Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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  l# N: c/ b" V: u* j" @又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) I/ n! @  K% ~0 c8 g道理我知道好多只係做吳到# v4 E$ {/ X& C9 D- ^
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' T0 e, {" b* h: f# nNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, y% s- X" `. d! H/ c+ x  S" ?
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...." d3 B/ `4 |! E" e( Y
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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2 b+ f* i+ [1 {% f$ sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
1 p& [. K  i# N1 Z$ fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  |' A/ s3 G* M# O% W! V
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* W4 [& A$ z) M; T
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: ?7 O. t8 l5 a2 P在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) z1 g7 O+ m# H! ?建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* G+ i' x) e6 \$ @$ F' t: T3 O8 kWhat a statement we have here?9 t5 O1 d1 {$ G  l* G6 f  u
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 5 B# \  P$ R: p# t2 k4 Y4 ]4 p  P

# G6 @) _* `+ P' A; g- s" k3 i# OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:- q2 N$ Y) {2 w# A+ n; R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
) |, E9 L" h- u; ?0 ?! Q, k, rYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....  n( a! M4 [) O. k9 b9 ~" x
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., H& H3 v$ x. o( u
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it's starting because we have sins......
2 V- s% a7 `4 f9 ~, {8 @3 o4 Csatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 ~% I8 o0 I( @" w9 dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"! t+ |0 |* M9 H- c" @0 s# n% U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- j% U& y) `$ }5 Q& j4 e8 W" ?1 ?
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,% _9 g/ W/ f7 y/ s
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ c* V1 [: C0 e' e+ D' u+ m2 e如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% s4 n0 Y# N# {4 r: O4 ~
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 C4 U! K# q* _" ?導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
6 h( S# n! V9 L- Y1 b8 i好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& B. \. ^2 A- H  g& i5 A

9 f* h" K' y3 k# B8 D5 x一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 N* X" E) T* G9 E
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
: h% c% C- }  o) P7 y9 K2 }美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 @. ^( r# }3 O" [2 O' S& m4 g
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 t2 n7 Y% o/ w2 s* Y" Y
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以下是其他人的見解,
9 @, f) W) b4 V# O4 h看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, }5 n. i$ O7 o+ V; @' C
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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: U: R# i- @' y1 [2 J; b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& g# I$ L  s- ]; s4 g* x! n* o$ ?

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....% b! f. {1 _& C3 y# ^  e; s

4 c, D$ S; E$ a4 |Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 |. t  ]/ O6 e! t$ r; [

! q+ h. }/ f; v! M5 p3 p( r, VYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.