Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 l( S# K9 i4 I8 @  `! b! ?" {/ x我係一個連自己都吳信的人
) j; a5 M. Z& B  S又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
1 h# \3 h; O, r4 g8 [4 k3 ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 f  |, @% W* X: F$ [
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  X3 T* J* S4 H! Y. J* O6 R5 k0 |+ \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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) W" s, e3 ?2 [! J3 n/ Sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....2 |" R1 `" J$ ?5 M, v, ?
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 S1 n& p& ?+ _! Y) @
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
, q7 i5 z: n4 Y. m' W真的!!這不是反話
1 F- Q/ Y& ]: V因為我是情感比理性強的人  F5 R$ Q4 w. A  j% p
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ M- {% \$ p2 \  x0 c( {) u
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
  l3 ]8 K) r2 }! y$ q& o在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 ^5 `& b  o7 A( s& W
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' [2 c) M! d4 f5 v+ ?' z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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' q4 i: {$ E: O" nJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: e% h" m! d9 ^0 q+ }+ E, p# l5 S' s

( X0 u/ p( w2 J4 sLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:! |. P& q5 }5 {! A( h# s) ]5 e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 \. q4 s8 p5 Y/ |  X7 x, j/ `' Z"不信也沒損失"
) O$ x) r( b+ ~" F; q9 WYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
* ]% c* W. [) c0 |5 `/ o; ~* i3 ]# Rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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1 s& _) k5 a& u# o+ I$ a5 Oit's starting because we have sins......  I& q- z( k/ G# v$ t7 S+ f
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   v! ?3 V6 |- I
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( x- `7 J. d* x/ D5 e% X  b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 g0 l; ?+ F) Q8 I$ \2 K
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. b9 `. a9 p  v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~4 O+ v7 D) V2 a

! M7 D- I! x! g導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
2 s1 i* |/ r$ e2 s+ y: q0 e好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," m% P# {4 h/ V) r& q
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 L! a) F6 G' }9 q9 R美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.../ a( J% g( T7 t; ?' c5 o4 N# w
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具) x7 T+ V! N5 W* Z8 G' |# s! A6 n
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- D/ Q; t1 g3 t! C信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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* J0 ~* G6 t* Y以下是其他人的見解,
' h: r/ w) V( `6 {  o4 A看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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6 D! s4 I7 ^0 a0 H: T1 I2 c不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 g9 g2 J" t/ x: I$ e
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 M0 g; c5 u$ L1 E

6 y; ?( \9 n$ E. b3 M同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: [  M" R- e8 T8 C$ v
.............信耶穌... ...

3 Y. e$ c' a  G1 q3 TRegarding the resurrection....0 I* R/ A* ~+ q% W( ?7 V

( R& R# D3 [) Y" M8 r$ y9 uActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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; V5 M3 |6 a7 h6 ~9 q) K  v5 ]You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.