N5 N4 U$ M) P
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- ]! \. W- u" @  b/ A道理我知道好多只係做吳到; i7 W  h7 K- }1 s2 R! f, w
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 g/ O0 G( v: ^Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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$ Y/ |$ t2 V3 T) ~8 Dmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....) n% |2 C( r/ B2 |/ Y+ j' T
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- S5 w+ }% @/ M' e
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' O) k$ }, e$ K1 [5 }9 J我只不過微小的基督徒...................( r4 e( \9 F! F1 x3 d" t) U3 o4 {" O
真的!!這不是反話/ W6 U2 ~' ^; f8 a$ _+ q. d
因為我是情感比理性強的人( v, }$ `, ^- O" r2 r
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ U5 `) e  K6 R; k3 n5 c以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" D" w6 S  }$ x* p7 j4 D/ F在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- U% K* ^  c' y5 p; Z! U  U' y5 x
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
$ B0 D: \6 X* `  W建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! V  X" F) |, [. k# h$ K% `

( t9 t4 D5 D( ~' i( }$ H7 u( t1 ~' I* @Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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+ y: [0 m0 d" i+ @: L4 y; e) }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ ~2 ~) v8 B  h3 t

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
& Q! {& O  ]3 j# L( F建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
+ F: c/ s0 u7 y, e) `Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 \# J/ H5 B; a) j2 [5 Y0 Q& lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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' z/ ]/ w7 O$ U. Z; l# f# qit's starting because we have sins......
$ ]7 v" _7 L) V' N, O8 hsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us " P2 F# l! P: \9 V: S/ k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
& \# R9 S9 u' j8 y: [只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
  V& I! H. i0 I' ^7 [( d用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" t% g2 v4 [0 W) j% l+ S+ A, D這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ O" e- g9 _6 C  ?# D7 h- _如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 c2 ]& e- U" E" a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) r7 u8 V3 q' m% P導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ F# r7 ^0 K& \+ K0 A好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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7 j, M3 J* X& e4 I' z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* K" y9 I8 M+ _
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" A. V1 [, V$ s  H5 Y6 _+ V
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具- M4 O( \3 l' L: B7 D
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
0 Q" u+ G* x: ?& C0 ^' s信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" E2 i. N+ o6 g( f, u% D

6 K/ a& u6 J+ v# X% G以下是其他人的見解,
( Y6 X: K- |+ ?  q0 ~6 l& g+ [看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, \! r) Y  M- S2 [
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............: h: _* g8 ~1 K, M: Y" o# n

+ @" N0 k# K6 L1 O& D信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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9 R8 I& x, h! [0 `我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  S$ o, z$ X; f4 c3 ^7 P
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:0 T5 o9 ?' A# Q$ L
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....3 A3 n  f: G' C& q% [6 U

& j) u2 f9 E- E% t/ V/ FActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 G/ ~4 [  U9 i

: c* F9 t, N& i, ^; ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.