Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) ]. i& T* N) C' y4 n我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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8 E" O+ D7 A4 Z道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% s! A* Q( J( v) z& Z呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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4 D& `, k) z6 w$ G' g# W% q- ~Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ S5 W$ m2 w4 o8 X
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
3 r; Y* P  O: O7 U+ Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! N* f, T& ?9 i$ N以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,; J# n! C, f+ l
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 {7 ^4 i$ r9 V+ D( c8 u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?* S0 K4 V' R% Y; E! J. E, E
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?   u7 T1 J( W; S

0 K% a# F2 k) ~* O* J$ ]I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo0 z9 t$ g* q% D7 `& J
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
$ e2 @9 w5 W; w; K4 m  D: @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  F+ l" Y* I1 ~, w# F$ e2 p1 a7 EYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. {2 ~. p$ [1 J0 W  abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( B+ r! s9 j- F4 L  T3 Q

* n7 h) t  z% u2 E, @2 v: M2 ?$ Dit's starting because we have sins......
$ h0 P" Q! e" m3 m* B# ^  ysatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 8 m2 u4 g; A3 j3 b* s
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
% F5 F$ I% ^. p* }只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
6 q# J1 r# y5 t5 _) W0 g用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& b0 }5 f  A' ~! e% V- h
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
0 o3 D$ a6 h+ Y! x如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* W& J; E4 _* n0 X1 m5 ]
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& O1 G  ^4 g3 X" @. E好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,4 W) B! Z9 W, I0 K7 K8 E

4 O5 j$ D2 V* r# t5 z/ r% E  ~6 s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 Q& m( b8 m9 N& H+ B
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ K; W* n1 l$ T7 ~- ]! O* d3 u2 F
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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" V" [+ Y3 e8 A宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& d4 A; K7 m5 ?$ g+ |% r' T7 ?
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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$ y  d/ o' a* R; e$ p  f2 L) c  X以下是其他人的見解,# {5 C9 ]! x6 Y" w  ~: P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ c2 W( d, I+ m% z6 q& y/ l
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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* ?0 m0 X# U4 K信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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% U  @6 n( y, V0 \不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( U4 {7 G8 l- c; A( r% O
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: Q) Z. ?" _. l! [

8 ]- L$ I8 M4 v7 K! w! Z) O) X3 gYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.